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AncientMan
2010-01-20, 22:07
So here is something that I'm sure everyone is eager to see; all the map overviews, for all the maps in Project Reality v0.9. The result of over a week of work, these images show a preview of the map when loading, when in the server browser, and also when selecting maps when creating a local server. It gives the ability to know what a map looks like, without having to load it first.

Here are some example overviews:

http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/020_th.jpg (http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/020.jpg) http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/039_th.jpg (http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/039.jpg) http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/056_th.jpg (http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/056.jpg) http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/091_th.jpg (http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/091.jpg)

You can see all 105 map overviews here in this gallery:
Project Reality Mod v0.9 Map Overviews (http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews)

There are a lot of images in the gallery, please be patient while they load.

The map overviews are subject to change as we get closer to release.

- Lots of secrets

Adriaan
2010-01-20, 22:10
Yay, it's looking awesome!
Can't wait to move out from that Russian cargo ship all World in Conflict style :D
Also, Insurgency with Chechnyans? Sweet!
How can there be so much layers? I thought it was limited to 3 per map?

Ugh too many things to name :D

Rezza
2010-01-20, 22:13
Looks Damn Great!

google
2010-01-20, 22:17
I think this allows for a forum alert change.

Holy Sh*t, Yamalla looks beautiful!

jozi02
2010-01-20, 22:19
No attack chopper for Brits at Quinling alternative?

And also, what does those white X on West and East City Center (at Muttrah AAS Standard) stand for? :)
Or is that a secret?

And Hooray! LAVs on Barracuda :D


I'm gonna miss Ejod and Kufrah :(

atlantisfonn
2010-01-20, 22:21
Horray!!! New maps look awesome!

Sniper77shot
2010-01-20, 22:26
I guess that means canada is in 0.9?

USMCMIDN
2010-01-20, 22:26
the usmc lost Archer? Looks someone needs to make a new USMC vs Taliban map since we are there in Stan now....

other than that cant wait to play!!

psychickactivity
2010-01-20, 22:29
Great thank you ..

Farks
2010-01-20, 22:31
the usmc lost Archer? Looks someone needs to make a new USMC vs Taliban map since we are there in Stan now....

other than that cant wait to play!!
It was actully meant to go to the canadians all along, as the real life Operation Archer is canadian. ;)

503
2010-01-20, 22:31
Damn this looks sweet but what I don't get is why paratroopers have their own airport.

IINoddyII
2010-01-20, 22:31
New maps look tasty.. Thanks very much to the mapmakers for their dedication and efforts :)

Sniper77shot
2010-01-20, 22:32
the usmc lost Archer? Looks someone needs to make a new USMC vs Taliban map since we are there in Stan now....

other than that cant wait to play!!

No, It's always was meant for Canada and USMC was just a placeholder, so they never lost it.

DonDOOM
2010-01-20, 22:33
Looks well cool! Just a bit weird that the US doesn't get an attack chopper on Silent Eagle - Standart
And the Brits on Qinling - Alternative

Ford_Jam
2010-01-20, 22:37
Looks fantastic! :-o
Top job to all involved! :D

Rezza
2010-01-20, 22:40
Beirut made me cry Russian vs IDF is just a lol if PR is going to make a fictional story the Briefing should come back.Russian vs IDF and British vs Chechenya is just suicide.I am not event talking about Canada vs Russia :D.When did all this happen.Is a world war 3 going on in the PR fiction.Will we have a briefing about this so we know whats going on or is it all just about national map balances?

Kirra
2010-01-20, 22:41
Qwai is 2km? Wtf?? I thought it was 1 km

Rissien
2010-01-20, 22:42
Choppers back on Qwai!! Awesome, love the new stuff.
Insurgency and AAS on Iron Ridge.
The tank varients look promising as well

PhoenixxFire
2010-01-20, 22:52
It looks like we are getting tank(s?) on Karbala.
I think Barracuda will get the new AAVs instead of the LAVs, which is pretty cool.
The Vehicle Warfare mode looks pretty awesome for armor crewmen, as well.

SnipeHunt
2010-01-20, 22:56
Are those parachute markers that I see on a few maps?!?!?!?

Aquiller
2010-01-20, 23:00
OMG OMG OMG OMG

Yamalia? Never heard of that one!

:D

Johncro
2010-01-20, 23:04
I love you, nuff said

Zrix
2010-01-20, 23:05
Looking good.

Could it be.. Lynx?!
http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/023.jpg


And Qwai got choppers again \o/

BloodBane611
2010-01-20, 23:07
So many secrets in there, I love it.

Priby
2010-01-20, 23:16
Beirut made me cry Russian vs IDF is just a lol if PR is going to make a fictional story the Briefing should come back.Russian vs IDF and British vs Chechenya is just suicide.I am not event talking about Canada vs Russia :D.When did all this happen.Is a world war 3 going on in the PR fiction.Will we have a briefing about this so we know whats going on or is it all just about national map balances?

Being the usual badasses, the russians start a war with everyone.

But thats some really nice work with some sweet surprises.
I assume we can raise the forum alert level to OMG!!

Xavo|xXx
2010-01-20, 23:18
Awesome work. Thanks to the map makers and Ancientman + PRbot.

Rico
2010-01-20, 23:33
Beirut made me cry Russian vs IDF is just a lol if PR is going to make a fictional story the Briefing should come back.Russian vs IDF and British vs Chechenya is just suicide.I am not event talking about Canada vs Russia :D.When did all this happen.Is a world war 3 going on in the PR fiction.Will we have a briefing about this so we know whats going on or is it all just about national map balances?

I'd have to agree with you there Rez. I think the map focus has gone slightly in the wrong direction compared to the game play. Personally I'd like to see more realistic map battles, e.g with the Canadians, US, Brits, in Aghfan/Iraq, and not so many "fictional" ones.

gazzthompson
2010-01-20, 23:38
I'd have to agree with you there Rez. I think the map focus has gone slightly in the wrong direction compared to the game play. Personally I'd like to see more realistic map battles, e.g with the Canadians, US, Brits, in Aghfan/Iraq, and not so many "fictional" ones.

well there is 8 maps in .9 set in afghan/iraq, gotta vary it abit.

USMCMIDN
2010-01-20, 23:38
It was actully meant to go to the canadians all along, as the real life Operation Archer is canadian. ;)

my point was the majority fighting in Afghanistan is US and Brits... and now with the USMC stepping things up with strike of sword, Battle of Now Zad, Cobra's Anger etc... we should have at least 1 map in Afghanistan I was a little disappointed.....:( at least 1 lol maybe those will be in the future if only I knew how to make maps

as for the fallujah thing that was Iraq lol I was thinking more of the lines of Afghanistan (and an actual battle not one made up) ...But dont get me wrong I think these maps are sweet and I want to play them. Im just saying USMC needs 1 in Stan.

gazzthompson
2010-01-20, 23:40
well, USMC got fallujah so thats something.

Rezza
2010-01-20, 23:44
I'd have to agree with you there Rez. I think the map focus has gone slightly in the wrong direction compared to the game play. Personally I'd like to see more realistic map battles, e.g with the Canadians, US, Brits, in Aghfan/Iraq, and not so many "fictional" ones.

Happy that i am not alone :)

ChiefRyza
2010-01-20, 23:46
PR would be pretty bloody bland if all the maps were based in Afghanistan/Iraq.

galeknight1
2010-01-20, 23:46
This is incredible, I am officially hyped up for 0.9. I don't have anything especially contructive to say, but love the new maps and thanks for the hard work devs.

Rezza
2010-01-20, 23:54
There are alot of more real combat areas else than Afghanistan and Iraq :(

WilsonPL
2010-01-20, 23:56
Too many UK vs Chechen maps..

Rico
2010-01-20, 23:56
PR would be pretty bloody bland if all the maps were based in Afghanistan/Iraq.

You missed my point entirely.

There are alot of more real combat areas else than Afghanistan and Iraq :(

What he said ^^ :)

I hope this doesn't come across as moaning, as thats not the intention. I'm looking forward to .9 just as much as everyone else! Mere suggestions, lets say.

WilsonPL
2010-01-20, 23:57
Too many UK vs Chechen maps..

UK vs old militia faction is ok, but chechens..

ChiefRyza
2010-01-21, 00:02
Well, I do enjoy the real combat areas, but I also think the fictional maps/areas allow PR to have a variety of locations instead of the same 'decor' if you know what I mean. Not many games can have you fighting Taliban in a mountainous region one map, the next assaulting a tropical island, fighting rebels in Russia etc.

galeknight1
2010-01-21, 00:05
Whats the problem with chechen maps? I personally love them, and the faction isn't really anything to complain about.

ThePieSpy
2010-01-21, 00:14
Wow im pumped for Beirut. Really who cares that much about the back story in a completely multiplayer game. All it would serve to do is restrict the amount of content in the mod. Thats half the fun of gaming is you get to play out these "what-if" scenarios.

USMCMIDN
2010-01-21, 00:17
Happy that i am not alone :)

ditto I rarely play made up battles... but that being said there are more hot spots in the world than Stan and Iraq..im glad the devs r finally getting into other hot spots in the world such as israel and africa lol.... but that being said there are so many different spots in afghanistan to explore wen it comes to combat... but seriously we (usmc) need a afghanistan map anyone want to team up with me on making one?

NightFalcon
2010-01-21, 00:21
OMG! OMG! Kashan Vehicle Warfare! OMG!

Gunner4712
2010-01-21, 00:23
Absolutely spectacular!! Great work Devs!!!

AnRK
2010-01-21, 00:26
I'd have to agree with you there Rez. I think the map focus has gone slightly in the wrong direction compared to the game play. Personally I'd like to see more realistic map battles, e.g with the Canadians, US, Brits, in Aghfan/Iraq, and not so many "fictional" ones.

I assume you mean that there should be some historical background to the conflicts, if that were the case then the PLA wouldn't have any action whatsoever, unless you were gonna put them against Muslim rebels in the West or something. That kinda premise would pretty much turn PR into nothing but constant X Vs. Insurgents/Guerillas.

The only things I can really think of in terms of battles with current/modern historical background would be for Euro and US forces to be fighting Insurgents and the Taliban, and for Russia to be fighting the Chechens. Without some speculation there really isn't gonna be much going on. I'm no huge international relations buff or anything but I don't know of any all out wars that are going on between two conventional forces, and if was all Insurgency and Guerilla based then there'd be alot of wasted potential in the game. The only conflict that seems a little silly out of any of them is Russia Vs. IDF.

richyrich55
2010-01-21, 00:26
http://i47.tinypic.com/2rp4qop.jpg

oldcrankyman
2010-01-21, 00:28
Nice, hurry up, dammit!

Cptkanito
2010-01-21, 00:33
can't wait :)

ma21212
2010-01-21, 00:34
vehicle warfare? amazing! i just hope to god that servers gonna play it alot
http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/056.jpg

sniperrocks
2010-01-21, 00:39
Yay Canada!
Awesome map overviews!!!

theflidgeface
2010-01-21, 00:46
omg this looks awesome, and USMC will probably get a map in Stan sooner or later so dont worry (:

Snazz
2010-01-21, 00:47
EPIC

Just about every existing map has received significant tweaks, so many it's hard to remember them all. In addition we have integrated CO-OP, Chechen and Hamas Insurgency, Russian airpower, a tank warfare mode, etc.

BTW what's the difference between Standard and Alternative Yamalia?

Beirut made me cry Russian vs IDF is just a lol if PR is going to make a fictional story the Briefing should come back. When did all this happen.Is a world war 3 going on in the PR fiction.
PR is already in an unrealistic WW3 scenario (MEC, Invasion of China), you can thank DICE for that. The lack of Briefing and official story allows more creative freedom.

I think Barracuda will get the new AAVs instead of the LAVs, which is pretty cool.
Eventually I imagine, we haven't even seen a skinned AAV yet so it could be a while off.

Qwai is 2km? Wtf?? I thought it was 1 km
Theres a bit of surrounding terrain we don't normally see, that may be why it seems smaller.

Just a bit weird that the US doesn't get an attack chopper on Silent Eagle - Standart
And the Brits on Qinling - Alternative
I'm guessing it's either for asymmetric balance purposes or just an error.

And also, what does those white X on West and East City Center (at Muttrah AAS Standard) stand for? :)
Or is that a secret?
Possibly it's slightly random, or could just be an error.

I'm gonna miss Ejod and Kufrah :(
They're making a retro/old map pack with the removed maps as well. Whether they'll have populated servers is another matter.

If anything I said was ninja'd it's because there were like 25 posts made while I typed this.

LyfTaker
2010-01-21, 00:49
So many maps! Such great additions and changes! So much fun to be had! Where am I going to find the time? The wife is really gonna disown me, now :(

Cpt.Kawakowitsch
2010-01-21, 00:54
APC and attack choppers on Barracuda for US and China gets the FAV, looks like quite a match... :(

Excavus
2010-01-21, 00:56
Heh, you guys misspelled Siege at Ochamachira.

Rissien
2010-01-21, 01:00
APC and attack choppers on Barracuda for US and China gets the FAV, looks like quite a match... :(

Well they got their fob tow missles that'l wrech havok on any landing forces if they put em near the shoreline.

Snazz
2010-01-21, 01:03
H[=ElvishKnight;1238924']Well they got their fob tow missles that'l wrech havok on any landing forces if they put em near the shoreline.
Very good point.

Natural defensive positions + FOBs w/ AA and TOWs.

scharf
2010-01-21, 01:09
wooooah look at all the maps with attack choppers ive almost lost count .

crazy11
2010-01-21, 01:10
Are those parachute markers that I see on a few maps?!?!?!?

Maybe :wink:

Robbi
2010-01-21, 01:19
:D :D

Zach1923
2010-01-21, 01:19
Damn, these maps are amazing. 0.9 release is gonna be even better than Christmas!

Lovin the new base on Korengal Vally. The base location for that map in 0.8 is horrible....
All the new maps look even better than I expected as well! Great job! Cant wait for the release. :-P

Excavus
2010-01-21, 01:44
Al Basrah 2km - GB vs. INS
Asad Khal 1km - IDF vs. HAM
Battle for Quinling 4km - GB vs. PLA
Beirut 2km - IDF vs. RUS
Dragon Fly 2km - GB vs. CHE
Fallujah West 1km - USMC vs. INS
Fools Road 2km - GB vs. CHE
Gaza Beach 1km - IDF vs. HAM
Iron Ridge 2km - RUS vs. CHE
Jabal Al Burj 2km - USMC vs. MEC
Karbala 2km - USA vs. INS
Kashan Desert 4km - USA vs. MEC
Korengal Valley 1km - USA vs. TAL
Kozelsk 2km - RUS vs. CHE
Lashkar Valley 2km - GB vs. TAL
Muttrah City 2km - USMC vs. MEC
Operation Barracuda 2km - USMC vs. PLA
Operation Archer 2km - CAN vs. TAL
Qwai River 2km - USA vs. PLA
Ramiel 2km - USA vs. INS
Siege at Ochamachira 2km - GB vs. CHE
Silent Eagle 4km - USA vs. RUS
Yamalia 4km - CAN vs. RUS

TOTAL MAPS: 23
TOTAL FACTIONS: 12
TOTAL 4KM MAPS: 4
TOTAL 2KM MAPS: 15
TOTAL 1KM MAPS: 4
TOTAL INSURGENCY MAPS: 9
TOTAL ASSAULT AND SECURE MAPS: 15

TOTAL MAPS FOR EACH FACTION:
United States Army - 6 maps (2 4km, 3 2km, 1 1km)
Great Britain - 6 maps (1 4km, 5 2km)
Russia - 5 maps (2 4km, 3 2km)
United States Marine Corps - 4 maps (3 2km, 1 1km)
Insurgents - 4 maps (3 2km, 1 1km)
Chechnya - 5 maps (5 2km)
Israel - 3 maps (1 2km, 2 1km)
People’s Liberation Army - 3 maps (1 4km, 2 2km)
Middle Eastern Coalition - 3 maps (1 4km, 2 2km)
Taliban - 3 maps (2 2km, 1 1km)
Hamas - 2 maps (2 1km)
Canada - 2 maps (1 4km, 1 2km)

Done for reference.

ReapersWarrior
2010-01-21, 02:03
having a tank in fallujah is gonna be interesting. =)

agentscar
2010-01-21, 02:20
All the maps look amazing..Glad to see AAS version of Basrah back in PR! :)

Snazz
2010-01-21, 03:26
Dragon Fly 2km - GB vs. CHE
Fools Road 2km - GB vs. CHE
Iron Ridge 2km - RUS vs. CHE
Kozelsk 2km - RUS vs. CHE
Siege at Ochamachira 2km - GB vs. CHE

Chechnya - 4 maps
5 maps ;)

Good effort anyway.

Fockzhound
2010-01-21, 03:41
Extreme.

bazza_1964
2010-01-21, 03:50
So much fun is coming our way....and I think a whole new audience...

master of the templars
2010-01-21, 04:15
I suggested Insurgency with Chechen's (militia in those days) two years ago, good to see it finally appear :)

Magrioteli
2010-01-21, 06:51
Let me just quote "Monty, 'Excellent.'

http://i49.tinypic.com/4kd3du.jpg

This sure looks great fellows! You are an amazing team, and I say; without you BF2 would not have been on my computer the last three - four years.

MadTommy
2010-01-21, 07:21
Great work map team et al.

All these new maps will breath new life into PR.

EDIT: holy smoke.. Qwai River survived!

Cpt.Kawakowitsch
2010-01-21, 07:42
H[=ElvishKnight;1238924']Well they got their fob tow missles that'l wrech havok on any landing forces if they put em near the shoreline.

Right, looks ok in theory, but I have my doubts that this will work out. Maybe on pubs this will work out somehow, but in organized matches, this will get china a really hard time. Well it is just a thought and I don't want to judge it before playing.

EDIT: holy smoke.. Qwai River survived!

IMO Qwai is one of the best maps in PR, so at least I am glad it survived. :)

bosco_
2010-01-21, 07:47
It looks and plays different than the one in 0.874 though. :p

masterceo
2010-01-21, 08:25
so many epic maps! how can i thank you for all that DEVs?

splatters
2010-01-21, 08:26
I'm in awe. The size, quality and variability of this 'mod' is unbelievable!

Nebsif
2010-01-21, 08:29
Taaanks, so many tanks!!!!!!!!!!!111 Russians (<3) are fightin vs teh whole world!!11 Cant wait for those tank fights!!

cyberzomby
2010-01-21, 08:33
Dang thats a lot of maps! Im also looking forward to singleplayer being integrated :) Early morning of quick PR rounds before I go to work :P

Truism
2010-01-21, 09:19
Looks good. Too many IDF maps though. Particularly disappointing to see MEC taken off Asad.

MEC seem to be being written out of the game. Which is a huge shame, as they're easily the coolest faction owing to their battlerifleness. Edit: Same with PLA - only 3 maps for each now compared to 5 for Russia. Even the Chechans now have more maps than these staples of PR at 4.

The US now sits comfortably on 10 maps.


I can't understand taking OGT and stuff out. PLA are losing all of their maps, despite being a great faction that has no major problems. Additionally the mod's popularity is growing in China, so it's a shame to lose so many of the maps featuring their home country. Food for thought over the next few versions eh :\

bosco_
2010-01-21, 09:22
Yeah, why should a brand new faction that took over a year to complete get 3 maps. Shocking!

:roll:

STORM-Mama
2010-01-21, 09:27
People who whine about "unrealistic scenarios" can start their own server with nothing but Afghan/Iraqi maps on the maplist. I don't think PR have ever been about realistic map-scenarios, but realistic gameplay. I'm still having problem with Brits vs. Chechens, though. :wink:

I like it all! See very much focus on Russia for this release. Which is nice since they really deserve it! Yamalia, Beirut, Iron Ridge and Silent Eagle look so awesome.

motherdear
2010-01-21, 09:30
Eventually I imagine, we haven't even seen a skinned AAV yet so it could be a while off.


;) let's just say that you shouldn't get your hopes up too much

AfterDune
2010-01-21, 09:37
Asad was always meant for IDF vs Hamas. GB vs MEC were just there as a placeholder.

Truism
2010-01-21, 09:43
bosco;1239180']Yeah, why should a brand new faction that took over a year to complete get 3 maps. Shocking!

:roll:

When the two main antagonists have been cut down to 3 apiece, it seems a little odd. While I'm all for having a lot of robust factions, I'm not for throwing the baby out with the bathwater - the MEC and China are integral parts of this mod and it's a shame to see them starting to be written out.

Wasn't the whole concept of PR to take the good bits of BF2 and make it realistic? The best bits of BF2 was having a unique MEC faction and acknowledging the rising power of China.

Given that Quinling never sees play (it hasn't even really been finished yet, the runways are too short for the aircraft, which themselves have numerous glitches - Quinling is still in something more like a prolonged beta phase), PLA only _really_ have two maps.
MEC now has Kashan, Jabal and Muttrah. In Muttrah they're still pretty much punching bags for a superior opponent despite it being a beautiful map.


Of particular curiosity is the lack of IDF vs MEC maps, and the lack of PLA vs Russia maps.

Also interesting is the fact that maps don't have layers with different factions. For example Kashan would make a great IDF vs MEC map, or Quinling a great PLA vs Russia map. Nearly all maps could support this sort of layering (unless there's a mechanical problem with it), for example most of the Chechan vs GB/Russia maps could be Russia vs GB, and most of the Insurgency maps could either be AAS with MEC and another faction or Insurgency with MEC vs Insurgents.


The map selection looks really good for the release, but it's a massive shame about the MEC and China.

motherdear
2010-01-21, 09:56
The map selection looks really good for the release, but it's a massive shame about the MEC and China.

get mapping then. a few of these maps are only being placeholder maps. but maps like OGT even though it was awesome was really getting really really small. with additions such as the scoped MG's, H-at at firebases etc etc it would almost be impossible to play. it would simply be a stalemate since you can't pull off any real flanking maneuvers etc.

i would love more mec and pla maps just as you would. but the reality is that most mappers make US maps or maps for the new factions since they have the most interest at the moment.

Sabre_tooth_tigger
2010-01-21, 10:04
How can there be so much layers? I thought it was limited to 3 per map?


Different game modes also. I had no idea there was so many new maps planned

Amok@ndy
2010-01-21, 10:11
wow awesome :)

Simmage
2010-01-21, 10:32
OH GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *exploads*

Canada AND the IDF in a single release!? There is a God, and he loves us all! :D

Truism
2010-01-21, 10:38
motherdear;1239200']get mapping then. a few of these maps are only being placeholder maps. but maps like OGT even though it was awesome was really getting really really small. with additions such as the scoped MG's, H-at at firebases etc etc it would almost be impossible to play. it would simply be a stalemate since you can't pull off any real flanking maneuvers etc.

i would love more mec and pla maps just as you would. but the reality is that most mappers make US maps or maps for the new factions since they have the most interest at the moment.

Mapping might be interesting, except that the BF2 editor won't even open on my computer and I blow balls at anything even vaguely related creating things, as I learned when I tried to animate. :'(

I don't see how flanking maneuvre weren't viable in OGT. You could only see a few hundred meters thanks to the thick fog and dense vegetation. Flanks up or down the west of the map to infiltrate the enemy's lines to disrupt his supply lines or nina into a solid defensive position they can't dislodge you from in the middle of their AO work really well, as PRT's NATO would remember.

PR needs maps with low view distance because not every battlespace allows you to employ your weapons to their maximum ranges ever. Maps with unique environmental characteristics (that get complained about "not fitting with the style of gameplay of the mod's current version") like OGT are a really good thing, even if they put bees in people's bonnets, because they force people to improvise and break from the same tactics that work in the bulk of PR's (often cookiecutter) tactical situations. Gameplay and mapping features like this are actually a really good thing because they promote diversity.

The bridge could have used a bit of clearing up to make attacking over it a bit faster, but basically it was a really good map.

Oh well.

wuschel
2010-01-21, 11:24
This looks great! So many great maps, and even some more in the pipeline!

Serbiak
2010-01-21, 11:26
YAY many many new maps. That´s gonna be some exiting exploring first rounds.

BloodyDeed
2010-01-21, 11:40
theres only one word that can describe this: epic!

Big Lebowski
2010-01-21, 12:11
I'd have to agree with you there Rez. I think the map focus has gone slightly in the wrong direction compared to the game play. Personally I'd like to see more realistic map battles, e.g with the Canadians, US, Brits, in Aghfan/Iraq, and not so many "fictional" ones.
Agreed. Im all for fictional conflicts.. but atleast try with some believable scenarios.

Chechnya vs. GB... eh.. what?

Adriaan
2010-01-21, 12:11
I wouldn't worry too much about the older maps getting removed, since if i recall correctly it was stated several times by Devs that a map pack with alot of old and even older maps is very likely to come.

Nick_Gunar
2010-01-21, 12:25
102 maps !!!!

Sincerely, I am not surprised anymore since everyday we have something new, awesome and everything lol.
And everyday, we say "thanks - good job" !!

.....But I like to repeat to myself :))

Warpig-
2010-01-21, 12:33
102 images, 4-5 game types and variations for each map. Roughly 20+ maps

AnRK
2010-01-21, 12:36
vehicle warfare? amazing! i just hope to god that servers gonna play it alot

It's not that unlikely there'll end up being at least 1 dedicated vehicle combat server.

rampo
2010-01-21, 12:47
http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/087.jpg
What do we have here... :)

DrugKoala
2010-01-21, 12:59
Apache? Holy fuck.

What, no Sangin? Have I missed somewhere what's going on with it?

Darkside
2010-01-21, 13:04
Wow amazing!!
nice work devs ;)

rampo
2010-01-21, 13:07
Apache? Holy fu*k.



It can also be a attack helicopter like the littlebird, just noticed theres also a normal LB :)

Alex6714
2010-01-21, 13:23
You should also notice that its Coop. ;)

Scheintot887
2010-01-21, 13:29
Pls stop to make the Factions unrealistic like on Fools road "UK vs Chechen".......

Russ vs chechen was ok... why you change it? Project REALITY<- ?

evya
2010-01-21, 13:45
GB vs Checens is very strange choice, but since its fiction its ok... i guess

though im jealous at the beta testers, they get to play all those awesome maps first:(

derg
2010-01-21, 13:46
Before the Russian Faction was introduced to PR, the teams on Fools Road were UK vs. PLA

Oak
2010-01-21, 13:48
Awesome.

Some issues spotted:


AAS and Infantry versions both report the same map size... not sure if that's intentional or not.
Siege at Ochamachira, AAS Infantry & AAS Standard: no flags in map overview make it hard to understand which side is where. I think it's the only image without flags.
Fools Road, AAS Random Standard: says "Chechen Fortress 140n" instead of "140m".

Scheintot887
2010-01-21, 13:49
No, UK Vs Millitia....

UK was an placeholder for the Russian.... and know they changed it again.... sry, but at 0.9 you failed...

Raegron
2010-01-21, 13:50
Awesome work, PR team! I am really looking forward to this release :).

I can't understand why so many people are whining about the factions and all. Why can't you just be happy with what you get for free?

Aquiller
2010-01-21, 13:52
How do you spell siege, like Siege at Ochamachira?

Because at some screens i've seen 'Seige'. ;)

Scheintot887
2010-01-21, 13:53
Cauz its called Project REALITY.... I cant understand it why they change the factions....

derg
2010-01-21, 13:55
If you didnt notice, there is no America fighting against China. Actually the MEC doesnt exist either.

Scheintot887
2010-01-21, 13:59
Yes BUT Kashan Desert remembered on the Golf War....
PLA, thats true but why they make fools road more unrealistic? Its possible to make it more realistic with the right factions... thats my point..

LeChuckle
2010-01-21, 14:05
yay for chechen insurgency map:15_cheers

Protector
2010-01-21, 14:10
Project REALITY seem to think creating fictional battles between armies that haven't fought recently is perfectly accceptable... the rest of us just think its way to create more maps. Beirut anyone...

Edit : It wouldn't be so bad if the factional battles were between armies that actually fight eachother...

bosco_
2010-01-21, 14:20
Create your own map if you get so butthurt over factions. ;)

=]H[=COEMAN
2010-01-21, 14:23
Sweet! New Insurgency Maps

Truism
2010-01-21, 14:29
Agreed. Im all for fictional conflicts.. but atleast try with some believable scenarios.

Chechnya vs. GB... eh.. what?

Pls stop to make the Factions unrealistic like on Fools road "UK vs Chechen".......

Russ vs chechen was ok... why you change it? Project REALITY<- ?

No, UK Vs Millitia....

UK was an placeholder for the Russian.... and know they changed it again.... sry, but at 0.9 you failed...

Cauz its called Project REALITY.... I cant understand it why they change the factions....

The original maker of the Operation Dragonfly series never intended for his maps to be Russia vs Chechnya from what I've heard. Besides which, the maps could really boring when infantry combat was pretty much always AK vs AK compared to how wildly different the two sides used to be (particularly when the old Militia officer had an SVD).

Also, if you'd care to recall, the scenario was a British led crackdown on an international arms dealer in the region. It's not so crazy that they'd be dodgey Chechans, though I'd prefer a non-specific Militia personally.


Project REALITY seem to think creating fictional battles between armies that haven't fought recently is perfectly accceptable... the rest of us just think its way to create more maps. Beirut anyone...

Edit : It wouldn't be so bad if the factional battles were between armies that actually fight eachother...

AND YOU
Please take note of what wars PR depicts: US vs China, US vs fictional MEC and so on. Project REALITY depicts not yet realised wars in realistic ways. Your tone of condescension actually made me a little angry, which really says something given how much I criticise on the forums.

Lucke189
2010-01-21, 14:38
It can also be a attack helicopter like the littlebird, just noticed theres also a normal LB :)

That's old news - The americans already have 2 apaches in PRSP. And you're link were to a Co-op map, thus the same. : )

Panzerfire
2010-01-21, 14:44
Personally I find the new maps as very promising and I know I'll enjoy them. That's for sure.

IMO fictional scenarios are not a problem what so ever since what PR aims for is a realistic combat experience... not a realistic historical-based plot that may or actually does happen today or in the near future. That sort of objective would limit the mod's vast potential.

If anyone really doesn't want to respect the Devs decision about the faction layout of the maps, then that person can feel free to pick another game to play.


And now for the lulz.... when do we get a Moscow map? =3

motherdear
2010-01-21, 14:49
Pls stop to make the Factions unrealistic like on Fools road "UK vs Chechen".......

Russ vs chechen was ok... why you change it? Project REALITY<- ?

because it's not the chechens fighting. this map used to be a british map and so did mestia. it was altered for the russians though to make it possible to get them integrated with enough maps.

fools road has and always will be one of 3 maps that are meant to be played in a trilogi. mestia, fools, and dragonfly. if you had played back in the day with the introduction of mestia and eventually fools road. you would know that they were fighting there as a NATO force.

and just because the name is project reality doesn't mean that we can't put our forces where ever we want them. this might as well be in kosovo as it could be in chechnya.

Protector
2010-01-21, 15:05
bosco;1239410']Create your own map if you get so butthurt over factions. ;)

I'm a texture artist by trade so no i will leave the maps to the mappers.


AND YOU
Please take note of what wars PR depicts: US vs China, US vs fictional MEC and so on. Project REALITY depicts not yet realised wars in realistic ways. Your tone of condescension actually made me a little angry, which really says something given how much I criticise on the forums.

I know what PR already depicts in regards to fictional battles and the work is fantastic but it just seems a little odd to put so much effort into realistic modern warfare(INS v BLUFOR, IDF vs Hamas, Taliban vs Blufor, Rus vs Chech) and then create fictional modern battles when there is so much more that can be done realistically.

In regards to my tone I don't want it too seem patronizing & I mean no disrespect towards the developers as their work is incredible, i'm afraid my sarcastic ways get me into a little bit of bother sometimes but i mean nothing by this.

Maxfragg
2010-01-21, 15:07
why the heck do people prefere fighting over and over in iraq, instead of beeing glad that your giving us a variety of different szenarios? i mean, come on, its not "Project Wars of the last Years", PR was always meant to feature current armys/ armies of nnext 10 years, fighting in mostly fictional wars

@Panzerfire /signed

Arquin
2010-01-21, 15:16
Awesome new maps! Silent eagle and Beirut looks most interesting to me.
I wish for the day you will introduce EU faction ^^! Would be nice also to have more varied maps, seems to me that the only maps are either woodlands or desert. =( Nonetheless, nice job!

Kilgore.dfa
2010-01-21, 15:29
I have a question.

Are Canada and British forces friendly? I suppose they are. If so;

In the new settings British forces fight with Chechen forces which is the enemy of Russians. But, on the other side Canadian forces fight with Russians.

So, in this case, it seems like British forces are helping Russia by eliminating their enemy (Chechens) or, at least, keeping them busy. Thus betraying Canada?

Is there an explanation for this?

Gunner4712
2010-01-21, 15:36
Well in the PR Tournament, I think that Chechen Rebels are considered a BLUFOR faction. This is only based off of what I've heard so you might have to check that out. That being said, it still doesn't explain why the British and the Chechen's are fighting seeing that by my logic, they're both BLUFOR

I have a question.

Are Canada and British forces friendly? I suppose they are. If so;

In the new settings British forces fight with Chechen forces which is the enemy of Russians. But, on the other side Canadian forces fight with Russians.

So, in this case, it seems like British forces are helping Russia by eliminating their enemy (Chechens) or, at least, keeping them busy. Thus betraying Canada?

Is there an explaination for this?

Maxfragg
2010-01-21, 15:36
simple explaination, the world is not black/white, there still is something inbetween, and while russia and canada are fighting the north for oil, and russia is trying to grow by fighting the chechens, the british forces still try to eliminate the danger of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of chechen militia

Kilgore.dfa
2010-01-21, 15:38
the british forces still try to eliminate the danger of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of chechen militia


What a danger while Russia is standing right next to Chechens with shitloads of weapons of mass destruction.

Maxfragg
2010-01-21, 15:48
What a danger while Russia is standing right next to Chechens with shitloads of weapons of mass destruction.

seriously, you should not take me by word, its just been a quick suggestion how the storyline, if there would be one, clould look like. maybe it would help, to see the chechens as a random westasian militia, just as they where originaly meant to be

Yeti Pilot
2010-01-21, 15:55
Silent eagle looks awesome

Kilgore.dfa
2010-01-21, 15:55
Anyway, for me, new decisions seem irrelevant.

Nebsif
2010-01-21, 15:56
If u guys care about the back story (which doesnt exist) so much U could think that the battles happen in diff years, like at 1st its every1 vs taliban/chechenz, and a few years later something happened and it became every1 vs Russia (US, Canada, IDF and many other upcoming factions)

evya
2010-01-21, 16:02
also IDF fight russians, russians fight chech, chech fight GB, GB is allied with US and both countries are allied with israel, so what happened to the enemy of my enemy is my friend? or bigger question, since GB , and chech are[for now] NATO armies in the tourny, and i bet CATA wont get the IDF[wont make much sense] and probaly not Canada than who plays who as russians/chech forces in tourny?

EnermaX
2010-01-21, 16:19
Hell yeah!

Can't wait to play Silent Eagle... looks awesome


Wait...

Seige at Ochamachira? Doesn't it mean siege? Plz correct me if I'm wrong

Rudd
2010-01-21, 16:24
I before E except after C



DAMNIT! :(

PLODDITHANLEY
2010-01-21, 16:41
Teh Rudd has spoken.....

H after T except on forums?

Cool maps so much choice for sizes and assets, i see lots of event nights on the horizon.

WilsonPL
2010-01-21, 16:52
On Mapswith U vs Chechens, replace chechen faction with old militia forces. :idea:

Jedimushroom
2010-01-21, 17:03
It has become apparent that some people are not happy with the new map changes, as such I believe it appropriate to remind everyone of the forum alert level:

Level is currently at OMG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/JustaGuy778/Testing%20Pics/PRAlerts-1.jpg






None of you have played these new maps and do not know how they will play out. The British vs Chechnyans/Militia thing was always part of the mod since either faction was added, and there is a proper backstory to it, concerning weapons dealers and such.

Speculation involves assumptions, and remember: when you assume you make a ass out of u and me.

Snazz
2010-01-21, 17:26
Massive quote reply post:

MEC seem to be being written out of the game. Which is a huge shame, as they're easily the coolest faction owing to their battlerifleness.
Any future AAS map set in the middle east can have MEC on it, so expect to see more of them. For example Rudd's making a 4x4km desert map with MEC that will eat Kashan for breakfast.

I can't understand taking OGT and stuff out.
The reasons have been explained numerous times by DEVs.

MEC and China are integral parts of this mod
I consider them to be integral parts of vanilla BF2, kept and updated for PR due to convenience. They've had years of playtime so it's fair that new factions get more maps.

What, no Sangin? Have I missed somewhere what's going on with it?
No DEV ever said it was finished yet. Detailed, unprecedented, 4x4km Afghanistan maps take a lot more time than we can imagine.

AAS and Infantry versions both report the same map size... not sure if that's intentional or not.
Because the map size is the same, only the field of battle changes.

Yes BUT Kashan Desert remembered on the Golf War....
Lol 'Golf War', The Gulf War was against Iraq. Kashan is actually in Iran and MEC doesn't exist.

motherdear;1239451']because it's not the chechens fighting.
This needs to be cleared up because everyone here is thinking they are Chechens. Which is natural because the flags are the same and in the highlight reel image of Iron Ridge it says Chechen Militia.

I wish for the day you will introduce EU faction ^^!
That's been suggested countless times, It's not going to happen.

seems to me that the only maps are either woodlands or desert.
There are at least 10 maps with urban areas on them, out of 23 total. As well as a jungle island, industrial area, farmland and mountain valleys.

bosco_
2010-01-21, 17:32
By the way, there are Chechens 'militants' currently fighting against Coalition troops in Afghanistan.

:p

Yeti Pilot
2010-01-21, 17:50
I also didnt notice operation snow storm in the list, did the Dev's take it out?

AnimalMother.
2010-01-21, 17:54
wow


love all the new maps and the variations on all the maps too! so many possibilities, i just hope that server owners are sensible enough to run layers other then AAS/Insurgency standard.

integration of SP and COOP looks fun too, can take anger out on bots when things aren't working out too well



brits back on fools again <3 and Russian air powaaaaaaaaaaaa! and amphibious assault, awesome

really can't wait to play

-Sauso-
2010-01-21, 17:57
I also didnt notice operation snow storm in the list, did the Dev's take it out?

It was just a little something extra released until .9 came out.

Deer
2010-01-21, 18:40
Pls stop to make the Factions unrealistic like on Fools road "UK vs Chechen".......

Russ vs chechen was ok... why you change it? Project REALITY<- ?

In Red Alert 2 i made own custom map, and in the map i made script where 2 cargo planes crashed into skycrapers, infact if i remember correctly, those 2 biggest skycrapers what Redalert 2 had was named as "world trade center" in the map editor... year or so later, it happened in real life =) true story.

Gunner4712
2010-01-21, 18:42
Its funny because yesterday, a few of us were talking on TG about making Kashan tanks only and reenacting the battle of el amien!
Really like the new alternate game modes!

Yrkidding
2010-01-21, 18:56
Cant wait to play as the Canadians finally! Some awesome lookin maps there, good work devs.

sharpie
2010-01-21, 19:12
Oh.
My.
God.

Firepower01
2010-01-21, 19:16
Oh my god defense maps :D. I LOVE defending.

Edit: Oh my god, just realized Canada gets a 4km map.

Jigsaw
2010-01-21, 19:17
Too many UK vs Chechen maps..

UK vs old militia faction is ok, but chechens..

What is the difference, the only thing that changed is the name and feasably the British Forces could be mounting an offensive on Chechen arms dealers/Chechen muslim terrorists/etc etc. You must understand that the Fools Road/Dragonfly series of maps were always designed to be British against Militia and the only reason the Russians were added was because they did not have any new maps of their own.

I'd have to agree with you there Rez. I think the map focus has gone slightly in the wrong direction compared to the game play. Personally I'd like to see more realistic map battles, e.g with the Canadians, US, Brits, in Aghfan/Iraq, and not so many "fictional" ones.

I completely disagree. Project Reality is about realistic gameplay on the BF2 engine and not realistic scenarios. PR has no official timeline/backstory/setting and therefore has complete artistic license in the creation of any scenario. Imho this creates a game with more variety than any other in the genre, which can only be a positive thing.

Awesome.

Some issues spotted:


AAS and Infantry versions both report the same map size... not sure if that's intentional or not.
Siege at Ochamachira, AAS Infantry & AAS Standard: no flags in map overview make it hard to understand which side is where. I think it's the only image without flags.



Intentional. The only thing that changes is the asset layout. For the smaller clan focused maps you need to be looking for the Skirmish layer.
The flags are denoted by the blue circles. British are BLUFOR in this instance and therefore deploy around the blue flags. The Chechens are OPFOR and deploy as per the red arrows.


Project REALITY seem to think creating fictional battles between armies that haven't fought recently is perfectly accceptable... the rest of us just think its way to create more maps. Beirut anyone...

Edit : It wouldn't be so bad if the factional battles were between armies that actually fight eachother...

Question yourself on how many armies are actually fighting each other right now or in recent history. You'll find that the options are pretty limited and most do not fit the factions that PR has. Additionally there has not truly been a full conventional war (for example as depicted in Kashan Desert) since WW2 and conflicts of this kind are therefore impossible to depict in a realistic modern setting.

As stated above, PR has no timeline or backstory and is therefore free to choose battles that will provide the best gameplay experience.

Looks good. Too many IDF maps though. Particularly disappointing to see MEC taken off Asad.

Ya, because 3 maps is far too many for PR's brand new faction :roll:

MEC seem to be being written out of the game. Which is a huge shame, as they're easily the coolest faction owing to their battlerifleness. Edit: Same with PLA - only 3 maps for each now compared to 5 for Russia. Even the Chechans now have more maps than these staples of PR at 4.

I consider the MEC to be a product solely of vanilla BF2 and the more of that influence we can get rid of the better. Whilst the scenarios (through necessity) are not all realistic all of the factions in PR are based on real life armed forces except the MEC.

That being said, they are not being phased out simply moved to one side for the moment whilst new entirely custom factions come to fore. As soon as more (high quality) maps are created for the MEC they can be back with avengeance.

I can't understand taking OGT and stuff out. PLA are losing all of their maps, despite being a great faction that has no major problems. Additionally the mod's popularity is growing in China, so it's a shame to lose so many of the maps featuring their home country. Food for thought over the next few versions eh :\

I do agree that the PLA losing maps is a shame but the fact remains that the maps they had were predominantly heavily outdated. Seven Gates, Sunset City, Operation Ghost Train, Road to Kyongan 'Ni, Tad Sae and Bi Ming have all been pencilled in for removal for a long time as the gameplay has outgrown their style and size and it is simply unfortunate that they all feature the same faction. Until mappers begin creating new PLA based maps to replace the old ones then we are stuck with the 3 remaining that do fit the current gameplay.

Do not fret however, as all the old maps will still be available for play in 0.9 but as an add-on expansion to the basic map pack (although imo once you've played the new maps you won't want to go back ;)).

Wasn't the whole concept of PR to take the good bits of BF2 and make it realistic? The best bits of BF2 was having a unique MEC faction and acknowledging the rising power of China.

No, the concept is to take the BF2 engine and create as realistic a gameplay experience as possible.

Also interesting is the fact that maps don't have layers with different factions. For example Kashan would make a great IDF vs MEC map, or Quinling a great PLA vs Russia map. Nearly all maps could support this sort of layering (unless there's a mechanical problem with it), for example most of the Chechan vs GB/Russia maps could be Russia vs GB, and most of the Insurgency maps could either be AAS with MEC and another faction or Insurgency with MEC vs Insurgents.

I actually really agree with that, although I think it would be quite strange to see IDF vs MEC one day and then US vs Russia the next over the exact same terrain.

Nebsif
2010-01-21, 19:34
Bah! Stop QQing about Beirut, it would make sense if it would be IDF vs MEC, but that would be boringz, MEC already has a large city map to fight @ (Muttrah) while all the Russian maps are forest maps! It would make sense if Fools Road would stay as Rus vs Chech but that would also be boring (AK vs AK).. Ure whining as if theres a map with US vs GB or something (which would also be interesting :D).

Rissien
2010-01-21, 19:41
If you didnt notice, there is no America fighting against China. Actually the MEC doesnt exist either.

So I guess Quai River and Op Barracuda arnt US vs PLA according to you.

evya
2010-01-21, 19:47
H[=ElvishKnight;1239736']So I guess Quai River and Op Barracuda arnt US vs PLA according to you.

he talks about IRL

Rudd
2010-01-21, 20:05
Lets see how it all turns out, though from a wholely theory standpoint rather than gameplay standpoint, I would have prefered to see dragonfly etc as Russian and Fools Road return to Brits :) (especially as the latest incarnation of the map would have a challenger :P) Also would have thought Beirut would be the first MEC amphibious map, but the IDF vs Russian assets are very interesting.

Though if the gameplay is good, I don't wholey care tbh :D

Staker
2010-01-21, 20:15
So Chechens will have tanks on Kozelsk? Should be interesting.

Spuz36
2010-01-21, 20:31
Lots of nice eye candy!

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/14364/original/BFZKIF6RKYEAQ6NSHHDE7EGMXFRW7BMY.jpeg?1251789718



Would be TOTALLY cool if the .9 download was actually disguised as one of the pic links :lol: Just pushing AncientMan's quote of:

AncientMan;1238733']
- Lots of secrets
:-P

Nebsif
2010-01-21, 20:55
Cant find any secretz O.o

galeknight1
2010-01-21, 21:12
I think you're supposed to look deeper for the secrets, like new vehicle layer, different assests (I think) on some maps, etc.

AncientMan
2010-01-21, 21:48
You guys need to chill out regarding what factions are on what. Take it up in another thread if you must, but keep it out of this one ok?

Regarding a couple of problems, I fixed the typo in a cp name (n instead of m), and I'll look about fixing up the name of Ochamachira. Taxi fails :p.

alec89
2010-01-21, 22:02
omg.... FINALLY an insurgency map for Russians against chechens. Just how it should be! Nice work.

alec89
2010-01-21, 22:21
WOAH! I just saw the last map in the list: Yamalia and I was NOT expecting that. Canada vs Russia? And Brits get like 3 maps vs Chechens. Hm....... anyways grats to Canada and IDF for making it to 0.9!

alec89
2010-01-21, 22:32
ditto I rarely play made up battles... but that being said there are more hot spots in the world than Stan and Iraq..im glad the devs r finally getting into other hot spots in the world such as israel and africa lol.... but that being said there are so many different spots in afghanistan to explore wen it comes to combat... but seriously we (usmc) need a afghanistan map anyone want to team up with me on making one?

Are you kidding? You guys have 10 maps. lol. US army-6 and USMC-4. I think its enough for you guys for now. Either focus on IDF or PLA. :D

Gunner_downer
2010-01-21, 22:51
Nice triple post ^

Great work Devs. Can't wait for 0.9.

ma21212
2010-01-21, 22:59
Qwi is day time now?

Snazz
2010-01-21, 23:25
Qwi is day time now?
Yeah they redid the lighting, whilst increasing the view distance and adding new fields that render at a distance. Oh and it has helicopters again.

Absolute Killer
2010-01-21, 23:51
wow looks fantastic, can't wait to try out all these maps, although im a little disapointed due to the loss of some other classic PR maps that have been taken out, hopefully a new variety will be as fun as it looks :-)

Max_
2010-01-21, 23:55
WOOW, I think this update is a BIG SUPER... NICE update. and its add the Canadian faction, IDF and Hamas!

ebevan91
2010-01-22, 00:01
Wow this thread exploded quickly. My first time seeing it.

The maps look great, can't wait to play them. Good job guys!

Excavus
2010-01-22, 00:09
Fictional scenarios are fine as long as they are believable. Great Britain versus Chechnya is not a believable scenario. Just changing the name of the faction on the GB vs Chechnya maps to something like Militia would be fine and believable. Leave the Chechens to the Russians, please.

Max_
2010-01-22, 00:14
I love the GB force. and the picture is made I think no change before the next update.

Snazz
2010-01-22, 03:09
Just spotted the Militia update, good stuff. :)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6392/039uh.jpg
http://realitymodfiles.com/ancient/09mapoverviews/039.jpg

dtacs
2010-01-22, 03:49
But why? What was wrong with the Chechen rebels?

Also do the Chechen rebels actually have access to BRDMs and T-62s IRL?

alec89
2010-01-22, 04:08
Wait a sec so.... where did the chechens go?

But why? What was wrong with the Chechen rebels?

Also do the Chechen rebels actually have access to BRDMs and T-62s IRL?

No, IRL chechens are insurgents. They usually ambush the federal forces or suicide bomb attacks. But they dont drive apc's or tanks. IRL that is.

Excavus
2010-01-22, 04:50
Honestly, here's what should have happened. Russian vs Chechen maps should have stayed like that, and British vs Chechen maps should have been changed to British vs Militia. But this is good. I like it. Hah, you also fixed the spelling mistake in "Siege".

ChiefRyza
2010-01-22, 04:52
Honestly, here's what should have happened. Russian vs Chechen maps should have stayed like that, and British vs Chechen maps should have been changed to British vs Militia. But this is good. I like it.

I believe this might have happened on some maps? edit: nevermind I'm wrong, still agree with it being Militia instead of Chechens, allows maps to have freedom of location.

dtacs
2010-01-22, 05:16
Wait a sec so.... where did the chechens go?



No, IRL chechens are insurgents. They usually ambush the federal forces or suicide bomb attacks. But they dont drive apc's or tanks. IRL that is.
So the Militia factions replace it by giving freedom to say that they can have tanks and whatnot?

Smart. However, AncientMan told me that the Chechens are still around. Staying on Russian maps I would assume.

But wait, if they don't have these assets IRL, why are they using them on standard Kozelsk?

Excavus
2010-01-22, 05:17
So the Militia factions replace it by giving freedom to say that they can have tanks and whatnot?

Smart. However, AncientMan told me that the Chechens are still around. Staying on Russian maps I would assume.

But wait, if they don't have these assets IRL, why are they using them on standard Kozelsk?

Balancing reason probably. I'm sure somewhere they have some kind of APC.

You guys should have kept Mestia, as it was faithful to Fool's Road and it's kind of necessary to have as it connects right onto the main road in Fool's Road.

dtacs
2010-01-22, 05:22
Mestia was ruined when the caps were all removed and the two huge ones were added. Whoever did that should be kicking himself for ruining the map. But I think its outplayed anyway, rather play something like Yamalia (as it seems) or other foresty equivalent.

alec89
2010-01-22, 05:41
But wait, if they don't have these assets IRL, why are they using them on standard Kozelsk?

Well thats PR, theres many unreal scenarios but its all good. But I think its should be Russia vs Chechen maps(leave as is) and British vs Militia(changed). Just more believable that way.

AncientMan
2010-01-22, 05:48
Smart. However, AncientMan told me that the Chechens are still around. Staying on Russian maps I would assume.

Oh did I now? And when did I tell you that. Oh right, I didn't... :|

Chechens were replaced by Militia, so we can have more creative freedom with a fictional, generic faction instead of a RL faction.

Rezza
2010-01-22, 05:55
Thats a great step forward.

Bellator
2010-01-22, 06:27
This is a contradiction:

I completely disagree. Project Reality is about realistic gameplay on the BF2 engine and not realistic scenarios. PR has no official timeline/backstory/setting and therefore has complete artistic license in the creation of any scenario

I consider the MEC to be a product solely of vanilla BF2 and the more of that influence we can get rid of the better. Whilst the scenarios (through necessity) are not all realistic all of the factions in PR are based on real life armed forces except the MEC.

I find it funny that the anti-MEC folks always like gripe that the MEC is fictional, which is true, but if PR is about realistic gameplay, not realistic depiction of politics, why care about the fiction of MEC? It doesn't affect gameplay. It improves it, I think, because the MEC is easily the most enjoyable conventional factions in PR, with some of the best weapons and art in the game.

And not everything from VBF2 is bad. MEC was always a good choice from the DICE development team, much better than actually expending money and resources to make several Middle Eastern countries and their respective armies, which vary greatly. And PR MEC is vastly better, of course!

I, for one, would very much like to see a fourth MEC map included. IMO. The Russians should be removed from the Israeli maps, and be replaced with MEC. Its a complete stretch to have Russians fighting the Israelis when no such war has ever occured. Karbala insurgency, as I suggested in the suggestion box, should become an insurgency map for the MEC since the US army already has Ramiel.

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Edit: I forgot to give my compliments to the dev team for this job! The maps look very nice.

dtacs
2010-01-22, 06:37
AncientMan;1240194']Oh did I now? And when did I tell you that. Oh right, I didn't... :|

Chechens were replaced by Militia, so we can have more creative freedom with a fictional, generic faction instead of a RL faction.
Sorry, Chuc rather. And you know where he posted it 8-)

alec89
2010-01-22, 06:38
MEC just doesnt have the same effect as other militaries in PR have. Mostly because it is a fictional coalition. We already have fictional combat scenarios. Got to make it even more reals! :)

bosco_
2010-01-22, 06:51
But wait, if they don't have these assets IRL, why are they using them on standard Kozelsk?

During the first and second Chechen war, they operated APCs, tanks and even helicopters, to a small degree.

alec89
2010-01-22, 07:03
bosco;1240206']During the first and second Chechen war, they operated APCs, tanks and even helicopters, to a small degree.

lol, no they didnt. Deffinately not helos. Second chechen became an insurgency.

WilsonPL
2010-01-22, 07:09
Instead of tanks and apcs for Chechens i prefer fast light unarmoured vehicles . For example technical with mounted SPG9, ZSU mounted on Ural truck. etc.

Fast unarmoured vehicles with large firepower.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HHkjsJWeG-I/SiwBShQH8RI/AAAAAAAAADE/3PbKojvVLJA/s1600/9at.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HHkjsJWeG-I/SiwBvPiFYsI/AAAAAAAAADU/i3wmpNEyuQQ/s1600-h/9ar.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HHkjsJWeG-I/SiwB1ctinAI/AAAAAAAAADc/eev7XLYknlA/s1600/9aq.jpg

LeChuckle
2010-01-22, 07:36
lol, no they didnt. Deffinately not helos. Second chechen became an insurgency.

even if they did, there probably wouldnt have been many. thats why i like wilsons idea about having these light vehicles plus the occasional BRDM2 i guess

motherdear
2010-01-22, 07:55
lol, no they didnt. Deffinately not helos. Second chechen became an insurgency.

back it up with sources will ya. we have provided tons of sources for this before and we have active russian personnel that i believe we have asked these questions.

they are a militia and could in theory be running any equipment they want.

no matter what it gives us some gameplay that would not be possible otherwise, which i think is a lot more worth than speculating about realism of deployment or not. as stated by jigsaw we are not aiming for real life conflicts because it would limit us tremendously in what we can do.

i think the gameplay against the militia is worth it even though it might not be realistic if they are chechens. but then again it might have been a bad idea to call them chechens to start with since they just started out as a militia faction (which we are going back to now)
stop complaining about small stuff like this because it really isn't a big deal.

DankE_SPB
2010-01-22, 07:56
bosco;1240206']During the first and second Chechen war, they operated APCs, tanks and even helicopters, to a small degree.

in 1st war they had few tanks(T-72) but definitely not helicopters and spandrels
small amount of L-** training aircrafts were in their hands, but all were destroyed on the ground
i posted list of equipment they acquired before, will see if i can find it
one of
CHECHNYA. THE WHITE BOOK (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2000/04/white/part04.htm)
The following items were seized:
from the 173d District Training Centre:
42 tanks,
34 ICVs,
3 APCs,
145 artillery pieces and mortars;
15 AA systems;
about 500 vehicles;
about 40,000 units of small arms;
60,000 tonnes of inventories.

from Air Defence troops:
23 radars;
939 units of small arms;
319,500 rounds of munitions;
304 vehicles.

in the 2nd war they didnt have any kind of heavy assets

Protector
2010-01-22, 08:08
In this picture are they chechens or russians?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Evstafiev-helicopter-shot-down.jpg
If chechens they have one helicopter :D

LeChuckle
2010-01-22, 08:17
aaah, didnt see the updated pictures. "chechen militia" are now "militia" - solves all problems :P

Nebsif
2010-01-22, 08:24
>.<! Those small and pointless thingies delay the release..

DankE_SPB
2010-01-22, 08:31
sauce (http://chechnya.genstab.ru/chech_03.htm)

Lent and acquired equipment and arms, 1994
* 2 tactical rocket launchers(most likely Luna- my comment) in non-prepared to combat state
* 111 L-39 и 149 L-29 aircrafts, some of them converted into light attack planes , ; 3 MiG-17 and 2 MiG-15; 6 An-2 and 2 Mi-8 helicopters, 117 R-23 and R-24 missiles, 126 R-60 missiles; nearly 7 thousand shells for GSh-23 cannon
* 42 Т-62 and Т-72 tanks; 34 BMP-1 and -2; 30 BTR-70 и BRDM; 44 MT-LB, 942 cars. 18 MLRS GRAD and more than 1000 missiles for them.
* 139 artillery systems, including 30 122-mm howitzers D-ЗО and 24 thousand shells for it ; also SPH 2S1 and 2SЗ; anti-tank cannons MT-12.
* 5 SAMs, 25 AAA of different types, 88 MANPADS; 105 missiles for S-75.
* 590 units of ATGM launchers, including 2 Konkurs, 24 Fagot, 51 Metis, 113 RPG-7.
* Nearly 50 thousand units of small arms, more than 150 thousand grenades
* 27 train carriages of various ammo; 1620 tonns of fuel; nearly 10 thousand kits of clothes, 72 tonnes of food; 90 tonns of medical stuff
even though they had lots of air assets on paper, as far as i'm aware, none of them managed to take off due to destroyed and captured runways and destroyed aircrafts on ground
ontop of it, there were only 41 pilots in chechnya as of 1995

Xenon_
2010-01-22, 09:46
looks awesome..

Protector
2010-01-22, 10:02
I'm very intrigued about the canadians and what they will be like...

rrrrrkkkkk
2010-01-22, 10:04
beirut could be idf x mec

iron ridge aas could be russia x ukraine (future release), since it's in ukraine

kozelsk could remain russia x chechens, since it's in russia

Outlawz7
2010-01-22, 10:53
beirut could be idf x mec

iron ridge aas could be russia x ukraine (future release), since it's in ukraine

kozelsk could remain russia x chechens, since it's in russia

1. yay for stereotypes

2. We don't have a Ukraine faction and how do you know it's in Ukraine... :|

3. Um, it still is

DankE_SPB
2010-01-22, 11:02
Outlawz;1240290']2. We don't have a Ukraine faction and how do you know it's in Ukraine... :|

bottom right
http://media.realitymod.com/highlights/05/iron_ridge_map.jpg

and now the reel is outdated:-P

Panzerfire
2010-01-22, 11:26
huh.... Now that I'm looking carefully at that Iron Ridge screenshot I've started wondering.

Perhaps I should have asked before but... Is Iron Ridge based totally or at least partially on Pripyat, Ukraine?

Bagger
2010-01-22, 11:28
looks great, no chechens anymore?

JM/Maukka
2010-01-22, 11:37
Great job!

rrrrrkkkkk
2010-01-22, 11:38
fools road, dragon fly and ochamchira are all based in Georgia


In 9th August 2008 russian ships and amphibian forces disembarked in ochamchira


the best choice would be russian x georgians in these places, but it would be a hard work for the russian community.

evya
2010-01-22, 11:40
This is a contradiction:

I, for one, would very much like to see a fourth MEC map included. IMO. The Russians should be removed from the Israeli maps, and be replaced with MEC. Its a complete stretch to have Russians fighting the Israelis when no such war has ever occured. Karbala insurgency, as I suggested in the suggestion box, should become an insurgency map for the MEC since the US army already has Ramiel.

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Edit: I forgot to give my compliments to the dev team for this job! The maps look very nice.

israel did fight russian jets and shot down few during the war of Attrition

The Israeli successes over the canal led the Egyptians to seek more advanced equipment and more direct assistance from the Soviet Union. In early February, the Soviets began to introduce SA-3 missiles and associated technicians into Egypt. In the last week of February, Soviet aircraft, pilots, and ground crews began to arrive in Egypt. By April, there were 5000 Soviet technicians in Egypt. In early April, Soviet pilots began to fly operational missions over Egypt.

On April 8, eight Soviet-flown MiG-21s were encountered but were shaken off. An Egyptian-piloted MiG-21 shot down an F-4E on April 2, and its crew was taken prisoner.

In March, Egypt began to move its SAM networks gradually toward the Suez Canal. Two Phantoms were lost on June 30 and another one went down on July 5. Two more Phantoms fell to SAMs on July 18. On July 30, eight Mirage IIIs and four F-4Es encountered eight Russian-piloted MiG-21s and shot down two (some sources say four) of them.

Phantom with Israel (http://www.f-4.nl/f4_41.html)
also there is info in the War of Attrition page in wikipedia and more, it happened on july 30 1970.

Swat54swe
2010-01-22, 14:10
Omg... this is so awesome!!! xD
and btw stop whine about israel vs russia. It's just a game.

alec89
2010-01-22, 16:11
motherdear;1240226']back it up with sources will ya. we have provided tons of sources for this before and we have active russian personnel that i believe we have asked these questions.

they are a militia and could in theory be running any equipment they want.

no matter what it gives us some gameplay that would not be possible otherwise, which i think is a lot more worth than speculating about realism of deployment or not. as stated by jigsaw we are not aiming for real life conflicts because it would limit us tremendously in what we can do.

i think the gameplay against the militia is worth it even though it might not be realistic if they are chechens. but then again it might have been a bad idea to call them chechens to start with since they just started out as a militia faction (which we are going back to now)
stop complaining about small stuff like this because it really isn't a big deal.

I dont need to prove it, I know. During the first chechen war, chechnya had some equipment and old tanks left over from USSR times, but not alot. But they never really used helicopters. Second chechen war (1999-2000), they didnt have no tanks or helos. Russia restored federal control and right now its a low-level insurgency. :)

Nibbit
2010-01-22, 16:34
awesome

ma21212
2010-01-22, 17:28
no more chechs...? dmmit cant they at least be on a one map...?

BrownBadger
2010-01-22, 17:42
I dont need to prove it, I know. During the first chechen war, chechnya had some equipment and old tanks left over from USSR times, but not alot. But they never really used helicopters. Second chechen war (1999-2000), they didnt have no tanks or helos. Russia restored federal control and right now its a low-level insurgency. :)

I'm sorry but a lot of people "know". I have not looked it up but just saying it the way you do is silly.

ma21212
2010-01-22, 17:46
I'm sorry but a lot of people "know". I have not looked it up but just saying it the way you do is silly.

hey i played kashan with ya yesturday lol, fun game

alec89
2010-01-22, 17:47
I'm sorry but a lot of people "know". I have not looked it up but just saying it the way you do is silly.

I live in Russia, I know. I see the news and know the history of the wars. You can go research it yourself if you dont want to take my word for it. I dont care.

sharpshooter
2010-01-22, 18:09
there's some maps i didn't even know about, Good Job Devs.

WilsonPL
2010-01-22, 21:06
OMG devs...

Now you have replaced chechens with fictional militia on all maps....

Just left Chechens on maps with Russian Armed Forcess :(

Russian rage is imminent.

Panzerfire
2010-01-22, 21:18
huh guys.... I believe it'd be better if we stop harassing the Devs over the faction layout of the maps... ;)

If we keep up they might go on strike. O_O And they already don't get paid for this mod (Or do they?)

alec89
2010-01-22, 21:47
Russian rage is imminent.

No, we're not pissed. I'm grateful that Devs put so much work and effort into bringing us this new release. Whatever they think will make it more balanced, then fine. But I think ancient just got annoyed with all the "brits vs chechens?!" thing that he changed every chechen map to militia.

dpq06
2010-01-22, 21:48
just release it naaaooo!

K4on
2010-01-22, 22:21
nooo , release it next weekend, cause im busy this one & can't play :D

162eRI
2010-01-22, 23:11
Hahaha, the new Insurgent flag is pretty funny, what was wrong with Chechen? I remember seeing it developed but never thought this "ugly" one was going to be choose... And Russian VS IDF or British in Ex-Soviet countries is as much funny... And I'm not even speaking about the pictures depicting Russia VS Chechen in Ukrainia ROFL... Project reality shouldn't be more about, let say, reality. But I already know the answer, it's not about realistic scenarios, but fictional scenarios and generic factions, WTF.

Well, except for my idiots comments above, which are true to be said, you have made a wonderful job, the new maps look awesome, can't wait to test them and the new players and factions are bad ass! Thanks for all the hard work you did, even if sometimes we don't know what the hell you are thinking or doing.

Dunehunter
2010-01-22, 23:16
Hey, at least you know they're idiotic ;)


Just to remind you all again: It's a mod about realism, as in, realistic fighting. The MEC are a totally fictitious faction! So don't complain about battles that you don't think are possible ;)

crazy11
2010-01-22, 23:38
I found the secret ;)

Robbi
2010-01-22, 23:43
me too ;)

galeknight1
2010-01-23, 00:00
Oh don't start this again :( I'll have to spend another hour looking for it.

Rissien
2010-01-23, 00:07
Oh don't start this again :( I'll have to spend another hour looking for it.

tsk tsk

alec89
2010-01-23, 00:29
crazy11;1240828']I found the secret ;)

Can you atleast tell us where to look this time? The post or the pictures???

Firepower01
2010-01-23, 02:50
I second that movement

Robbi
2010-01-23, 03:23
Look at the whole thread ;)

crazy11
2010-01-23, 03:40
Can you atleast tell us where to look this time? The post or the pictures???

It took a while to find it and I dont want to ruin the easter egg for everyone else.

mongol-horde
2010-01-23, 04:51
i want chechens back...

alec89
2010-01-23, 05:06
i want chechens back...

I hope they restore chechens back to Rus vs Che maps and leave GB vs Militia. That way everyone's happy ;)

Pudding Overlord
2010-01-23, 07:22
What happened to Archer? and whats with chechens no longer fighting russians on Fools Road? I would like to see a return of a lot of the maps from .8. Plus, perhaps a MEC vs. Insurgent map, you know, help to break some stereotypes and whatnot. Other than that, nice job, congratulations, usually most mods aren't his healthy.

CANADIA STRIKE!!!!

Pudding Overlord
2010-01-23, 07:46
It would be nice to see the carrier's have some use other than just launching point, like maybe making it capable or something along those lines. Otherwise its just stupid and an annoyance that all to often traps the US Forces due to incompetent pilots. (Plus it would be freaking amazing to invade a ship (land in the boat bay with APC's, work way up room by room, clear stuff, maybe even hilo landings?))

Arquin
2010-01-23, 10:09
It would be nice to see the carrier's have some use other than just launching point, like maybe making it capable or something along those lines. Otherwise its just stupid and an annoyance that all to often traps the US Forces due to incompetent pilots. (Plus it would be freaking amazing to invade a ship (land in the boat bay with APC's, work way up room by room, clear stuff, maybe even hilo landings?))

Yeah, it would take a lot of work but invading a totally modeled carrier = Epic
Would be the best "Filler CQC" Ever :O

Anyway, changing chechen to militia seems ok to me. As you can fight against them in both insurgency and AAS modes. Beirut seems interesting and vehicle warfare too.

AnimalMother.
2010-01-23, 10:53
well the chechens lasted long in PR, lol


i'm guessing the militia are exactly the same as the chechens? if so some people are really petty to get wound up over a name.

162eRI
2010-01-23, 11:18
Just to remind you all again: It's a mod about realism, as in, realistic fighting. The MEC are a totally fictitious faction! So don't complain about battles that you don't think are possible
Well that's the problem. I feel sad for the way you are thinking PR. It doesn't stop me playing it and enjoying what you have done freely for us. But really, that's pretty sad to hear always the same answer: "PR is not about scenarios..." You already made the scenarios, the answer below, copy from an other thread, is just perfect:
Disagree. PR already has all the scenarios it has, as factions are fighting against each other. Adding some backround info would only make it feel less unrealistic, and above all, more satisfying. I, for one, don't care about fighting over random trees. Value of timber is not that much.
And they are already restricting the map locations and factions, I understand they have turned down ideas about insurgency in Chicago and Quebec. But if they were ever to include more exotic scenarios, a backround information would be vital. Thus, mapbriefings would logically widen the scope of the battlefield.

You can be fictional but realistic at the same time, why did you choose this way of thinking, like: "we don't want religion or politics or scenarios etc." For crying out loud, we are playing a game depicting modern wars, what do you think war is, just two factions fighting on maps? It need some background to feel less unrealistic. And above all, your name is Project Reality, reality didn't stop at fighting or else change your name, that's how I feel it. Why do you put so much efforts into creating realistic combats and on the other hand, you put to the bin realistic background? It's conflicting don't you think?

mongol-horde
2010-01-23, 17:07
I hope they restore chechens back to Rus vs Che maps and leave GB vs Militia. That way everyone's happy ;)

that would be wise.

JackAttack91
2010-01-23, 18:11
Oh no the British are invading imaginationland!

Seriously though, I know that the MEC are a fictitious faction but they at least represent a cornicopia of countries like Egypt, Iran, Syria, Jordan. Militia represents nothing. What does that flag mean? A cross with a forked tongue on a red, yellow and white backround?

There is a map with US vs. Russia, a map with Russia vs. Militia, and a map with GB vs. Militia. Does this mean that Great Britain will be at war with the United States in the future?

I look forward to the next release, but respectfully, WTF??
:confused:

Technoelite
2010-01-23, 18:12
hmmmm how about no, no changing it back,it will be fine as it will play as it used to and according to PR information, when it used to have a story in the sever list,UK troops are their to destroy arms smugglers, and it is in georgia, fools road and mestia was, so their is the back story. THe end of this bickering

Pte.Paynter
2010-01-23, 18:37
The map overviews look great.

Keep up the great work Devs.

Cheers. :shock:

P.S I cant wait for the Canadian Forces Faction, Hooah. :oops:

Rissien
2010-01-23, 18:54
There is a map with US vs. Russia, a map with Russia vs. Militia, and a map with GB vs. Militia. Does this mean that Great Britain will be at war with the United States in the future?
:confused:

US is a placeholder for Germany

Panzerfire
2010-01-23, 19:09
There is a map with US vs. Russia, a map with Russia vs. Militia, and a map with GB vs. Militia. Does this mean that Great Britain will be at war with the United States in the future?

I look forward to the next release, but respectfully, WTF??
:confused:



H[=ElvishKnight;1241610']US is a placeholder for Germany

Elvishnight is correct... The map Silent Eagle (We're talking about that one, right?) is ment for the upcoming Bundeswehr faction (German Military).


Try to imagine there more than just two sides in this whole "world war" in PR... and nobody said either that all this events are anywhat related to each other because there's no storyline for this mod. So it doesn't matter if GB is attacking the Militia/chechens while Russia is at it as well.

Dunehunter
2010-01-23, 19:18
Enough BLU/OPFOR discussion guys.

Snazz
2010-01-23, 19:27
Edit: Dunehunter I wrote this before you said that.

I hope they restore chechens back to Rus vs Che maps and leave GB vs Militia. That way everyone's happy ;)
Even if the Militia was split into Georgian Militia and Chechen Rebels some people would still complain about the British being involved. Besides they'd have the exact same equipment, weapons and appearance as each other anyway.

I see nothing wrong with having a generic Militia faction personally, it's the same as MEC and Insurgents really. It allows them to be anywhere in the general region of the world, increasing the possibilities of map locations.

What happened to Archer? and whats with chechens no longer fighting russians on Fools Road? I would like to see a return of a lot of the maps from .8
Archer was always going to have Canada on it, Fools Road was also created for GB vs Militia (as it was in .8 ).

Gunner4712
2010-01-23, 20:06
I couldnt really find an answer but I assume that the Chechen Militia is now just Militia, in respects of kits and whatnot. So this is simply a faction re-name?

rrrrrkkkkk
2010-01-23, 20:17
“REALISM” X “BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE AT MOMENT”

Maybe the key point of this discussion is to clear these two concepts. Seems that pr players don’t care about REALISM of the map at all, but they at least care about the “BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE AT MOMENT”.
Examples of realistic maps:
Basrah, asad khal, Fallujah, gaza, karbala, archer, korengal, lashkar valley.



examples of “BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE AT MOMENT” maps:
- mec maps. Most players don’t care if mec doesn’t exist irl, we love all mec x us maps, and we know us against mec is the “BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE AT MOMENT”, so it would be mec x insurgents or mec x idf. But, for example, it’s quite obvious players would not enjoy mec x Chechens, for example, if we have better choices.
- Another example are the us x china maps, or uk x china. Players know it’s not realistic, but love it anyway, cause they know us or uk are the “BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE” avaiable. Players would not enjoy china x russia, cause if we have a better choice (us, uk), WHY NOT USE IT?
- Players love Ramiel, no question about that, even it’s not realistic Iraqi ins fighting in Somalia. At the moment, Iraqi ins is the best solution. But if we had African fighters ready, WHY NOT USE IT?
- Russia x us or Russia x german or canada are all unreal, but they are the best solution at all, and players know it very well, and don't care about the lack of realism.

Koselsky: Russian forces fighting so close to Moscow is not realistic even in hell, but what is the “BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE AT MOMENT”, militia or Chechens?

Iron ridge: we don’t have Ukrainian forces, and it’s not smart to develop a whole faction for only one map, so what is the “BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE AT MOMENT”? Militia is the answer, since this map has insurgency mode too.

Fools road, dragon fly and ochanchira are all based in Georgia. What is the “BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE AT MOMENT”? uk x militia, russia x chechens or russia x militia? We don’t have Georgia forces, but we have Russia and militia. Militia could be a placeholder for a future Georgia faction, it's just a suggestion.


As said before, is quite clear that players don’t care about realism, but we enjoy the best solution to be implemented, even if it's not realistic.

alec89
2010-01-23, 20:29
Edit: Dunehunter I wrote this before you said that.


Even if the Militia was split into Georgian Militia and Chechen Rebels some people would still complain about the British being involved. Besides they'd have the exact same equipment, weapons and appearance as each other anyway.

I see nothing wrong with having a generic Militia faction personally, it's the same as MEC and Insurgents really. It allows them to be anywhere in the general region of the world, increasing the possibilities of map locations.



It doesnt matter. If he changed Chechen to militia so easily, then whats the problem of changing militia back to Chechen rebels in Rus vs Che maps? And leave the GB with militia. Just tune it up so it at least looks more believable. Thats all.

I'm not whining. I just think its unfair that Russia has to lose its real life enemies in this. How would it look if all of a sudden they changed all taliban to militia or iraqi insurgents to militia. Thats like creating another fictious faction like the MEC. Not that anything is wrong with MEC, but one fictional faction is enough I think.

Jaymz
2010-01-23, 20:34
@ Chechen to Militia complainers,

This was done so at the request of our mappers. They wanted a more generic team that would allow for a variety of conflicts.

sakils2
2010-01-23, 20:47
MOD's should probably lock this, since these discussions will end up nowhere.

Meester
2010-01-23, 20:49
At the moment some of the maps do all look a bit free-for-all. Would be nice to have some semblance of reality given to the conflicts between the factions in the future. I don't mind US versus China and other ones as there is some back-story but versus the Russians as well? May as well add US versus Israel maps and Insurgent versus Militia maps.
My main opposition to free-for-all over all of PR (I know some are placeholders) is the lack of back-story of why they are fighting (it was explained in some of the old map descriptions).

I will get used to it though Im sure :P

Farks
2010-01-23, 20:50
It's just a different name for the same faction. :p

alec89
2010-01-23, 20:55
I just dont see whats the big deal in changing TWO maps(Kozelsk and Iron ridge) back to Chechens? Just give them the flag back. I think its the way out. I dont get why change all chechens to militia. Bewildered.

Maxfragg
2010-01-23, 21:02
i am still waiting for the day where people in forums can talk without thinking about their nationality, comeon guys, can't you just be smart enough, and forget about national politics when posting in this forum, it really could make things easyer

alec89
2010-01-23, 21:05
i am still waiting for the day where people in forums can talk without thinking about their nationality, comeon guys, can't you just be smart enough, and forget about national politics when posting in this forum, it really could make things easyer

It just feels empty with militia, I would feel the same with US and USMC maps if insurgents were changed to militia, dont get me wrong. Thats all.

job86
2010-01-23, 21:14
This is awsome, the new maps looks great and I love that canada will be playable.

My only concern is that the more 4km maps there is the more my computer will lag...

Pudding Overlord
2010-01-23, 21:16
Does this happen at every large release, I've only been playing since .84 so this is my first major update

logandog1
2010-01-23, 21:35
maps look awesome