Muttrah Alternative Layout

[WingWalker]

I know this is a redundant post, but MEC getting beaten like this seems to be happening all the time now.

Played multiple rounds of Muttrah tonight on different servers, they were won in less than 30mins ending with MEC with no spawn ability after the second to last flag.

I think the last round MEC still had over 400 tickets when they couldn't spawn anywhere while still having fortress.

[[R-CON]​Frontliner]

Not even 2 hours before you wrote this, we won as MEC by outcapping the US. The MEC team was better, granted, but it's not like I've only seen the map being won by MEC if they had all the good players in it. And to be honest, we played real fucking conservative in the beginning, which is not something I recommend doing as MEC to begin with.

It's a simple matter of playing skillfully. If you're getting curbstomped all the time(and it's not because the enemy team is stacked to shit), then I would argue the correct approach would be to examine what exactly the cause of the losses are, that is more effective than bitching it can't be done when, in fact, it can and has.

But I guess complaining is a much easier thing to do.

[[R-DEV]​Rhino]

The last time I checked the stats, Muttrah was and has been for a long time before that, very well balanced with a pretty much even amount of wins for both sides, one of the main reasons why I haven't changed anything with the map is because it is so well balanced for an asymmetrical map. This data is based off all matches from all servers for that release and unless anything has changed with the core gameplay that has thrown off the map's balance largely since I last looked at it in detail (been really busy with r/l stuff to look much at it or other PR stuff), then I'm going to assume its still balanced since nothing major has changed that I can think of, and if something major did change that would throw off map balance then the mappers would have been notified.

[Coalz101]

Originally Posted by Rhino

The last time I checked the stats, Muttrah was and has been for a long time before that, very well balanced with a pretty much even amount of wins for both sides, one of the main reasons why I haven't changed anything with the map is because it is so well balanced for an asymmetrical map.

This is ridiculously true, but the map is played so much to the point where theres no variation in tactics. You can predict everyone's movements and that is kind of what made it so balanced up to this day. If you don't get good games on Muttrah is mainly up to the teams and not the assets, that's why people like it so much.

NB. This map still has invisible walls about, I'm sure we're all aware of that by now.

[[R-DEV]​Rhino]

Originally Posted by Coalz101

NB. This map still has invisible walls about, I'm sure we're all aware of that by now.

Do you mean at the edge of the map where it joins with the surrounding terrain? Ye I know about them, not much that can be done about it as it's the engine bugging out.

[[R-DEV]​AlonTavor]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Do you mean at the edge of the map where it joins with the surrounding terrain? Ye I know about them, not much that can be done about it as it's the engine bugging out.

Somewhere in D13 I think? Something weird there, not exactly on the egde. Saw it a couple of times

[Coalz101]

Originally Posted by Rhino

Do you mean at the edge of the map where it joins with the surrounding terrain? Ye I know about them, not much that can be done about it as it's the engine bugging out.

Yeah, the deadly one is just west of MEC Fortress, a low flying huey can hit it easily.

[WingWalker]

Originally Posted by Rhino

This data is based off all matches from all servers for that release and unless anything has changed with the core gameplay that has thrown off the map's balance largely since I last looked at it in detail

I'm not sure it would upset balance to keep the fortress spawnable.

It would just give MEC some ability for a comeback, or at least to put up a fight, like if the U.S. is at docks, they can still try to come back or fight until the tickets bleed out.

[Death!]

I was thinking about a destroyed Muttrah (Grozny style) last night.

But I don't think we have destroyed T-Buildings on asset repos, do we?

[UncleSmek]

Keep STD and ALT as they are. ALT is classic which also fits 30v30.
Any new Changes should be done with LRG.

This also fits into the LRG profile where mec can get a lot more assets to match US.
Maybe AAV? etc.

As it pertains to something special.. we can maybe just create another Muttrah map? Like Muttrah 2 and play around with those layers changing dod etc.

Good idea nightinggale..