Add indicator for night qualifying maps in Map Galley

Deviro · 2022-07-20, 10:00

Night Layer or Not (v1.7.1.1)?

Did you ever want to know which AAS and INS layers are night so you don't set the wrong one and piss off your server pop? Well, me neither.

Anyways, I would love to see this small feature implemented into the map gallery. I know nobody wants to sit through all maps and check for sure if they have a night layer or not, so I did it myself.

Legend:

Day = Most visible
Night = Least visible
Morning/Evening = Less light than midday. It can for example create better opportunities to hide under the blanket of a forest.
Foggy/Lower Visibility = The view distance is intentionally reduced (sometimes by a snow/sandstorm)

Now I know some people might debate whether a certain layer constitutes as an evening or not, or light fog or not. My goal was not to log that data, but case after case I started to wonder which circumstances actually impeded visual clarity the most. In any case - the night versions seems to create the biggest division within the community whether they have utility.

Just the Night Layers:

Spoiler for refineddata:

All Data (including some old maps I had in my folder):

Spoiler for rawdata:

And yes, this does not include Skirmish, CnC and GunGame. If I have write one more time "Inf, Alt, Std, Lrg" on a spreadsheet monkaW!

I can't wait for this information to become absolutely uselss when v1.7.1.1.1 comes out. But until then.

Grump/Gump.45 · 2022-07-21, 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviro

Night Layer or Not (v1.7.1.1)?

Did you ever want to know which AAS and INS layers are night so you don't set the wrong one and piss off your server pop? Well, me neither.

Sure have layout indicator. Most night maps are voted for though. The things to not like about night maps, like visibility, confusion or actual screen darkness, most 1 word problems have simple 1 sentence solutions. Friendly stay in view of each other, don't wander off then come back cause we might shoot somebody walking towards us(visibility and confusion gone right there). Some things aren't even solutions, its just facts, if the enemy shoots it lights up with muzzle flash. Night maps are a great time to learn new methods to compensate for visibility. Hopefully indicator leads to more night map play.

But now this is where we separate the challenged folks, this is part of what they actually say and the way they think/feel. "Yeah the enemy shot, I saw muzzle flash but I don't know where he went, if he stayed there or moved.. The muzzle flash didn't stay long enough for me to aim.. I need to Call of Duty style see the target. I'm not wasting my ammo in my kit just lighting up the area around that, I need to save my ammo because I will use it all before I die or not be able to find another kit with ammo." (Nobody uses all their ammo before dying and there is plenty of kits off dead guy.. You light it up like a Michael Bay movie)

Night/Day votes means get rid of the kids who play open desert maps like its easy difficulty compared to make room for the forest/jungle night map "Veteran" difficultly players. It used to be like all desert maps we used to play. Its already day maps 90% or more of the time. Only complaints we see are those people staying demanding admins change the map in all chat.

My only concern is this would cater to the small segment of complainers who don't like night maps. They have no self-awareness in many senses, for example they demand admins change night maps in all chat, to the point of annoying the admin and players annoyed by these anti-night map types of complainers mere existence. They troll/grief, get their way 90% of maps played, other behaviors they get banned for, but somehow think they could be entitled to demand or ask for night map change. That fact is annoying, they are annoying. Even though night gets played at a fair rate to them. They dish out enough crap.

Lets not confuse entire server population with a few complainers in all chat. They are not the majority of people who can sit through it and adapt to night conditions. The people who complain are those already intellectually struggling in the first place, they don't realize night maps are more fun cause of the darkness, cause of the challenge, which is why we do night maps at the rate we do.

Why they complain rather than play... Its a whole subconscious psychological complex of character, the challenge is uncomfortable for them, things need to cater to them, entitlement, they try to cultivate an image of their opinion about night maps being majority by being loud/obnoxious/spamming. Damaged ego from lack of skill in face of the challenge. Refusal to participate but holding a server slot from somebody else.

They don't care they do this to others either even if they realize the impact. Its all about them, read them and lets not cater to them further. They are being toxic annoyance to admins in all chat about something the rest of the server voted for cause its interesting.

Any effort to change the way they play, including normal daytime teamwork of assets somehow without any merit to the statement "takes the fun away". Requires actual brain power beyond picking kit/spawning/looking around like all other FPS game.

We play through their same maps they vote for everyday, the only map names they know, they can sit through one of ours or make room. Its these same people who dish out trolling, hate, annoyance to other players but can't take anything back against getting their way. This goes for maps they play. So un-aware of themselves being this way to others, they annoy the admins in all chat.

Would love an indicator to know if a map is eligible for a Night/Day vote.

[R-DEV]UTurista · 2022-07-21, 17:00

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Originally Posted by Deviro

Anyways, I would love to see this small feature implemented into the map gallery. I know nobody wants to sit through all maps and check for sure if they have a night layer or not, so I did it myself.

I'm open for UI suggestions.
The issue I see is that the gallery's first page is just maps and not layouts, meaning there's no clear way of showing this information without having to open each map individually.

Doing a quick mock, this is the best I can imagine is having a toggle button that switches between grid (current) and list (new UI).

Deviro · 2022-07-21, 18:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by UTurista

I'm open for UI suggestions.

In terms of UI suggestion - a simple moon crescent, sun, cloud, wavy line for fog icons could be placed on the top left, like this:

Your idea of having a list view of maps is also nice. You could add a link on individual layers and it takes you to that layer. I also hate wasted space (I know it's just a mock up), so tightening everything would allow for more maps to be seen.

The sky is the limit really.

I will think of some more solutions and report to you back.

WingWalker · 2022-07-21, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviro

Night Layer or Not (v1.7.1.1)?

Did you ever want to know which AAS and INS layers are night

Yes please.

Honestly night layers seem cool, but if you have any light in your home or a windows it just sucks.

I know you can use Gamma, but I don't mess with it.

Maybe if you had 2 modern factions fighting each other with NVG's it would be cool.

Visibility is always one of my pet peevs in PR, like having irons vs optics, and I have a nice monitor set up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviro

Legend:

Day = Most visible
Night = Least visible
Morning/Evening = Less light than midday. It can for example create better opportunities to hide under the blanket of a forest.
Foggy/Lower Visibility = The view distance is intentionally reduced (sometimes by a snow/sandstorm)

Don't really care about other light levels.

Grump/Gump.45 · 2022-07-22, 01:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingWalker

Yes please.

Honestly night layers seem cool, but if you have any light in your home or a windows it just sucks.

I know you can use Gamma, but I don't mess with it.

Maybe if you had 2 modern factions fighting each other with NVG's it would be cool.

Visibility is always one of my pet peevs in PR, like having irons vs optics, and I have a nice monitor set up.

Don't really care about other light levels.

Those other light levels are important to me. View distance can help me conceal myself with assets. Weather is important. METT-TC (Mission, Enemy, Terrain/weather, troops/support available, Time considerations, Civil considerations). Weather is important to me in positioning of things and engagement ranges.

I could have 2 super FOBs covering a defense flag then tanks concealed further away pulling security while waiting as quick reaction force ready to support the 2 TOW missiles against enemy armor. They don't hunt, we set up super FOBs as bait that are threat to enemy armor.

Imagine 2 TOWs plus 4 tanks, a Bradley. That is a lot of fire power.

[R-DEV]UTurista · 2022-07-22, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviro

In terms of UI suggestion - a simple moon crescent, sun, cloud, wavy

Task created: https://github.com/realitymod/PRGallery/issues/28
Now lets see how long it will take to arrange time.

Deviro · 2022-07-22, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by UTurista

Task created: https://github.com/realitymod/PRGallery/issues/28
Now lets see how long it will take to arrange time.

What do you think about adding more categories?

I know going too granular would defeat the point of categorizing these maps into terrain types but I would also suggest adding more than one category to some maps. For example: Burning Sands would be a desert and a city map. Saaremaa would only be a woodland map even though there are small vilages.

Spoiler for tihi:

Woxbel · 2022-07-22, 17:42

I messed about with the code in Firefox a bit what about something like this.

Greying it out meaning layer doesn't exist and sun and star for dark or not.
Ofc you can make it look better this is just some quick code to give a view of how it could look.

[R-DEV]UTurista · 2022-07-22, 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deviro

What do you think about adding more categories?

The issue is that you'll very quickly reach a point where noone will agree with categories should fit which map.
But that if a topic for another time, I'm going to design the system to be flexible, then its just a matter of adding "tags".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woxbel

I messed about with the code in Firefox a bit what about something like this.

This was the same design we arrived internally, nice.

2022-07-20, 10:00	#1
Deviro Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 73 United Kingdom	Add indicator for night qualifying maps in Map Galley Night Layer or Not (v1.7.1.1)? Did you ever want to know which AAS and INS layers are night so you don't set the wrong one and piss off your server pop? Well, me neither. Anyways, I would love to see this small feature implemented into the map gallery. I know nobody wants to sit through all maps and check for sure if they have a night layer or not, so I did it myself. Legend: Day = Most visible Night = Least visible Morning/Evening = Less light than midday. It can for example create better opportunities to hide under the blanket of a forest. Foggy/Lower Visibility = The view distance is intentionally reduced (sometimes by a snow/sandstorm) Now I know some people might debate whether a certain layer constitutes as an evening or not, or light fog or not. My goal was not to log that data, but case after case I started to wonder which circumstances actually impeded visual clarity the most. In any case - the night versions seems to create the biggest division within the community whether they have utility. Just the Night Layers: Spoiler for refineddata: AAS: Battle of Ia Drang - Inf - Night Dovre - Alt - Night Fields of Kassel BETA - Lrg - Night Fools Road - Inf - Night Goose Green - Inf - Night Korbach Offensive BETA - Lrg - Night Merville - Inf - Night Nuijamaa - Inf - Night/Lower Visibility Omaha Beach - Lrg - Night Tad Sae Offensive - Inf - Night The Falklands - Inf - Night The Falklands - Alt - Night INS: Sbeneh Outskirts - Std - Night All Data (including some old maps I had in my folder): Spoiler for rawdata: AAS: Seven Gates - Std - Day Adak BETA - Alt - Day Adak BETA - Std - Day Adak BETA - Lrg - Day Airport - Std - Morning Al Kufrah Oilfields - Alt - Day Al Kufrah Oilfields - Std - Day Asad Khal - Alt - Day Asad Khal - Std - Day Ascheberg BETA - Inf - Day Ascheberg BETA - Alt - Day Ascheberg BETA - Std - Day Ascheberg BETA - Lrg - Day Assault on Grozny - Inf - Day Assault on Grozny - Alt - Day Assault on Grozny - Std - Day Assault on Mestia - Std - Day Bamyan - Alt - Day Bamyan - Std - Day Bamyan - Lrg - Day Basrah Retro - Alt - Day/Fog Basrah Retro - Std - Day/Fog Battle of Ia Drang - Inf - Night Battle of Ia Drang - Alt - Day Battle of Ia Drang - Std - Day Beirut - Inf - Day Beirut - Alt - Day Beirut - Std - Day Beirut - Lrg - Day Bijar Canyons - Inf - Day Bijar Canyons - Alt - Day Bijar Canyons - Std - Day Bijar Canyons - Lrg - Day Black Gold - Inf - Day/Fog Black Gold - Alt - Day Black Gold - Std - Day Black Gold - Lrg - Day Brecourt Assault - Alt - Day/Light Fog Brecourt Assault - Std - Day/Light Fog Burning Sands - Inf - Morning Burning Sands - Alt - Day Burning Sands - Std - Day Burning Sands - Lrg - Day Carentan - Alt - Day Carentan - Std - Day Carentan - Lrg - Day Charlie's Point - Std - Morning Daqing Oilfields - Inf - Day Daqing Oilfields - Std - Day Desert Storm - Std - Day/Fog Dovre - Inf - Day/Fog Dovre - Alt - Night Dovre - Std - Day Dovre Winter - Inf - Day/Fog Dovre Winter - Alt - Day/Fog Dovre Winter - Std - Day Dragon Fly - Inf - Day Dragon Fly - Alt - Day Dragon Fly - Std - Day EJOD Desert - Inf - Day EJOD Desert - Alt - Day EJOD Desert - Std - Day Fallujah West - Std - Day Fields of Kassel BETA - Inf - Day Fields of Kassel BETA - Alt - Day Fields of Kassel BETA - Std - Day Fields of Kassel BETA - Lrg - Night Fools Road - Inf - Night Fools Road - Alt - Day Fools Road - Std - Day Fools Road - Lrg - Day Gaza - Inf - Day Gaza - Alt - Day Gaza - Std - Day Goods Station - Std - Evening/Foggy Goose Green - Inf - Night Goose Green - Alt - Day Goose Green - Std - Day Gulf of Oman - Alt - Day Gulf of Oman - Std - Day Hades Peak - Inf - Day Hades Peak - Alt - Day Hades Peak - Std - Day Hades Peak - Lrg - Day Helmands Return - Std - Day/Foggy Hill 488 - Std - Day Hills of Hamgyong - Std - Day/Foggy Inishail Forset - Std - Day Iron Ridge - Inf - Day Iron Ridge - Alt - Day Iron Ridge - Std - Day Jabal Al Burj - Inf - Day Jabal Al Burj - Alt - Evening/Lower Visibility Jabal Al Burj - Std - Day Kafr Halab - Inf - Day Kafr Halab - Alt - Day Kafr Halab - Std - Day Kashan Desert - Inf - Day Kashan Desert - Alt - Day Kashan Desert - Std - Day Kashan Desert - Lrg - Day Khamisiyah - Inf - Evening Khamisiyah - Alt - Day Khamisiyah - Std - Day Khamisiyah - Lrg - Evening Korbach Offensive BETA - Alt - Day Korbach Offensive BETA - Std - Day Korbach Offensive BETA - Lrg - Night Korengal Valley - Std - Day Kozelsk - Inf - Day Kozelsk - Alt - Day Kozelsk - Std - Day Mao Valley - Std - Day Masirah - Std - Day Merville - Inf - Night Merville - Std - Day Musa Qala BETA - Std - Day Muttrah City - Inf - Day Muttrah City - Alt - Day Muttrah City - Std - Day Nuijamaa - Inf - Night/Lower Visibility Nuijamaa - Alt - Day Nuijamaa - Std - Day Omaha Beach - Inf - Morning Omaha Beach - Alt - Morning Omaha Beach - Std - Morning Omaha Beach - Lrg - Night Operation Barracuda - Inf - Evening Operation Barracuda - Alt - Evening Operation Barracuda - Std - Evening Operation Bobcat - Inf - Day Operation Bobcat - Alt - Morning/Lower Visibility Operation Bobcat - Std - Day Operation Bobcat - Lrg - Day/Lower Visibility Operation Falcon - Inf - Evening Operation Falcon - Alt - Evening Operation Falcon - Std - Evening Operation Falcon - Lrg - Evening Operation Ghost Train - Inf - Day/Foggy Operation Ghost Train - Std - Day/Foggy Operation Marlin - Inf - Day Operation Marlin - Alt - Day Operation Marlin - Std - Day Operation Marlin - Lrg - Day Operation Soul Rebel - Inf - Day Operation Soul Rebel - Std - Day Operation Thunder BETA - Alt - Day Operation Thunder BETA - Std - Day Outpost - Alt - Day Outpost - Std - Day Pavlovsk Bay - Inf - Day Pavlovsk Bay - Alt - Day Pavlovsk Bay - Std - Day Qwai River - Inf - Day Qwai River - Alt - Day Qwai River - Std - Day Ramiel - Std - Day Ras El Masri - Std - Morning Reichswald - Inf - Day/Foggy Reichswald - Alt - Day/Foggy Reichswald - Std - Day/Foggy Route E-106 - Alt - Day Route E-106 - Std - Day Route E-106 - Lrg - Day Saaremaa - Inf - Day Saaremaa - Alt - Day Saaremaa - Std - Day Saaremaa - Lrg - Day Sahel - Inf - Day Sahel - Alt - Day Sahel - Std - Day Sbeneh Outskirts - Inf - Day Sbeneh Outskirts - Alt - Day Sbeneh Outskirts - Std - Day Shahadah - Std - Day Shijia Valley - Inf- Day/Lower Visibility Shijia Valley - Alt - Day/Lower Visibility Shijia Valley - Std - Day/Lower Visibility Shijia Valley - Lrg - Day/Lower Visibility Silent Eagle - Inf - Morning/Lower Visibility Silent Eagle - Alt - Morning/Lower Visibility Silent Eagle - Std - Day Silent Eagle - Lrg - Day Tad Sae Offensive - Inf - Night Tad Sae Offensive - Alt - Day/Foggy Tad Sae Offensive - Std - Day/Foggy Test Airfield - Inf - Day Test Airfield - Alt - Day Test Airfield - Std - Day Test Airfield - Lrg - Day Test Bootcamp - Inf - Day Test Bootcamp - Alt - Day Test Bootcamp - Std - Day Test Bootcamp - Lrg - Day The Falklands - Inf - Night The Falklands - Alt - Night The Falklands - Std - Day Ulyanovsk - Inf - Day Ulyanovsk - Alt - Day Ulyanovsk - Std - Day Vadso City - Inf - Day/Foggy Vadso City - Alt - Morning? Vadso City - Std - Morning Wanda Shan - Inf - Morning Wanda Shan - Alt - Morning Wanda Shan - Std - Morning Wanda Shan - Lrg - Morning Xiangshan - Inf - Day/Lower Visibility Xiangshan - Alt - Day/Lower Visibility Xiangshan - Std - Day/Lower Visibility Xiangshan - Lrg - Day/Lower Visibility Yamalia - Inf - Day Yamalia - Alt - Day Yamalia - Std - Day Yamalia - Lrg - Day INS: Al Basrah - Inf - Day Al Basrah - Std - Day Assault on Grozny - Std - Day Bamyan - Std - Day Dragon Fly - Inf - Day Dragon Fly - Std - Day Fallujah West - Inf - Day Fallujah West - Alt - Day Fallujah West - Std - Day Fallujah West - Lrg - Day Gaza - Inf - Day Gaza - Std - Day Iron Ridge - Std - Day Kafr Halab - Alt - Day Kafr Halab - Std - Day Karbala - Inf - Day Karbala - Alt - Day Karbala - Std - Day Karbala - Lrg - Day Kokan - Inf - Day Kokan - Alt - Day Kokan - Std - Day Kokan - Lrg - Day Korengal Valley - Std - Day Kozelsk - Std - Day Lashkar Valley - Inf - Day Lashkar Valley - Alt - Day Lashkar Valley - Std - Day Lashkar Valley - Lrg - Day Musa Qala - Inf - Day/Foggy Musa Qala - Alt - Day Musa Qala - Std - Day Musa Qala - Lrg - Day Operation Marlin - Std - Day Outpost - Std - Day Ramiel - Inf - Day Ramiel - Alt - Day Ramiel - Std - Day Ras El Masri - Std - Morning Sahel - Std - Day Sahel Vietnam - Std - Day Sbeneh Outskirts - Inf - Day Sbeneh Outskirts - Alt - Day Sbeneh Outskirts - Std - Night Shahadah - Std - Day Test Bootcamp - Inf - Day Test Bootcamp - Alt - Day Test Bootcamp - Std - Day Test Bootcamp - Lrg - Day And yes, this does not include Skirmish, CnC and GunGame. If I have write one more time "Inf, Alt, Std, Lrg" on a spreadsheet monkaW! I can't wait for this information to become absolutely uselss when v1.7.1.1.1 comes out. But until then.
Deviro Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 73 United Kingdom
	Last edited by Deviro; 2022-07-21 at 08:49..

2022-07-22, 17:42	#9
Woxbel Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 32 Netherlands	Re: Add indicator for night qualifying maps in Map Galley I messed about with the code in Firefox a bit what about something like this. Greying it out meaning layer doesn't exist and sun and star for dark or not. Ofc you can make it look better this is just some quick code to give a view of how it could look.
Woxbel Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 32 Netherlands

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