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Old 07-16-2010, 05:01 PM   #1
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The Government of Canada today announced it is acquiring the fifth generation Joint Strike Fighter F-35 Lightning II aircraft to contribute to the modernization of the Canadian Forces, while bringing significant economic benefits and opportunities to regions across Canada.

“The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is the best aircraft we can provide our men and women in uniform to face and defeat the challenges of the 21st century,” said the Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence. “This multi-role stealth fighter will help the Canadian Forces defend the sovereignty of Canadian airspace, remain a strong and reliable partner in the defence of North America, and provide Canada with an effective and modern capability for international operations.”

“A lengthy and intense competition was completed in 2001 for who would build the F-35,” said the Honourable Rona Ambrose, Minister of Public Works and Government Services and Minister for Status of Women. “Canadian companies and the Canadian government helped develop the F-35, and now we are exercising our option under the Joint Strike Fighter memorandum of understanding to acquire it.”

“Canadian participation in the Joint Strike Fighter program will bring high-value jobs and other economic benefits to our country,” said Jacques Gourde, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works and Government Services and to the Minister of National Revenue and Member of Parliament for Lotbinière-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière. “This government is delivering on our plan to strengthen Canada’s defence industry, leverage Canada’s competitive advantage and work with industry to help position Canadian companies for success in the global marketplace.”

The Government of Canada has committed approximately $9 billion to the acquisition of 65 F-35 aircraft and associated weapons, infrastructure, initial spares, training simulators, contingency funds and project operating costs. Delivery of the new aircraft is expected to start in 2016.

To date, Canada has invested approximately $168 million in the Joint Strike Fighter program. Since 2002, the Government’s participation in the program has led to more than $350 million in contracts for more than 85 Canadian companies, research laboratories, and universities – a clear demonstration of the significant benefits this program has for Canada.

“The Joint Strike Fighter program allows Canadian companies to build on existing strengths and establish strategic capabilities,” said the Honourable Tony Clement, Minister of Industry. “Canadian companies will have direct involvement in the design of equipment in the short term, while also setting in motion opportunities for decades to come.”

The Canada First Defence Strategy identifies Canada’s need for a next generation fighter aircraft to protect the safety and security of Canadians, while supporting foreign policy and national security objectives. The acquisition of the F-35 helps the Canadian Forces defend against the threats of the 21st century at home, across vast distances and in harsh environmental conditions, and abroad.

The F-35 Lightning II has been developed by Lockheed Martin and partners through the Joint Strike Fighter program, a multinational effort to build and sustain an affordable, multi-role, next generation stealth fighter aircraft. Canada, the United States, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Italy, Turkey, Denmark, Norway, and Australia are all partners in the program.

As a partner in the Joint Strike Fighter program since 1997, Canada participated in the extensive and rigorous U.S.-led competitive process, which led to the selection of Lockheed Martin and its partners as the Joint Strike Fighter manufacturer in 2001.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:48 PM   #2
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You don't get much for $9 billion anymore, do you?

Glad to see Canada is getting a fair amount of money spent in their own country from the program, I'd assumed it was much less



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Old 07-17-2010, 12:56 PM   #3
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Now comes the time when the parties not in power bitch and complain.


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Old 07-17-2010, 01:03 PM   #4
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Yeah especially the quebec's parties since the are against everything that concerned war
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Old 07-17-2010, 01:27 PM   #5
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Now comes the time when the parties not in power bitch and complain.


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I think Canada's Minister of Defence there put up quite a good argument, just that news reporter (like most news reporters) dont get the message and constantly ask the same questions over and over like he never answered the question....

Thou he could have done a better job by going into detail as to where the EF2000, the Raffle, the CF-18 etc couldn't meet there requirements as well as the JSF. If they where purchasing the F-22 then they can raise a few eyebrows but the F-35 is a very good all round aircraft

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Old 07-17-2010, 02:06 PM   #6
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In the defense of the plaintifs, Canada is small.

Canada is about one tenth the size of America, and has an even smaller market share. 9 billion dollars is roughly comparable as a burden on the taxpayers as a 100 billion dollars investement is to the US taxpayer.

Further, the question the reporter was trying to move further: WHY does Canada need a 5th Generation fighter? What are "the coming threat challenges"? What threats is canada going to be facing that will require stealth fighters? We no longer live in a Cold War scenario, so the entire arctic defense and NORAD are (or should at least be held as) for all-intents-and-purposes obsolete. Is our future plan going to include the invasion of a well defended country? Or is this a way to "keep up with the Jones'" while buying our products from our products from those very same neighboors?

If a 5th generation fighter IS absolutely necessary, why this one? We certainly don't have any need to strengthen our political ties with the US, we already have well above two thirds of our economy invested in them. Instead, why has no attention been payed to planes like the Pak-Fa, or as the reporter has said, even stepping back within our actual military needs and trying for the Eurofighter? Our international ties would surely stengthen with that outward thinking.

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Old 07-17-2010, 02:33 PM   #7
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Ye thous points are good McBum (who or why have you changed you name? ) but you do need to consider that Canada is next door neighbours with one of the most hated countries in the world and any attack on America in any shape or form will most likley have an impact on Canada and as such Canada dose need to be ready to defend both itself, and America from the threat of invasion. Say if Canada did just go for a weak military position then that would leave an open back door for attackers to attack strait though to get to America, aka, what happened in WW2 when the Germans went though neutral Belgium (which has a very small military force at that time) to get round France's defences.

The Pak-Fa is probably the only other realistic option other than the JSF since the EF2000 I dont think would do too well in the extreme cold climates, might be wrong here thou. The Pak-Fa thou being so classified you wouldn't have any idea what you where buying and not sure if Russia would even allow Canada to purchase such a fighter off of them in the first place? Not to mention that having the same kit as your fellow allies dose help a lot when it comes down to logistics and general integration of kit etc. Also price wise they aint that different. 65 F-35s for 9 billion comes at at around 138 million for each jet, where the Pak-Fa is "estimated" at around 100 million, which is bound to get much larger before it comes into service and could possibly overtake the cost of the F-35. Also keep in mind the F-35 in real terms is much further in development than the Park-Fa, since its first prototype flight was around 2001 and the first prototype flight of the Pak-Fa was January of this Year, almost a dedicated difference. Although the Pak-Fa is meant to come into service in 2013 according to wiki (which I dont believe), if it dose then the amount of testing and development etc that its going to go though will be a tiny fraction compared to what the F-35 would have had which to mean sounds big alarm bells in terms of how good the final product is really going to be?

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Old 07-17-2010, 03:34 PM   #8
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Why this fighter?

Stealth. No other fighter available to Canada has this capability and its about to hit world airforces in a big way, with JSF and Raptorski becoming available in the next decade or two. That alone blows everything else out of the water - without F-22 being available this is the best option available.

If not buying stealth, for some bizzare reason (like being locked into a contract to buy hundreds of an aircraft that was obselete before it got to the production line), Canada would be best off choosing one of the newer F-15E variants (Like the F-15K, or the F-15SE, but that isn't available yet) which has the advantage of using NATO munitions without modification or one of the newer Flanker derivatives. Both have superior range and at worst comparible combat performance with the Eurofighter. Alternativly, there is the Gripen, which both capable and cheap. It also has excellent deployability credentials owing to its design calling for it to operate from dispursed airfields (or, indeed, public roads with military stores located nearby), so it has a smaller logistics footprint than most other fighters - a worthwhile consideration if Canada is going to be engaged in expeditionary operations in the future. And, of course, theres the old standby for US allies - the F-16. The old Falcon certainly still has some life in it yet, particularly with the latest upgrades.

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Old 07-17-2010, 04:35 PM   #9
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or one of the newer Flanker derivatives.
Think there's a chance? Maple Leaves on the wings of a Flanker spin-off would look very interesting.

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Old 07-17-2010, 07:28 PM   #10
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Think there's a chance? Maple Leaves on the wings of a Flanker spin-off would look very interesting.
Very unlikley. For a start they'd have to rejig all the hardpoints and fire control systems to work with NATO armaments, but it could be done. The latest flanker variations are some of the best non-stealth aircraft available today, but buying Russian seems very unlikley.

As I say, I would buy F-35. Not buying stealth when you can doesn't make a whole lot of sense right now. If not F-35, F-15 or Su-30/35. In an ideal world. Well, presuming they're buying the A or C version, not the POS B that the RAF & RN are getting. The only major issue with the A/C version is that its basically a stealthy F-16 and the F-16 is exactly what the Flanker (and its derivatives) is designed to kill.

Then again, if the Russians can get that plasma stealth doobry to work properly...

But at least they're not buying Super Lawndarts.

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