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BloodBane611
2010-11-07, 23:49
These are some bunkers I knocked up for [R-DEV]AfterDune for a future Dutch forces map:

Front
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8967/bf22010110717573092.jpg
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8517/bf22010110717574937.jpg

Back
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3966/bf22010110717580929.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2294/bf22010110717582029.jpg

That's my test map, slightly adjusted to look like a little like this reference shot:
http://www.oorlogsmusea.nl/upload/2648090303194759.JPG

Sniper77shot
2010-11-09, 23:19
Nice job on those they look awesome!

HangMan_
2010-11-09, 23:26
Nice :D Look forward to having a good run around them ingame

Spartan0189
2010-11-09, 23:44
Very nice, looking forward to seeing them being used :P

Adriaan
2010-11-09, 23:47
Looks good! See these quite often :)

Zulnex
2010-11-10, 00:20
Looking very nice.8) Keep up the excellent work.

goguapsy
2010-11-10, 00:49
I can see some epic marksman fire from inside by Dutch/Russian forces and thermals checking every window.

Tim270
2010-11-10, 02:03
Destructible?

AfterDune
2010-11-10, 06:21
I can see some epic marksman fire from inside by Dutch/Russian forces and thermals checking every window.
What window? Those things have no windows :p.



And no, that thing is not destructible.

DeltaFart
2010-11-10, 06:41
BloodBane611;1485197']These are some bunkers I knocked up
must have hurt like hell!
looks cool!!!

Pronck
2010-11-10, 07:06
Lol that bunker looks like one from WWII or the cold war.

Glimmerman
2010-11-10, 07:31
They are called Kazemat or Casemate bunkers in English, they are WW2 remnants still found in farm fields and forrests across the Netherlands today.

Awesome work bloodbane! :D

black-wolf
2010-11-10, 08:13
Waterlinie? ;)

AfterDune
2010-11-10, 08:16
Lol that bunker looks like one from WWII or the cold war.
That's because they are :lol:

-|Tactic|-Japsen
2010-11-10, 08:44
Nice :D

cyberzomby
2010-11-10, 09:11
Excellent! :D Also see them around the area I'm in. Very nice. They look really realistic :D

robbie3211
2010-11-10, 11:42
We have a lot of those in Belgium aswell :D been in them too when I was just a kid, full of rats and bats :p

NemeanHavoc
2010-11-10, 12:04
Wow WW2 Dutch bunkers.. See those allot in Zuid-Holland.

KSL94
2010-11-10, 12:56
Awesome work !
They look a little like German WWII bunkers.

Tarranauha200
2010-11-10, 12:58
Cant wait to shoot it whit my HE rounds and notice dutch have energy shield around it.
:lol:
Anyway, looks great. Especially that rusty pipe and iron bars looks nice details.

Mr Smiles
2010-11-10, 13:05
Hmmm Bunkers.. My childhood fetish. Maybe add a coastline (a)?

Spec
2010-11-10, 13:10
Yay, a highlight :)

Nice to see a more detailed bunker static, should be of good use in and outside of dutch forces maps.

pfhatoa
2010-11-10, 13:13
They are quite cool. I would love to see more new statics in PR.

AfterDune
2010-11-10, 13:14
Hmmm Bunkers.. My childhood fetish. Maybe add a coastline (a)?
The area where these bunkers will be placed is nowhere near a coastline. There's a river though ;).

Hans Martin Slayer
2010-11-10, 13:37
Good stuff, Bloodbane. :thumbsup:

Rhino
2010-11-10, 13:46
Hmmm Bunkers.. My childhood fetish. Maybe add a coastline (a)?

Op Barra?

lucky.BOY
2010-11-10, 13:49
What was the purpose of these particular bunkers back in WWII? Because we in Czech Republic do have similar, And bunkers of this size were used generylly as a HMG empacement, hence they had windows.
So, what was the role of these two bunkers in WWII?

-lucky

Glimmerman
2010-11-10, 13:56
They served as pilboxes for HMG and fixed field guns.
also shelter from arty fire and storage of ammo.

ma21212
2010-11-10, 14:01
What are the metal hooks for (irl)?

CCCode
2010-11-10, 14:01
Yesh! Moar stuff!! :D

Glimmerman
2010-11-10, 14:15
What are the metal hooks for (irl)?

They applied camoflage netting to them.

lucky.BOY
2010-11-10, 14:44
@[R-COM]Glimmerman
then there should be gunports for there guns, yes? (for HMGs).
So we should be able to fire out from them with rifles, right?

A.Fear[3|AIU]
2010-11-10, 14:46
AWESOME looking forward**:oops:

BloodBane611
2010-11-10, 14:51
@[R-COM]Glimmerman
then there should be gunports for there guns, yes? (for HMGs).
So we should be able to fire out from them with rifles, right?

The taller bunker has a gunport covering the entrance, but it's meant for defensive fire - it has a very poor field of view.

The other has a great field of view, but the bunkers it's modeled after were partially demolished by the germans in WW II, destroying the protective steel part of the casement. They are still good firing positions, just a bit exposed.



As far as destructible goes, short of a JDAM there aren't really any weapons in PR that would bother these bunkers. Their concrete is 1-2 meters thick in most places, even 120mm tank rounds would take a fair amount of time to do anything noticeable. So given that, it's not really sensible to waste a networkable object slot on them.



I'm glad to see all the positive responses, hopefully I'll have some more statics to show off in the future :D

lucky.BOY
2010-11-10, 15:00
Thanks, Bloodbane, now I get the big picture:
The lower bunker is some sort of artilery firing position, but with its steel parts removed by germans, and the bigger bunker was used as barracs and for ammo storage, with its back door covered by a gunport, just for the last stand.
So these bunkers were not the frontline bunkers, hence they dont have gunports for HMGs and stuff. They were probably placed with the door facing away from the borders with Germany, do give the crew posibility to exit the bunker while in cover.

cheers,
-lucky

goguapsy
2010-11-10, 15:16
AfterDune;1486649']What window? Those things have no windows :p.


Wait... Are those underground bunkers, then?

Because I can see some windows... :)



EDIT: Are them destructibl0x?

Psyko
2010-11-10, 16:07
hurray! new stuff. i love new stuff. hey you can knock me up if it makes me look that awesome! :D

*buh dum tss!*

Wakain
2010-11-10, 16:29
lol that is awesome! almost all old nieuwe waterlinie(new waterline)bunkers are overgrown and sprayed with graffiti nowadays though.

apart from that hardly constructive remark I'm only positive about the implemention of some typical dutch statics;)

KingLorre
2010-11-10, 16:39
Near a river... Mmmmh where could this be :P

Iv always wanted to make some sort of a Zwolle map, with the Ijsel and all that and the ww2 bunkers on the Hattem side.

Anyway this is some good stuff remember seeing these near utrecht and also some in Zeeland. Pretty nice :D

Pariel
2010-11-10, 16:44
Wait... Are those underground bunkers, then?

Because I can see some windows... :)



EDIT: Are them destructibl0x?

I think "windows" is a misnomer in this case. It's not a structure shaped like a house or an MG bunker. Those are large enough to, as someone said above, put an artillery piece in. Certainly taking cover in these things is possible, but they're not particularly meant as infantry-filled emplacements.

As addressed above, not destructible.

hurray! new stuff. i love new stuff. hey you can knock me up if it makes me look that awesome! :D

*buh dum tss!*

I will definitely let his girlfriend know that she has competition.

Gosu-Rizzle
2010-11-10, 21:13
This looks pretty cool, always nice to get new statics. We have alot of these here in Denmark aswell, all the way down our western coast.
http://www.hanstholmregistreringen.dk/haer_kystbatterierne/hkb_vigsoe/hkb_vigsoe_images/hkb_vigsoe_luftfotos/luftfoto_billedbladet.jpg

Edit: I havent seen any here with the metal hooks on that yours have.. But i have seen this though :razz::
http://www.24.dk/image/3419583/540x540?.cached

Click
2010-11-10, 22:43
good job, well done and looks like the real thing.

DeltaFart
2010-11-10, 22:46
OMG rosu hahhahahaah that is hilarious!

BlackMagikz
2010-11-11, 01:12
good job on the bunkers :)

ooh Gosu Rizzle it looks its high tide or the bunkers are going to be swallowed by the sea due to erosion

AfterDune
2010-11-11, 06:41
lol that is awesome! almost all old nieuwe waterlinie(new waterline)bunkers are overgrown and sprayed with graffiti nowadays though.

apart from that hardly constructive remark I'm only positive about the implemention of some typical dutch statics;)
The map will be based on the area where I live. None of these bunkers have graffiti on them ;). They are partially overgrown though.

Wait... Are those underground bunkers, then?

Because I can see some windows... :)
No, that's the entrance. And that's the only opening the large bunker has. Well, there's this hole on the top, meant for a periscope - but they never got them, so there's just a hole.. Large enough to throw a nade in mind you ;).
This large bunker is only for "shelter".


About the smaller bunker, it used to have a cupola with MG. As posted before, after the German invasion, they blew up almost all of the cupolas, rendering the piece of concrete pretty useless.

I'm sure it won't be useless in-game though, you can still "enter" it and make your own MG emplacement ;).

Wakain
2010-11-11, 12:36
The map will be based on the area where I live. None of these bunkers have graffiti on them ;)

lucky you, they look better without graffiti;)

Gosu-Rizzle
2010-11-11, 13:19
good job on the bunkers :)

ooh Gosu Rizzle it looks its high tide or the bunkers are going to be swallowed by the sea due to erosion

Yeah, many of them arent doing so great anymore. They have been there for 69 years after all. It dosent look like the Nazis build them to last forever :smile:

AfterDune
2010-11-11, 14:53
I don't know about those, but the ones here are built by the Dutch, not the Nazis. Most were built in 1939 or 1940, when the war started / was about to begin (for us anyway).

Gosu-Rizzle
2010-11-11, 17:07
AfterDune;1487542']I don't know about those, but the ones here are built by the Dutch, not the Nazis. Most were built in 1939 or 1940, when the war started / was about to begin (for us anyway).

Oh, okay. I just assumed yours where done by the Nazis since they did that many places on the western coast of Europe. (Mainly in France and Denmark)
I didnt know other European nations had time to built deffences like these before they got invaded. (We certainly didnt..)

Glimmerman
2010-11-11, 17:47
Oh, okay. I just assumed yours where done by the Nazis since they did that many places on the western coast of Europe. (Mainly in France and Denmark)
I didnt know other European nations had time to built deffences like these before they got invaded. (We certainly didnt..)

Yes that was mainly the atlantic wall, these bunkers were to defend Holland from the Nazi's

jerkzilla
2010-11-11, 18:18
Does this mean the Russians have reached Holland?

Glimmerman
2010-11-11, 18:24
i am afraid so :( its a very sad day for all of us ;)

AfterDune
2010-11-11, 19:19
I didnt know other European nations had time to built deffences like these before they got invaded. (We certainly didnt..)
Many bunkers were done very quickly. I believe the ones around Dordrecht are done much quicker than the ones in my area. Building started in 1939 or so, precaution I'd say.

Pariel
2010-11-11, 19:41
Slightly off-topic, I guess.

Were they actually used during the war?

Wakain
2010-11-11, 20:28
in some places yes, but without too much succes I'm affraid(except that one place were a wehrmacht train was delayed for almost a day I believe;))
some bunkers never saw action because the germans paradropped FJ's behind it making them obsolete in defense

Epim3theus
2010-11-12, 02:53
Slightly off-topic, I guess.
Were they actually used during the war?
Enlarged picture [War over Holland - May 1940: the Dutch struggle] (http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php?page=photo&pid=3993)
The nature of German warfare (schwerpunkte) dictates that not all of them were used, ofcourse.
So only the places the Germans thought best suited for an assault were used, once the line was broken the rest was essentially useless. Just like any rigid fortified line of defence, anyways without an offensive mobile force behind it, wich the Dutch army lacked.
Sadly while the dutch lines of defence (from the beginning 1930ies )were build, they were not deamed military terrain, small country eh, so this meant that tourists and locals alike could walk around when the soldiers were of from digging their trenches and were back at baracks. This also meant that German officers had scoped the terrain they wanted to attack with great precission, plotting the positions...
The new waterline, the traditional mainline of defence (17th century) where Afterdune is talking about, was attacked in 2 places, at the Grebbeberg and slightly to the north of that at Schepenzeel where the German assault was fenced of with relative ease.
This attack was carried out because their innitial attack at the Grebbeberg took longer than the Germans anticipated, although it held out for only 3 days in the end. Here the inudations hadn't taken place and the army wasn't allowed to clear the field of fire untill the Germans had actually invaded Holland. They managed to fall back to another old defencive line that hadn't been fortified.
The Germans had been held up at forward river lines Wakain was talking about for around a day or less by, light, thin stretched forces that lacked any artillery or air support. This line had been a compromise because of the lack of forces to occupied it, and was basically a guard to prevent a strategic coupe de gras like the one that happened in Denmark. Occupants were ordered to fall back if they could, wich proved difficult due to the lack of communications, dutch forces on many occasion relied on the civilian phone grid.

I'm not sure if your question is implying that there wasn't much fighting going on in Holland or not, but all in all in 5 days fighting 2200 died and over 8000 were wounded.

More info in English if you'd like can be found here:Welcome [War over Holland - May 1940: the Dutch struggle] (http://www.waroverholland.nl/)
Wakain might want to check it aswel.

cyberzomby
2010-11-12, 06:38
Wauw! Didnt knew there was a fight in Scherpenzeel. I only knew the Grebbenberg where my grandfather fought. I'm going to read up there as well.

Epim3theus
2010-11-12, 13:18
You may have heard of this site, Welkom - De Slag om de Grebbeberg en Betuwestelling in mei 1940 (http://www.grebbeberg.nl/), but if not, it has detailed combat reports and interviews aswel as fotomaterial of the battle and the terrain.

More extensive material on the whole of the Grebbeline can be found in the books of ret. Colonel Brongers, can be found in most libraries.

myles
2010-11-13, 15:00
Reminds me of some of the missions in MOH:Frontline

Nice job!

J.Brawn
2010-11-19, 14:02
Looks good!

Brosad
2010-11-26, 07:00
These look really nice! Can't wait to have them in-game! :D

sAueR115
2010-11-28, 07:38
Awesome man! Great job.

puzdoy
2010-11-30, 16:11
look really nice!

Doc.Pock
2010-12-01, 09:44
soo cool loking