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Old 2010-12-05, 17:04   #1
Yett71
Unhappy My First Day On PR (Thoughts and Help Please)

Hello, So i downloaded and after many glitches and reinstallation's i managed to get into a game.

Im not gonna lie the game is very good, and very realistic. However there is sooo much to learn i understand im gonna be here for a while learning everything. This is my thoughts on the game. (I Joined different servers so my points arent Biased)

1. Only 60% Work at a team. The other 40% do Lone Wolf all the time. (Kinda ruined it for me) Today i was new so i was following my squad leader, he gets into an ACP and drives off and leaves me in the middle of nowhere .. maybe its an isolated incident, but i seen a lot of people not working as a team.

2. Very hard to communicate. If you dont have a headset... its rather impossible to communicate which is annoying .. They could add some more speech stuff. Also if your on insurgents then when they request medic or something, the text doesn't appear so you have to kinda learn the language the soldiers speak in.

3. I dont understand how spotting works... or is it broke? Or is it just meant to be like that? When im looking at an enemy i press 'Q' and click contact and it doesnt spot them on the radar... The only things it spots on the radar is helicopters and planes. (This is very annoying .. i dont understand why this is like this)

4. Sometimes when your in the middle of nowhere with no transport ... walking is very boring and no one at all on your team will pick you up.. even they drive past you. It gets annoying having to walk.

5. This maybe just me cause im a n00b but i never know where someone is firing from and by the time i get some idea i get shot. Very annoying for a new player.

6. No one ever heals me Dunno why...

7. No one ever does what i thought they would do.. Plan what there gonna do and then do it afterwards.

8. No one ever helps n00bs ... they just are like 'Read the manual' which i have done a lot of times.

9. Also i dunno why i had the Pilot Kit and got in a chopper and it said 'You cannot Use this seat' i was confused.

10. Some kits i pick up the game yells at me 'YOUR NOT ALLOWED IT DROP IT'

Confused :S


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Old 2010-12-05, 17:08   #2
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Read it one more time and you will know why the contacts do not show on the map. And bro tip: if you're being shot at fall for cover before you try to return fire.
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Old 2010-12-05, 17:23   #3
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Hey Yett.

PR is a very different game from many others and has a very steep learning curve for new players, but don't let that put you off since once you have climbed that curve, your never going to want to go back

1. & 2. TBH, you really need a mic. Teamwork is built on communication and with bad comms you have bad teamwork. You can get an ok headset these days for only 5 squid:
Headphones / Headsets - Headsets | Ebuyer.com
Here's an ok one with a 5 star review for 4.99? Cosonic CD-723MV Multimedia Headset with Microphone.. | Ebuyer.com
Once you have a mic, people will take you more seriously and will help you on the good servers.

3. "Spotting" is done by calling what direction its in by the compass and if you want to tell the rest of the team, calling out grid refs and the target type over team chat and even mumble but that's a bit advanced for you yet
No more "auto spotting" like in vBF2 because it can easily be exploited, just randomly spotting in places you think an enemy might be and then if there is an enemy there, the auto spot finds it even thou you didn't know it was there so ye, we removed it
The manual system gets a little bit of time to get use to but once you have got it, it isn't too bad
Just try to avoid saying things like "enemy by that tree" when in a forest

4. ye this can be an issue but get in a good server, with a good squad and your squad leader should arrange all your transport with other squads providing it with no hassle

5. In time, you will learn how to spot enemies and be the first to open up on them. The trick is to look before you walk, and sit in a spot observer the area for a little bit to see what you can see and checking the coast is clear. Also always try and stay in cover and not walking up the middle of an open street saying "look at me, I'm a perfect target!"

6. Once you get a mic, you can talk with your squad medic and then that's no problem, and if you get mumble later on and other medics are on that, they will also help you

7. Can't help you there

8. Like I said, go on a decent serve with a mic and they will help if you ask nicely, saying your new to this game, you have read the manual and you want to play as a team, you just need a bit of help here and there, if the SL says "go read the manual", try another squad

9. You sure you had the pilot kit? What kinda chopper and what seat? Shouldn't really be an issue.

10. You can't pick up enemy kits



I hope that helps, dont give up yet

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Old 2010-12-05, 17:25   #4
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1. Only 60% Work at a team. The other 40% do Lone Wolf all the time. (Kinda ruined it for me) Today i was new so i was following my squad leader, he gets into an ACP and drives off and leaves me in the middle of nowhere .. maybe its an isolated incident, but i seen a lot of people not working as a team.
True but play in a decent squad or better still decent server won't happen.

2. Very hard to communicate. If you dont have a headset... its rather impossible to communicate which is annoying .. They could add some more speech stuff. Also if your on insurgents then when they request medic or something, the text doesn't appear so you have to kinda learn the language the soldiers speak in.
Simply you've got to talk in PR, if you're mic less it may explain the above point.

3. I dont understand how spotting works... or is it broke? Or is it just meant to be like that? When im looking at an enemy i press 'Q' and click contact and it doesnt spot them on the radar... The only things it spots on the radar is helicopters and planes. (This is very annoying .. i dont understand why this is like this)
Read manual you can't spot anyone that's one of the many reasons a mic is needed

4. Sometimes when your in the middle of nowhere with no transport ... walking is very boring and no one at all on your team will pick you up.. even they drive past you. It gets annoying having to walk.
Again decent squad decent server but most of all a server that uses Mumble avoids this, ensure your team builds FOB's, or train to become a top trans heli pilot

5. This maybe just me cause im a n00b but i never know where someone is firing from and by the time i get some idea i get shot. Very annoying for a new player.

Yes we all get that, PR differs from most run n gun games in that you have to be patient and very careful, use your binoculars from cover before moving etc.

6. No one ever heals me Dunno why...

Again decent server and mumble helps hugely here.

7. No one ever does what i thought they would do.. Plan what there gonna do and then do it afterwards.

Hmmm plans change, again if you had a mic you ask your SL what's happening now

8. No one ever helps n00bs ... they just are like 'Read the manual' which i have done a lot of times.

Get a microphone first

9. Also i dunno why i had the Pilot Kit and got in a chopper and it said 'You cannot Use this seat' i was confused.

Maybe on a COOP/singleplayer server some vehicles are bot only

10. Some kits i pick up the game yells at me 'YOUR NOT ALLOWED IT DROP IT'

You can only use basic rifleman enemy kits not limited kits.

Confused :S


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Old 2010-12-05, 17:25   #5
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Welcome to the forums and the mod.

1. "you cant mod the players" is a saying here. No matter how much the DEVs put effort in to make the game realistic and teamwork orientated, at the end of the day people will still not work as a team. The best way to reduce this is playing on specific servers and with specific squads.

Servers to play on: NWA, UK Warfare , Tactical gamer . There are other good ones, but these are my personal favorites. You are going to have games where it sucks, no teamwork and the team is shit. But you will have games with excellent teamwork and it will be awesome!.

2. Using a mic isnt necessary, but it does help yes. This is just the nature of the game, with the (mostly) high amounts of teamwork a mic does help. learn to type first or buy a headset

3. This function was removed ages ago , basically its unrealistic. The Squad leader can place static spots on the map using his radio:

YouTube - PR v0.9 preview - Squad Leader Radio and Comms

As seen in this video, normal squad members cannot do this. As your new i suggest you dont squad lead for now :P

4. Again this is like with point 1. sometimes you have good games, sometimes you have bad ones. With a good team/squad walking is minimized due to FOBs being built and dedicated transport/Rally points.

5. you will get use to this, first things first just take cover.. intill you get use to it take cover and let your more experienced squad mates locate it.

6. Your squad medic, which should be near you 99% of the time should and will heal you.

7. Dont quite get this point?

8. Ingame people are playing, most cant be assed to discuss stuff and want to play the game, posting on the forum was the best thing as you will get better info.

9. not sure about this? when you requested the kit you picked it up with 'G' yes ?

10. You cant use enemy specialist kits (snipers, Heavy AT, Machine gunner) this is to simulate your player not having the appropriate training/experience with such weapon or the ammo to reload it.

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Old 2010-12-05, 17:25   #6
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Get on the good server, which require teamwork like PRTA or TG.

About communicating - it's obvious that you can't communicate well without VoIP, that's its purpose, commands ingame are just for fast shouts like frag out, etc. Nobody uses them to communicate. Why would you want to add more when you can just say that enemy is 130, 50m on second floor window? :P

You can turn in on options that all foreign shouts will be shouted in English, wouldn't recommend putting that option on, as I already stated above Q commands are not for communicating.

EDIT:

Wow most epic ninja, 3 responses by few seconds. ><
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Old 2010-12-05, 17:28   #7
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Wow most epic ninja, 3 responses by few seconds. ><
hehe, think that kinda proves many people are willing to help, you just got to find them on the right servers

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Old 2010-12-05, 17:29   #8
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8. No one ever helps n00bs ... they just are like 'Read the manual' which i have done a lot of times.

All the other doubts wouldn't exist if you have read the manual, for exemple, the things about the kits.

[R-DEV]OkitaMakoto:"Cheers, you're the man, Okita"
[R-DEV]Rhino:"I in fact got kicked from a server for tking."
Hitperson:"well done, treasure it forever."
[R-DEV]Adriaan:"Damned classy Roma, if I may say so."
[R-DEV]Chuc:"Pro man, pro."
(yes, it was about me)
[R-MOD]BloodBane611:"Romagnolo, you definitely deserve a LOL award for that."
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Old 2010-12-05, 17:30   #9
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First of all, absolutely don't be shy to ask questions here. You'll have a lot of questions while you're new, and it's good to ask them.

It sounds like you haven't been with a good squad leader so far. A squad leader that goes off to do his own thing sucks, forget about that squad. Here's a tip. On the squad screen (where you see the squad list), if you click the squad name then all members of it will be shown in white on the map. Do that before joining a squad to see where its members are. If you see a squad scattered all over the map, chances are it's a poor squad and not working together.

In the same vein, you shouldn't really be finding yourself alone in the middle of nowhere. If you can't stick with your squad because they are all over the place or ignore you, find a different squad.

You're not allowed to use enemy specialist kits, only their basic rifleman kits.

Oh, and in my experience, teamplay is FAR worse as insurgents. Even on good servers it seems like the insurgents aren't teamplaying most of the time. I'd recommend sticking to conventional forces initially at least.

I hope you get yourself into a good squad soon to see what the game is really like. But in the meanwhile, is there any specific reason why you can't use a microphone? Communicating without it really is hard as you note. The commo rose isn't an adequate replacement and you're missing out on a lot of positive experiences by not using a mic.

EDIT: And gah at all those ninjas, like 5 replies appear while I'm typing mine...
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Old 2010-12-05, 17:34   #10
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Also start simple.

Join a squad doing infantry called "inf teamwork" or "teamwork" or "inf TW" etc etc, and keep it simple! just use a basic rifleman kit, dont request any specialist kits.

practice using armor, air assets and specialist kits on a local server against bots, then use them online.

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