Penalties for dying in Insurgent factions

[fenriz9000]

You are loosing not because you pushes 'GiveUp', but because you died before.
I bet that number of give-ups for insurgents is not overruns thhe same for bluefor.
Just compare all components - weapons, body armor, transport, etc for both fration and you just see the difference. There is no anything that insurgents have better.

[Murphy]

Insurgents have worse equipment but generally have enough time to get into advantageous positions before blufor show up. They generally have quicker transport and are often given control over the disputed ground. This is why you often seen INS mode rounds go to the insurgents in organized matches.

If an INS team decides to play the game strategically they have a much easier time, unfortunately this never happens in public games. PRT doesn't play INS mode for a reason, and it's not because Insurgents have zero change of winning.

[fenriz9000]

Playing in public is much different than in closed matches and its not fair to compare them and make a resulting decision that everything is ok with insurgents. I remember that DEVs want to make intel points visible. Is it reverted back?

[faulktime]

I needs to be left alone because if it was harder for insurgents then nobody would vote for insurgency at all. It would completely take away from the reason people like to play insurgency in the first place.

[[R-DEV]​Arab]

I like this idea of delayed spawn times depending on time alive

Though there should be a 5-10 max 20 second cooldown before the punishment commences such as when an insurgent spawns on a fob that's camped by an APC who's farming kills.

[Psyko]

...or just give the insurgents tickets.

[lao]

Originally Posted by bahiakof

I'll be honest. The biggest villain of teamwork in Project Reality is called "BUTTON GIVE UP."

4fun player: "I'm not going to wait for the medic, or worry about dying and losing a lot of tickets and this will lead my team to defeat, and you know why? Because there's a button called "give up", and I'll always continue using this button and always playing the wrong way and always dying and harming everyone on the team, because what matters is my fun."

If we delete the button, the waiting would be to fatalistic and not having a choice wouldn't glue you to the monitor as much calling for medics etc. Moreover, people would just alt f4 for the duration of the said minute or two and spend the time in another game or on reddit.

[lao]

Originally Posted by Psyko

...or just give the insurgents tickets.

Yeah, that and pump up the assymetric fire potential of ins. I.e. 3 Rocket techies on Falluja, more mines etc. That way this fun 0 teamplay 0 to 9 kdr gameplay wouldn't be that pronounced, even though we'll lose some of the realism in that in a real world, it probably takes no less than 10 ins lives to kill one American. Or actually much more. Afghan Soviet losses throughout almost 12 years in conflict are somewhere at 10k, with Afghan losses estimated from 500 to literally a million.

Long story short, it is a question of what exactly does PR reenact: well trained and coordinated ins or completely untrained or even mentally challenged insurgents with 0 teamplay. Both type of situations happen in real life, and in a game one should really consider the gameplay aspect as well. I know people who vote ins just for free vanilla BF2 effortless fun.

[SemlerPDX]