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Old 2020-10-12, 18:46   #1
RatnikVS
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Cool Serbian Armed Forces

This thread is dedicated to the Serbian Armed Forces faction.

Since the old developers have obviously given up and have not worked on this faction at all,
a new thread has been opened and new developers are here.

The Serbian Armed Forces faction is largely in the process of development, and we will inform you about the progress on this thread.


The Serbian Armed Forces will feature the following new assets:

Small arms:
M70 bayonet
Zastava CZ-99 Pistol
Zastava M70AB2 Assault Rifle
Zastava M70B1N Assault Rifle
Zastava M70B1 Assault Rifle
Zastava M72 Machine Gun
Zastava M76 Semi-automatic sniper rifle
Zastava M07 Sniper Rifle
M75 Hand Grenade
TMRP-6 Anti Tank Mine
HE Tromblon mine
Smoke Tromblon mine
Anti-tank missile:
Bumbar
Transport vehicles:
FAP 2026
TAM 110
Multi-purpose armored combat vehicle
BOV M16 Milos
Infantry fighting vehicle:
BVP M-80AB1
Tank:
M-84AS1

PR assets to be used:

Small arms:
PKM general-purpose machine gun (Renamed to Zastava M84)
VZ. 61 Pistol (Renamed to Zastava M84)
Anti-tank missile:
M72 LAW (Renamed to M80 Zolja) & (Re-Textured)
Anti-air missile:
SA-7
Explosives:
M16 Claymore (Renamed to MRUD) & (Re-Textured)

Faction is imagined as BLUFOR fighting against OPFOR terrorist faction KLA, in the Insurgency mode.

Terrorist faction KLA will be based on militia faction, militia models will be re-textured and given few SAF weapons, for example Zastava m70.

Work on OPFOR faction will start after the completion of SAF.

I would like to invite everyone who is interested in developing SAF to join us on our discord channel: https://discord.gg/SDshzHP


Thread will be modified prior to next updates.



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Old 2020-10-12, 21:14   #2
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We get Serbian subfaction topic each month or two now it seems.
And we get list of what someone should make and do, and topic dies.
This one doesn't seem any different, design plan seems non sensical too,
it starts out fine, with accurate weapon list, but then out of sudden puts
prototype modernized Serbian MBT that haven't entered into service yet,
and it is questionable if it will, maybe at best in symbolic quantities.

Then at top of everything we have Serbian Army from the year 2025
to fight Shiptar Militia from the 90s...

Serbian faction doesn't have appeal to no one besided Serbs,
to most player base Serbian faction would seem like conventional Militia faction.

I think best option would be to make good mountainous map set in Serbia,
with unique Serbian feel to it for start.
And set Militia or Russia fighting some NATO side as placeholders.
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Old 2020-10-13, 10:52   #3
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There is no need for FAP and TAM as trucks, just make one or make Pinzgauer. Bumbar is not used and it will not be used in close future, so you can remove that from list and insted go for M79. You also placed prototype versions of M-80 and M-84. Please do not do that, go for standard old versions. In same time where are Praga and PASARS and other interesting things?

I would agree whit simeon, make map first, because that is biggest issue whit factiones. When you make map, you can focus on faction.
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Old 2020-10-13, 11:35   #4
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We get Serbian subfaction topic each month or two now it seems.
Last thread regarding SAF was from 2018, second one from 2012, development stopped in the same years.


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And we get list of what someone should make and do, and topic dies.
Sadly that was true, that's why we are committed to make this faction until its completion.

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This one doesn't seem any different, design plan seems non sensical too,
it starts out fine, with accurate weapon list, but then out of sudden puts
prototype modernized Serbian MBT that haven't entered into service yet,
and it is questionable if it will, maybe at best in symbolic quantities.
Regarding that MBT, M-84 modernization program is priority to Serbian MOD, and modernization is expected soon to begin.

All M-84 tanks will be modernized, and there will be no symbolic quantities.

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Then at top of everything we have Serbian Army from the year 2025
to fight Shiptar Militia from the 90s...
I haven't mentioned 90's in this thread, please read the thread once more.

KLA is still active and its not disbanded in any way.

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Serbian faction doesn't have appeal to no one besided Serbs.
Well i can say that it doesn't appeal to you croats for sure.

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To most player base Serbian faction would seem like conventional Militia faction.
SAF cannot be seen as militia in any way.

Clearly you do not know the definition of "Militia". Google that term.


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I think best option would be to make good mountainous map set in Serbia,
with unique Serbian feel to it for start.
Noted.

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And set Militia or Russia fighting some NATO side as placeholders.
There is no need for that.

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Old 2020-10-13, 12:33   #5
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There is no need for FAP and TAM as trucks, just make one or make Pinzgauer.
FAP and TAM trucks are both used by SAF regularly, they are both already being made. Although there is option of two FAP2026 variants being used, one with and one without the rain cover.

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Bumbar is not used and it will not be used in close future, so you can remove that from list and insted go for M79.

Bumbar is being used by SAF from 2012. Nearly a decade passed since its adoption.

There is no need for M-79 Osa.

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You also placed prototype versions of M-80 and M-84. Please do not do that, go for standard old versions. In same time where are Praga and PASARS and other interesting things?
There is no need for Praga and Pasars, since they are primarily Anti-Aircraft vehicles.

M-84 and M-80 are already in the process of modernization, although we could re-texture T-72 and call it M-84. But our primarily focus is on the modernized version.

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I would agree whit simeon, make map first, because that is biggest issue whit factiones. When you make map, you can focus on faction.
We can't work on a faction and map at the same time. When faction gets finished, we can start working on a map.

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Old 2020-10-13, 13:32   #6
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Hopefully this faction will see the light of day one time, why being so negative and bashing him and his faction... Pretty sad indeed. Hope that you have people really ready to work on that and help you there if so; looking foward to hear some good news about it in a near or distant future


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Old 2020-10-13, 14:50   #7
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FAP and TAM trucks are both used by SAF regularly, they are both already being made. Although there is option of two FAP2026 variants being used, one with and one without the rain cover.
I would say making only versions of FAP is much easier job. There is no need to spam models of trucks and waste time and energy which you can use for more important assets and most importantly maps.

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Bumbar is being used by SAF from 2012. Nearly a decade passed since its adoption.
Bumbar was never used by SAF, because production of it was never started, because SAF changed there specification for system after they adopted it which lead to termination of holl project in like 2015/2016 and development of new radio Malytka. Again, do not put paper designs in game, it will not improve faction at all. Stick to things we have in active service right now. Only ATGM SAF has are many versions of Malytka and Fagots that are stored in reserve and probably out of service because missile fuel is to old for safe use of Fagots today.

That is why I am suggesting M79 Osa, as it is used by SAF and it could fill HAT kit for faction.

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There is no need for Praga and Pasars, since they are primarily Anti-Aircraft vehicles.
They are iconic. Imagine driving whit Praga around map whit some 90' music You know exacly one

Also, why do not put SAF against other BLUFOR and OPFOR factions? SAF against Germany , Dutch, UK and many other factions.

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M-84 and M-80 are already in the process of modernization, although we could re-texture T-72 and call it M-84. But our primarily focus is on the modernized version
Again, we do not have final versions of M-80 and M-84 to even use as base for making models (there are 2 different versions of each vehicle right now)!!! Better thing in this situation is to focus on base models that are used and wait for MoD to desied final design and then make it in game. If you make it right now, you can easily end up whit paper design which is not used.

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We can't work on a faction and map at the same time. When faction gets finished, we can start working on a map.
I would say that is wrong way around, because ultimately future of faction is determined by maps. Good maps are most important thing in holl project. Assets can come later one by one as they are finished.
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Old 2020-10-13, 21:19   #8
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If you're making Serbian maps where they fight NATO forces, do not forget to include fake armored vehicles and military buildings with a laze on them.

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Old 2020-10-14, 10:00   #9
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Would be great to see a militia faction. More of the slavic militia like wars. I wish you the best of luck.
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Old 2020-10-14, 22:23   #10
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1. Last thread regarding SAF was from 2018, second one from 2012, development stopped in the same years.

2. Regarding that MBT, M-84 modernization program is priority to Serbian MOD, and modernization is expected soon to begin.

All M-84 tanks will be modernized, and there will be no symbolic quantities.

3.I haven't mentioned 90's in this thread, please read the thread once more.

KLA is still active and its not disbanded in any way.

4.Well i can say that it doesn't appeal to you croats for sure.

5.SAF cannot be seen as militia in any way.

Clearly you do not know the definition of "Militia". Google that term.

6.There is no need for that.
1. Then there were revivals of old Serb faction threads then that I mixed up as a new threads.

2. They say lot of things, such as making Orao in strike aircraft shooting precission weapons...
I wish they can finish all of these ambitious projects, but Serbia has almost 300
of these tanks, much richer countries struggle with such massive modernization tasks.
And there's hundreds of M80s too...

Also, if someone actually starts making some progress on Serbian faction,
would it be possible to loan some assets from OPK2 mod? German faction has several
vehicles from OPK2, also MEC uses Gazella from OPK2?
It would spare lot of time to the modders, because OPK has really nice M80, M84, Orao etc.

3. You did with the mentioning of KLA, they don't exist anymore, most of their leaders are
alive and well today yes, but they changed military uniforms for suits.
Also, as a Serb, why would someone waste time to make Shiptar faction,
if Sqiptars want it in game, let them make it themselves.
If I'd make anything close to it, I'd made some generic
Balkan insurgent faction, which can represent whattever scenario needs it to,
they can be Shiptars on one map, Raska insurgents on other, or Jihadists from Bosnia on third... And they would be nice excuse to giving Insurgent faction some vintage Yugo weapons, such as M53 (MG42 License Built), or M48.

But ask me, I think Serbian faction would do just fine fighting Marines, Bundeswehr etc.

4. I'm Serb. I was just trying to be unbiased. In my opinion Serbian faction would fit PR
really really well, and it would be more interesting to play than lot of factions most people
forgot they were in game.

5. I mean't Milita faction from PR, because for some people from other part of the world
Serbian faction would seem similar to Militia faction, but plus helicopters.

6. Well if you can finish map and faction at the same time then all the better.
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