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Old 2009-07-31, 04:10   #1
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Default MEC G3 Rifle recoil.

The kick of the G3 to many may be a bit overwhelming and it's easy to imagine why. I know the DEVs have tried to simulate the fact that the G3 uses a larger round which apparently = larger kick back. But after gathering some opinions from a few 10s of people on my community's forums, the majority thinks the G3 has too large recoil and I agree.

I don't know what formula you would use to figure out recoil, but I'm simply suggesting that the G3 recoil is lowered, only slightly though. The recoil is controllable but some opinions from a few people who have used the G3 in real life say that it doesn't have as large a kick back as on PR. The MEC rifle is the G3A3, correct me if I'm wrong.

Apart from that, the G3 is accurate and deadly. And If the suggestion is snubbed, I've no problem with it, it's just that I would, along with some others, would like it lowered slightly. Like not want.

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Old 2009-07-31, 04:18   #2
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Lets do a little bit of math here. We won't take into account the other variables that affect muzzle climb/recoil (like the AR-15's straight-Z-axis-recoil design).


63 gr. 5.56x45mm NATO will contain 1,796 Jules of energy at the muzzle.

147 gr. 7.62x51mm NATO will contain 3,352 Jules of energy at the muzzle.

The G3 should have at LEAST 85% more recoil than AR-15 platforms (Newton's third law gives us this conclusion). I don't have the skills to properly add variables previously mentioned, but the AR-15 is built to channel all recoil straight backwards into the shoulder, not affecting recoil, but theoretically eliminating muzzle climb. AFAIK, the G3A3 is not built upon such properties.

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Old 2009-07-31, 10:00   #3
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Default Re: MEC G3 Rifle recoil.

i think you forgot about muzzle breaks in your estimations(or its "other variables"?)
surely its recoil should be higher, but not like you shoot half clip on auto and start looking into sky i guess AK-47 has nearly same bullet energy and its recoil ingame is great


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Old 2009-07-31, 10:14   #4
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Lets do a little bit of math here. We won't take into account the other variables that affect muzzle climb/recoil (like the AR-15's straight-Z-axis-recoil design).


63 gr. 5.56x45mm NATO will contain 1,796 Jules of energy at the muzzle.

147 gr. 7.62x51mm NATO will contain 3,352 Jules of energy at the muzzle.

The G3 should have at LEAST 85% more recoil than AR-15 platforms (Newton's third law gives us this conclusion). I don't have the skills to properly add variables previously mentioned, but the AR-15 is built to channel all recoil straight backwards into the shoulder, not affecting recoil, but theoretically eliminating muzzle climb. AFAIK, the G3A3 is not built upon such properties.
Or you know, we could listen to the people that have actually fired the weapon instead of math theory...

I have fired the rifle and use it several times a year and the kick is a bit to high ingame.

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i think you forgot about muzzle breaks in your estimations(or its "other variables"?)
surely its recoil should be higher, but not like you shoot half clip on auto and start looking into sky i guess AK-47 has nearly same bullet energy and its recoil ingame is great
You can shoot auto burst with the G3, it is no problem getting 5 rounds in auto on/around a target at close range. Also the AK47 uses a smaller bullet, the G3 uses the NATO 7.62 round that is around twice as long as the russian 7.62.
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Old 2009-07-31, 11:06   #5
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The muzzle climb might be quite high compared to real life however in real life you counteract the recoil using your body. In-game you do it with your mouse.

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Old 2009-07-31, 11:46   #6
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Default Re: MEC G3 Rifle recoil.

Also, as the rifle is heavier, I would imagine more recoil energy is lost pushing it.

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Old 2009-08-22, 09:40   #7
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Default Re: MEC G3 Rifle recoil.

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Originally Posted by waldo_ii View Post
Lets do a little bit of math here. We won't take into account the other variables that affect muzzle climb/recoil (like the AR-15's straight-Z-axis-recoil design).


63 gr. 5.56x45mm NATO will contain 1,796 Jules of energy at the muzzle.

147 gr. 7.62x51mm NATO will contain 3,352 Jules of energy at the muzzle.

The G3 should have at LEAST 85% more recoil than AR-15 platforms (Newton's third law gives us this conclusion). I don't have the skills to properly add variables previously mentioned, but the AR-15 is built to channel all recoil straight backwards into the shoulder, not affecting recoil, but theoretically eliminating muzzle climb. AFAIK, the G3A3 is not built upon such properties.
85% more? not that much.

Because the gas system is different, G3's shell ejection strength can shoot a shell from 20 ft away and hit some guy and cause damage(that is why G3, or CETME, have that deflector thing)...

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i think you forgot about muzzle breaks in your estimations(or its "other variables"?)
surely its recoil should be higher, but not like you shoot half clip on auto and start looking into sky i guess AK-47 has nearly same bullet energy and its recoil ingame is great
...G3 fires 7.62x51mm nato, Ak47 fires 7.62x32mm... not the same energy.
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Old 2009-08-22, 21:59   #8
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I agree, G3 recoil is too much.

But then, I am of the opinion that every rifle in this mod has too much recoil .

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Old 2009-08-22, 23:32   #9
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G3 has the best ironsight and best stopping power, even the scope version is more clear than the pointing arrow shape Brits and US has.
When not on CQC it's the best weapon overall (semi to far distances) and giving it less recoil would take away the only weakness it has ingame.

(Just from a game standpoint)

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Old 2009-08-22, 23:39   #10
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G3 has the best ironsight and best stopping power, even the scope version is more clear than the pointing arrow shape Brits and US has.
When not on CQC it's the best weapon overall (semi to far distances) and giving it less recoil would take away the only weakness it has ingame.

(Just from a game standpoint)
I agree the G3 rapes everything even in cqc. The best medic gun in the game is the G3, because even with the Iron sites u can shoot long range
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