Corps chooses H&K to make SAW replacement

gazzthompson · 12-06-2009, 08:11 PM

Corps chooses H&K to make SAW replacement - Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times

Priby · 12-06-2009, 09:03 PM

Are there any other reasons why they requested a new SAW apart from the weight and closed-bolt?

Edit: Or like Zrix said, whats so special about it? It looks like a normal HK417.

Zrix · 12-06-2009, 09:09 PM

They replace an LMG with a high ROF and large ammo capacity with a 30 round 5.56 AR. Why not just hand the guy an M16/M4 like the rest of the squad?

Edit; mkay, googling about a little it apparently has a longer and more heavy duty barrel, and uses open bolt. But still?

Ironcomatose · 12-06-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Priby

Are there any other reasons why they requested a new SAW apart from the weight and closed-bolt?

Because its a complicated piece of old shit that keeps jamming every chance it gets. Honestly had they given us some new and improved SAWs we would have been happy but a new weapon will make us just as happy. Weight and age(wear and tear) is probably the biggest two issues. We have been hearing about this for some time now and im glad you brought the decision to my attention, the rest of the guys would love to hear this.

Bob_Marley · 12-06-2009, 09:25 PM

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Are there any other reasons why they requested a new SAW apart from the weight and closed-bolt?

Because they think that they're too clever to fall into the problems that weapons like the L86 and RPK-74 run into when the troops using them realise they're not that much use then start raiding armouries for GPMGs

DankE_SPB · 12-06-2009, 09:30 PM

was going to post about same as bob, isnt it something like RPK-74M with rails and mag, which has less capacity and seems like less barrel length than RPK? while i read lots of complaints about it and that squad leaders will take PKM/PKP over RPK into squad anyday

Falkun · 12-06-2009, 10:10 PM

High-capacity magazine may signal demise of SAW - MarineCorpsTimes.com

A high-capacity magazine is in development as well, so that should alleviate that problem.

Harrod200 · 12-07-2009, 04:04 AM

S-Mags have been around for a fair while, but from what I've seen have always been somewhat unreliable (either the mag itself or the weight of it damaging/straining the rifle it's mounted on), wonder how FN and Armatac are getting around this problem.

Also wonder if the adoption of the 416-based rifle could indicate a potential leaning for the Marines to adopt one as their main rifle in the near-mid future, it'd certainly help out logistically if all models were of the same family (though the G36 did kinda try that with all the variants inc. MG36, which didn't work out perfectly).

Gaz · 12-07-2009, 05:04 AM

Oh god. It's the USMC's LSW

It'll be the bastard child that no one wants.

Expendable Grunt · 12-07-2009, 05:34 AM

Everytime the military does something stupid, we take a shot.

We'll all be dead by morning.

M.

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Priby Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,344 Korea (North)	Re: Corps chooses H&K to make SAW replacement Are there any other reasons why they requested a new SAW apart from the weight and closed-bolt? Edit: Or like Zrix said, whats so special about it? It looks like a normal HK417.
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Zrix Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,385 Sweden	Re: Corps chooses H&K to make SAW replacement They replace an LMG with a high ROF and large ammo capacity with a 30 round 5.56 AR. Why not just hand the guy an M16/M4 like the rest of the squad? Edit; mkay, googling about a little it apparently has a longer and more heavy duty barrel, and uses open bolt. But still?
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DankE_SPB Retired PR Developer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,668 Russian Federation Location: Teh Bearland Blog Entries: 1	Re: Corps chooses H&K to make SAW replacement was going to post about same as bob, isnt it something like RPK-74M with rails and mag, which has less capacity and seems like less barrel length than RPK? while i read lots of complaints about it and that squad leaders will take PKM/PKP over RPK into squad anyday
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Falkun Retired PR Developer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,204 United States of America	Re: Corps chooses H&K to make SAW replacement High-capacity magazine may signal demise of SAW - MarineCorpsTimes.com A high-capacity magazine is in development as well, so that should alleviate that problem.

12-07-2009, 04:04 AM	#8
Harrod200 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,061 United Kingdom Location: Blighty	Re: Corps chooses H&K to make SAW replacement S-Mags have been around for a fair while, but from what I've seen have always been somewhat unreliable (either the mag itself or the weight of it damaging/straining the rifle it's mounted on), wonder how FN and Armatac are getting around this problem. Also wonder if the adoption of the 416-based rifle could indicate a potential leaning for the Marines to adopt one as their main rifle in the near-mid future, it'd certainly help out logistically if all models were of the same family (though the G36 did kinda try that with all the variants inc. MG36, which didn't work out perfectly).
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