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Chuc
2010-08-02, 05:02
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Bundeswehr_Logo.svg

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Over the past few weeks we've been kicking this faction into overdrive, and it's time to share the fruits of our labours!


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Custom Kit Geometries

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/itscoming.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/sss-3.jpg

Adapted from [R-DEV]THE.FIST's US Army Kit Geometries
Reskinning and Model edits - [R-DEV]Chuc

Primary Assault Rifle - G36A1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/g36.jpg

Modelling and Texturing - [R-DEV]ohnomelon
Modelling and Texturing for AG36 Grenade Launcher - [R-DEV]Katarn and [R-DEV]Chuc
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc and [R-DEV]Mosquill

NOTE - Dual Sight Options are not available in 0.92

Sidearm - P8

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/p8.jpg

Modelling - [R-CON]Exec
Texturing - [R-DEV]ohnomelon
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc

Personal Defense Weapon - MP7A1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/mp7.jpg

Original Modelling and Texturing - DICE
Zeiss Z-Point Modelling and Texturing - [R-DEV]Z-Trooper and [R-DEV]Chuc
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc

Light Machine Gun - MG4

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/mg4.jpg

Modelling and Texturing - [R-DEV]Kaijleor
Zeiss Z-Point Modelling and Texturing - [R-DEV]Z-Trooper and [R-DEV]Chuc
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc

Anti-Tank Capability - PZF-3

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/PZF3.jpg

Modelling and Texturing - [R-DEV]Kaijleor
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc

Sniper Rifle - G22

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/g22.jpg

Modelling - [R-CON]Exec
Texturing - [R-DEV]ohnomelon
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc

Combat Knife - KM2000

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/km2000.jpg

Modelling and Texturing - [R-DEV]ohnomelon
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc

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And to top it off, a small video preview -

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HangMan_
2010-08-02, 05:11
Looks awesome guys, great work. Really excited for the G36 :D

DeltaFart
2010-08-02, 05:18
No need for a Riflemen and Riflemen Optics hahaha, not with mosquills script
That coastguard thing is creepy as hell
What's the difference between G36 and the A1?

Excavus
2010-08-02, 05:19
Everything looks just great. What maps are they going to have on release?

bloodthirsty_viking
2010-08-02, 06:01
that zoomed in .. um.. cock is it called? is really getting on my nerves with no hand moving that lever thingy lol XD

(i forget what its called for some strange reason =/ )



EDIT: Yes, the bolt, it kinda annoys me to see the bolt moving with no hand moving it XD
thank you SPECTER

dtacs
2010-08-02, 06:06
Something tells me this faction is going to be ridiculously awesome.

Especially loving the KM2000, one badass knife :)

Questions: Will the MP7 feature with any other kits other than Crewman (assuming Crewman gets one)

Are HAT crews issued with them?

Also, which one of the PzF-3 is the HAT? The one with white writing I take it?

TommyGunn
2010-08-02, 06:13
How about disguise snipers?

3===SPECTER===3
2010-08-02, 06:14
that zoomed in .. um.. cock is it called? is really getting on my nerves with no hand moving that lever thingy lol XD

(i forget what its called for some strange reason =/ )

Bolting the rifle?

And yea i noticed that too. Not anything major in my opinion. What I would really like to know is if we will see mosquil's code for sighting the weapon 2 different ways in the next release :)
thereby allowing us to use the g36 sights to their full cappacity 8-)

BloodBane611
2010-08-02, 06:18
Wow, those look awesome! Can't wait to get my hands on the MP-7!

Rezza
2010-08-02, 06:52
Endlich! Gotta Love This!

Gore
2010-08-02, 07:25
nice pictures. the coastguard scared me.

cyberzomby
2010-08-02, 07:37
Looking good and sexy!

RELEASE_THE_KRAKEN
2010-08-02, 07:39
So as I understand it, there is a script in the works to enable the use of both sights without taking up an extra weapon slot? awesome...

This faction is looking sick

Maxfragg
2010-08-02, 07:45
no, the backup sights code will NOT be in next version (has been said in various threads allready)

Nice work, really love the look of the MG4 with the G36-like Optic

Dev1200
2010-08-02, 07:55
no, the backup sights code will NOT be in next version (has been said in various threads allready)

Nice work, really love the look of the MG4 with the G36-like Optic


So it's going to be like OPK..? lame.. =\


Links to these "Various threads"?

psychickactivity
2010-08-02, 07:56
BRAVO!!

Maxfragg
2010-08-02, 08:05
go look your self in the german forces community modding section.

i'm glad that it will be like that, since that means the german forces will not be superior to others in that point

Dev1200
2010-08-02, 08:11
go look your self in the german forces community modding section.

i'm glad that it will be like that, since that means the german forces will not be superior to others in that point


Only superiority they get is a red dot instead of irons. Think the US with acog, Brit with SUSAT, etc.

iAllex
2010-08-02, 09:11
My GOD that looks beautifull ! just beautifull :33_love: ...
Especially those 3D scopes. Man, I'v been dreaming about those ever since I saw Chuch's first proof of concept.

Sinn_Ah_Taggh
2010-08-02, 09:23
Im loving the new Mp-7,that thing is going to be awesome in CQB !!
Also the new MG4 looks great,although i hope it comes with at least some zoom capabilities :)

Btw: That Germen guy speaking is hilarious,here is the original clip:
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bosco_
2010-08-02, 09:35
Good stuff Chuc. ;)

AnimalMother.
2010-08-02, 10:16
all of it brilliant, can't wait to see this all in action

top job as always chuc

Gammlgandalf13
2010-08-02, 10:21
Everything looks just great. What maps are they going to have on release?

As far as i know it will be Jormdarreh Range, Lashkar Valley, Silent Eagle and Steel Thunder. But don't rely on my statement here, I am not a member of the team :P
Hope for many other maps with "ze" germans :D

I can't wait any longer, i want them now! :D
This release is going to be epic :>>

Amok@ndy
2010-08-02, 10:57
[R-GOD]Chuc anything more to say? :D

Darkside
2010-08-02, 11:04
Also, which one of the PzF-3 is the HAT? The one with white writing I take it?

The HAT is the Pfz 300-T600... yes, the first with the white writing :p

Booyak
2010-08-02, 11:05
The weapons look good, will they speak german in the game? Like reload! Nachladen!?

DankE_SPB
2010-08-02, 11:07
The weapons look good but why is the guy speaking english with german accent should be german.

It is simply a lolzy joke video:-)

bosco_
2010-08-02, 11:09
I guess you don't know this advertisement for Learning English

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Booyak
2010-08-02, 11:09
yes I read it now...edited my post so will they speak real german ingame?

AfterDune
2010-08-02, 11:10
yes I read it now...edited my post so will they speak real german ingame?
Of course they will, thank goodness! :D

ghostfool84
2010-08-02, 11:26
Looks awesome, cant wait till 092 comes out

myles
2010-08-02, 11:36
The gun is unbelievably detailed and i rofled at the coast guard so hard

Adriaan
2010-08-02, 11:40
Simply beautiful! German forces rock!

Hotrod525
2010-08-02, 11:50
just purely awesome !

CCCode
2010-08-02, 11:58
Awsome.

Stigma
2010-08-02, 12:07
Thank god they speak German and not that english with accent :D Really looking forward for 0.92! Btw. who gives the German forces their voices? Are the german part of Devs recording their own voices? Was wondering about that also by the other factions.

[KBC]Duke - GER
2010-08-02, 12:12
It looks great! Realy good work guys! Can´t wait to see it in action! Hope you release it tonight ;-)

Amok@ndy
2010-08-02, 12:12
atm the vBf2 voices are used

Wakain
2010-08-02, 12:13
great job devs, am looking forward to all of this, especially the wonderful g36.
just gotta love the weird heads and red noses those germans in wustentarn have;)

Amok@ndy
2010-08-02, 12:18
its not Wüstentarn but Tropentarn :D

Brainlaag
2010-08-02, 12:21
...WOW....

Wakain
2010-08-02, 12:21
seriously? I never heard that name, but wüstentarn seems pretty common on the internet, and doesn't wüsten mean desert?

edit: googled Tropentarn, gives a lot better results, another thing I've learned today, thank you:p

-|Tactic|-Japsen
2010-08-02, 12:22
Wuhu looks so good :D Wanne play the germans right now :)

Web_cole
2010-08-02, 12:22
Lookin' sexy, can't wait :D

Booyak
2010-08-02, 12:37
seriously? I never heard that name, but wüstentarn seems pretty common on the internet, and doesn't wüsten mean desert?

edit: googled Tropentarn, gives a lot better results, another thing I've learned today, thank you:p
wiki:
Bundeswehr Wüstentarn is a desert camouflage used by the Bundeswehr (German armed forces). It is the desert variant of Flecktarn and is also known as tropentarn, desert flecktarn, and fleck desert. Instead of the 5-color scheme of greens, brown, and black of temperate Flecktarn, it utilizes only three colors: a base color of khaki tan with medium brown and dark green spots.

And yes Wüste means desert, if you need good translater for single words use the google Language Tools.

Arnoldio
2010-08-02, 13:00
Ahh is that a backup sight or only the "IS" version?

Anyways, i jizzed in my pants.

Amok@ndy
2010-08-02, 13:05
Ahh is that a backup sight or only the "IS" version?

Anyways, i jizzed in my pants.

no, the backup sights code will NOT be in next version (has been said in various threads allready)

Nice work, really love the look of the MG4 with the G36-like Optic

anything more to say ?

Stealth Clobber
2010-08-02, 13:27
So according to the SV98 part of the vid (which I thank you guys for, that L96A1 had to go), is double zoom on all sniper rifles back? Seems like it would be unfair for just the SV98 to get it and not all the rest. If it is back in, I will fist pump lol.

Also, the SV98 probably has the coolest 3D scope out of all I've seen so far. That bolt cycle animation made me gasp as soon as I saw it.

jbgeezer
2010-08-02, 13:56
Very nice, looking forward to it :D

Amir
2010-08-02, 13:59
Veni !
( I came xD )

Looks nice, but the sniper is a bit too green in the video I think :(

bosco_
2010-08-02, 14:00
The green has been toned down already, it's just like that in the video.

Uthric
2010-08-02, 14:37
them scopes look like there going to be a pain in the - on none massive screens

idk thay might be ok

Nebsif
2010-08-02, 14:44
The best thing about this post 4 me were the dual sights.. till I rad that they wont be in 0.92 :D But atleast they will be in PR (One day) it seems, which is superb!

Nagard
2010-08-02, 14:50
The best thing about this post 4 me were the dual sights.. till I rad that they wont be in 0.92 :D But atleast they will be in PR (One day) it seems, which is superb!

Yep... That dual sights will be awesome!

Vision_16
2010-08-02, 15:18
Just a small observation....the hand holding the drum magazine of the MG4 in the video seemed a bit big in scale compared to the gun.

bosco_
2010-08-02, 15:24
It's fine.

ebevan91
2010-08-02, 16:38
Looks awesome. I've never looked forward to the next PR release as much as this one.

Will the combat engineer kit be using the MP7?

What about the marksman kit, what rifle are they using?

Medic? Which version of the G36 are they using?

Amok@ndy
2010-08-02, 16:41
marksman is using a G3 like the MEC Marksman

ebevan91
2010-08-02, 16:44
Amok@ndy;1404636']marksman is using a G3 like the MEC Marksman

Ahh ok. I didn't even think about that.

masterceo
2010-08-02, 17:14
^^^fix the bolt action, everything else is perfect.

bosco;1404552']The green has been toned down already, it's just like that in the video.

look up, it's on the same goddamn page.

Antonyo
2010-08-02, 17:48
Looking great as always, cant wait to play as the germans =)

jozi02
2010-08-02, 18:35
Welll it's all awesome.

But why the one on the right is drunk?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/sss-3.jpg

AnimalMother.
2010-08-02, 18:43
dunno but he looks like he has a lazy right eye

Booyak
2010-08-02, 19:17
Welll it's all awesome.

But why the one on the right is drunk?


Theres free beer in german barracks.

GeorgRavioli
2010-08-02, 20:20
I lol'd at Booyak. Great job DEVs, looking forward to the German forces and especially SV98. I saw the silencer on the gun, but it didn't seem to lower the noise much.

See you all in .92, as I'm still figuring out how to fix my Shader error without completely reinstalling PR.

DankE_SPB
2010-08-02, 20:24
Because it is not a silencer.

Daishi2442
2010-08-02, 20:46
^^^
look up, it's on the same goddamn page.

Color is not what he's talking about. The bolt does not have a hand working it. Thus it looks like the bolt is working itself. It bothers me. It bothers him. Would it be possible in any way to include a hand working the bolt for realism' sake?

Beckham
2010-08-02, 22:20
ZOMG, that MG4 with the magnified scope looks SOOO SHARP.

*Cannot wait to use.*

HOLD ME BACK, HOLD ME BACK!

(WARNING: When this player uses the Automatic Rifleman, the entire enemy team tends to complain.)

Amok@ndy
2010-08-02, 23:21
I lol'd at Booyak. Great job DEVs, looking forward to the German forces and especially SV98. I saw the silencer on the gun, but it didn't seem to lower the noise much.

See you all in .92, as I'm still figuring out how to fix my Shader error without completely reinstalling PR.

its called a muzzlebreak :P

Exec
2010-08-03, 00:18
Chuc;1404316']
Sidearm - P8

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/p8.jpg

Modelling and Texturing - [R-DEV]ohnomelon
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc

Sniper Rifle - G22

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/g22.jpg

Modelling and Texturing - [R-DEV]ohnomelon
Animations - [R-DEV]Chuc

Some confusion was made on the credits, because I modelled both the P8 and the G22.:???:
Other than that, everything looks ace!:wink:

Zulnex
2010-08-03, 00:42
Looking fantastic. Keep up the outstanding work.:thumbsup:

GeorgRavioli
2010-08-03, 00:48
Amok@ndy;1404895']its called a muzzlebreak :P

Oh ok thanks. Read on a site somewhere it was a small silencer. Good that that's cleared up :).

camo_leaf
2010-08-03, 00:52
i just jizzed my pants !

Chuc
2010-08-03, 01:28
Sorry Exec, I had to remember a lot and I was bound to forget someone :P

-=TB=-Tobakfromcuba
2010-08-03, 01:29
wondering about how they will sound ingame.

hope they dont cry " naechstes mal! " when they got shot like in FH2 :D

bravo-fab
2010-08-03, 04:32
g8t! Germans weapons is good and gut. thx for new part of news)

AfterDune
2010-08-03, 06:16
wondering about how they will sound ingame.

hope they dont cry " naechstes mal! " when they got shot like in FH2 :D
lol! So true :p.

bromley
2010-08-03, 06:58
what the hell... @ the talking german coastgaurd ;0

bosco_
2010-08-03, 12:22
Questions: Will the MP7 feature with any other kits other than Crewman (assuming Crewman gets one)


http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8273/610xnu6.jpg

:p

On a more serious note, it will.

dtacs
2010-08-03, 12:55
bosco;1405216']http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8273/610xnu6.jpg

:p

On a more serious note, it will.
I have that pic in my military pics folder and was considering posting but then was like 'nahhh, I'll get flamed for people thinking that you can have portable Mk19's' :razz:

Are you at liberty to say WHICH kits?...I just wanna rush through silent eagle spraying it :)

Chuc
2010-08-03, 12:59
You're gonna be blasting through that tiny 20 round mag in 1 1/3rd seconds :p
HAT and AA kits will also sport the PDW.

Excavus
2010-08-03, 13:22
What classes are getting the G36K? I presume the Officer? Medic?

dtacs
2010-08-03, 13:24
Chuc;1405239']
HAT
Epic, smart choice.

AnimalMother.
2010-08-03, 13:26
bosco;1405216']http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8273/610xnu6.jpg

:p

On a more serious note, it will.

that guy got dicked on

Sgt: "Who likes bratwurst?"
Soldier: "Oh I do!"
Sgt: "Well volunteered, you're carrying the GMG"
Soldier: "FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"

Amok@ndy
2010-08-03, 14:09
What classes are getting the G36K? I presume the Officer? Medic?

Paratroopers get the G36K
all others are using the G36A1

dtacs
2010-08-03, 15:23
Amok@ndy;1405292']Paratroopers get the G36K
all others are using the G36A1
So pretty much all spawn classes on SEagle?

Kill001
2010-08-03, 15:29
When will Mosquill's script be implemented for dual sight awesomeness? :D

Amok@ndy
2010-08-03, 15:37
So pretty much all spawn classes on SEagle?
not all but the most
When will Mosquill's script be implemented for dual sight awesomeness? :D
when its done !

PatrickLA_CA
2010-08-03, 15:39
Halo this is ze german coast guard.... awesome work guys, btw, how to choose range for the GL??

Kill001
2010-08-03, 15:40
Amok@ndy;1405350']when its done !

k :mrgreen:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/2780563908_03ee8162a7.jpg?v=0

Gammlgandalf13
2010-08-03, 15:40
When i first saw this Highlight, i was like..."F*** Yeah"
I was so looking forward to the Bundeswehr to appear in PR, and now we are almost there.



When will Mosquill's script be implemented for dual sight awesomeness? :D

Not in 0.92 but in a later release. I think everything can happen :)

bosco_
2010-08-03, 15:40
Halo this is ze german coast guard.... awesome work guys, btw, how to choose range for the GL??

When sighted in, use Q.

masterceo
2010-08-03, 15:56
it's from this commercial btw

YouTube - German Coast guard trainee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY)

Amok@ndy
2010-08-03, 16:00
it's from this commercial btw

YouTube - German Coast guard trainee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY)

fail... posted about 5 times already ...

Tim270
2010-08-03, 16:11
So is there still a 'free aim' on the GL?

masterceo
2010-08-03, 16:13
Amok@ndy;1405379']fail... posted about 5 times already ...

haven't seen a link on the last 4 pages.

Chuc
2010-08-03, 16:38
No UGL Free Aim will be implemented.

McBumLuv
2010-08-03, 16:57
Chuc;1405414']No UGL Free Aim will be implemented.

:confused:

No, UGL Free Aim WILL be implemented?

or

No UGL Free Aim will be implemented.

One's affirmative, one's negative. Brain thoroughly confused. :p

masterceo
2010-08-03, 17:12
I think the latter.

Arnoldio
2010-08-03, 17:21
There will be NO free aim. There.

Portable.Cougar
2010-08-03, 17:31
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/demotivational-posters-punctuation.jpg

TheAssProtectors.Nr1
2010-08-03, 17:54
This truly looks great! New faction, new weapons and all those new features! Awesome.

A big thumps up for that aiming tool for the grenade launcher! :)

JONES
2010-08-03, 22:49
Looks realy nice, cant wait to get hand on those new 3d sights :)

Daishi2442
2010-08-03, 23:02
Looks realy nice, cant wait to get hand on those new 3d sights :)

Agreed, 3-D scopes will make this game quite a fair bit more epic.

SWIZZ=claus=
2010-08-03, 23:09
Sorry, but am I the only one who thinks that theese soldiers look totally drunk :lol:? The first one looks like a dumb with an IQ below 10, the second one looks like the Doner selling man at the next corner and the last one looks like this (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_khnpt2b6Rng/SWFYtkUhBjI/AAAAAAAAAF8/nu6Mx1qoq9E/s320/Senza+titolo-2.jpg) guy after a bottle of wodka :shock: But the models and textrues look really nice, nontheless ;)

Amok@ndy
2010-08-03, 23:30
Sorry, but am I the only one who thinks that theese soldiers look totally drunk :lol:? The first one looks like a dumb with an IQ below 10, the second one looks like the Doner selling man at the next corner and the last one looks like this (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_khnpt2b6Rng/SWFYtkUhBjI/AAAAAAAAAF8/nu6Mx1qoq9E/s320/Senza+titolo-2.jpg) guy after a bottle of wodka :shock: But the models and textrues look really nice, nontheless ;)

have you ever seen german soldiers ? there are a lot of dump guys out there :P xD

SWIZZ=claus=
2010-08-03, 23:49
Each and every army has a lot of dump guys :D But why does the british army look better, and the russian, and the american? Look at Operation Peacekeeper, should've taken their faces.

Exec
2010-08-03, 23:59
Chuc;1404969']Sorry Exec, I had to remember a lot and I was bound to forget someone :P

No problems, thanks! :wink:

Nebsif
2010-08-04, 05:05
If the aimpoint sight remains the same, me thinks germans wont do good in CQB because it blocks a huge part of the screen. I said remains the same cuz m4 aimpoint used to block a big part of the screen too.
http://a.imageshack.us/img291/263/scopel.jpg

Epipen
2010-08-04, 06:26
Theres nothing reloading the bolt of the sniper rifle o.O i can't see the soldier's hand

Spec
2010-08-04, 08:36
(edit: this is regarding the G36 red dot sight)
Moving it a bit closer to the head wouldn't be bad I guess, but we'll see how it plays out.

Priby
2010-08-04, 11:20
Amok@ndy;1405736']have you ever seen german soldiers ? there are a lot of dump guys out there :P xD

No, only badasses are accepted in the BW!:)
http://www.pi-news.net/wp/uploads/2009/09/german_soldiers.jpg

But tbh the models really look a bit stereotypical german.

hall0
2010-08-04, 13:37
The weapons looking great but the faces http://www.musiker-board.de/images/smilies/thumb_down.gif

Indiegirl
2010-08-04, 14:25
http://www.bf-news.de/dimage/Heer-Feldgrau-2,125656,original.jpeg

FH wins in player models :/

DankE_SPB
2010-08-04, 14:30
fancy render <> editor screenshot

Indiegirl
2010-08-04, 14:33
DankE_SPB;1406125']fancy render <> editor screenshot

well, they look like that ingame too..

edit: like this british officer dude

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/99736663-3.jpg

bosco_
2010-08-04, 14:34
http://www.bf-news.de/dimage/Heer-Feldgrau-2,125656,original.jpeg

FH wins in player models :/

The faces Chuc posted are reskinned MEC faces, while FH2's model is fully custom. :roll:

And there are more faces than the 3 reskinned MEC ones, just look at the pic above those, there are also 'younger' soldiers in the mix.

Dougalachi
2010-08-04, 15:01
(edit: this is regarding the G36 red dot sight)
Moving it a bit closer to the head wouldn't be bad I guess, but we'll see how it plays out.

absolutely, that will be really lame if we have to look through that all the time with the red dot sight.

bosco_
2010-08-04, 15:07
Well, that isn't my problem, is it? I just said that FH has better made player models.

Yes, they made player models.


Different thing than working with already existing models and adding new kit geometries to them.

Ts4EVER
2010-08-04, 15:14
bosco;1406148']Yes, they made player models.


Different thing than working with already existing models and adding new kit geometries to them.


Well then why don't you do the same? If it looks better?

bosco_
2010-08-04, 15:24
Besides the massive amount of time and work it would take to get custom player models for all the factions we currently have and will have?

Using an existing model allows a faster workflow and the mixing of different geometries provides more variety, but if someone who actually works with them wants to expand on it he can.

Not to mention I for one am happy with the results, e.g. the US Army Kit geometries (http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3168/omgww.jpg).

I rest my case.

Chuc
2010-08-04, 15:29
Creating characters is an advanced art form and people pay big money for those kinds of skills. Unfortunately we don't get any salaries here at Project Reality..

At the end of the day would you really care if the face of a player model looked a little like another if it meant adding an additional 6 months or so to development? In this case, it's take it or leave it.

Ts4EVER
2010-08-04, 15:47
Of course not, but faces are something you just shouldn't screw up. If you cut corners on a tank and have an exhaust pipe in a slightly wrong position that's not so bad. But the human brain is specialized on recognizing faces, so even a little mistake can send the whole thing down uncanny valley. And these faces... if they'd show up in a conscription office they'd be waved through.

ebevan91
2010-08-04, 15:48
Chuc;1406165']Creating characters is an advanced art form and people pay big money for those kinds of skills. Unfortunately we don't get any salaries here at Project Reality..

At the end of the day would you really care if the face of a player model looked a little like another if it meant adding an additional 6 months or so to development? In this case, it's take it or leave it.

I don't really see what the big deal is anyways. You're not going to be staring at each other's faces the entire round, you're going to be fighting or doing whatever you're supposed to be doing, unless that includes staring at each other.

Z-trooper
2010-08-04, 15:52
Just one of the reasons why I no longer do this kind of work.

Complaints all the friggin' time, and even before having used the stuff yet.
So ungrateful. If only you guys had some idea of how many unpaid hours it takes to make the things that are in PR.

As always, if you have a problem with something (the faces) then do them yourself.

/rant

Booyak
2010-08-04, 16:14
Seriously the faces aint that bad, do you think a bundeswehr soldat needs to win germanys next top model to get into the army?

Spec
2010-08-04, 16:29
Thinking about it, I demand re-modelling of ingame characters and maille bikinis for all factions!

Hulabi
2010-08-04, 17:21
A bit offtopic but i'd like to know the very basics of modifying the kit geometries, just like the current US army ones. What programs to use, etc? I got time and i'd like to give it a shot :P /offtopic

Great work, love the German faction! :)

Amok@ndy
2010-08-04, 17:24
Nauta have a look at the Community Modding section you will find everything you need there

Jigsaw
2010-08-04, 18:33
I've just gone through this thread and awarded a couple of infractions.

Take note: Constructive criticism is welcomed and actively encouraged on these forums. Inflammatory comments and useless posts that do not contribute to a positive discussion will be removed.

Thread cleaned.

hall0
2010-08-04, 18:58
bosco;1406128']The faces Chuc posted are reskinned MEC faces, while FH2's model is fully custom. :roll:

And there are more faces than the 3 reskinned MEC ones, just look at the pic above those, there are also 'younger' soldiers in the mix.

Why have you used the MEC ones at all. They dont look very european to me. The skins from the pic above are good but the MEC noses just dont fit. 8)

dtacs
2010-08-04, 19:05
Why have you used the MEC ones at all. They dont look very european to me. The skins from the pic above are good but the MEC noses just dont fit. 8)
They're fine, honestly. Better than 2 dots and a curve with the paint tool.

Just wait till you're in game, I guarantee the last thing you're going to be noticing is the quality of the faces.

bosco_
2010-08-04, 19:37
Why have you used the MEC ones at all. They dont look very european to me. The skins from the pic above are good but the MEC noses just dont fit. 8)

Mixed in with the other available faces from Euroforce and vBF2, they provide more variety, so it's less of a clone army. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/smilies/icon_pirate.gif

Rudd
2010-08-04, 19:42
so it's less of a clone army.

yeah it would have looked something like this (http://www.cinematicwallpaper.com/movie-pictures/wallpapers/Star-Wars-wallpaper/Star_Wars_attack_of_the_clones_3.jpg) otherwise

wolfstriked
2010-08-05, 00:19
If the aimpoint sight remains the same, me thinks germans wont do good in CQB because it blocks a huge part of the screen. I said remains the same cuz m4 aimpoint used to block a big part of the screen too.
http://a.imageshack.us/img291/263/scopel.jpg

Since your eye would be much closer in real life it wouldn't feel as restrictive.Devs any way to make the CQB sight as big as the actual eye piece?Would give more FOV allowing a better feel IMO.

ChiefRyza
2010-08-05, 01:23
Creating characters is an advanced art form and people pay big money for those kinds of skills. Unfortunately we don't get any salaries here at Project Reality..

At the end of the day would you really care if the face of a player model looked a little like another if it meant adding an additional 6 months or so to development? In this case, it's take it or leave it.

Not to mention, I would be sort of freaked out if people in game were more interested in checking out each-others character's faces...

"Private, fire on that position!....Private what the hell are you looking at??? PRIVAAAATE *Grenade kills entire squad*"

StuTika
2010-08-05, 01:52
OK, firstly DEVs the 3D scopes look awesome. Seriously good work there.

Few questions though:

I always thought the G36 bolt catch was in the front of the trigger guard, so you don't have to rack the charging handle when reloading

Also, are grenadiers not allowed to keep a 40 mm round loaded? As I see the soldier removing the grenade when switching back to the rifle.

Finally, will there be any 40 round mags for the MP7 in use?

Zrix
2010-08-05, 02:04
Also, are grenadiers not allowed to keep a 40 mm round loaded? As I see the soldier removing the grenade when switching back to the rifle.
I would imagine that's standard for most armies, just that this time it's actually animated.

Excavus
2010-08-05, 03:25
OK, firstly DEVs the 3D scopes look awesome. Seriously good work there.

Few questions though:

I always thought the G36 bolt catch was in the front of the trigger guard, so you don't have to rack the charging handle when reloading


The G36 doesn't sport a bolt hold-open device, unlike the M16 and others. The thing in the front of the trigger guard is the magazine release catch.

Legion@r
2010-08-05, 07:02
...i love it that u bring the Bundeswehr into PR,but the Coastguard Video is shit.Sry,but its so.The Coastguards dont looks like Germans,they looks like Mec´s with this fat nose in there face.The German modells from Arma and Flashpoint looks like better.I hope u can do there anything...

dtacs
2010-08-05, 07:26
...i love it that u bring the Bundeswehr into PR,but the Coastguard Video is shit.Sry,but its so.The Coastguards dont looks like Germans,they looks like Mec´s with this fat nose in there face.The German modells from Arma and Flashpoint looks like better.I hope u can do there anything...
Its a joke mate, the characters aren't actually going to move their faces around like that at all.

Just wait till you see them in game, they're going to look excellent especially considering some may have ballistic glasses and goggles on (like the officer in the 'they're coming...' blog by Chuc.

Silly_Savage
2010-08-05, 07:53
"I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad..."

That if you look back through all of the posts in this thread, the majority of the negative and condescending replies all seem to come from the German player base. I would have thought that they would be excited that the Germans are getting released instead.

Ah well, such is life in this crazy world.

Conman51
2010-08-05, 08:04
Good work!!!

The Faces are fine, especially since i play on low graphics i dont really care :D

Chuc
2010-08-05, 10:32
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/ssss-2.jpg

Oh looks like our red nosed friend grew a beard!

HunterMed
2010-08-05, 10:47
MEC noses? wtf is going on here... I think I have never even saw a face while playing PR...
If you see a face you are playing it wrong people :D


Good work with that faction! looking forward to it..

ps. the coastguard video rocks :)

Priby
2010-08-05, 11:31
"I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad..."

That if you look back through all of the posts in this thread, the majority of the negative and condescending replies all seem to come from the German player base. I would have thought that they would be excited that the Germans are getting released instead.

Ah well, such is life in this crazy world.


Nagging is a national sport:p
Im sure the preview made all of them happy like kids on christmas. And i find it completely understandable that everyone wants his favorite faction as perfect as possible.
Wouldnt you think the same about the UK/US models?
The faces are a minor issue, yes, but wouldnt you say that you dont like it?
Most of the things the DEVs do are fantastic and i respect the effort they put in this mod, but praising everything wouldnt do well in the long run.
Just look at Chucs new picture. Saying that they dont like it already made it better.

Nehil
2010-08-05, 11:42
I really don't care much about the faces. All that needs to be seen is the back of a players head.

However, looking forward to playing as the germans. They have the potential of becoming my new favorite faction!

MikeDude
2010-08-05, 11:51
Since your eye would be much closer in real life it wouldn't feel as restrictive.Devs any way to make the CQB sight as big as the actual eye piece?Would give more FOV allowing a better feel IMO.


+1 this guy is right!

Rudd
2010-08-05, 12:02
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/ssss-2.jpg

http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/commandos.jpg

RUMSMURMEL
2010-08-05, 12:27
Rudd;1406836']http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/commandos.jpg

Hahaha!!!!

Spec
2010-08-05, 14:19
Hah! I was thinking just that, Rudd xD

dtacs
2010-08-05, 14:52
They have the potential of becoming my new favorite faction!
Same, the quality of this faction looks to be the best bar the Russians :smile:

Jaymz
2010-08-05, 15:33
Comparing mods as if modding itself were some sort of sport....the height of ignorance and stupidity.

Since 0.6, we have worked on/off with numerous FH2 developers towards commons goals of bettering both of our mods. We are currently blessed with the presence of a talented developer who is on both ours and the FH2 development teams.

We share a healthy relationship with FH2 and many other mods. Those who come on here saying "FH2 wins at this" or, likewise, troll their forums with "PR wins at this" are undermining the very thing that has made both mods prosper.


The weapons looking great but the faces http://www.musiker-board.de/images/smilies/thumb_down.gif

When you do this, we are forced to crack out our "tasteless feedback -to- constructive criticism" dictionaries. I am sure what you meant to say would have both portrayed your fondness of the weapons and given incentive to alter what you didn't like....

Observe,

The weapons looking great but if there's any chance you could change a few things on the faces, that would be awesome

This gets your point across and adds in a soft, polite request to have that altered if possible. Luckily for you, it would appear that Chuc has one of these dictionaries at hand and the patience to consult it.

Booyak
2010-08-05, 16:40
Chuc;1406786']http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/SirChuc/ssss-2.jpg

Oh looks like our red nosed friend grew a beard!

Nice, looks abit like the guy on the left here:
http://www.bz-berlin.de/multimedia/archive/00210/deutsche-soldaten-k_2103036.jpg

Woah btw g36 vgrip looks good. And hes got a lasersight/flashlight or something on it cool, too.

knoxious_t
2010-08-05, 16:51
Woo! my paintball team use those uniforms!

knoxious_t
2010-08-05, 16:52
when do we get to be the Lumberjack Commando Forces? ;)

wolfstriked
2010-08-05, 21:09
+1 this guy is right!

I agree also. :)

Make a circle with thumb and forefinger and put 12inches from face.Look thru it and bring it closer and you'll notice the FOV widens.They could also bring the weapon back further gaining FOV but at same time losing a huge amount of view space since the sight would cover most of the screen.Either way these devs are good at what they do and so I have faith in them.

TSPenguin
2010-08-06, 00:11
Loving the faction. This seems to me to be the most accurate depiction of german forces ever anywhere.
Thank you very much

There has been a lot of discussion about the Reflexvisier. When you use it properly, your brain fills in the gaps in your vision with the other eye and memory. Therefor, the experience is that of a red dot where you aim without there actually being a disturbing influence by the sight. It shall be proposed that it is implemented, as a red dot that fades in as the actual sight fades out.

Spartan0189
2010-08-06, 00:18
I like it, Looking forward to some interesting in-game faction nicknaming ;)

samthegreat4
2010-08-06, 23:01
The typical german accent.. ^^..
I cant wait for the faction to be released.

KP
2010-08-08, 08:26
I think you forgot someone who was involved in making the SV-98. Unless you've made a completely new model... ;)

Awesome work, as always! :D

slayer
2010-08-08, 10:57
I just jizzed in my pants, G36 ssssssooooooooo swwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttt

axel99i
2010-08-08, 16:17
seriously? I never heard that name, but wüstentarn seems pretty common on the internet, and doesn't wüsten mean desert?

edit: googled Tropentarn, gives a lot better results, another thing I've learned today, thank you:p


tHATS WRONG : its callled "STEPPENTARN" when they say " TROPENTARN " they mean the specisl clothing for SUBTROPIC Aera´s
"Flecktarn " is that 5 colour Dot Camoflage
" Steppentarn " is for Desertlike area´s

that so often called " TROPNTARN " dont exists reallyhttp://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00044.php

HughJass
2010-08-08, 22:39
bundeswehr is the best looking army out there. awesome work guys

Psyko
2010-08-09, 15:14
love the blurred depth perception. thats somthing that was left as bottom priority in the past. it really makes the image very realistic. awesome work.

ShamrockSteve
2010-08-09, 23:31
Bolting the rifle?

And yea i noticed that too. Not anything major in my opinion. What I would really like to know is if we will see mosquil's code for sighting the weapon 2 different ways in the next release :)
thereby allowing us to use the g36 sights to their full cappacity 8-)

I think it's the Cocking Handle, I love this new 3D Scope feature, Now it wont seem like my eye is inside the scope ;)

Bringerof_D
2010-08-10, 07:38
for the deustchland!

colodorian
2010-08-10, 16:19
I like the size of the Anti Tanks Rocket :D

ytman
2010-08-10, 16:38
Can't wait! Love it! Will the HAT kit be just like the Russian HAT? Or will it implement some basic computer aided aiming like the chinese HAT?

Amok@ndy
2010-08-10, 16:43
it will be like the Russian Hat

GeorgRavioli
2010-08-10, 21:01
Nice. So this means it will have 2 rockets correct and no aiming assistance? True skill there 8-)

Excavus
2010-08-10, 21:56
Nice. So this means it will have 2 rockets correct and no aiming assistance? True skill there 8-)

But this one will have a scope, unlike a certain other HAT.

Amok@ndy
2010-08-10, 22:02
and only 1 shot :D

Panzerfire
2010-08-10, 22:58
Damn.... The Germans are coming soon and my graphic card just died on me. :(

Oh well... I hope I can get a new one before or shortly after the BW faction makes it to PR. The new stuff is sexy.

GeorgRavioli
2010-08-11, 01:47
But this one will have a scope, unlike a certain other HAT.

Amok@ndy;1411616']and only 1 shot :D

Huh. I haven't used the Russian HAT for a while, but I remember it having 2 shots last few times I did. Well anyhow I'm lovin' everything about the German Forces so far. G36 looks awesome, MG4 is probably my 2nd favorite MG (right behind PKM :D), and the Camo (Tropentarn or whatever) looks great too.

axel99i
2010-08-12, 00:31
Amok@ndy;1411616']and only 1 shot :D
why no aiming help...?

look here Modern Firearms - Panzerfaust 3 (Pzf 3) antitank grenade launcher (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl32-e.htm)

Excavus
2010-08-12, 02:31
I was under the impression that the Panzerfaust 3 was like the RPG-7, reloadable. But now I see that it is only a 1 shot weapon.

Kaijleor
2010-08-12, 09:22
Well you throw only the tube away and keep the scope.

axel99i
2010-08-12, 14:57
can we use the "Dynarange computerized sight / fire control unit with built-in laser rangefinder and ballistic computer" for the HAT
and the normal handlebar with optik sign for the LAT...?

Amok@ndy
2010-08-12, 15:26
no cause its not used in the bundeswehr by common troops

Zoddom
2010-08-12, 17:24
i just noticed taht the soldiers in the videos dont wear any gloves.
are you going to keep it like this?

JAMTAM
2010-08-12, 20:39
Why is there two rounds for the AT? What's it used for?

Amok@ndy
2010-08-12, 20:49
HAT and LAT

=]H[= JakCurse
2010-08-16, 03:20
Absolutely beautiful.


But one less Brit map :/ ho hum.

StuTika
2010-08-16, 20:44
The G36 doesn't sport a bolt hold-open device, unlike the M16 and others. The thing in the front of the trigger guard is the magazine release catch.

Hmm...wikipedia says otherwise:

"The bolt is automatically locked to the rear when the last round is expended, but the bolt catch can be deactivated. The bolt catch button is located at the forward end of the trigger guard."

I know where the mag catch is, there is a small button inside the trigger guard which is the bolt release.

But perhaps it is standard practice to disable the bolt catch for some reason...?

General Dragosh
2010-08-16, 20:59
Hmm...wikipedia says otherwise:

NEVER, i say NEVER use wikipedia for weapon references NEVER !
This should be learned in elementary school xD

Myru
2010-08-16, 21:37
The G36 bolt-catch only engages automatically if the last round of a magazine is fired, because the magazin-plate which is pushed up by the magazine-spring pushes up the bolt-catch once there is no cartridge inside anymore. The bolt catch button is used to manually lock the bolt in the rear position if there is no empty magazin inserted into the rifle. It's located at the forward end of the trigger guard.

The bolt catch can be manipulated in a way, that it's doesn't automatically engage by pushing aside a spring inside pistol grip.

StuTika
2010-08-16, 21:53
The G36 bolt-catch only engages automatically if the last round of a magazine is fired

So...the same as every other gun that has a bolt catch then...?

This site (http://www.remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g36/g36.htm) reckons it has a bolt catch too.

Zoddom
2010-08-16, 22:14
If the aimpoint sight remains the same, me thinks germans wont do good in CQB because it blocks a huge part of the screen. I said remains the same cuz m4 aimpoint used to block a big part of the screen too.
http://a.imageshack.us/img291/263/scopel.jpg
its like it is in reality .... or do you mean you would look through it from so far away?!

wolfstriked
2010-08-17, 02:03
^^I think they should leave distance alone and just make the viewable part of the CQB sight as big as the next circle.But then again they could leave it as is making this weapon great when scoped and not so great when using the CQB sight for gameplay reasons.

Nebsif
2010-08-17, 04:54
photobucket epic fail, cant see the pics now, gogo imageshack!

Heskey
2010-08-18, 11:27
Can't see photos! =[

Amok@ndy
2010-08-18, 11:40
images are fine for me

Excavus
2010-08-18, 11:51
Hey Chuc, looks like you have to upgrade to pro today!

DankE_SPB
2010-08-18, 11:53
Amok@ndy;1418345']images are fine for me
most likely due to those images being cached;-)
photobucket has a limit of bandwidth, after which it redirects to "bandwidth exceeded, upgrade to pro"

Chuc
2010-08-18, 12:07
Anyone wanna help me upgrade to pro? :D

dbzao
2010-08-18, 14:42
Ah Chuc fails.... it's in the instructions for posting highlights to not use photobucket for that reason. :S

General Dragosh
2010-08-19, 18:13
Chuc;1418362']Anyone wanna help me upgrade to pro? :D

Dude thats just low xD

Nebsif
2010-08-19, 18:52
Lol its Chuc's sig now :D