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motherdear
2010-07-06, 20:40
In a team meeting some time ago in preperation for 0.91 it was decided to give the chinese weapons an overhaul.

The weapons in the overhaul was to be:

QBZ95 (assault rifle)
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/21713107.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/qbz95.jpg

QBB (LMG)
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/13586882_2006083109002015384300.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/qbb.jpg

QBZ95b (smg)
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/qbz95b-1.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/qbz95b.jpg

QBU88 (marskman rifle)
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/P1010865.jpg

Each of these weapons except for the QBU88 share common parts, this includes sight attachments, bolts, bullets, and common buttstock. And the whole system is actually quite smart.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/21713084.jpg


When the original weapon was made we had not yet decided on the higher tri count that we have today.
Therefore there was quite a few things we could smooth up and update on.

To further make the creation process hard back then was due to the lack of reference pictures that we had back in the day.

This can be seen on the sights and scope attachment especially, that in real life looks like this
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/1255520134813_386.jpg

But ingame is just a cube with a hole and a solid handguard.

This has been fixed though
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/rail.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/qbz95bsight-1.jpg

A year or so ago [R-DEV]Z-Trooper had also travelled to china, shooting and taking pictures of the rifle, therefore giving us some much needed references, this together with the new pictures emerging on the net and the new version of the rifle that was being distributed in the chinese military made it time to update our arsenal.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/allchinese-1.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/allchineseangle.jpg

Sadly due to the extra work in the creation of the QBU88, we have not yet have had time to make it.
We have though finished the uvw unpacking of the other weapons. but not all of these have been fully packed yet. Due to us trying to keep the number of texture sheets to a minimum (to maximize your performance ingame)

This means that the QBZ95 will most likely be featured with some aestetic updates in the next patch. While the other versions will have to wait just a bit longer

The creation of high quality assets for the opfor are in full spin, and look forward to seeing more.

DeltaFart
2010-07-06, 20:44
Holy crap! thats amazing!
Awesome work
Why does the QBZ look like the foward part is a P2000?

Adriaan
2010-07-06, 20:47
Those are some fine models! Great work!

bosco_
2010-07-06, 21:22
See people, no need to fear that the focus is only on BLUFOR :p

nater
2010-07-06, 21:31
Very sexy indeed! These were already my favorite weapons since they got their fire sound changed (I think it was when the m4/m16 also got their sound change.)

Z-trooper
2010-07-06, 21:36
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh212/motherdear_album/qbz95bsight-1.jpg

chamfer those edges! :x :smile:

Maxfragg
2010-07-06, 21:53
great, that will also mean scoped MG for china finaly (as well as probably unscoped marksmen)

slightliy OT, but is the PLA actually using any reddot-optic at the moment?

psychickactivity
2010-07-06, 21:58
kool bravo sir !!:lol:

motherdear
2010-07-06, 21:59
is the PLA actually using any reddot-optic at the moment?

As far as our research goes we have not been able to find any pics of red dot type weapons being used yet.

They do have the ability to manufacture and use them though. although they have to be made for their rail system and not the picatiny rails.


I have seen a picture of a pimped out QBZ95 though, although i believe a setup like i found is very rare and that customization of their rifle is very very rare. the barrel does allow for flashlight attachments and similar though, but only one thing at a time.

CBT02
2010-07-06, 22:08
http://www.dynintel.com/pics/drooling-homer.gif

Daishi2442
2010-07-06, 22:10
Very awesome. Maybe I'm not very attentive, but the QBZ95 as is there currently is probably my favorite weapon to use. It isn't incredibly complex in its design, yet the chinese were pretty smart with how it was made. I guess there are several features of the rifle that make me like it, such as the bullpup setup, the simple ironsights, and the awesome sounds the gun has for it. I'm sure if it gets updated, it will continue to be awesome.

Nitneuc
2010-07-06, 22:15
Good thing the Chinese get some love too :thumbsup:.
So you guys will finally manage to get rid of all vanilla stuff. With these and the new SVD the remaining BF2 weapons are PKM, some pistols, Eryx, SRAW, MP5, substitute Chinese sniper rifle and G3 (is it ?) IIRC.

bosco_
2010-07-06, 22:16
G3 series is PR custom made.

Nakata
2010-07-06, 22:27
Now we need more maps with chinese faction

Coolio
2010-07-06, 23:10
Looks good, 0.92 can not come any sooner :40_swig:

Kill001
2010-07-06, 23:11
Can someone gimmie an before/after comparison?

for some reason, I rarely play on maps with China... :\

Excavus
2010-07-07, 00:25
That's because like 80% of the maps that were removed in PR 0.9 were Chinese maps.

Bellator
2010-07-07, 00:45
So you guys will finally manage to get rid of all vanilla stuff. With these and the new SVD the remaining BF2 weapons are PKM, some pistols, Eryx, SRAW, MP5, substitute Chinese sniper rifle and G3 (is it ?) IIRC.

I think most of these are fine as they are, except PKM and perhaps the Chinese sniper rifle.

And is the MP5 even vanilla? I remember that the vanilla version was a grey.

Most of these weapons are acceptable quality imo. Perhaps the PKM and definitely Chinese sniper needs to be replaced.

Duplicate posts merged - Jig

Edit: Must have been a brainfart, I didn't notice I posted twice.

Glizy
2010-07-07, 01:28
I'm a Chinese player.

Thank you for all of these!

Looking forward to it!

Daishi2442
2010-07-07, 06:32
I think most of these are fine as they are, except PKM and perhaps the Chinese sniper rifle.

And is the MP5 even vanilla? I remember that the vanilla version was a grey.

Most of these weapons are acceptable quality imo. Perhaps the PKM and definitely Chinese sniper needs to be replaced.

Duplicate posts merged - Jig
Frankly, I don't think any of the defaults are of decent quality. The MP5 is horribly low poly, the PKM is just flat out ugly, the chinese pistol and M9 look like they had their polycount cut and their textures halved, and the missile launchers are just this side of lowpoly.


I don't think the M67 frags are redone. Smoke grenades definitely aren't custom. Wrench isn't custom. AT mines aren't custom. The L96A1 placeholder rifle for the factions who don't have a custom sniper rifle yet is not custom either. The M1014 isn't custom. There's a lot more than that original list.



The only problem with having things like the MP5 mixed in with the custom stuff is that having the customs there to be comparisons makes the older vanilla stuff an eyesore. I love the MP5 as a weapon, but its only redeeming factor on the visual side are the animations.

Murkey
2010-07-07, 08:47
Awesome work - glad to see the QBZ get some pampering.

My fav rifle :D

Arnoldio
2010-07-07, 12:21
Frankly, I don't think any of the defaults are of decent quality. The MP5 is horribly low poly, the PKM is just flat out ugly, the chinese pistol and M9 look like they had their polycount cut and their textures halved, and the missile launchers are just this side of lowpoly.


PPSh has extremely low poly model aswell it seems :/

Otherwise, nice to see ironsight improvements.

Cossack
2010-07-07, 16:44
Yes, but its increasing the performance. You know what is one of the main things making a game? It must reach high performance and good looking in the same time. So developers must chose between quality and performance.

P.S. Looks good.

CCCode
2010-07-07, 18:17
Soooo much new stuff soooo fast :D

SSnake
2010-07-07, 18:37
Cool stuff, nice surprise.

Antonyo
2010-07-07, 19:09
Looks realy good =)

Snazz
2010-07-08, 00:07
Yes, but its increasing the performance. You know what is one of the main things making a game? It must reach high performance and good looking in the same time. So developers must chose between quality and performance.
Most PR players have high graphics settings and the vanilla models don't look good.

Wolfbritish
2010-07-08, 00:29
I like to PRC guns although is it just me or does the lmg they employ not hold much?

motherdear
2010-07-08, 10:39
Yes, but its increasing the performance. You know what is one of the main things making a game? It must reach high performance and good looking in the same time. So developers must chose between quality and performance.

P.S. Looks good.

actually the new weapons are better performance wise, than the old ones, even though their tri count is higher.

many of the current weapons that are ingame only have a lod1 and 2 (these are level of details that you see at different ranges)

For instance, the QBZ only had lod0-2, while the new one has lod0-3 and is optimized to work better at ranges, that means that the whole system is optimized properly.

you can easily have a high tri count on a weapon in this engine, but if you don't handle it properly and optimized it, then eventually it is going to pull on the performance of the system.

Epipen
2010-07-08, 12:30
I'd be happy if the focus was on the gameplay, not in new
weapons, vehicles and stuff like that...

anyway, great job :grin:

motherdear
2010-07-08, 13:45
I'd be happy if the focus was on the gameplay, not in new
weapons, vehicles and stuff like that...

anyway, great job :grin:

We are not all coders and similar. There is only so much a team member can do, and this is one of them.

And trust me when i say that gameplay and similar is always under discussion and being thought about a lot within the team.

Remember it is not all you can see ;) but underneath the calm surface there is a raging storm of ideas.

HughJass
2010-07-08, 22:17
i like the new QBB.. but the rest imo are kind of pointless. great nonetheless.

Excavus
2010-07-08, 23:01
Thank god, we needed a new Chinese marksman. That was a terrible model.

Daishi2442
2010-07-08, 23:04
Yes, but its increasing the performance. You know what is one of the main things making a game? It must reach high performance and good looking in the same time. So developers must chose between quality and performance. .
Except the fact that there's a reason the game has low, medium, and high settings. We have plenty of capability of changing settings in the game, mate. :)

Trooper909
2010-07-09, 05:47
bosco;1383807']See people, no need to fear that the focus is only on BLUFOR :p

Meh only took a few year's of new blufor weapon's to get to opfor ;)

Nice stuff tho even if it is long overdue

theUg
2010-07-14, 02:22
great, that will also mean scoped MG for china finaly (as well as probably unscoped marksmen)
We just played failed clan match on Qwai River last week, I have put in a shift with Chinese LMG: scoped and single-shot mode, the beast of a thing, rapid-fire medium-range sniper.

Would be nice to have both scoped and unscoped (map dependent, right-click choseable, or unscoped spawnable/scoped requestable (2 per team or somesuch).

Daishi2442
2010-07-14, 13:04
Would be nice to have both scoped and unscoped.

There ARE two versions of the chinese LMG right now.

Rudd
2010-07-14, 14:11
Meh only took a few year's of new blufor weapon's to get to opfor ;)

Nice stuff tho even if it is long overdue

yeah the new RPG, AKs etc didn't arrive til now.

Infantry1242
2010-07-14, 21:39
Sweet,i can't wait to pwn the Marines and the Army with those bad-boys! Keep up the good work!

bosco_
2010-07-14, 21:43
Rudd;1389735']yeah the new RPG, AKs etc didn't arrive til now.

Not to forget MEC got the G3 series long before the M16A4's were done, USMC cranked around with vanilla M16A2s with 4x zoom on ironsights.

knoxious_t
2010-07-23, 15:08
woooo bravo Gentlmen!

Insanitypays
2010-07-29, 19:30
Very good, Im amazed this hasnt become a second game yet :O

alec89
2010-07-29, 19:54
great, that will also mean scoped MG for china finaly (as well as probably unscoped marksmen)

slightliy OT, but is the PLA actually using any reddot-optic at the moment?

huh? PLA has a scope for their MG like since .9 update.

][nvert
2010-07-29, 23:21
I play as chinese now :-)