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DankE_SPB
2010-07-19, 17:22
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After the long and exhausting day at Kashan desert, when you and your homies held the front against arrogant and armed to the teeth enemy, what would be best way to relax?
I'm talking about mobile relaxing, rolling through recaptured Bunkers hood with class, making the heads turn and letting people know who's the boss. Forget about those big square SUVs, leave this kind of expensive cheap bling for spoiled teenage gangster wannabes, let's talk real deal.

And a deal is right here, meet the match for your dreams: Soviet military towing vehicle + limo + lowrider = MT-LB

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7595/screen021u.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3029/screen020rz.jpg

Check this out, YaMZ-238V V-8 diesel developing 240 hp at 1500 rpm, tranmission with 6 forward gears and 1 reverse will take you on the easy ride with average 30-32 km/h. Yes, 32 km/h, it's not F1 car, it's for chilling.

And this thing ain't like city beasts, easy on the asphalt, but clumsy on the off-road - MT-LB feels good everywhere with it's classy low profile and wide front. Ruff ryders would choose MT-LB for ability to afford 2.8m wide trenches and 1.1m vertical obstacles. And did I mention that it's amphibious?

Enemies will be consumed with envy when they'll see you in your lowrider, they will try to spoil fun firing from small arms. Too bad, cause MT-LB has anti-bullet armor.

With 2 crewmen and a lot of space in the back you have variety of options:

1) Ride on the sunset in the classic version of MT-LB

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/600/simple1.jpg
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8585/simple2a.jpg


2) Although classic version have PKT machine gun in small turret to keep off mosquitos, sometimes you need something better than that, something of higher calibre

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3226/nsvt1.jpg

Pull the trigger and let the good times roll.

3) To make an impact, choose Shturm-S anti-tank vehicle. It's missiles are good not only for taming metal monsters, but also for kicking off party in enemy hideouts with HEAT-FS version of 9M114 guided missile

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9927/shturm2.jpg
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1820/shturm3.jpg


4) When the death comes from above, smoothly roll in the battlefield in Strela-10M3 anti-air vehicle and save the day for your comrades

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3791/mtlbsand2.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4642/mtlbdrt3.jpg

Clear the skies for good times.

Brought to you by [R-DEV]DankE_SPB and [R-CON]SashaSK8. Available in Project Reality soon, ask at local Opfor main bases.
Author of the text [R-DEV]Nosferatu.

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Technoelite
2010-07-19, 17:53
looks rubbish as usual for PR :wink:

Rudd
2010-07-19, 17:57
I'll take 9000!

Amok@ndy
2010-07-19, 17:59
yeahh MT-LB :)

Sniper77shot
2010-07-19, 18:01
Looks cool!

samogon100500
2010-07-19, 18:02
Ну наконец то уже....
МТЛБ with textures looks better that without textures =)

Rezza
2010-07-19, 18:11
Sweet vehicle

THE.FIST
2010-07-19, 18:15
Ну наконец то уже....
МТЛБ with textures looks better that without textures =)
hahaha man i love you , and ye this vehicle good for going to hunt in syberia forest

masterceo
2010-07-19, 18:18
http://theshorebirds.mlblogs.com/lowrider.jpg

Yep, looks like a lowrider!
I'll take all of them.

samogon100500
2010-07-19, 18:29
THE.FIST;1393575']hahaha man i love you , and ye this vehicle good for going to hunt in syberia forest

I think you about that?With vodka(Or something hardest that vodka :shock:) i can upgrade that DT54 to MTLB!
Don't worry every one it the villages make that upgrade everyday :grin:
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/foto/b/3/596/2066596/f_12583483.jpg

THE.FIST;1393575']hahaha man i love you
I hope am right?
http://www.idea.ru/creative/files/Image/Poster/october/1samogon_stalo.jpg

PuffNStuff
2010-07-19, 18:34
so.... this... is replacing the bdrm? YAY!@!!!

Maxfragg
2010-07-19, 18:43
love it, and the text is simply hilarious, please keep this style ;-)

@PuffNStuff: why should an APC replace a Scoutcar? so, no i it would be quite strange if it would replace the BDRM

samogon100500
2010-07-19, 18:44
so.... this... is replacing the bdrm? YAY!@!!!

MTLB - multirole artillery tractor
BRDM - Recon-patrol vehicle
It's 2 different vehicles

Makikou
2010-07-19, 18:44
Hilarious post, nice looking stuff, GIEF ME

THE.FIST
2010-07-19, 18:44
I hope am right?
http://www.idea.ru/creative/files/Image/Poster/october/1samogon_stalo.jpg
yes exactly that !!!!
and then we drive into forest and party with bears !!!
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w2/mtlb_01.jpg

PuffNStuff
2010-07-19, 18:51
Meh, I was hopin lol. I just don't like the look of the BDRM.

Zrix
2010-07-19, 18:52
@PuffNStuff: why should an APC replace a Scoutcar? so, no i it would be quite strange if it would replace the BDRM

MTLB - multirole artillery tractor
BRDM - Recon-patrol vehicle
It's 2 different vehicles
But in addition to the scout role, the BRDM is used for both AA and AT duty in PR. So it's a legitimate question imho.

Adriaan
2010-07-19, 19:03
I love you Danke and Sashka, I really do... :D

Rudd
2010-07-19, 19:04
^ don't forget that the MEC/Militia and Russians might use differnet vehicles

samogon100500
2010-07-19, 19:05
THE.FIST;1393594']yes exactly that !!!!
and then we drive into forest and party with bears !!!
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w2/mtlb_01.jpg
Meh, I was hopin lol. I just don't like the look of the BDRM.

Yeah and BRDM is good car for fishing :-P
http://steer.ru/archives/210408/btr/image_2.jpg
http://img11.nnm.ru/6/7/9/5/6/6795612bf5c45f81084e7a00a99f929d_full.jpg
And BTR for weddings
http://www.i2n.ru/i/news/btr_091210_1.jpg
http://www.i2n.ru/i/news/btr_091210_3.jpg

p.s Fist don't forget,am live in city,where we make mostly Warfare vehicles,like BTRs,BRDMs(Removed),trucks(Not URAl =) ) and Tigers,i know about that vehicle very very much.

superhunty
2010-07-19, 19:09
Amphibious for all those river crossings on Kashan... Wait whut?

motherdear
2010-07-19, 19:09
Lovely text man, loving it. can i get you guys to do my next blog :D

[R-DEV]Nosferatu for official [R-Writer] :D

Nebsif
2010-07-19, 19:23
Yay, yet another epicool soviet piece of hardware. I love em all, from teh AK, BRDM to teh T-90.
Nosferatu writes great blogs! :P

Jigsaw
2010-07-19, 19:26
Great highlight. Loving these, looks absolutely awesome :D

Also:

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ComradeChaos
2010-07-19, 19:29
Amphibious for all those river crossings on Kashan... Wait whut?

Haven't you heard about the Kashan Redux?

karambaitos
2010-07-19, 19:52
Nice text there reminds me of Teamfortress2 blogs posts xD
imma be ridin' all over kashan in that.

Brainlaag
2010-07-19, 20:16
haha awesome blog *thumbs up for [R-DEV]Nosferatu* can´t wait for the new release--> Happyface :D

BloodBane611
2010-07-19, 20:41
looking fly, can't wait to pimp mine. Where can I get some spinny rims?

bloodthirsty_viking
2010-07-19, 20:53
how cold is it, kashan is to hot for me, i need a big beer holder to fight out their XD

Spieler
2010-07-19, 21:20
Great!!! Thank you for your work guys. The next one is BMP-2?:-P

Elektro
2010-07-19, 21:42
how cold is it, kashan is to hot for me, i need a big beer holder to fight out their XD

Dont worry, the cylinder object ontop of the vehicle isn't a TOW launcher but aircondition.

stealth420
2010-07-19, 21:51
ONE SABOT ROUND is all it takes to take those out , LOL even a heat round willl take those out in one shot. It looks like the MEC will be getting weaker with these vehicles, what the need is the newest class of russian tanks, I think there called the T90M1 Tanks and they kick some serious ass with there armor package and latest shell auto-loading technoligies.

Read from battles in Desert storm, M1A1's were taking out these in one shot, burning everyone inside alive, in some cases the crew made it out while they were on fire and after about 30 minutes of burning alive all that was left was black powder and bones on the ground.

dragunover
2010-07-19, 22:00
I'd much rather take one of these for AA purposes than a BDRM-2... However, the BDRM-3(spandrel) totally defeats the purpose of a single-tube APC which is nearly twice the size

myles
2010-07-19, 22:00
very nice looks really unique

Jigsaw
2010-07-19, 22:07
I'd much rather take one of these for AA purposes than a BDRM-2... However, the BDRM-3(spandrel) totally defeats the purpose of a single-tube APC which is nearly twice the size

Remember though that the Spandrel armour is basically as thin as paper. These should firstly be more durable and the likelihood (not that I know ofc) I would expect is that the militia continue to use the Spandrel whilst the Russians and maybe MEC get these for AT purposes.

DankE_SPB
2010-07-19, 22:33
ONE SABOT ROUND is all it takes to take those out , LOL even a heat round willl take those out in one shot.It looks like the MEC will be getting weaker with these vehicles.
dont be so shy, jump straight into comparing logistical trucks vs JDAMs:roll:

I'd much rather take one of these for AA purposes than a BDRM-2... However, the BDRM-3(spandrel) totally defeats the purpose of a single-tube APC which is nearly twice the size
12 missiles with about ~15s reload time, it should me much more stable on rough ground and its not twice bigger than BRDM, its hull is much lower(which is more important than length, and even length/width wise it just a bit bigger) and if we decide to use new missiles, it will be considerably more powerful;-)

Staker
2010-07-19, 23:27
So this is the war's low rider (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9zyIukKvm8&feature=related)?

alec89
2010-07-20, 00:04
Хорошая работа ребята!
Good job, guys! Looks great. Now only to make the gaz tigr and replace those BRDMs :)). I can wish.

Tim270
2010-07-20, 00:30
ONE SABOT ROUND is all it takes to take those out , LOL even a heat round willl take those out in one shot. It looks like the MEC will be getting weaker with these vehicles, what the need is the newest class of russian tanks, I think there called the T90M1 Tanks and they kick some serious ass with there armor package and latest shell auto-loading technoligies..

This is not a MBT...

theUg
2010-07-20, 08:04
I am sure BRMD is here to stay even if only as Militia vehicle. I love using gun-less BRMD for troop transport. Just the other day I hauled about 30 souls from distant FOB to the front line in half an hour until my game crashed.

dtacs
2010-07-20, 08:57
This is not a MBT...
He never said it was, but for the point of PR this vehicle is going to always be the last to be taken and the first to be destroyed. Its a good and awesome model though.

No infantry squad in their right mind would even think of taking one of these when there is a BTR or BMP alternative avaliable, its suicide when .50 fire and 25mm fire will completely destroy it, added to that its main gun is the Russian/MEC tank/APC coaxial. The missile version however has a chance at being used simply because it has a HEAT missile available too.

I pray that the BMP-3 isn't going to be replaced on Kashan by two seperate vehicles of the gun/missile variety.

But if its going to feature in more 16 player layers (EG US get Strykers, MEC get MT-LBs) then it could work, since its more balanced.

samogon100500
2010-07-20, 10:34
But if its going to feature in more 16 player layers (EG US get Strykers, MEC get MT-LBs) then it could work, since its more balanced.
I think better idea take to MEC BTR60!
My idea - make standart MT-LB as Supply vehicle(2 seats and 1 or 2 supply crates + repair,without CSB) like IDF M113!
It's have balance,cuz PKT is not better MG to attack enemies,against any vehicle they are useless!

NSVT version would be nice,but anyway there no have speed,what have wheeled vehicles.

Rudd
2010-07-20, 11:29
No infantry squad in their right mind would even think of taking one of these when there is a BTR or BMP alternative avaliable, its suicide when .50 fire and 25mm fire will completely destroy it, added to that its main gun is the Russian/MEC tank/APC coaxial. The missile version however has a chance at being used simply because it has a HEAT missile available too.

think of it as an equivalent of a humvee then :)

CCCode
2010-07-20, 11:45
Rudd;1394025']think of it as an equivalent of a humvee then :)

A very slow humvee, but yea :D

DankE_SPB
2010-07-20, 11:56
60km/h max speed is not that slow

Rudd
2010-07-20, 12:04
and ampbibious! :D whats the speed in the water?

sharpie
2010-07-20, 12:49
Rudd;1394049']and ampbibious!

has me hooked :P

Nebsif
2010-07-20, 13:23
ONE SABOT ROUND is all it takes to take those out , LOL even a heat round willl take those out in one shot. It looks like the MEC will be getting weaker with these vehicles, what the need is the newest class of russian tanks, I think there called the T90M1 Tanks and they kick some serious ass with there armor package and latest shell auto-loading technoligies.

Read from battles in Desert storm, M1A1's were taking out these in one shot, burning everyone inside alive, in some cases the crew made it out while they were on fire and after about 30 minutes of burning alive all that was left was black powder and bones on the ground.

Russian T90s and MEC T72s already kick enough ass compared to M1A1's theyre facing.
Taking out an Abrams with one ATGM (to the tracks/engine) and then disabling a second Abrams with 2 AP rounds.

BTW, does MT-LB provide protection vs 50cal like teh BTR80?

alec89
2010-07-20, 13:58
Rudd;1394049']and ampbibious! :D whats the speed in the water?


Where do you actually see water in kashan? :???:

Rudd
2010-07-20, 14:03
suprisingly, kashan isn't the only map in PR

the BMP-3 is amphibious too you know...oh and so is the BDRM

Maxfragg
2010-07-20, 14:15
basicly all russian vehicles are amphibious, apart from the MBTs, they even build an amphibious artillery

dtacs
2010-07-20, 14:26
Rudd;1394025']think of it as an equivalent of a humvee then :)
That takes 2 crewmen kits and goes slower and still dies to .50 fire and probably one RPG :roll:

I don't know, its a good model but its unfortunately an impractical (PR wise) vehicle. Although I haven't used it yet....

Tim270
2010-07-20, 14:30
He never said it was, but for the point of PR this vehicle is going to always be the last to be taken and the first to be destroyed. Its a good and awesome model though.

Point I was trying to make - This cannot be compared with a MBT, scoffing at the fact it can be taken out by a tank shell etc.

Im looking forward to driving/gunning this. That low silhouette should come in handy :)

Adriaan
2010-07-20, 14:32
It's a Russian vehicle and therefore it is Badass. End of story! :p

dtacs
2010-07-20, 14:40
Point I was trying to make - This cannot be compared with a MBT, scoffing at the fact it can be taken out by a tank shell etc.

Im looking forward to driving/gunning this. That low silhouette should come in handy :)
I don't think he meant to compare it to an MBT but rather point out how flimsy it is. Its simply not worth the risk and two crewman kits. My prediction it will become like the .50 cal Chinese APC - a fun oddity at first, but annoyingly impractical and rageworthy over time

Rudd
2010-07-20, 14:43
I don't think he meant to compare it to an MBT but rather point out how flimsy it is. Its simply not worth the risk and two crewman kits. My prediction it will become like the .50 cal Chinese APC - a fun oddity at first, but annoyingly impractical and rageworthy over time

wow, seriously.

its an addition, its not like all the BMP3s are getting replaced with this thing. It'll have its own role, it'll work better on the layers designed for infantry, the fact it'll feature on Kashan (upon which there is already 1 BDRM, gaskins and logistic trucks) doesn't make this new vehicle any less useful or internesting.

the 50cal chinese APC just needs a map to shine on, one that doesn't feature superior APCs, like Barracuda or somthing

Scot
2010-07-20, 14:46
This is just like a Stryker, and the Stryker works well in it's own situation.

Could see this on a layer of Beirut maybe, where the IDF have M113s and the Russians have this.

theUg
2010-07-20, 15:13
Anyone thought of using these new tractors as bridge-laying vehicles for those new CSBs? It would offer better protection than supply trucks v. technicals.

basicly all russian vehicles are amphibious, apart from the MBTs
And even then our tanks can have fording capability up to 5m deep. ;)

Nehil
2010-07-20, 15:21
Quick question; is the one with the 12.7mm/.50 cal on top a type of CROWS-steering or is the gunner exposed?

ytman
2010-07-20, 15:25
Looks great!

They look completely capable of protecting troops from anything but the most deadly of weaponry. But whats up with the cruising speed? I noticed most PR vehicles have only crusing speeds and not IRL speed figures, from what I understand they should be capable of going 60 mph on level/paved terrain.


Edit:

All this talk about BRDMs being removed... :(

I definately would like to see these replace the Mec Gaskin (though a mapper could have one of these and a Gaskin to offer a choice over protection and profile).

Also BRDMs are scout vehicles. They are better armed/armored than humvees but also are more limited in role. The reason I think the unarmed varient is used as transport is because of the lack of a Mec/Russian 'jeep'. If the Mec/Russian Jeep ever shows up... then I do expect the BRDM to be replaced with its old make out of 4 seats. Just give the vehicle a better zoom, 4x, and camo for maps like Silent Eagle.

Teh0
2010-07-20, 15:27
I love it already. BMP1 & 2 next maybe?

cyberzomby
2010-07-20, 15:42
Looks epic! A nice small death compartment

THE.FIST
2010-07-20, 15:54
Looks epic! A nice small death compartment
yep it's a tomb on tracks just like idf m113 :p

Brummy
2010-07-20, 15:56
I like how you all judge how it's going to suck in-game when you haven't even seen the changes in .92 nor the vehicle itself.

dtacs
2010-07-20, 16:15
I like how you alljudge how it's going to suck in-game when you haven't even seen the changes in .92 nor the vehicle itself.
We make the assumptions of realism, why would the vehicle be developed to be different in armor and armament stats from its real life counterpart? One can only assume that its going to die/the crew would be killed from a single tank shell because its realistic.

But you're right, the vehicle mightn't even be in maps with tanks and large-caliber APC's.

I love it already. BMP1 & 2 next maybe?
Hopefully! The BMP-2 is in the making I think, there is one in the US Intervention mod though :smile:

Celestial1
2010-07-20, 16:17
We make the assumptions

That. That right there. Stop that.

THE.FIST
2010-07-20, 16:18
I like how you all judge how it's going to suck in-game when you haven't even seen the changes in .92 nor the vehicle itself.
well look at idf m113 isn't it a tomb ? this one i am more then sure going to suck balls :-P

Brummy
2010-07-20, 16:24
THE.FIST;1394189']well look at idf m113 isn't it a tomb ? this one i am more then sure going to suck balls :-P

The M113 on Beirut sucks if it runs off alone because it counters a lot stronger assets. On Asad Kahl it's quite good, it just sucks that you can get shot out.

Of course the MTLB is not the strongest or most powerful vehicle but we'll just have to wait how it plays out in the next build. :)

samogon100500
2010-07-20, 16:25
DankE_SPB;1394041']60km/h max speed is not that slow

Anyway - wheeled vehicles move faster that tracked!

dtacs
2010-07-20, 16:27
That. That right there. Stop that.
Why exactly?

EnermaX
2010-07-20, 16:57
yeehaaa

dbzao
2010-07-20, 17:01
I can't believe this discussion turned the way it did. :roll:

Not all vehicles are über vehicles ffs, every vehicle in-game has to avoid stronger vehicles/weapons, it's not something new or introduced by this vehicle... just relax and think of ways they *will* be useful.

Duke
2010-07-20, 17:09
Why exactly?

Because to assume makes an ass out of you and me. Zing! :razz:

In all seriousness, drawing conclusions based on presumption is never a wise move. The MT-LB has an armor thickness of around 10 mm, which is comparable to the BTRs we see in game, so not quite the glue and paper armor of the BRDM. Yes, it will most likely die if it meets an MBT or IFV head on, but that's not its purpose.

The models damn fine, and in its role it should work perfectly. Looking forward to seeing it in-game.

Rudd
2010-07-20, 17:27
Why exactly?

because the ass of the ump will TION you!

Rhino
2010-07-20, 17:35
dbzao;1394225']I can't believe this discussion turned the way it did. :roll:

You can't? It happens with like every new highlight topic :p

"OMG the CSBs are going to be SOOO predictable, like, they cross a river man. Its going to be even worse than before when we only had static bridges that where in excatly the same place in every single round like and they where not predictable at all unlike these new CSBs which you have to use one of the many pre-defined locations!!!"

Ciro Moretti
2010-07-20, 17:35
Cant wait to get behind the wheel of one of those

dtacs
2010-07-20, 18:12
Duke;1394228']
In all seriousness, drawing conclusions based on presumption is never a wise move. The MT-LB has an armor thickness of around 10 mm, which is comparable to the BTRs we see in game, so not quite the glue and paper armor of the BRDM.

I'm sorry, so it won't die in a single shot or be put on fire like the BMP-3, Bradley and BTRs? If making obvious assumptions is a bad thing, prove me wrong that this vehicle won't operate exactly as I said it will. Like many Soviet vehicles it is an armored coffin. Bam, assumption. Prove it wrong.

Theres a whole lot of (http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/4/4d/Im_a_horse.jpg/399px-Im_a_horse.jpg) in saying that 'assumptions are bad' when the assumed statement is blatantly true.

dbzao;1394225']
Not all vehicles are über vehicles ffs, every vehicle in-game has to avoid stronger vehicles/weapons, it's not something new or introduced by this vehicle... just relax and think of ways they *will* be useful.
Look what happened last time that thought occurred. All APCs are now used mainly for light tanking purposes, which they absolutely kick ass at. The unarmed BRDM on Muttrah is used for ramming choppers at docks at the start of the game (which is quite successful I might add)

I don't need to tell you that there is a fine line between realism and practicality. Joe PR Player is never going to use this for transporting infantry (and if it does): dropping crates when there is a gun and zoom on it.

User was warned for useless/unhelpful post content. Making any kind of assumptions on how a simple model will perform in-game without actual knowledge of it's performance is useless and irrelevant and when expressed with the above attitude towards team members will earn warnings and infractions. - Jigsaw

Rudd
2010-07-20, 18:18
jesus dtacs, you really need to learn that this is the DEV's house, the rest of us are just visiting, please don't piss on the carpet. just enjoy the screenshots until you can show you are right or wrong with actual proof, or bite your tongue just to be polite to the guys who put their free time in to this for you

dtacs
2010-07-20, 18:19
Rudd;1394280']jesus dtacs, you really need to learn that this is the DEV's house, the rest of us are just visiting, please don't piss on the carpet. just enjoy the screenshots until you can show you are right or wrong with actual proof, or bite your tongue just to be polite to the guys who put their free time in to this for you
Ok then.

Rhino
2010-07-20, 19:02
The unarmed BRDM on Muttrah is used for ramming choppers at docks at the start of the game (which is quite successful I might add)

It would be nice if people could post this stuff in a place where it would be useful (ie, in the Muttrah feedback topic (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f253-v0-91-maps/79679-muttrah-city-v0-91-feedback.html)) rather than randomly in a highlight post...

Staker
2010-07-21, 01:11
Variety is never bad. I for one am getting tired of seeing a BRDM on every Russian or MEC map despite the fact that I like it a lot :roll:. Also one model fits for multiple purposes, so I can see why it was made. (Should've stayed away from this :D)

To actually have something to say about the highlight; Can the guns, tubes and such turn a full 360?

alec89
2010-07-21, 01:48
Variety is never bad. I for one am getting tired of seeing a BRDM on every Russian or MEC map despite the fact that I like it a lot :roll:. Also one model fits for multiple purposes, so I can see why it was made. (Should've stayed away from this :D)

To actually have something to say about the highlight; Can the guns, tubes and such turn a full 360?

The only BRDM I like is the TOW. The transport BRDM like on Iron Ridge and Silent Eagle is just retarded. You actually gotta request a crewman kit to drive it while not even having an offensive capability in it. And besides irl russian army doesnt really use them much anymore, we sell them as scrap to China and sell for use worldwide.

Nebsif
2010-07-21, 04:02
Teh TOW BRDM is so OP, even if u miss 1 rocket u have like 4 more to have fun with, cant wait to try teh MT-LB TOW thingy tho, if it will have heat rockets... leet. BTW, arent spandy rockets reloaded manually IRL, like teh crewmen have to go outside and reload, if yah then it should a longer reload time like j00 guys did with teh fatdley.. bradley.

Nosferatu
2010-07-21, 04:28
You see, gentlemen, a pimp's vehicle is very different than a square's.

Basic version of MT-LB can't stand hi calibers, but it not supposed to, smart playas use MT-LB when the heat is not around, understand what I'm saying? MT-LB is a steed, not an armored rhino, messin' with other rhinos, elephants, whales and other big brothas of the metal beastiary. When turf wars are going on far away and enemy gang is not around, it's a time for chillin'n'maxin, MT-LB will bring all the stuff you need for cool times if you know what I mean.

We're still on the battlefield so you'll need to get busy, need to work hard to get some tickets for pimp and if someone won't be down with that, pimp will call big guys to solve the problem with all means necessary - ranging from bitch slap to very mean stuff like JDAM. Bottom line is pimp car ain't fighting, it's representing.

And pimping ain't easy, men.

McBumLuv
2010-07-21, 04:39
^ That reply is Legend, Nosferatu.

Also:

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm162/Richo92/hatersgonnahate.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/NinjaYaddaYaddaYadda/Gifs/truckinvader.gif

Haters gonna hate. You can't phaaaaaase me, else Rhino will call the Cyber-pohleece and the consequences will never be the same.

*NwA* deadly22sniper
2010-07-21, 10:36
Loving it, Nosferatu. :D

Epipen
2010-07-21, 15:30
i usually don't comment in this kind of topic but... OMG this vehicle is awesome.

theUg
2010-07-21, 17:15
Also BRDMs are scout vehicles. They are better armed/armored than humvees but also are more limited in role. The reason I think the unarmed varient is used as transport is because of the lack of a Mec/Russian 'jeep'. If the Mec/Russian Jeep ever shows up... then I do expect the BRDM to be replaced with its old make out of 4 seats. Just give the vehicle a better zoom, 4x, and camo for maps like Silent Eagle.
That is a valid point, but I would like to point out that there is a model of Russian jeep out there. It is called UAZ and used by PLA in-game. If we are not talking about lightly armoured wheeled infantry transport like Vodnik/HMMWV, or heavier armour-plated stuff like Tigr/Panther-CLV/plated-HMMWV, then UAZ is the jeep (as in “general purpose” vehicle) of Russian AF. And if there is something that replaced it IRL that I don’t know about, it is still quite plausible for it to be used by MEC/Militia (I would rather see UAZ technical for some generic Eastern European paramilitary then some Japanese-looking technical that works for Middle East.

However, problem with the UAZ/LandRovers and the like is lack of seats. As a squad transport it might work in tandem with the truck. 4 guys get the fast mover and quickly get in the area to secure it, while other two ride the truck to establish FOB. Or if it is the recon/diversion squad, four guys get in then SL drops a rally point for the other two.

Whereas unarmed BRDM is dedicated infantry transporter (it’s filled up to the brim with infantry). I love to use it as such in-game, but I find it implausible to have modified BRDM for troop transport in Russian AF especially. Are there any IRL?

Now, MT-LB weren’t designed as APCs or IFVs. They had been used IRL as troop transports, true, but it is not their primary purpose. Aside from AT and AA versions, I see MT-LB as logistics/engineering vehicle in-game. It could be used as protected (by armour and MG turret) yet slow moving alternative to supply truck with troop transport capability, and especially as bridge-laying vehicle, but definitely not as APC.

Rudd
2010-07-21, 17:55
is a valid point, but I would like to point out that there is a model of Russian jeep out there. It is called GAZ and used by PLA in-game.

no it isn't they use the VN3 and the WZ551

DankE_SPB
2010-07-21, 17:56
he means UAZ jeep which was present on Qwai before

Rudd
2010-07-21, 17:57
ah my bad, I thought he was going down teh Vodnick route

theUg
2010-07-21, 22:23
Yes, I stand corrected. And UAZ is on Qwai now, at least it was there last week when I drove in it. Engine sound sucks, but it serves its purpose as squad transport (vehicle attached to the squad for mobility).

However, I’d like to hear if my guess about logistical/engineering purpose of new MT-LB is even remotely close.

Trooper909
2010-07-22, 05:36
This is a russian stryker type thingy yes?
Looks good anyway more stuff is never a bad thing.

Hope to one day see the GAS 2975 so russia can have a hummer equivilent *hint hint :wink:

Nosferatu
2010-07-22, 06:12
However, I’d like to hear if my guess about logistical/engineering purpose of new MT-LB is even remotely close.

It is remotely close, comrade.

mongol-horde
2010-07-22, 09:54
This is a russian stryker type thingy yes?
Looks good anyway more stuff is never a bad thing.

Hope to one day see the GAS 2975 so russia can have a hummer equivilent *hint hint :wink:

isnt it weird to call cartepillar chassis that is produced since time when stryker wasnt even drawn on paper a stryker type thingy?

dtacs
2010-07-22, 10:00
isnt it weird to call cartepillar chassis that is produced since time when stryker wasnt even drawn on paper a stryker type thingy?
He means in relation to the Strykers purpose. Transport infantry > they dismount > support them with fire and a means of protection.

It does the same thing yes, except in a more crude fashion.

RHYS4190
2010-07-22, 11:48
You mean a light tank cos let face that what there going to be used for, I rarely see people using APC's to transporting the infantry.

I think that unarmed Russian personal carrier was a steep in the right direction, But i don't think you should have to have a crew man kit to drive it.

Maxfragg
2010-07-22, 12:39
your doing something wrong if you use it as a light tank, the only light tank ingame are the BMP-3 and Scimitar

Wakain
2010-07-22, 13:10
that's the whole problem, a lot of people use it as a light tank, so denying the team's squads protection, mobility and firepower. I'm quite sure rhys doesn't mean he's going to use this vehicle that way but rather states the problematic way people will use it.

dbzao
2010-07-22, 13:24
Yes, let's remove all vehicles or else there's a possibility they won't be used the right way.

That complaint is getting old, really... you are complaining about PLAYERS doing something stupid after we give them the tools.

We can mod the game not the players, so get over it and try to play with people that will actually use it the right way instead of just bitching about it.

dtacs
2010-07-22, 13:29
This doesn't have the option to be used as a light tank since its main version has a 7.62 PKT as its primary weapon, especially if it features on maps with vehicles that have bigger guns.

The .50 version we can only hope fires normal rounds so its only effectiveness will probably be on M113s/BRDMs and under.

your doing something wrong if you use it as a light tank, the only light tank ingame are the BMP-3 and ScimitarIn terminology yes, in PR, anything with a cannon is used - and is highly effective - as a light tank.

dbzao;1395550']Yes, let's remove all vehicles or else there's a possibility they won't be used the right way.
No one ever said that, in fact thats far from the solution.

Rhino
2010-07-22, 13:55
your doing something wrong if you use it as a light tank, the only light tank ingame are the BMP-3 and Scimitar

The Scimitar is actually a Recon vehicle, in r/l it hardly ever gets caught up in engagements the 30mm cannon is really for defence. Sometimes its used as a supporting vehicle and an assault vehicle but its pretty damn rare tbh since its main job is to dive in behind enemy lines before anyone else and recon the area.

Wakain
2010-07-22, 15:02
dbzao;1395550']Yes, let's remove all vehicles or else there's a possibility they won't be used the right way.

That complaint is getting old, really... you are complaining about PLAYERS doing something stupid after we give them the tools.

We can mod the game not the players, so get over it and try to play with people that will actually use it the right way instead of just bitching about it.

I'm afraid we have a small misunderstanding here, you are right - the pr dev team should not, and will never be, responsible for the way players play. On the other hand, no one said they should be, and I don't think anyone was actually complaining. you should therefore see previous posts in which this "old complaint", as apparently you like to call it, was stated as a way to spread consciousness of a gameplay related problem that might well be a pr-specific sort of cheating or perhaps even griefing. the guys that visit these forums are obviously the guys that take project reality, the way it's being developed and the dev's ideas behind the development of assets, more seriously than most other players, spreading consciousness of this misusing of important assets might perhaps stop players from doing so, and that's worth the shot, wouldn't you agree?

cheers,

Wakain

theUg
2010-07-22, 15:26
He means in relation to the Strykers purpose. Transport infantry > they dismount > support them with fire and a means of protection.

It does the same thing yes, except in a more crude fashion.
MT-LB wasn’t designed for troop transport. It is armoured and amphibious artillery tractor/recovery vehicle/cargo transporter/engineering vehicle. It has been used as troop transporter, yes, but it’s not what it was built for, I have to reiterate. The gun is only for defence, and, acoording to Wikipedia, it was known to be used as artillery batteries shield, but not much more. In game, you won’t use it as APC when you have more mobile and heavier armed BTR.

dtacs
2010-07-22, 15:42
MT-LB wasn’t designed for troop transport. It is armoured and amphibious artillery tractor/recovery vehicle/cargo transporter/engineering vehicle. It has been used as troop transporter, yes, but it’s not what it was built for, I have to reiterate. The gun is only for defence, and, acoording to Wikipedia, it was known to be used as artillery batteries shield, but not much more. In game, you won’t use it as APC when you have more mobile and heavier armed BTR.
You may be right, but it depends how the DEV's implement it. If it holds infantry and there are no other transports available on the map, it will be used as such.

If it drops supplies/repair crates, it will be used as a support vehicle the way the Soviets designed it.

If it can tow tracked vehicles or...blah blah blah, the list goes on. We'll see when it all comes together.

Rhino
2010-07-22, 15:51
MT-LB wasn’t designed for troop transport. It is armoured and amphibious artillery tractor/recovery vehicle/cargo transporter/engineering vehicle. It has been used as troop transporter, yes, but it’s not what it was built for, I have to reiterate. The gun is only for defence, and, acoording to Wikipedia, it was known to be used as artillery batteries shield, but not much more. In game, you won’t use it as APC when you have more mobile and heavier armed BTR.

Stuff is not always used the way it was designed to be used.

ZephyrDark
2010-07-22, 16:10
Off the current topic:
Great model, should offer some variety to the mix. But, browsing around the web, i found this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Iraqi_military_men_riding_on_tank.jpg/800px-Iraqi_military_men_riding_on_tank.jpg
Now why don't we got this low-rider with the wide tracks, then we can be riding around in style like these Iraqis.

Nosferatu
2010-07-22, 17:02
MT-LB wasn’t designed for troop transport. It is armoured and amphibious artillery tractor/recovery vehicle/cargo transporter/engineering vehicle. It has been used as troop transporter, yes, but it’s not what it was built for, I have to reiterate. The gun is only for defence, and, acoording to Wikipedia, it was known to be used as artillery batteries shield, but not much more. In game, you won’t use it as APC when you have more mobile and heavier armed BTR.

Comrade, maybe you don't know it, but even new regulations for army units of so called "new type" provide description for structure of unit using MT-LBV-M as APC. Google "Отдельная мотострелковая бригада (на МТ-ЛБВ-М)" for example.

It's just fact since first Chechen campaign - some MT-LBs are used as APCs, even Caspian marines brigade has number of MT-LBM 6MB with turret from BTR-80A as their APCs.

[md]MadMak[rus]
2010-07-22, 17:27
APC is not a taxi for whole team.
I really hate when admin kick you from server if you don't want to transport squads, exposing your stryker to enemy APCs and HATs. He doesn't care what there is 4 people, who we are supporting. So I can repeat it for hundred times.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
...

Tim270
2010-07-22, 17:35
MadMak[rus];1395759']APC is not a taxi for whole team.
I really hate when admin kick you from server if you don't want to transport squads, exposing your stryker to enemy APCs and HATs. He doesn't care what there is 4 people, who we are supporting. So I can repeat it for hundred times.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
APC Is Not a Taxi For Whole Team.
...

Transporting Troops and getting Hit by HAT's etc are not mutually exclusive to each other.

You dont have to drop troops excactly where they ask to go, use your own judgement and Discretion to keep a balance of getting troops as close to their desired location and keeping your vehicle alive.

Are you honestly saying a Armoured PERSONEL CARRIER is not a taxi for troops?

[md]MadMak[rus]
2010-07-22, 17:50
...

Are you honestly saying a Armoured PERSONEL CARRIER is not a taxi for troops?

It is used to transport squad from main base to battlefield and support them with fire, but not leaving them alone and rushing for overs. It is linked to squad as Mech Inf or whatever the squad name is.

theUg
2010-07-22, 17:58
Nosferatu;1395738']MT-LBM 6MB with turret from BTR-80A as their APCs.
That’s the key. Give it decent gun, and people shall use it as light tank (I know, I know, “old complaint”) instead of transporting troops, building bridges, or dropping crates.

And I do understand the desire to get a good use out of these vehicles after they had been standing around thousands upon thousands since 1964, so they wouldn’t invest as much in new BTR-90 etc.

All in all I think it would be good for the mix, if balanced (like I said, slower than BTR, but drops supply crates etc.). And in general, for troop transport Russians need more UAZes, Tigr at some point, scrap unarmed BRMD (leave it for MEC and Militia). Does PR have troop trucks? It should be distinguished like in FH: troop trucks are covered, ammo/supply trucks are open bed with boxes and crates inside.

ZephyrDark
2010-07-22, 19:16
Does PR have troop trucks? It should be distinguished like in FH: troop trucks are covered, ammo/supply trucks are open bed with boxes and crates inside.

Umm... yeah PR has troop trucks... they're uncovered to distinguish between the covered supply trucks... I don't think the Russians have troop transport trucks on any map, if thats where you're getting at. There may be a couple on Silent Eagle, but I can't remember completely.

Nosferatu
2010-07-22, 19:21
That’s the key. Give it decent gun, and people shall use it as light tank (I know, I know, “old complaint”) instead of transporting troops, building bridges, or dropping crates.

Nobody said that there will be only one type of MT-LB and that will be 6MB.

All in all I think it would be good for the mix, if balanced (like I said, slower than BTR, but drops supply crates etc.). And in general, for troop transport Russians need more UAZes, Tigr at some point, scrap unarmed BRMD (leave it for MEC and Militia).

Right now Tigr is nothing more than MoD's covergirl, when there will be enough of them in troops AND their role would be described in regulations then we'll have something to talk about.

Does PR have troop trucks? It should be distinguished like in FH: troop trucks are covered, ammo/supply trucks are open bed with boxes and crates inside.

I don't get it, did you actually played PR?

theUg
2010-07-22, 19:35
I don't think the Russians have troop transport trucks on any map, if thats where you're getting at. There may be a couple on Silent Eagle, but I can't remember completely.
I think there should be more, as grunts move about in trucks in droves.

Nosferatu;1395849']I don't get it, did you actually played PR?
Duh. It’s just I haven’t seen those for ages with all the new maps and old maps gone
(me wants Mestia back :)). I think only place I’ve seen troop trucks on was on Barracuda a year ago.

Wakain
2010-07-22, 19:48
MadMak[rus];1395784']It is used to transport squad from main base to battlefield and support them with fire, but not leaving them alone and rushing for overs. It is linked to squad as Mech Inf or whatever the squad name is.

you don't have to taxi the whole team around, as long as you taxi one squad around and cooperate with it in the way you described, the whole team has a benefit from that. however, if the distances are large(as in 4km maps) you might as well be a sport and give those other guys a ride.

Trooper909
2010-07-22, 23:13
isnt it weird to call cartepillar chassis that is produced since time when stryker wasnt even drawn on paper a stryker type thingy?

Well the discription was all in gangsta speak so I have no idea what he was on about :lol:
Also the stryker was the only thing I could think of to compire it to tbh as I couldnt see a port hole for the MG so assumed it was remote ok?

Drav
2010-07-22, 23:25
Love the writeup Nos......:D

ReadMenace
2010-07-23, 00:54
DankE_SPB;1393534']Ruff ryders would choose MT-LB for ability to afford 2.8m wide trenches and 1.1m vertical obstacles. And did I mention that it's amphibious?


So... Can it negotiate 1.1m vertical obstacles in-game? :twisted:

-REad

RememberTheAlamo
2010-07-23, 01:55
DankE_SPB;1393534']Available in Project Reality soon, ask at local Opfor main bases.

But aren't Russians blufor on some maps as well :D


Looks really good!

themartini
2010-07-23, 06:30
ReadMenace;1396071']So... Can it negotiate 1.1m vertical obstacles in-game? :twisted:

-REad

they should give it to the US on Fallujah so they can get up those on the footpaths.
:P

Looks sexy gentlemen, keep it up.

Also a question, that .50 looks like it needs the gunner to be exposed, does mine eyes deceive me?

=]H[= JakCurse
2010-07-27, 01:21
Rudd;1393555']I'll take 9000!

I'll take 9001.

Maxfragg
2010-07-27, 09:31
can i haze one of these?
MT-LBM 6MB (http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/russia/mtlbmizd6mb_01.JPG)

should be basicly no work, since both, the vehicle and the turret already exist

xI DIaboLoS Ix
2010-07-29, 01:54
I think that my pants have never been this wet...

Great models, great varients! Can not wait to try these out! :)

][nvert
2010-07-29, 23:23
Sexy to the max 8-)

J.Brawn
2010-07-30, 09:33
Данке, наконец-то, спасибо большее. :)
I already can not wait for the new version. :D

Hauteclocque
2010-07-31, 08:42
can i haze one of these?
MT-LBM 6MB (http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/russia/mtlbmizd6mb_01.JPG)

should be basicly no work, since both, the vehicle and the turret already exist

Damn, we have not even though about this...:lol: (oh wait...actually we did.)

Maxfragg
2010-07-31, 08:53
i know that it seams to be not that common, but it would just be that easy to do, that it really should be done ;-)

Hauteclocque
2010-07-31, 09:02
Never told it was not a bad idea. :p

Excavus
2010-08-02, 01:52
I was wondering this, why do the tracks look like they use Christie suspension? The road wheels are large, why not use the conventional method with small wheels on bottom and top?

Tim270
2010-08-02, 02:12
Speed I would assume.

Imchicken1
2010-08-03, 06:29
Beautiful. Just Beautiful

Gammlgandalf13
2010-08-04, 21:26
Nice post, so i'll order let's say... 50.000 k? Better thatn this BRDM shitthings, they are not good for chilling but i'm sure these things are. > Rawr :D

doop-de-doo
2010-08-05, 16:49
I finally get FPS for C&C! What took you so long...? Did I say very nice yet?

Jazz
2010-08-05, 19:02
I remember all the fun I had on POE 2 in these things. I am ready to see it on the PR battlefield.

samthegreat4
2010-08-06, 22:05
Yeah, that thing looks nice..

=HCM= Shwedor
2010-08-07, 21:14
Will the 7.62mm gunned version require a crewman kit to gun? If it said it in the original post I missed it because I was too stunned by the BEAutiful models. :D

DankE_SPB
2010-08-07, 21:15
All vehicles will require crewman kits to operate.

Kossolax
2010-08-08, 03:20
Best thing about this is. Is it can get the Naval infantry to the beach faster than those BRDMs can.