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Old 2012-08-22, 09:51   #11
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Stop arguing. You're getting 5 now.

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Old 2012-08-22, 13:18   #12
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That would be why I said 'hoping for'

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Old 2012-09-05, 10:19   #13
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Is the navy really that relevant any more? Wouldn't the same money (for 13 frigates or whatever) spent on aircraft or infantry be a much more worthwhile purchase considering the proximity of everything to each other in the European theatre.
Like the British aren't exactly colonializing any more.

Also that ship looks like it's from a 1999 futuristic war game. Really low tri.
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Old 2012-09-05, 13:53   #14
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Is the navy really that relevant any more? Wouldn't the same money (for 13 frigates or whatever) spent on aircraft or infantry be a much more worthwhile purchase considering the proximity of everything to each other in the European theatre.
Like the British aren't exactly colonializing any more.
Seeing as over 90% of all UK trade comes in by sea since we are on a tiny little island, a navy is still very relevant. Even the threat of something small like piracy pushes up prices on imports/exports quite significantly, let alone if Iran or someone gets the idea to blockade somewhere...

This is also not to mention all our foreign interests around the world.

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Also that ship looks like it's from a 1999 futuristic war game. Really low tri.
That's due to its low radar profile design.

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Old 2012-09-05, 23:58   #15
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IMO navies are going to be very important in the coming decades with what's going on in the South China Sea.
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Old 2012-09-06, 00:10   #16
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Well as is becoming apparent, Europe is basically being told by the US to get its own house in order as the US diplomatic and military focus shifts to the Asia Pacific region.

The building of two new carriers by the UK and the current one in operation with France (which is considering replacing it with one or two new ones similar to the UK ones) and the purchase of new frigates and destroyers by the major European navies is indicative of us finally taking our own security in hand, and it's about time too.

Maybe this is all worthy of its own topic though

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Old 2012-09-06, 01:24   #17
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Surface navies' only purpose is foriegn security. An aircraft carrier or a frigate would be completely ineffective in modern naval war, compared to a submarine.
The frigates purpose (as described) is to be a long range patrol boat, more or less. Like the coast guard but guarding a coast 3000km away (In Canada thatd still be the Canadian coast, but Europe everything's a bit smaller. Well, yes they do have various other purposes because frigates are basically general purpose warships.
An aircraft carrier's only purpose is to establish air dominance over a country you already severely outmatch, especially when friendly airfields are unavailable. IE going after Libya, Kosovo or Iran (again). Only countries that have a tendancy to bomb out other places on a regular basis have any significant fleet of them, while countries that have their fleet for defence possess submarines, attack and sometimes ballistic.

Correct me if I'm wrong, this is just where logic leads me.

And the frigate still looks like it's from the 90s, radar deflection or not.
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Old 2012-09-06, 18:11   #18
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Surface navies' only purpose is foriegn security. An aircraft carrier or a frigate would be completely ineffective in modern naval war, compared to a submarine.
And what's the most effective weapon against submarines? Surface ships and more importantly, there ASW helicopters on the back of them.


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The frigates purpose (as described) is to be a long range patrol boat, more or less. Like the coast guard but guarding a coast 3000km away (In Canada thatd still be the Canadian coast, but Europe everything's a bit smaller. Well, yes they do have various other purposes because frigates are basically general purpose warships.
Actually the definition of a modern frigate is:
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In modern navies, frigates are used to protect other warships and merchant-marine ships, especially as anti-submarine warfare (ASW) combatants for amphibious expeditionary forces, underway replenishment groups, and merchant convoys.
This frigate however dose have very good Anti-Air and Anti-Missile weapons on it, as well as carrying anti-ship and anti-surface weapons, such as the Tomahawk and the newer Perseus missiles.

A frigate is basically a smaller and cheaper destroyer, while still having all the same weapons a destroyer has, it just has less of them (ie, the Type 26 doesn't have anywhere near the amount of AA missiles the Type 45 has, 24 launch tubes to the 48 on the Type 45).

In this day and age, Frigates is what we need more of than Destroyers where we have less money to spend, but have to cover the same amount of area.

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An aircraft carrier's only purpose is to establish air dominance over a country you already severely outmatch, especially when friendly airfields are unavailable. IE going after Libya, Kosovo or Iran (again). Only countries that have a tendancy to bomb out other places on a regular basis have any significant fleet of them, while countries that have their fleet for defence possess submarines, attack and sometimes ballistic.
Aircraft Carriers are extremely flexible platforms which can be used for far more than just gaining air superiority over a foreign country. Without an aircraft carrier in many cases, no surface ships or even ground forces could risk being deployed. Not to mention they can be deployed anywhere around the world at a moments notice compared to the logistical nightmare of trying to ship an entire airbase, being aircraft, spare parts, weapons, fuel etc all to a foreign country (which also costs a damn fortune to do at short notice), which you will spend ages dibble dabbling to even get that permission and by the time you may get it, your carrier will most likely be on the coast of the country and probably been there for a few days, complete with all the spare parts, weapons, aircraft and crew all on-board.

Now that's just one basic example based on quite a few recent use-age of aircraft carriers, but by no means not limited to.

Aircraft even with to days AA weapons are still the biggest threat to both surface ships and submarines, not to mention ground forces, and the best way to counter aircraft is with aircraft quite simply and the only way you can effectively do that in most cases, is with an aircraft carrier.

At the end of the day, Aircraft carriers are as flexible as the aircraft they carry, and if the aircraft can be used in that scenario, so can the carrier, unless its in the middle of a landmass out of range from the nearest coast line, but seeing as over 70% of the earth's surface is water, and the only places aircraft can operate in most of that area is from a carrier.

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Old 2012-09-06, 20:09   #19
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Submersible aircraft carrier naow dammit!
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Old 2012-09-06, 22:12   #20
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Submersible aircraft carrier naow dammit!
Funny thing is, I was talking about something like this to my friend during our US history class today... lol.


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