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Old 2014-08-20, 16:25   #21
ComradeHX
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Default Re: APC vs. Helicopter

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ComradeHX sometimes I wonder if you have really played PR or you just spammed the forums since 2009.
I only played PR since 0.86.

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If you fly low, you will never get kills and you will die really quickly by HMG, Tank, Apc, AAV, anything bigger than 7.62 basically.
If you fly really high, you will get 2-6 kills during the entire round, because nobody cares to laze, or when they do, they laze an enemy fob which has all kinds of AA assets on it but you only get told there's like 2 guys on it guys go bomb it.

The best way to do CAS is to search for your own targets, and it works pretty well until all of a sudden you get hit by a BMP2/3 or 30mm MTLB and die in 2 shots while flying at 300km/h because they can aim and trace you really easily, and do ridiculous amount of damage regardless of where they hit you.

IMO, at least for me, AA and AAVs are not even a threat when flying an attack helicopter, or even a trans helicopter, because they are useless 90% of the time, unless they are all stacked in one location and spam all of their rockets at you, but APCs you don't even know when they are shooting at you, or when you know you are already dead.
Low as in behind hills and only pop up to fire a hellfire or two when friendlies spotted enemy vehicles...etc.

Not hovering directly above enemy machinegun...

You are getting killed for flying around aimlessly... If people know you stick around for very long; they would have the time to use a number of ways to kill you. Attack Helicopter != flying tank(that's what Huey is for).

So what I am seeing is that you are complaining about getting killed for searching for enemies on your own while not waiting for any info from SL of other squad because you don't trust them/they don't need you.

How terrible; PR is about teamwork, if you go out there on your own...you get killed. Working as intended.
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Old 2014-08-20, 16:26   #22
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Default Re: APC vs. Helicopter

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And no, all weapons shouldn't be nerfed because they kill me, but in the current situation, you could remove AAVs from the game files and save some size for next update since they are replaced by APCs.
ok, present what you think should be buffed for aav's.
as according to you they are useless right now and apc's are the greatest threat to a helicopter.

knowing that the view distance for the maps can not be increased.
you can reduce accuracy and power of the apc guns.

then what?
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Old 2014-08-20, 16:28   #23
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TBH, i'm more worried about being sniped by a tank.

I've never really run into a situation where an APC tried to shoot me, mainly because a hellfire landed on top of it before it even saw the chopper.
Pro tip:
1. Rely on intel from com and SL.
2. Come from above (dive) because the bmp will most definitely not look straight up in the sky while being stationary.
3. Hit it while its driving.
4. Make sure to hit it (...)
5. ???
6. Profit!

//edit: I forgot the most important step, thanks b2p1 for reminding me.


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Old 2014-08-20, 16:40   #24
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You forgot the most important step...

Step 5: ???
Step 6: Profit.
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Old 2014-08-20, 16:54   #25
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CAS in its current form is over powered as fuck already. CAS should be something that only should be able to succeed with help from the ground: Intel & Lases. But that's not given anymore (at least for Gunships). Any decent pilot&gunner combo will kill an apc before it has the chance on attacking you.


The issue around CAS in my POV is that manpads and stationary AAs are next to useless. Only AAVs have a chance against any form of CAS soley because they can spam 4 or more missles at once. Less missles can easily be outflared by the pilot. The joke is that a HAT is a better AA weapon than a manpad.

Just ask yourself the question:

-As a pilot, do you fear manpads/stationary AA?
-As a crewman, do you fear ATs?

But of course all the usual CAS dudes never adress this issue....


So my conclusion: Do NOT change the APC vs CAS combat. Make CAS fear AAs and make them powerfull when there is no AA around and they are backed up by the team. Stop making CAS (specially gunships) a two-man job.
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Old 2014-08-20, 17:10   #26
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manpads aint useless, I killed a chinook once

From my POV Cas is only as good as the intel they get.
OFC you can fly around on low altitude and completely rape the ennemy the team (best ex: Beirut, the layout with cas or RUS in the beginning) but this can be avoided with hats,manpads,apcs,...
People seem to forget to look up int the air from time to time.

If I get locked, i scream like a little girl and dont go near that again.
I know that it won't necessarily kill me but I still have huge respect towards AA emplacements of any kind.
Mandpads and stationary AAs are not useless. Flares make them seem useless, I mean that's what flares are there for right?

AA Vehicles are a high threat to CAS aswell.
Best ex: Stormer! Just unload 500 aa missiles at the same time and the chopper is dead, or atleast scared for the rest of his life.
Hide your tunguska, wait for cas to go rtb after a run, SPAM THAT CANNON = Profit.

There are ways to kill cas. And I personally fear AA the most (don't forget quad-cannons, aka the pilots nightmare)


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Old 2014-08-20, 17:37   #27
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Everything is good atm. Just give the choppers a bit more speed that we can reload faster and keep raping the enemy team.

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Old 2014-08-20, 17:46   #28
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Just give the choppers a bit more speed that we can reload faster and keep raping the enemy team.
uhm. no.
You said it yourself, everything is good atm.


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Old 2014-08-20, 19:25   #29
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uhm. no.
You said it yourself, everything is good atm.
and? Problem Mr. Moulinkiller? Btw we are not hacking just saying, I heard once that we are hackers from a 3dAC guy because we have games with 100 kills in CAS.
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Old 2014-08-20, 19:29   #30
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uhm. no.
You said it yourself, everything is good atm.
I wouldn't mind the Hind's flight model to be adjusted a bit. Or make some transport choppers (that currently perform better than attack helis) a lot harder to fly.

Heh, that's funny I was searching for a video to prove my point and I ended up on the one you made.
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