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Salmonella
2010-03-26, 18:05
Hey folks, I'm working in the Super Puma texture, that in fact is the same Cougar model made by the French guy called BAO, in this thread
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f356-french-forces/64885-vehicle-532-cougar-wip-8.html

I just created this thread to make everyone aware of its development...

We have some variations between Navy and Army paiting, but since only Army operates in Amazon we will be using this reference.
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/3/8/1453837.jpg

The firsts screens...
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5298/pumatex3.jpg
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/7573/pumatex2.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7562/pumatex1.jpg

I'm having less free time than I usually had, so the progress may slow down even more...

Hauteclocque
2010-03-26, 18:18
Very good start on the texture. :-D
Huh for your comment about time, you're the faster modder I know (maybe [R-DEV]Tonnie could compete with you when he was fully active :razz:).

Glimmerman
2010-03-26, 18:21
Wow Looks ace Salmo!

You are indeed the fastest modeller ive encountered to date :)

Hyperion
2010-03-26, 18:23
Looks very good!

The base color could be more turquoise imo, but maybe I have to recalibrate my screen :mrgreen:

Keep up the good work!

Rudd
2010-03-26, 18:25
looks fantastic, don't forget a bit of muck near the exhausts :)

Hauteclocque
2010-03-26, 19:58
Just one thing I have noticed :
One detail is misplaced according to your pic :
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5298/pumatex3.jpg

TrahnLee
2010-03-26, 22:38
If you need help with exporting this into flying status. I am able and willing to help. I have done most of the helicopter exports for PR, as well as, EoD and many other mods. :mrgreen:

FelipeFR
2010-03-27, 00:46
This. Is. The... AWESOMENESS!!

Zulnex
2010-03-27, 00:58
Looks amazing!8-)
Fantastic work Salmonella.

Black/Brunez
2010-03-27, 01:02
Fantastic Salmonella! Really fantastic!

Rhino
2010-03-27, 02:22
Sweet! I must have somehow totally missed the original topic hehe :)

If you could also make the relevant modifications for making an RAF Puma I know someone who would be really happy. One of my mates who plays PR from time to time is an RAF Engineer who works on Pumas hehe and he would die to see it ingame :D


http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/gallery/5A005039_1143_EC82_2E1C0E56E7BC87E5/ben6.jpg

Z-trooper
2010-03-27, 02:44
naughty naughty stuff going on in here :)

DeltaFart
2010-03-27, 02:49
Rhino;1305718']Sweet! I must have somehow totally missed the original topic hehe :)

If you could also make the relevant modifications for making an RAF Puma I know someone who would be really happy. One of my mates who plays PR from time to time is an RAF Engineer who works on Pumas hehe and he would die to see it ingame :D


http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/gallery/5A005039_1143_EC82_2E1C0E56E7BC87E5/ben6.jpg
Jees the brits use everything they can get their pudgers on dont they?

Salmonella
2010-03-27, 04:03
Hauteclocque;1305453']Just one thing I have noticed :
One detail is misplaced according to your pic :

true, true...
Other thing I didn't noticed before, theres a HUGE difference, the french and ducth models uses a single big door, and ours uses 2 smaller, :shock::shock::shock:

Rhino;1305718']Sweet! I must have somehow totally missed the original topic hehe :)
If you could also make the relevant modifications for making an RAF Puma I know someone who would be really happy. One of my mates who plays PR from time to time is an RAF Engineer who works on Pumas hehe and he would die to see it ingame :D


humn... Theres already 3 "differents" models coming from this one, one more won't hurt, I just need to know what are the modifications, at first glance I noticed the length and the shape of the windows, anything else?

Rhino
2010-03-27, 04:08
humm I wouldn't know offhand, can ask our MAs.

Unfortunately my mate is deployed at the moment to somewhere in Africa and I can't get him to get any refs for you as such, otherwise I could.

I'll ask the MAs to see what they can do :)

Hauteclocque
2010-03-27, 06:34
Rhino;1305718']
If you could also make the relevant modifications for making an RAF Puma I know someone who would be really happy. One of my mates who plays PR from time to time is an RAF Engineer who works on Pumas hehe and he would die to see it ingame

I heard the RAF were going to update all their Pumas. We use it as well in the French Forces.

Salmonella;1305761']true, true...
Other thing I didn't noticed before, theres a HUGE difference, the french and ducth models uses a single big door, and ours uses 2 smaller, :shock::shock::shock:

humn... Theres already 3 "differents" models coming from this one, one more won't hurt, I just need to know what are the modifications, at first glance I noticed the length and the shape of the windows, anything else?

And as well the cockpit I guess, if your MAs are off Rhino, we have plenty of references on the French side about the Puma ;-).

Scar
2010-03-27, 07:35
Our Army use it aswell .. the are a flying truck lol
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh208/AZOTE2008/P1020704.jpg

sylent/shooter
2010-03-27, 12:18
wait the landing gear are retracts? Will that be ingame or waste of resources? Great job Salmonella, looking forward to playing the Brazilians. WIll be a great time can tell

Rudd
2010-03-27, 12:47
The puma would make a fantastic replacement for the merlin ingame tbh - since merlin lag was never solved

Rhino
2010-03-27, 14:08
wait the landing gear are retracts? Will that be ingame or waste of resources? Great job Salmonella, looking forward to playing the Brazilians. WIll be a great time can tell

Landing gear isn't a problem.


Rudd;1305973']The puma would make a fantastic replacement for the merlin ingame tbh - since merlin lag was never solved

The merlin lag I believe can be solved it just will take a bit of work to do but less work than modifying a new chopper to take its place (aka, this puma :p)

I see the Puma more as an addition to the British arsenal to go along side the current choppers rather than replacing or filling in any gaps.

Rudd
2010-03-27, 14:14
I see the Puma more as an addition to the British arsenal to go along side the current choppers rather than replacing or filling in any gaps.

though really...of the things the British team needs asset wise another chopper isn't the most important thing, especially since problems with other choppers are yet to be corrected.

sylent/shooter
2010-03-27, 14:20
I know rhino, I just meant that if it was ingame it would be interesting. But those little details... I guess we don't really need them :) again great work Salmon...

And Rudd I agree with you, the British need some other assets instead of fixing the chopper. Not the most priority imo. Would be nice to see though, the Merlin is a nice chopper

Rhino
2010-03-27, 14:37
Rudd;1306015']though really...of the things the British team needs asset wise another chopper isn't the most important thing, especially since problems with other choppers are yet to be corrected.

no its not, but if we can get it for a little bit of extra work its worth it, its not like we are talking about making it from scratch :p

And making this new chopper wouldn't really get in the way of fixing the merlin either.

And Rudd I agree with you, the British need some other assets instead of fixing the chopper. Not the most priority imo. Would be nice to see though, the Merlin is a nice chopper

Rudd is saying that fixing the Merlin is more important than making anouther chopper, which really it is :p

sylent/shooter
2010-03-27, 16:03
Haha I know, :P either way, I agree with him. Everything just got jumbled around in my head :P

Jigsaw
2010-03-27, 16:12
Rudd;1306015']though really...of the things the British team needs asset wise another chopper isn't the most important thing, especially since problems with other choppers are yet to be corrected.

Got to agree with that, the Brits already have four helicopters in-game which is a little overkill. I'd much rather see the OPFOR get some additional helicopters like the Mi-35 etc or even better more work put into British land vehicles like the Jackal or Mastiff.

The model and texture look great though.

MaxBooZe
2010-03-27, 16:17
Got to agree with that, the Brits already have four helicopters in-game which is a little overkill. I'd much rather see the OPFOR get some additional helicopters like the Mi-35 etc or even better more work put into British land vehicles like the Jackal or Mastiff.

The model and texture look great though.

How bout a Mi 24 Hind instead for militia? Pretty please? :D

Jigsaw
2010-03-27, 16:22
How bout a Mi 24 Hind instead for militia? Pretty please? :D

Mmm even better :D

Salmonella
2010-03-27, 19:01
Hey guys just stay on topic, mi-24 is another thread...

I don't know what exactly is the famous merlin lag, I didn't played PR before 0.87, but I think it should be easier to fix than create another model from scratch..

but the fact is, as far wikipedia says, Puma its only a shorter/older version, probably neither the UVs need to be changed, so is pretty easy to "make" another model..

the textures are even easier, is only a matter of changing one layer on the .psd

Matheusferri
2010-03-27, 23:11
great job salmo!!!

Rhino
2010-03-28, 06:19
Got to agree with that, the Brits already have four helicopters in-game which is a little overkill. I'd much rather see the OPFOR get some additional helicopters like the Mi-35 etc or even better more work put into British land vehicles like the Jackal or Mastiff.

The model and texture look great though.

You guys simply dont get the fact here that we are not talking about making a new chopper from scratch (like we would for most op-for choppers) we are talking about some relativity simple modifications of this model to turn it into a RAF Puma which doesn't take very long to do...

In other words, we can get anouther chopper ingame for a little bit of extra work.


Salmonella;1306203']but the fact is, as far wikipedia says, Puma its only a shorter/older version, probably neither the UVs need to be changed, so is pretty easy to "make" another model..

the textures are even easier, is only a matter of changing one layer on the .psd

excatly.

Sgt_Doctor
2010-03-28, 13:49
Salmonella;1306203']Hey guys just stay on topic, mi-24 is another thread...

I don't know what exactly is the famous merlin lag, I didn't played PR before 0.87, but I think it should be easier to fix than create another model from scratch..

but the fact is, as far wikipedia says, Puma its only a shorter/older version, probably neither the UVs need to be changed, so is pretty easy to "make" another model..

the textures are even easier, is only a matter of changing one layer on the .psd


Cougar :

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot-restricted/modernplanes/helicopters-a-b/aerospatiale_as_332_super_puma-17916.jpg

Puma :

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/AEROSPATIALE%2C_WESTLAND_PUMA_.png

Salmonella
2010-03-28, 22:33
Cougar :
Puma :


humn, the nose is different too, and it seems a little bit narrower, I'll try something tomorrow...

About the size, I scaled the Cougar to 15.53m length (wikipedia) but compared to the Dice blackhawk it seems over sized, in wikipedia says Blackhawk has 19,76m...

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8746/coubh4.jpg
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5481/coubh3.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8058/coubh2.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6812/coubh.jpg

don't know what is wrong, maybe the BH 19,76 meters is including the rotors...

Amok@ndy
2010-03-28, 23:29
maybe this one is 19m

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/MH-60K_Black_Hawk.jpg

€: found out that the German Wiki of the MH-60 is different : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_UH-60#Technische_Daten
its all in german but the important lines are

Rumpflänge (length without rotors) 15,26 m
Gesamtlänge (length with rotors) 19,76 m

Hauteclocque
2010-03-29, 05:21
Don't worry about the size of the chopper, the blackhawk is from bf2, and how to say this...they fubarded the scale of many vehicles, you're good, the others are wrong. ;)
And yes, sometimes the size includes the rotor, the figures can change.

Rhino
2010-03-29, 05:58
Salmonella;1306985']About the size, I scaled the Cougar to 15.53m length (wikipedia) but compared to the Dice blackhawk it seems over sized, in wikipedia says Blackhawk has 19,76m...

Dont worry about the vBF2 Asset scales, pretty much all vBF2 vehicles are way smaller than they are meant to be (even some of PR's are too just to match up with the vBF2 ones) but for your chopper its best to make it just the r/l size.

Salmonella
2010-03-30, 04:13
I made the all the modifications I could notice

slightly changed air filters and exaust.
removed part of the rear landing gear cover.
removed that thing under the tail
shorthened the body.
resized windows
remodeled nose and cabin.

PUMA
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/4820/coupuma.jpg
COUGAR
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5072/coupuma2.jpg

unfortunately those changes screwed the uvs, and some smooths, tomorrow I'll be fixing it...

162eRI
2010-03-30, 08:57
You never stop don't you!!??!!?? Once again, good job. I'm sure our British fellows will be glad to have it.

Details:
-The door have two windows. But when you open the door, only one windows remain visible, the other one is "hide".
http://info-aviation.com/show_image_615.php?filename=/Puma-RAF.jpg&cat=9&pid=3220&cache=false
-It may have a small thing under the tail, but I found pictures with and without. Older and modern versions? Or British version?
http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/eurocopter_puma_cougar_l1.jpg
http://info-aviation.com/show_image_615.php?filename=/Puma-RAF.jpg&cat=9&pid=3220&cache=false
-Also, what about the cockpit, is it very different from the modern Cougar? I found this, but looking like an old version of the German Puma.
Puma SA 330 - Hubschrauber des Bundesgrenzschutz (http://www.bredow-web.de/Berlin_Schoenefeld/Puma_SA_330/puma_sa_330.html)

At last but not least, since PR made sand filters for the Black Hawk, should we make it for the Puma and Cougar ? Just a question, don't want to give you more work than you already have!
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7728/cnaim7vy.jpg
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicodrefonte/storage/images/media/images/ema/afghanistan__2/arrivee_des_cougar/le_cougar_est_operationnel/790658-1-fre-FR/le_cougar_est_operationnel.jpg
(if those are sand air filters...)

Rhino
2010-03-30, 09:17
really nice work so far.

Sorry on thous refs for the RAF Puma not turning up yet the MAs have some up short so far on that front.

Just one main point I would like to point out with the rotors blades. At the moment they are looking rather blockey and they may also be coming down a little low. I would put some more polies into them to make them look smoother etc. They are only seen in this state when the chopper is on the ground, not in use and when the thing is powering up and when its in flight a 4 tri double side plane is used for the "blurred rotors" so adding some extra tris doesn't really hurt performance too much :)

Here is the Z-9's rotor blades for you to go off if its some help :)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8610/03302010101400.jpg

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5827/03302010101848.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2538/03302010102013.jpg

Although these rotor blades could be better since they dont fully follow the correct shape etc should give you a basic idea on them :)


Keep up the good work :)

Hauteclocque
2010-03-30, 15:38
Damn, as fast as usual Salmonella !

@Rhino : I see pods on this Z9, they were not here last time I saw this chopper...:-P What are you cooking...

BTW, if you want as well to do a French skin for the Puma...:mrgreen:

Sgt_Doctor
2010-03-30, 16:37
Nice one ! It's really interesting for us (FF), we are the primary user of the Puma. :)

Salmonella
2010-03-30, 21:55
You never stop don't you!!??!!?? Once again, good job. I'm sure our British fellows will be glad to have it.

Details:
-The door have two windows. But when you open the door, only one windows remain visible, the other one is "hide".
-It may have a small thing under the tail, but I found pictures with and without. Older and modern versions? Or British version?
-Also, what about the cockpit, is it very different from the modern Cougar? I found this, but looking like an old version of the German Puma.
At last but not least, since PR made sand filters for the Black Hawk, should we make it for the Puma and Cougar ? Just a question, don't want to give you more work than you already have!(if those are sand air filters...)

I'll travel tomorrow and will be back by monday, I'll see what I can do about the sand filters, maybe create an "EXTRA" pack to sandy enviroment.
The cockpit will be another huge job, I'm really not willing to start this right now...
The windows are the easy part..

Rhino;1308094']really nice work so far.

Sorry on thous refs for the RAF Puma not turning up yet the MAs have some up short so far on that front.

Just one main point I would like to point out with the rotors blades. At the moment they are looking rather blockey and they may also be coming down a little low. I would put some more polies into them to make them look smoother etc. They are only seen in this state when the chopper is on the ground, not in use and when the thing is powering up and when its in flight a 4 tri double side plane is used for the "blurred rotors" so adding some extra tris doesn't really hurt performance too much :)

Here is the Z-9's rotor blades for you to go off if its some help :

Although these rotor blades could be better since they dont fully follow the correct shape etc should give you a basic idea on them :)
Keep up the good work :)

Rhino, I really like yours contructive feedback, but I have to totally disagree with this one...
I'm using exactly the same level of detail of all others choppers including Chinook, Havok, BH etc.. and more detail than others like hueys and cobra...

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3897/cougara.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8624/chinookb.jpg
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1526/cobrai.jpg

Furthermore I used less tris as I can but keeping the main silhouete as you can see.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2718/rotorq.jpg

And finally, the example on Z9 blades are by far non-aerodynamics, both uses 4 sides buts the Z9 looks like a 1" thick plank, a 15m length blade should flex a lot when stading still..
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/452/compdg.jpg

Rhino
2010-03-31, 05:49
Salmonella;1308610']Rhino, I really like yours contructive feedback, but I have to totally disagree with this one...
I'm using exactly the same level of detail of all others choppers including Chinook, Havok, BH etc.. and more detail than others like hueys and cobra...

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3897/cougara.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8624/chinookb.jpg
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1526/cobrai.jpg

Furthermore I used less tris as I can but keeping the main silhouete as you can see.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2718/rotorq.jpg

No you have miss understood what I was saying. Ummm its kinda hard to explain so I'll use some pics hehe.

Right now the problem is basically you have quite sharp bends in your blades as its drooping down, due to this blade drooping down much more than other chopper blades do ingame.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/86/20714164.jpg

Simplest way to fix it would be to have the blade drooping less, or to add more tris along its length so you can't see the sharp corners in it as such if you see what I mean?

Salmonella;1308610']And finally, the example on Z9 blades are by far non-aerodynamics, both uses 4 sides buts the Z9 looks like a 1" thick plank, a 15m length blade should flex a lot when stading still..
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/452/compdg.jpg

Ye I know that is what I was mainly referring too when I said the Z-9 blade could be better hehe :)

The only reason why I used the Z-9 is because I had the scene open and to hand :p

Salmonella
2010-04-16, 00:56
Rhino;1308869']
Ye I know that is what I was mainly referring too when I said the Z-9 blade could be better hehe :)

The only reason why I used the Z-9 is because I had the scene open and to hand :p
humn, now I understand...

You may noticed this project is kind stopped, in fact I'm stuck on the internal textures, I had little progress with Hautecloque help, but nothing that worth posting.
Rhino told me about a guy working on the RAF that can help with some photos to enlight me, until that I'll be working on other projects..

So be patient...

Rhino
2010-04-16, 07:42
Salmonella;1323093']Rhino told me about a guy working on the RAF that can help with some photos to enlight me, until that I'll be working on other projects..

So be patient...

Finchy got back from deployment not long ago in fact and he's on leave at the second, once he's back at his base he should be able to fix you up with a bunch of really decent refs :)

Will try to get him to get some feedback to you till then :)

Also I crated a topic for the RAF Puma in the R-CON modelling forums if you missed it.

Sgt_Doctor
2010-04-16, 09:22
Just one thing :

http://uppix.net/3/c/d/332524a07446915d9315972efa4cd.jpg

This part is only on the Cougar, not the Puma.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/8/17/1250541735003/RAF-puma-helicopter-001.jpg

http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/09/02/08/99/pict1214.jpg


http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_free_images/0420-0903-2708-3034_puma_helicopter_on_the_flight_deck_of_uss_iwo _jima_m.jpg
http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/eurocopter_puma_cougar.jpg

Glimmerman
2010-04-16, 10:17
ill once more check my sources for some good refs, no promises because some stuff is still called OPSEC and therefore prohibited to take pictures off.

Sgt_Doctor
2010-04-26, 11:06
Cougar :

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/9/8/1231894.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/9/8/0407896.jpg

sylent/shooter
2010-04-26, 18:54
good eyes doc. Salmon I'm looking forward to playing everything :) Lets just hope I can get enough RAM to account for the continuous upgrades in factions and statics XD

***LeGeNDK1LLER***
2010-04-26, 19:24
Sgt_Doctor;1323309']Just one thing :

http://uppix.net/3/c/d/332524a07446915d9315972efa4cd.jpg



mmm is that a radar?

Rhino
2010-04-26, 19:28
mmm is that a radar?

far to small and I've yet to see a non-attack helicopter with a radar mounted "long-bow" style ontop of the rotor like that. The only reason the attack helicopters have it like that is so they can stay in cover behind ridges and trees while poking there radar over the top of there cover so it can scan the battlefield ahead. With a transport chopper you dont need to do that and its far cheaper and easier to mount the radar (if it even needs one) inside the nose or under the belly etc.

Alex6714
2010-04-26, 21:04
Just looks like a cover for the top of the rotor to me.

Also only use isnt targeting iirc, Brit apaches uses them for terrain following in afghanistan I think and other such things.

Rhino
2010-04-26, 21:21
Well ye radars can do a lot more than just find targets but the main reason for why they are mounted on the top of the rotor on the Apache, ie, long-bow style, is so the radar can scan the battlefield (targets, terrain etc) ahead of the chopper while allowing it to stay behind cover :p

The_MDexs
2010-04-30, 17:00
wow that i a nice Heli

iwillkillyouhun
2010-05-10, 15:47
amazing good job man P:D