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Old 08-12-2011, 08:38 AM   #1
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China's first carrier starts sea trials - CNN.com
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China's first aircraft carrier sailed out of the northeastern port of Dalian for sea trials Wednesday morning, the state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

China has spent nearly a decade refurbishing the 67,000-ton, 300-meter (1,000-foot) ship, begun by the former Soviet Union but never completed.
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Old 08-12-2011, 09:49 AM   #2
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Turning it into a casino would have been way cooler.

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Old 08-12-2011, 09:54 AM   #3
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I never understood the big lip on the front of the deck.... Are chains and carrier propulsion systems outdated? Or are these just to server VTOL/ short take off aircraft?

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Old 08-12-2011, 11:05 AM   #4
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It's a refurbished Soviet ship?

China, I are disappoint.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:09 AM   #5
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I never understood the big lip on the front of the deck.... Are chains and carrier propulsion systems outdated? Or are these just to server VTOL/ short take off aircraft?
There's a ski ramp to launch aircraft. I don't understand the bit about chains and carrier propulsion systems.

I sense many accidents in this ship's future. It should win them all, since it's somewhat larger than any fighter aircraft.

They've had this thing for a while; it's not exactly easy to build your own carrier. It took us 40 years of development to get to something of that size.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:18 AM   #6
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About time this carrier was completed, since it was first laid down 26 years ago, in the Ukraine


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I never understood the big lip on the front of the deck.... Are chains and carrier propulsion systems outdated? Or are these just to server VTOL/ short take off aircraft?
Its the same class as the Russian Aircraft Carrier (although slightly upgraded with Chinese Radar systems etc), the Admiral Kuznetsov class aircraft carrier which is designed to take STOBAR (short take off but arrested recovery) aircraft, ie, aircraft like the Sukhoi Su-33, Su-25UTG/UPB and the theoretical "Sea Typhoon" which BAE Systems have been trying to sell to India for some time. Although it is suspected that China is working on there own STOBAR aircraft, possibly the "J-10C" or a "J-19" but no confirmed sources on that.



STOBAR is basically mixing the worst bits of CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take Off But Arrested Recovery) and STOVL (Short Take Off and Vertical Landing) but it dose mean that you can have pretty cheap aircraft, and a cheapish carrier (not as cheap as STOVL carriers thou). But means you have the short range and low payload disadvantages of STOVL, and the very hard landing and low sortie rates disadvantages of CATOBAR.


As for the ski jump itself, its a very common feature with short take off aircraft, its only the Americans that for some reason don't use it, even thou USMC pilots loved it when they where practising off HMS Ark Royal over a year ago. The ski jump basically means that you need a much shorter deck to take short take off aircraft from, as well as drastically reducing the risk factor of taking off a carrier as your much higher above the water when leaving the deck, meaning much more time to eject if something goes wrong.


I don't quite know why anyone hasn't tried to develop a CATOBAR system with a ski jump myself as it would mean bigger safety factors and less power to get the aircraft off the deck as well as putting the aircraft frame under a lot less pressure extending the life of the aircraft.


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It's a refurbished Soviet ship?

China, I are disappoint.
It is suspected that China is developing some of its own Carrier designs behind closed doors. This will be China's first ever carrier and as such, they have a lot to learn about how to operate a carrier and launching/recovering aircraft at sea. As such this ship is suspected to mainly be a training ship for China to get a foot hole in operating carriers before they start pumping out there own designs.

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Old 08-12-2011, 11:34 AM   #7
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It is suspected that China is developing some of its own Carrier designs behind closed doors. This will be China's first ever carrier and as such, they have a lot to learn about how to operate a carrier and launching/recovering aircraft at sea. As such this ship is suspected to mainly be a training ship for China to get a foot hole in operating carriers before they start pumping out there own designs.
Makes sense.

But if, as many military theorists suggest, China intends to challenge the United States in the Pacific, they'll have to do better than one refurbished Soviet carrier.
Sorry if that sounds arrogant, but I get annoyed at all the hype over this when it's really not very consequential.

The DF-21 missile they rolled out recently is much more of a concern than this carrier.
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:42 AM   #8
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But if, as many military theorists suggest, China intends to challenge the United States in the Pacific, they'll have to do better than one refurbished Soviet carrier.
Russia managed with only one carrier for some time

The bigger worrying factor is the rest of China's navy tbh.


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Sorry if that sounds arrogant, but I get annoyed at all the hype over this when it's really not very consequential.
Indeed, but its more about what China is planning to do in the future that is of main concern here.

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The DF-21 missile they rolled out recently is much more of a concern than this carrier.
Indeed, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of them, but we have yet to see if they are all what they claim to be.

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Old 08-12-2011, 11:49 AM   #9
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Russia managed with only one carrier for some time

The bigger worrying factor is the rest of China's navy tbh.
True, but they managed at an inferior position to the US Navy.
At least on the surface. Submarines were a different story. Perhaps it'll be the same with China.

If we look at this carrier as more of a prelude to a future generation of advanced Chinese supercarriers, then I would accept that it's important.
But I doubt this refurbished carrier will even see combat. How often does China conduct overseas military operations?
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:59 AM   #10
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True, but they managed at an inferior position to the US Navy.
At least on the surface. Submarines were a different story. Perhaps it'll be the same with China.
China's submarine theart is already pretty large, I dunno how it compares to the US Navies but I know Chinese submarines have made laughing stocks of US Navy war games by gate crashing them undetected then surfacing right in the middle of them right next to a Nimitz class carrier


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If we look at this carrier as more of a prelude to a future generation of advanced Chinese supercarriers, then I would accept that it's important.
But I doubt this refurbished carrier will even see combat. How often does China conduct overseas military operations?
China dose have a lot of disputed disputed territory they would like to get there hands on and there Amphibious capability is already very strong. The only thing that is missing is an aircraft carrier although most of that disputed territory is already in range of China's ground fighters.

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