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Old 2014-08-19, 19:27   #1
PatrickLA_CA

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Default APC vs. Helicopter

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the APCs have become more functional than anti air vehicles when it comes against helicopters.
1. They are too accurate
2. Their gun can look really high up and turn around really fast without losing focus or accuracy

But that is actually not so unrealistic, the real problem is the view distance.
For example in real life an Apache can hit a BMP from a range of 8km with a hellfire, and the BMP won't even have an idea of hit it. But in PR, you have to get to up to 500m close to the APC as well as stay on a low altitude of about 300-700 (depends on map) so that you can see them.
And at that distance, the APCs have superiority.

It has happened numerous times to me to fly at around 300KPH when going to kill an APC and just as soon as my gunner gets the APC in our view range, we are dead by a 2 second burst from a BMP or 30mm BTR/MTLB etc.

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Old 2014-08-19, 20:12   #2
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Can't see an incoming change since this is Project Reality and devs are obviously aiming for the highest realism, which is not even possible to get recreated in PR hence the brokenness in our very current patch.

Devs, maybe in real life BMP2M cannon will kill Apache in 2 shots, but also in real life Apache can kill BMP2M from 8 kilometers.
Just think about it,
thanks.
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Old 2014-08-19, 20:50   #3
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There will always be elements of reality that have to be sacrificed to make a well balanced game. It's still a lot easier for an attack helicopter to take out a bmp than it's the other way around. It would be unfair if it was just a flight sim with 90 people acting as clueless targets.
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Old 2014-08-19, 22:30   #4
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Can't see an incoming change since this is Project Reality and devs are obviously aiming for the highest realism, which is not even possible to get recreated in PR hence the brokenness in our very current patch.

Devs, maybe in real life BMP2M cannon will kill Apache in 2 shots, but also in real life Apache can kill BMP2M from 8 kilometers.
Just think about it,
thanks.
In-game APC autocannons have already been heavily nerfed in accuracy.

Last time I shot down a chopper with BMP-2M was from HE damage killing the pilot and chopper fell out of sky.

If you are any decent with Attack chopper; it only takes one click to instantly kill any apc.
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Old 2014-08-19, 23:14   #5
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Not when the apc can see you 200m before you see him.
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Old 2014-08-20, 00:16   #6
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Balancing that would also mean that the Armor squads are going to make sure they have an AAV alongside.

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Old 2014-08-20, 00:44   #7
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Not when the apc can see you 200m before you see him.
That's problem with your pilot.
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Old 2014-08-20, 02:40   #8
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That's problem with your pilot.
AAV have recoil (tunguska )

ATGM vehicle have recoil

APC dont

So apc are better at taking aircraft down while AAV and some ATGM vehicle are designed to take down to take down aicraft.
Its easier to take a chopper with a bmp2 than with a tunguska since there is no recoil.

Do you see the problem ?
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Old 2014-08-20, 08:11   #9
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Tunguska recoil is still way over the top indeed.

Regarding AHE vs APCs, at least the AHE pilots I know, have taken out far more Opfor APCs like BMPs than the other way around.


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but also in real life Apache can kill BMP2M from 8 kilometers.
Just think about it
For beginners, that was even possible in 0.7.
Back then, 3d markers were visible 1000m+. So while hiding behind the fow, you just shot at the marker, and with a bit luck and guidance by SQL, your missile hit the target.
As this was quite unfair, cuz fighting an invisible enemy is nearly impossible, and due other reasons, the 3d attack marker range got changed.

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Old 2014-08-20, 08:35   #10
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But that is actually not so unrealistic, the real problem is the view distance.
For example in real life an Apache can hit a BMP from a range of 8km with a hellfire, and the BMP won't even have an idea of hit it.
For beginners, that was even possible in 0.7.
Back then, 3d markers were visible 1000m+. So while hiding behind the fow, you just shot at the marker, and with a bit luck and guidance by SQL, your missile hit the target.
As this was quite unfair, cuz fighting an invisible enemy is nearly impossible, and due other reasons, the 3d attack marker range got changed.
That was more of an exploit since in r/l most AA missiles/weapons can reach out beyond 8km and with the "fog of war" exploit, AA weapons couldn't lock onto targets beyond the VD.

The real problem is we simply can't have that VD ingame since the max we could possibly have is 3kms, like on The Falklands, but on any other map performance would be seriously bad on most peoples PCs.

But like you said, most good chopper pilots can easily take out an APC before they can start shooting at them.

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