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Old 2015-11-09, 11:30   #1
Jacksonez__

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This is a little bit relevant to my previous thread (ZSL-92 ifv feedback), but I'll post it here too under correct subforum:

Why on earth it takes 4 seconds (4,25-4,35?) for Malyutka atgm to get launched? I've watched several videos and made a conclusion the missile gets launched with zero (or very insignificant) delay after the trigger has been pushed.

Why 4 seconds delay? Is some actual fact it takes exactly (or 4+) 4 seconds? Or is this just some "it would be OP" stuff?

Why would BMP-1 ATGM launcher use different launch mechanism than the ground launcher? They look identical.






Evidence to support my claims:
2:48. Watch really close to the person operating the launch control. First he flicks the safety off, then gently taps the trigger. Missile gets launched immediately.

Also check 3:28.
0:02, no similar sound of HJ-8/TOW-2 missile launch motors after pushing the trigger. The missile starts and gets launched immediately.

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Old 2015-11-10, 17:00   #2
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In your first video it looks like there is a delay after he flips the switch at 2:45, about 4-5 seconds delay.
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Old 2015-11-10, 19:23   #3
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In your first video it looks like there is a delay after he flips the switch at 2:45, about 4-5 seconds delay.
pretty sure that was the safety switch. If you close you can see that he pushes the trigger gently with his thumb at 2:48

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Old 2015-11-10, 22:34   #4
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Yeah, looks like it's much longer than it should be. The reference from which the 4-second figure came from seems to have been referring to part of the reload process rather than firing. It'll be reduced by next version, but to what I don't know. We still haven't found a detailed ref yet, but we'll keep looking. Thanks for the report.



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Old 2015-11-11, 09:31   #5
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Yeah, looks like it's much longer than it should be. The reference from which the 4-second figure came from seems to have been referring to part of the reload process rather than firing. It'll be reduced by next version, but to what I don't know. We still haven't found a detailed ref yet, but we'll keep looking. Thanks for the report.
Those videos are pretty good reference in my opinion. I googled around for good time and I couldn't find any better sources than those videos.

You could make it 4-5 seconds until you are able to move the turret though, but fire-delay is 0-0,1 seconds

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Old 2015-11-11, 13:34   #6
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seems like a fair tradeoff since its much less accurate and powerfull than other atgms


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Old 2015-11-12, 19:57   #7
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I don't understand why the delay was implemented on vehicles to begin with. It may be realistic to have the delay on certain vehicles, but from a gameplay stand point the 4 second delay seems to be aimed at HAT soldiers who used to be able to "jack in the box" and successfully destroy enemy Armour while remaining unseen/untouched due to the nature of deviation.

It also lends itself nicely to TOW emplacements, but vehicles never needed to be "nerfed" in that manner. I suppose it gives more of a balance when a tank with ATGM comes up against one who is armed with AP at best.

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Old 2015-11-12, 20:25   #8
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I don't understand why the delay was implemented on vehicles to begin with. It may be realistic to have the delay on certain vehicles, but from a gameplay stand point the 4 second delay seems to be aimed at HAT soldiers who used to be able to "jack in the box" and successfully destroy enemy Armour while remaining unseen/untouched due to the nature of deviation.

It also lends itself nicely to TOW emplacements, but vehicles never needed to be "nerfed" in that manner. I suppose it gives more of a balance when a tank with ATGM comes up against one who is armed with AP at best.
if you mean atgm delay, it is because of the launch motor takes time to start after you push the trigger For instance, TOW-2 delay is like 1,25 seconds meanwhile HJ-8 is 3,5-4 seconds.

but as you can see from the video, malyutka doesn't have this delay. Maybe because it doesn't have that powerful motor or so.

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Old 2015-11-12, 20:28   #9
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I was talking from a gameplay angle, not strictly realism. I understand how these weapons function, but for sake of gameplay I feel some of the less realistic changes suit the game.

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Old 2015-11-13, 22:32   #10
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Murphy, correct me if I'm wrong but tank launched ATGMs, or any other atgms from a barrel don't have this delay do they? I thought it was only tube launched ones like the type usually found on ifvs.
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