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Old 2015-08-04, 20:37   #31
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Default Re: Dear veterans, quitchyerbitchun about newb SLs

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Everything you said is completely wrong.

If your usefulness is incapacitated so much just because you have to work with a player who can't use a mic, you should just not Squad lead at all.

I have never experienced such epic tragedy, and trauma, just because I had people in my squad that could not talk.
So I guess you are really successful at leading and have competitive PR experience?

And you tell this guy to cover a corner and tell if enemies are coming? Oh wait, he does not have mic, he has to TYPE, and while he is typing, he is probably dead. And while dead, he sends his message, but oh wait again - you cant see it because you are not dead.

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Get mic if want and have full PR experience, else just waste of time for everyone else.

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Old 2015-08-04, 21:22   #32
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Default Re: Dear veterans, quitchyerbitchun about newb SLs

Trying to talk sense to the deaf.


/ But i still prefer a guy without mic over a guy that talks unnecessary bullshit.

// That band of brothers fail leader is how i see bluedrake lol
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Old 2015-08-05, 10:30   #33
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Default Re: Dear veterans, quitchyerbitchun about newb SLs

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You either haven't played PR enough or are extremely ignorant of the situation.
You are being both combative and deliberately dishonest, but hey if you want to turn this into a dick measuring contest be my guest



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Everything you said is completely wrong.

If your usefulness is incapacitated so much just because you have to work with a player who can't use a mic, you should just not Squad lead at all.

I have never experienced such epic tragedy, and trauma, just because I had people in my squad that could not talk.
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Nope, I meant exactly what I said. Micless players, irrespective of any other traits or skills, are less effective than players with mics. By an order of magnitude. Communication is everything in this game, if you cannot communicate in an effective and timely manner you are going to get people killed, you are going to slow down the squad, you are a liability.

Now, saying that, the one exception I personally was willing to make was for new players after the standalone patch, because you have to ease people into these things. But that time has passed, and we need to start converting the micless if we are going to make true PR players out of them.

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Old 2015-08-05, 12:39   #34
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Default Re: Dear veterans, quitchyerbitchun about newb SLs

Snaiper, I rate your troll with a solid 8/10, good job.

VTRaptor: but i only stopped for less than 10 secs and that fucking awesome dude put 2 of them
]CIA[ SwampFox: well my definition of glitching is using an enemy kit to kill the enemy
Just_Dave: i have a list about PR players, and they r categorized by their skill
Para: You sir are an arse and not what the game or our community needs.
AlonTavor: Is that a German trying to make me concentrate?
Heavy Death: join PRTA instead - Teamwork is a must there.
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Old 2015-08-05, 17:22   #35
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Nope, I meant exactly what I said.
I'm sure you meant every word, you are still wrong on every word also, and still a sub standard leader for a community with all levels of participation, all of which are welcome.

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So I guess you are really successful at leading and have competitive PR experience? with people that can't talk on mics, Yes.
You can make up and drama queen scenario all you want.

The PR experience is not based on COD run and gun kill scores.

If you are defeated so easily just because a player can't talk over a mic to you in English, then You are more of a problem to the PR population than any new guy or anyone with no Mic.
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Old 2015-08-05, 18:55   #36
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Wing Walker 5/10 not as good as Snaiper.

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Old 2015-08-05, 19:28   #37
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Okay here's a how it goes with micless players, just for you Wing Walker:

Player without mic can not communicate with the rest of the squad when he is down or dead. The chat can not be read by them. This means anytime this happens, the rest of the squad is left in void about his status, where he died, what killed him, if he is revivable, all sorts of things. He can not say if a kit he was assigned can't be taken by him for whatever reasons, how much time is left on his spawn timer, footsteps he is hearing and 100 other things.

Also he can't call out for friendly medics on local (I personally only revive people that answer me locally, not bothering to waste epipens on potentially dead-dead players).

When he is alive, he can't give precise and accurate information on anything within reasonable time without limiting his own combat effectiveness. In combat itself, when it is most needed, that is also impossible.

He can't revive people in a good manner, because he can't tell them where to go after the revive if it's not safe, he can't communicate with the rest of the team around him and he sure as hell is unable to crew a vehicle with a gunner or driver.

In essence:

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Micless players, irrespective of any other traits or skills, are less effective than players with mics. By an order of magnitude. Communication is everything in this game, if you cannot communicate in an effective and timely manner you are going to get people killed, you are going to slow down the squad, you are a liability.

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If you are defeated so easily just because a player can't talk over a mic to you in English then You are more of a problem to the PR population than any new guy or anyone with no Mic.
If you play PR on a high level, this is what happens. Nobody has a problem with the occasional new guy that doesn't get his mic fixed, but any good server will have them removed from the server. But not for competitive play, not constantly and certainly not because not having a mic is no problem and just as good as a person having one.

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Old 2015-08-05, 19:32   #38
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The PR experience is not based on COD run and gun kill scores.
Good Afternoon,

Well, it is sad to say that some folks still think that just because they are #1 on the scoreboard that they are the best. I had one player just the other day on Khamisaiyah(?) that was manning an AA emplacement that my squad was using at the Chem Weapons plant to defend. I told him to get out (yes, I didn't use "good manners") so one of my squad could get into it. He refused and I mentioned something like, I could kill you so he jumps out and says that he could too and proceeds to shoot me. Of course at the end of the round, he jumped up and down about me saying what I said. He also pointed out that he was #1 on the scoreboard.

I have found that most of these #1 scoreboard players are rambo/lonewolves and do not play with their squad like the guy above. The scoreboard provides basic information on the enemy. I use loose math to determine the ticket status of the enemy. A good player will score just a bit higher than his squad but his squad will be very very close to him in score. When you see a "top squad" with one player's score totally inflated, as a rule of thumb you know that that guy is a rambo/lonewolf player who is not a "team" player.

It still amazes me after all these years how many players still play PR like Halo, Quake, DukeNukem 3D, Delta Force, Call of Duty, among others.

-SwampFox
CIVI guide: https://goo.gl/WhRE7A
CIVIES and Martyrs thread: http://goo.gl/eqZ3wn
My FOB guide: https://goo.gl/z8bk2z
FOB Thread: http://goo.gl/4PWRAs
PR Statistics & Useless Information thread: http://goo.gl/bzu4qd
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Old 2015-08-05, 19:45   #39
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Moral of the story: Please don't chase off new players. We want this community to continue to grow so we can keep the game going. Just be cool.
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Old 2015-08-06, 00:09   #40
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Wing Walker 5/10 not as good as Snaiper.
those ratings are pretty unfair since snaipers name alone gives him already 3/10 points
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