v1.4.15 Helicopter physics

[[R-DEV]rPoXoTauJIo]

Starting from 1.4.15, i've decided to start playing with helicopter physics.
Instead of full rework only chinook(no bias here hehe ) been updated to new variant for collecting feedback before updating rest of choppers.

Main point of change is heavily increased gravity and reduced wings force - helicopters will fall out of sky faster regardless of input.

This hold few purposes:

• Decreased dive effectiveness for CAS(in future). It will allow less time for cas being on target in dive.
• Decreased dive effectiveness for trans. During diving, helicopters will loose a lot more altitude than they gain speed from it. Flying straight will be most fastest way and most energy efficient.
• Decreased horizontal speed modifier - this change will allow helicopters save more energy in flight and they will stop a bit slower.
• Remove ability for helicopters to fly upside down in some cases.
• Remove python server-side check for helicopters being upside down.

[viirusiiseli]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]rPoXoTauJIo

tl;dr

You keep trying to make jets and helicopters realistic, and gameplay will continue to show you, it will not work for this game.

[[R-DEV]rPoXoTauJIo]

Originally Posted by viirusiiseli

tl;dr

In a no way this engine will allow me to make them fully realistic, i know it from jets edits, and gameplay > realism after all.

Speaking from gameplay wise, currently helicopters suffer a lot from lack of speed. Previous nerf back in time were caused by reducing horizontal speed modifier coupled with strong wings(those were done even earlier in pr time to simulate gravity on helicopters), as it's allowed to do stupid things like flying upsidedown while getting altitude. While nerfing railway-like flying which allowed to do so it's effectively reduced horizontal speed for helis aswell.

What's different in my approach is that i'm using gravity modifier for helicopters - those allows me to remove wings which been used for pushing down helicopters at speed, and get proper helicopters horizontal speed back without worrying about abusing upsidedown flights.

[[R-DEV]Psyrus]

If it makes the helicopters a bit more survivable in general, I'm all for it. Buffing AA is good and all but the careful pilots (those who work to avoid AA) shouldn't be sitting ducks with very slow and cumbersome flight models. I like the look of what you're doing

[[R-DEV]rPoXoTauJIo]

Some quick unrealistic edits

[anantdeathhawk]

Reminded me of this!
Close enough.

[Jagira]

Reminded me of this!

[DogACTUAL]

Like the effort you put into this. If it makes the flight model more authentic and closer to the real thing i am all for it. And of course helicopters have to be fast again.

But since diving is a legitimate thing with real helicopters, could you please make sure it will still be effective? Especially for light attack helicopters with unguided munitions that pretty much have to rely on diving to be effective.

One big criticism:

In your big effort to make flying upside down not possible, you snuck in some changes in recent updates. These changes went way overboard and led to many helicopters not being able to make a looping or hard evasive manouvers involving loopings.

When you do those normal manouvers that real helicopters can do and that are hardly comparable to flying upside down your helicopter gets damaged or disabled quite often now.
Helicopters should be able to do those manouvers without getting damaged or disabled because it is authentic and a useful tactic.

Can you please take a look at this and fix it?

[[R-DEV]UTurista]

Source that diving, doing barrel rolls and loops are a real tactic?

[[R-DEV]rPoXoTauJIo]

Originally Posted by DogACTUAL

Like the effort you put into this. If it makes the flight model more authentic and closer to the real thing i am all for it. And of course helicopters have to be fast again.

But since diving is a legitimate thing with real helicopters, could you please make sure it will still be effective? Especially for light attack helicopters with unguided munitions that pretty much have to rely on diving to be effective.

Nothing will change here except that helicopters will be faster and won't loose speed if pilots will try to abuse torque decrease as it's now.

Originally Posted by DogACTUAL

One big criticism:

In your big effort to make flying upside down not possible, you snuck in some changes in recent updates. These changes went way overboard and led to many helicopters not being able to make a looping or hard evasive manouvers involving loopings.

When you do those normal manouvers that real helicopters can do and that are hardly comparable to flying upside down your helicopter gets damaged or disabled quite often now.
Helicopters should be able to do those manouvers without getting damaged or disabled because it is authentic and a useful tactic.

Can you please take a look at this and fix it?

The whole point of new physics is to remove upside down check from server-side code, pleasing both server and pilots.