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Old 08-31-2010, 12:51 AM   #1
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Default Are insurgents too conventional?

Are insurgents too conventional when compared to conventional factions ingame? I am thinking most specifically of Iraqi Insurgents. What do you all think?

They lack scopes, kits with ammo, armored vehicles, and aircraft but still feel conventional to me.

Am I the only one who feels this way? Does anyone think things should be changed? Is there a better way to represent insurgency or is the current system a good representation?

I also know that this has been suggested before, but each new version changes the dynamics of how each faction plays, so I think it is still appropriate to discuss this in the current version as well.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:57 AM   #2
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Default Re: Are insurgents too conventional?

It is impossible to represent a proper insurgency without supply lines and a huge amount of civilians, in addition to a working society. Alas, that is impossible on the BF2 engine and I don't think any other engine could handle that either.

They are conventional because they are 24/7 fighters in BF2, when IRL Insurgents are regular citizens. Joe Civilian by day, Insurgent by night if you will.

By all means, if you have any suggestions on how to make the Insurgents more lifelike then the PR team are open to them.
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Old 08-31-2010, 01:58 AM   #3
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Oh, I have plenty of ideas, but I want to know if a change is considered necessary. Also, I'm curious what problems people have with insurgency, particularly Iraqi insurgents.

I appreciate your post, and take by it that you feel them to be fairly conventional due to engine limitations but that it is not an extreme problem.
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Old 08-31-2010, 02:17 AM   #4
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Its not an extreme problem, but their assets and the balance of their maps is the problem. example
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Old 08-31-2010, 05:20 AM   #5
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Default Re: Are insurgents too conventional?

I'm going to hop in here and say;
All war games portray soldiers DURING combat. I think there's way too much combat ingame proportional to what would be realistic. In reality, a deployment to Afghanistan is sitting around, driving around, walking around for the vast majority of the time. A soldier going over would probably get in a coupla firefights their entire 6 mo deployment. The vast majority of "combat" over there, is taking a dozen sniper (sniper means guy with AK who's pretty good with it) hits off the wall, the entire contingent rushing to the wall, and firing off $5000 worth of ammo at nothing in particular. Or driving around hoping not to explode.

You want a portrayal of average military life, get the Sims, have your Sim enter the military career. That's what the vast majority of 1st world militaries do. Not very much, the vast majority of the time.
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Old 08-31-2010, 05:54 AM   #6
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You want a portrayal of average military life, get the Sims, have your Sim enter the military career.
Now, that made my day. ^^

Although I'm not entirely happy with all the BLUFOR kits laying around in insurgency, it basically means after first BLUFOR assault game changes from guys with AKs vs guys with scoped m4s to guys with m4s vs guys with m4s.
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Old 08-31-2010, 09:22 AM   #7
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You want a portrayal of average military life, get the Sims, have your Sim enter the military career. That's what the vast majority of 1st world militaries do. Not very much, the vast majority of the time.
Lol I have a confession to make.

I DO make my Sims join the military career, and I simulate their deployments by playing Project Reality. LOL.

So if I die in Project Reality, I either delete or kill the military sims that died in Project Reality.

The other day, one of my sims, Cale, he died from a truck bomb in Fallujah West.

His wife is now a widow and a single mother of two.

LOL. It makes video games REALLY fun if you integrate different games with each other.

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Old 08-31-2010, 09:32 AM   #8
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Default Re: Are insurgents too conventional?

^ WOW!

That's some creative gaming you've got going on, mate.

On topic. My main issue with insurgents/taliban is the fact that an AK wielding maniac can transform into a fully trained SAW gunner capable of hitting point targets out to 600m simply by pressing "g". It really kills the immersion of "Insurgency" when you take your squad into a cache area and start getting shot at by 2-3 SAW's.

"Clear the battlefield and let me see, All the profit from our victory." - Greg Lake
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Old 08-31-2010, 09:50 AM   #9
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^ WOW!

That's some creative gaming you've got going on, mate.

On topic. My main issue with insurgents/taliban is the fact that an AK wielding maniac can transform into a fully trained SAW gunner capable of hitting point targets out to 600m simply by pressing "g". It really kills the immersion of "Insurgency" when you take your squad into a cache area and start getting shot at by 2-3 SAW's.
But thats also kinda.. realistic, why wouldnt insurgents pick up enemy kits? Too bad you cant make em reload coalition weps allot slower.. and im one of those guys sticking with my AK till end, atleast on taliban, they've got a kit with AK47, 4 nades, ammo bag and two nade traps!!!11

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Old 08-31-2010, 10:22 AM   #10
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But thats also kinda.. realistic, why wouldnt insurgents pick up enemy kits? Too bad you cant make em reload coalition weps allot slower.. and im one of those guys sticking with my AK till end, atleast on taliban, they've got a kit with AK47, 4 nades, ammo bag and two nade traps!!!11
nah, i'd stick with my trusty buckshot over most unspecialised coalition kits, obviously i would take a sniper or perhaps an LMG but shotgun > m16 for sure
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