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Old 2014-12-22, 21:48   #1
jakethompson92
Default Rationale behind insurgents not being able to steal blufor kits?

Hi all,

Long time player (since .5).

I was just wondering what is the rationale behind insurgents not being able to steal kits of fallen blufor players?

It makes sense that blufor players can't steal weapons used by insurgents (nor would they want to in most cases), but what is the reason for insurgents not being able to steal kits?

In real life, insurgents do this all the time. From a gameplay perspective I think it makes a lot more sense to let insurgents steal blufor kits. Having to look out for infiltrators creates a lot more tension and giving insurgents some scoped rifles evens out the odds, IMHO.

So what gives?
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Old 2014-12-22, 22:35   #2
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Its been talked about extensively in the past. You could probably find an answer by using the forum's search tools


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Old 2014-12-22, 22:38   #3
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The case, if you remember was that after a while you could have a team full of insurgents with scoped weapons. And the blufor actively not taking scoped kits. But that's not the only reason. Also because of some kits absolutely need special training. For examle the SRAW. And think of the ammo problem, surely an insurgent couldn't go to his main and get another SRAW? If the coders could prevent this they would, I am sure, but good old refractor you know...

Then there case with regular kits. Apart from the ammo issue you could argue the best you want why all kits are now "locked" or before when only certain kits were "locked" you could argue why some kits were locked and some don't.

And also up for a discussion, did this really solve the issues? I still see (and have done myself) picked an enemy sniper kit, zoom in, shoot and then pick up my old kit. And it sort of works, its only harder than it was before.

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Old 2014-12-23, 00:20   #4
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Basically what sweedensniiperr said:

- Picking up a gun is easy, but in this game this automatically means access to infinite ammunition of that weapon from realistically unsuitable sources

- While in real life, lost equipment can be replaced, in-game a limited kit that was lost is lost until the new owner dies and the kit despawns. This is not very realistic, as these things would not be quite as limited in real life as they are in the game.

- Propotions. A single gun is not very important in real life, but a single scoped rifle makes a big gameplay impact in-game because of the scaled-down nature of everything. The amount of combat seen by a single soldier is scaled up for more fun, and the amount of equipment is scaled down because of game design / player count limitations. So more lost guns per hour, and less guns per team. Would not take long for the entire insurgency to be inadequately well equipped.

- Then the training aspect for specialist weapons, takes some knowledge to handle a few, though admittedly that's the least of the concerns as figuring that out isn't impossible. But:

- Effectiveness of weapon usage. Using an unfamiliar weapon platform, while not generally impossible, should realistically yield worse results. Guns are balanced not only for their real life properties, but also for the skill of the presumed user - sniper rifles for instance are balanced to cause more damage than battle rifles using the same caliber, because of presumed higher marksmanship skill. This skill would be lacking by the insurgent who picks up the unfamiliar weapon.

Hope that's a few reasons you can agree with


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Old 2014-12-23, 00:48   #5
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@sweeden
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The reverse is also true. Sometimes on some maps an Insurgent AK47 is alot more valuable than a scoped M16. Like Insurgency Pre 1.0, when sneaking and stealth were that much more important.

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Old 2014-12-23, 04:43   #6
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So the way I see it, this limitation definitely makes sense for ATGMs and MANPAD systems. Insurgents don't have steady access And the whole "enemy team full of blufor-rifles" makes sense too.

BUT, I don't think the "where will they get 5.56 ammo?" is a big problem, realistically speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxumsOQMxLE

5.56 ammo is not hard to come by in the third world. There are large stocks of m16a1s floating around the middle east, and we've all seen videos of ISIS militants using m16a4s stolen from iraqi armories. Russia and China both produce 5.56 rifles and ammo, and the US, UK, France, and Gulf States sell or give 5.56 rifles and ammo to groups that they like.
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Old 2014-12-23, 09:56   #7
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I thought it was because name tags no longer show above peoples heads all the time like in previous versions.

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Old 2014-12-24, 23:18   #8
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That's one reason I forgot to list.

What I listed was why it was introduced in the first place (and, indeed, at first only for special kits).

The fact that picking up a gun means picking up the outfit, too, adds to the issue, especially now that nametags are nearly nonexistant. But that's just one more aspect of it.


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Old 2014-12-25, 01:05   #9
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I thought the biggest issues were what Spec just listed and that if an enemy picks up a limited kit (medic, HAT anything else) the kit does not respawn/cannot be used if the enemy has it in their hands.
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Old 2014-12-25, 05:53   #10
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it was still more fun though
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