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anglomanii
2009-08-18, 08:56
technicals, gun-trucks, battle wagons.

"West Africa is currently going through a very intense arms purchasing period. a lot of embargo's have been lifted and western support has increased dramatically.
you will find a great deal of refurbished and modern equipment in the hands of rebel groups. mostly due to those groups being semi legit and holding vast reserves of natural resources. several are also ex military and defected with large parts of regularly forces and equipment.
Indeed, we can see many countries with modern Chinese vehicles and other stuff . Nonetheless, those new vehicles mean new models..Nonetheless, most of the vehicles should be from the 90's because even if they buy new stuff, it's gonna be kind of "anecdotal" (CRD get Xingxing from China, but only few when DRC is using a lot of old Russian vehicles). But this "anecdotal" should be in the faction as well!"

gun-trucks
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/D8m9caf00.jpg
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/tech3.jpg



battle wagons
http://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-...-/Ethiopia.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7978/78241303az6.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1900/78241310lq6.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5817/78241314pt0.jpg

From what we saw, they are using smaller trucks to transport troops. http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3264/15135694ub0.jpg
(on the road) http://armyreco.ifrance.com/afrique/..._1_somalie.jpg


BMP an APC, and BTR variants and rooikat
Here, XinXing Chinese vehicle in DRC army.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3...8368577gu9.jpg
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/648px-BTR-90_100mm.jpg
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/BTR-90_Drawing_Russe_01.gif
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/rooikat_aad06_01_dvdb.jpg

the AML-90. It's a light armored vehicle with canon (between 500-1000 used in all Africa)
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/afrique/...1_djibouti.jpg
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/afrique/..._1_somalie.jpg
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/afrique/...90_1_gabon.jpg


And at least but perhaps the more important:
Jeep and other pick-ups mounted with canon and other guns
http://www.rcamagazine.com/_news/dat...p_rca_FACA.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...P4gST/610x.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6644/ad5e55f7by8.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7...ntmilitol9.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6...ntialgucb3.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2535/79522057mg3.jpg
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/800px-Mogadishu_technical.jpg
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/toyota.jpg
technicals, guntrucks, battle wagons.


this was compiled from PM's from myself and [R-COM]162eRI. as he is on ops atm i am taking the opportunity to start this thread.

Nosferatu
2009-08-18, 09:06
That is actually BTR-90.
BTR-90M with Bakcha-U turret:
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/648px-BTR-90_100mm.jpg
BTR-90:
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/BTR-90_Drawing_Russe_01.gif
It's not really popular on international marketrs at this time.

Correct me if I' wrong, but this is XZFB05 XinXing
http://www.army-guide.com/images/zfb05_01.jpg
http://www.army-guide.com/images/zfb05_02.jpg

Thanks, mate, waiting for other info from you on this subject

sheggalism
2009-08-18, 09:40
BMP an APC, and BTR variants and rooikat
Here, XinXing Chinese vehicle in DRC army.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3...8368577gu9.jpg
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/648px-BTR-90_100mm.jpg
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/BTR-90_Drawing_Russe_01.gif
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/rooikat_aad06_01_dvdb.jpg

the AML-90. It's a light armored vehicle with canon (between 500-1000 used in all Africa)
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/afrique/...1_djibouti.jpg
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/afrique/..._1_somalie.jpg
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/afrique/...90_1_gabon.jpg


Again, these Chinese armored cars belong to Congo-Brazzaville, not DRC.

If you're looking for an IFV/APC, there're a lot of BTR-family vehicles in most African armies (PR got a BTR-60 model already).
The BMP-1 is used too, but the BMP-2 is way rarer (I've only seen one photo of it, Ugandian, but maybe Angola has some).

The AML-90 has seen some uses, and it'd a decent addition.

The Rooikat is from South Africa by the way. Nigeria has some EE-9 Cascavel.

anglomanii
2009-08-18, 11:02
its just a start guys, try and collate as much info as we can, make it like a smorgasbord of items so when the devs choose what they need they can take it from the most appropriate source.
my first post was simply to get the ball rolling, i have no position on this team or have any role in this faction, i simply asked a few questions and thought this thread might help.

http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/xin_1212031511138422883144.jpg
as i have been looking at these technicals i have noticed a lot of them seem to be land cruisers and land rovers plus other 4x4 utes...
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/116724809_9d86952e00.jpg
mXbOtPIpKvA&fmt=18

Sgt_Doctor
2009-08-18, 12:56
The AML 90 is in developpement. It's our great Bao, who made it. Render soon.

http://www66.tok2.com/home2/tankguy/beltring06/aml90/aml90-02.jpg

Tonnie
2009-08-18, 13:00
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/anglomanii/ARF/116724809_9d86952e00.jpg

Thats not a land cruiser its a hilux do not insult us real 4x4 drivers with that crap...


on another note i would love to see some real 4x4 action going on in the model department, would be better then the old techy we have atm

Wilkinson
2009-08-18, 13:10
Tonnie;1115254']Thats not a land cruiser its a hilux do not insult us real 4x4 drivers with that crap...


on another note i would love to see some real 4x4 action going on in the model department, would be better then the old techy we have atm

Tonnie you own some sports car dork. ahaha.
Yeah agreed, anything newer than the techy is a great step. you could possibly use the M35 Logistic Truck? Reskin it and make it look dirtier and add the mounted gun?

MAINERROR
2009-08-18, 13:26
Well the technical will be a custom model.

anglomanii
2009-08-19, 03:43
Tonnie;1115254']Thats not a land cruiser its a hilux do not insult us real 4x4 drivers with that crap...


on another note i would love to see some real 4x4 action going on in the model department, would be better then the old techy we have atm


your heading the right way for a smack young man... :rolleyes: and i did not say it was a landcruiser, read my bloody post ya sodamite. :twisted:

does'nt someone on the big d forum do 4x4 something compititions? he might be able to help?

Warpig-
2009-08-19, 12:27
lol I must have missed it on the callander, apparently its give anglo lip day *runs*

VisOne
2009-08-19, 13:21
Doesn't someone on the bigd forum do 4x4 something compititions? He might be able to help?

There certainly is something of a 4x4 competitor on BigD although I think you will find what they do a little more tame then you think. If I'm not mistaken they are actually scale model rock crawlers. A little cheaper than the full size ones I believe. ;)

EOD_Security-2252
2009-08-19, 22:11
I agree with tonnie that a respectable 4x4 would be a nice addition; however, I doubt African Resistance fighters have Bilstein shocks available to them. Spacers aren't hard to make tho, so that's a possibility. I'm not really familiar with what the average 4x4 (SUV or pickup) is in Africa, but I hear Toyotas are popular (especially the vans).
I doubt the van's a 4x4, but a Toyota Hiace would make for a descent version of the INS's station wagon. I guess a LWB LR Defender would work as well.

ChiefRyza
2009-08-19, 22:15
Why don't you get a Ural and chuck a ZPU on the rear tray? It's a completely believable weapon system, I'm sure I could find some refs of it.

DankE_SPB
2009-08-19, 22:25
Why don't you get a Ural and chuck a ZPU on the rear tray? It's a completely believable weapon system, I'm sure I could find some refs of it.

like this?
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/zu23/naz06_full_zu23.jpg
http://www.otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w2/chech/g-truck_03.jpg
it will be very badass8-) and something what has no counterpart ingame

Sgt_Doctor
2009-08-19, 22:32
Humwee AA ?

VisOne
2009-08-20, 00:11
Well this force will certainly need a close air support asset other than MANPAD's and its a gun truck such as that is realistic option for the militia. For the more conventional force it would be nice to see something a little more resistant to small arms though.

Rezza
2009-08-20, 01:37
This is the best community faction between all i just love this good luck with the progress

Wilkinson
2009-08-20, 02:06
Sticking an AA on the back of a truck like the M35 isnt hard. very simple actually. Just re-modeling is the only bitch :). Maybe I'll whip out a couple fun concepts with the M35 as a base of what we could do? working off the images provided

EOD_Security-2252
2009-08-20, 04:35
Modeling shouldn't really be a problem. I haven't looked at any weapon files in a good long while, but as long as the ZPU is a weapon similar to the stationary ATs and MGs from vanilla, we'll be able to just sit in the rear of the M35, assuming the M35 is wide enough. Or were you making it a flat bed?

MAINERROR
2009-08-20, 07:07
I agree with tonnie that a respectable 4x4 would be a nice addition; however, I doubt African Resistance fighters have Bilstein shocks available to them. Spacers aren't hard to make tho, so that's a possibility. I'm not really familiar with what the average 4x4 (SUV or pickup) is in Africa, but I hear Toyotas are popular (especially the vans).
I doubt the van's a 4x4, but a Toyota Hiace would make for a descent version of the INS's station wagon. I guess a LWB LR Defender would work as well.

Take a look at the design plan mate. :)

EOD_Security-2252
2009-08-20, 16:39
Tried to, but I don't want to register with Google.

sheggalism
2009-08-20, 17:00
Thinking about the reliability and safety of such improvised AA trucks makes me confused.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2535/79522057mg3.jpg

I can't just figure how this thing can work without troubles...

DankE_SPB
2009-08-20, 17:25
Tried to, but I don't want to register with Google.

why do you need to register? it shows up without it(note the 'sign in' in top right corner
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7512/08202009212347.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/08202009212347.jpg/)
anyway
RapidShare Webhosting + Webspace (http://rapidshare.de/files/48145224/African_Resistance_Fighters_Design_Plan.pdf.html)
maybe somebody can attach to design plan message or make another better one and attach, so people wont say 'it doesn't open'

Thinking about the reliability and safety of such improvised AA trucks makes me confused.

in soviet russia gun worries about you;-)

Wilkinson
2009-08-20, 17:41
in soviet russia gun worries about you;-)

Leave it to the Russian guy to make the Funny Joke and give out free Vodka ??? :P
haha Nice DankE


Anyway, I am in Editor right now messing around with an Idea or 2. I'll whip up something like that techy Soon :)

anglomanii
2009-08-22, 09:04
Sticking an AA on the back of a truck like the M35 isnt hard. very simple actually. Just re-modeling is the only bitch :). Maybe I'll whip out a couple fun concepts with the M35 as a base of what we could do? working off the images provided

i have some reference pics of exactly that, i can send you detailsater if you want. in all seriousness, i think this would make the perfect gun truck.

use a re-skinned terry technical, with a big russian 14mm gun on the back.

and we may have to make our own battle wagon, or just use a russian apc.

MMad
2009-08-23, 17:52
FYI anglomanii: a lot of the links in the OP are broken, all the ones with "..." in it.

My guess would be that you pasted links into another program (like Word) that shortened the visible links while leaving the hyperlink functional, and that you copied/pasted the visible link? Or something like that. :)

Anyway, cool stuff! Definitely hoping to see some more unconventional vehicles for this faction. :)

Wilkinson
2009-08-23, 18:58
i have some reference pics of exactly that, i can send you detailsater if you want. in all seriousness, i think this would make the perfect gun truck.

use a re-skinned terry technical, with a big russian 14mm gun on the back.

and we may have to make our own battle wagon, or just use a russian apc.

any refs you have are and would be gold.

162eRI
2009-08-25, 19:44
Thanks anglomanii for the thread, I didn't have time to make it ;)

We should continue to put more pix and decide with the community whatever vehicles are the most fited to be used!

I think, like I said you, that we should use at least 1/4 brand new vehicles of Chinese origins (XingXing, Truck, APC) mostly 2/4 vehicles of Russian origins (Tanks, APC, etc) and 1/4 vehicles of French origins (AML-90, truck)

anglomanii
2009-08-27, 23:00
thanks guys,
one point, there is sooooo much variety on these vehicles, leterally any thing we do will be legit, i have seen so many different things its crazy, we take a big gun stick it on a truck, its a gun truck, take a big gun stick it on a 4x4 and its a technical, take a big truck stick loads of smaller guns on it and its a battle wagon. we have so many things to choose from.

MAINERROR
2009-08-28, 08:33
What would it be if we stick a gun truck on a 4x4? Lego? :D

A_Grounded_Pilot
2009-08-28, 13:35
I recolored the technical, lifted it a bit, and changed the 12.7 to a NSVT. You are more than welcome to use it... I think it would be a good idea to model an entirely new one, but you might use this one too, if only to add a bit of variety to your motor pool.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f388-community-modding/42375-proposal-army-democratic-republic-congo-faction-11.html#post858379

MMad
2009-08-28, 15:48
I recolored the technical, lifted it a bit, and changed the 12.7 to a NSVT. You are more than welcome to use it... I think it would be a good idea to model an entirely new one, but you might use this one too, if only to add a bit of variety to your motor pool.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f388-community-modding/42375-proposal-army-democratic-republic-congo-faction-11.html#post858379

Link seemed to point to the wrong post. I think this is the right one:

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f388-community-modding/42375-proposal-army-democratic-republic-congo-faction-42.html#post858379

It looks real nice, btw. :)

thedare
2009-08-28, 15:50
for an aa vehicle stick an AA emplacement on a technical!

162eRI
2009-08-29, 20:54
The best damn choice for the new technical and support jeep is the Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 . I think the best type is the Tropical Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 Pick-Up 70 Series (70, 75, 78 etc).

TOYOTA WILL RULE THE WORLD!

http://mattspremajorproject.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/toyota-land-cruiser-75-pick-up-1996.gif
http://www.rfi.fr/radiofr/images/102/rebellestchad432.jpg
http://accel21.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/500x333/2/23/39/99/arm-e/tchad-guerre-22_n.jpg
http://cache.20minutes.fr/img/photos/afp/2007-12/2007-12-02/article_CPS.HRQ72.021207135042.photo02.photo.defau lt-512x384.jpg
http://www.lexpress.fr/medias/88/vincent_181.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Chadian_soldiers_in_Toyota_pickup_truck.jpg
http://uppix.net/e/7/b/fe75599b03474f699a3e5f53f9096.jpg
http://uppix.net/a/a/1/5d37800c0621a20f434e1db8636f4.jpg
http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Casey54/CSP_Toyota1234567.jpg

Toyota Land Cruiser FJ28KB 50's series (http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/cars/toyota/10033/view/toyota_land_cruiser_fj28kb_1958/) (or something similar)
http://membres.lycos.fr/France40/photos/toyota.jpg

Panzerfire
2009-08-29, 21:33
http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Casey54/CSP_Toyota1234567.jpg
THIS ONE! THIS ONE! :D

It will make this faction uber-original.

Cow-driven Toyotas. :lol:

MAINERROR
2009-08-29, 21:38
162eRI;1123982']The best damn choice for the new technical and support jeep is the Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 . I think the best type is the Tropical Toyota Land Cruiser 4x4 Pick-Up 70 Series (70, 75, 78 etc).

Thats exactly the one I want to have done. :D

162eRI
2009-08-29, 23:51
Indeed, that's why I often said we are on the same level. Almost everything in your design plan is like what we had in mind. We just desagree about things like the Jaguar and the Bedford truck...

Our misunderstandings and disagreements are all about the background and name of the faction. It may look a childish matter, but it's, in our mind, really important. We can not bare the thought to see the African faction fighting in the jungles of West Africa, in the Desert of North Africa and the bush of East Africa, it's madness...

I agree like you we must only focus on one faction for now and see if we can make other after (Chad, Somalia, South Africa, why not!)... But this first faction would be settle only in one area.

I think if the community, the other factions and the French Forces achieve at least 5 African maps, it's gonne be the maximum we can all do. You know like me the times it take to make maps. So I don't think we will ever see maps in the desert or the bush for now, because that means more new statics and we can't! We should focus on one area for the maps: western Africa. The same area that the African faction we want.

That's what I tried to explain but English is not my first language and I fell to express our feelings on this matter. I hope you understand what we mean and that our point of view is the same than yours and give exactly the same thing to PR at the end, with more realism.

;)

We can both work on this faction and doing something great!!! We shouldn't fight over such childish matters. We should try to settle things. I'm gonna ask if someone within the FF Devteam want to start the Toyota Land Cruiser. We need you and you need us, as for now I don't see any other faction offering to model for this one...

anglomanii
2009-08-30, 01:07
for an aa vehicle stick an AA emplacement on a technical!

thats not such a far fetched idea,

MAINERROR
2009-08-30, 10:44
The the thing is that it'd be a totally different type of warfare if we actually get a bush map. It will also help making the faction more unique if we get new custom statics which is a top priority of this faction.

Creating statics is much simpler than creating vehicles and weapons. ;)

ChiefRyza
2009-08-31, 01:48
I'm working on concept art for a ARF map so I'll put them up soon. However I won't start it until I have finished my current map for the ADF but hopefully the skills I gain through completing that will help me with the next one.

MAINERROR
2009-08-31, 06:19
I'm working on concept art for a ARF map so I'll put them up soon. However I won't start it until I have finished my current map for the ADF but hopefully the skills I gain through completing that will help me with the next one.

Cool stuff. Can't wait to see your current project finished and then hopefully your design art. :)

Redamare
2009-12-15, 16:33
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/image/view/-/607732/highRes/81850/-/maxw/600/-/rrfu1uz/-/Somalia-militia.jpg
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/50595445.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=4996399091E83186B7749AE62EC954D84A5CA3D98B00E0B3
http://www.frankdux.de/images/travel/africa/timbuktu/_bus.jpg
http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/nursing_in_ghana/bus.jpg

MaxBooZe
2009-12-15, 16:51
This isnt going to work, THe BF2 Passenger limit is 8, these trucks mostly carry 16 people :P

eztonia
2009-12-15, 17:47
16? The bus seems to fit 50...

killonsight95
2009-12-15, 18:16
maybe you could put 2 vehcs together to make one? or is that impossible

Maxfragg
2009-12-15, 20:19
trust us, there is NO way to get more than 8 ppl in one vehicle, and nothing that comes to your mind so easyly hasn't been tested before, so, it really seams to be impossible

ma21212
2009-12-15, 21:48
Nancy M35A1 with Quad .50 cal guns on back... and an M60 on the front hehe
http://www.guntruck.com/Resources/Nancy11968.jpeg

Tannhauser
2009-12-15, 22:56
trust us, there is NO way to get more than 8 ppl in one vehicle, and nothing that comes to your mind so easyly hasn't been tested before, so, it really seams to be impossible

So what? Just reduce the number of places in techies and make the bus have 8 places thus making buses transport-trucks and techies... techies.
I mean, heck, techies are like insurgent squad cars and carry more people than a godamn Humvee! :-?
:razz:

Xavo|xXx
2009-12-16, 00:04
So what? Just reduce the number of places in techies and make the bus have 8 places thus making buses transport-trucks and techies... techies.
I mean, heck, techies are like insurgent squad cars and carry more people than a godamn Humvee! :-?
:razz:

Well that's because unlike a Technical, there are walls and doors and a closed in tray on the Humvee. That kinda stops people from hanging off the sides and sitting in the tray. Whilst on a techy, they lie all over the roof, on the floor of the tray, sitting on the sides of the tray, squeezed in the cab...

H.sta
2009-12-16, 06:28
hanging on rollerscates behind it...

RHYS4190
2009-12-16, 06:55
I liked the truck with the AA canons on it, was a nice touch.

personally i think what needs to be addressed is what do people need, A 4x4 with a canon on it, or a APC.

Personally i like the idea of the African faction having at least a rudimentary form self propelled arty,

PLODDITHANLEY
2009-12-16, 08:48
I spent alot of time in Africa (Zambia, Zimbabwe and Angola) in the mid nineties.

The car equipped locals have mostly standard Hilux pick ups 2 door model

Landcruisers - often the whites, government, police aid agencies etc.

Land Rovers are very rare amongst locals (I am not biased I have one - but hopefully soon a Hilux)

Meza82
2010-01-01, 04:30
me likes bafflefielf . let chaos ring.

TristanYockell
2010-01-01, 06:08
Something like this would work great.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_8FSiOphVdZg/Sv2r_8uvx3I/AAAAAAAAEoU/ioJ5Odj1czk/s800/Technical1.jpg

killonsight95
2010-01-01, 13:46
Something like this would work great.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_8FSiOphVdZg/Sv2r_8uvx3I/AAAAAAAAEoU/ioJ5Odj1czk/s800/Technical1.jpg
holy...
i want one just to ride around in and scare all the poor poepel i drive past