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Old 2017-08-17, 11:46   #1
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Default "LBRY.io" An attempt to create a decentralized Youtube.



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I wanted to make this thread because this is an interesting technology that I think many people from this community will have proper insight into. A potentially disruptive technology that could change content distribution in many ways similar to Napster or BitTorrent.

Or maybe not, but fuck it Trump is President and BitCoin is at 5000$ USD. Anything could happen.

https://lbry.io/

About a year ago, I went on this crusade to learn more about content distribution systems and how they work... specifically to undermine Youtube's (and other platforms') influence over my own independent business.

Had conference calls with a lot of people, and discussed ideas with a lot of different platforms including IPFS, Akamai (previously powering Twitch,) AWS (currently powering Vid.me,) and WebTorrent.

But I had one really interesting phone call with Jeremy Kauffman and Reilly Smith about a year ago discussing an entirely new theory for content decentralization powered by blockchain technology, which is the same system that powers cryptocurrency such as BitCoin.

https://lbry.io/get

This is the current client for the public beta that just released, and is the first practical prototype for blockchain technology weaponized for proper video content distribution.

Here is an example of a PROTOTYPE HTML EMBEDDING PORTAL for the blockchain hosted content, built upon the core LBRY system as an open source web-based extension.

I've experimented with a wide variety of solutions while pursuing a properly decentralized content distribution network, and LBRY is the most promising solution I've found so far. I've hosted my own tiny content distribution network, I've rented white-label content distribution solutions from providers such as Akamai, and I've experimented with dynamic torrent-based solutions such as WebTorrent and IPFS.

However I think LBRY could be the first genuinely practical solutions to the CDN conglomerate issue. So if you're interested in it, give it a poke-around and let me know your thoughts.

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Old 2017-08-17, 12:08   #2
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Didn't open any links yet but my first question would be why blockchaining? Decentralized video hosting is cool and all, but I don't get what blockchaining will help doing it any better? There are known downsides to blockchaining and to me they are in direct line with what something like video hosting would need. Again didn't click anything so could be I'm misinformed.

Anyway, sounds interesting. Doing my master thesis likely on blockchaining (although in a way different field) so things like this are very interesting to me.

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Old 2017-08-17, 14:31   #3
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Sounds interesting but with you having to download an app to use it, it is going to be hard to compete with the ease of use of YouTube etc, unless the long term plan is to go browser based but dunno if that is possible with this setup or not.

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Old 2017-08-17, 16:03   #4
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Didn't open any links yet but my first question would be why blockchaining? Decentralized video hosting is cool and all, but I don't get what blockchaining will help doing it any better? There are known downsides to blockchaining and to me they are in direct line with what something like video hosting would need. Again didn't click anything so could be I'm misinformed.

Anyway, sounds interesting. Doing my master thesis likely on blockchaining (although in a way different field) so things like this are very interesting to me.
I'm going to be straight up, I do not entirely understand blockchain technology as well as the developers who created this. If anything I've taken this as an opportunity to more properly learn how blockchains work, but for whatever reason it seems to work pretty well so far.

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Old 2017-08-17, 16:44   #5
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Content uploaded to the decentralized LBRY network remains publicly accessible so long as the community finds it valuable and continues to host it.
So... unlike YouTube, it will be very slow and almost impossible to watch videos that aren't mainstream. In fact old videos may simply disappear just because there's no one online to seed such videos.

In no way this will offer any competition to YouTube.


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Old 2017-08-17, 19:40   #6
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So... unlike YouTube, it will be very slow and almost impossible to watch videos that aren't mainstream. In fact old videos may simply disappear just because there's no one online to seed such videos.

In no way this will offer any competition to YouTube.
Ye, if that is how the files are totally done then the service will never hit a critical mass point where it can sustain itself without at least as a minimum, a huge investment in servers to initially host all the content to begin with before it gets enough users to keep the content up and running at all times, let alone at decent speeds etc. And then people have also got to get past the fact of downloading an app etc to use it and also moving away from YouTube etc.

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Old 2017-08-18, 01:52   #7
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I don't understand the challenge/issue which this technology is trying to solve?

I also work closely with Blockchain technology in the Financial Services sector, notably what it can do in Financial Crime prevention and Anti Money Laundering (AMLO). I again can sort of see the value of ledgers for de-centralising a content database but again dont know why I wouldn't use torrent, or another media hosting platform.

You say Hollywood movies will be hosted on the platform, how will you deal with illegal file hosting like movies or Child Porn etc? Will you be able to force a take-down of a video, if not how will you deal with the DCMA takedowns will be directed at your platform, not the individual users?

Your driver to develop this from what I understand is because you didnt like how Youtube managed your content (i.e the changes in ad revenue youtubers receive etc.) and I therefore assume you will be trying to put in place an advertising control mechanism as there must be some financial gain for yourself in this, it takes a lot of money to host media online.

If so, what about all the patents in place for content websites, user profiles, paid subscriptions etc?

BT sues Valve over patent infringement - BBC News

https://insight.rpxcorp.com/litigati...ments/12085257

If I could see this technology solving an issue in my daily life I would be up for it, but Youtube solves that with a significant footprint already, so I see no need to change.

Just because something has Blockchain in it doesn't make it applicable to daily life.

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Old 2017-08-18, 14:22   #8
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Sounds really good, I'm all in for decentralized interwebz as it was back in 90' and 00', but the fact that you have to download an app is a really big turnoff for most people including me.
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Old 2017-08-18, 14:54   #9
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Youtube is a great free tool that works out of the box and from my limited understanding, it's only content creators who suffer from their new revenue policies, which doesn't concern the majority (besides the open war on freedom of speech, but at the end of the day it's their platform...) and the fact that you need to download an app for it kind of puts me off.


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