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Nickbond592
2009-07-10, 22:54
Well hello there!

I thought its about time I let you all know what i'm up to :razz:


Some of you may recognise the name of the map and have possibly seen pics dotted around the forum if you have a keen eye. The Map is part 3 of the militia series alongside Mestia, Fools Road and 'Siege at Ochamachira' (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f196-pr-dev-journal/46931-map-siege-ochamachira-wip.html)

The map was created by Irontaxi, who left it to persue a sucessful mapping and modeling role with Z-trooper in "Offworld: fall of mars", Rhino then asked me to finish of the map. Thankfully both Irontaxi and Z-trooper are activly contributing to PR again and you'll see plenty more of their fine work in the mod

It will feature the Militia ( duh ;) ) and British Forces Fighting over a war torn City, much like the ones pictured in the recent War between Russia and Georgia, Big concrete tower blocks and the like :)

My aim for the map is to see Tanks and mechanised infantry in a urban environment, with the militia ambushing using spandrels and rpg attacks from the hundreds of windows inside the city ( 90% of the buildings in the city will be enterable )

This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQLrnN3qsDs&feature=related

Obviously this map is still a work in progress, nothing as of yet has been lightmapped or fully completed so take the following pictures with a pinch of salt ;)

Minimap
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/dragonflymini.jpg

Screens
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1021-04-20-53.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1021-06-33-04.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1021-02-34-26.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1021-01-45-68.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1020-58-30-00.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1020-55-28-89.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1020-51-36-48.jpg


So there you have it, Dragonfly :)

Nick.

Robbi
2009-07-10, 22:57
Yes mate! xD

I'm Happy

Spaz
2009-07-10, 22:57
Its coming along really nice, looking good Nick. :)

Rudd
2009-07-10, 22:58
Fanstastic :)

Ragni<RangersPL>
2009-07-10, 23:00
Finally!!! Dragonfly is coming :D


Can't wait ;)

torenico
2009-07-10, 23:03
Nice Work nick

And nice Mappin Skills tho.

Now lets search for "Nick Bond" made whit Overgrowht

Rudd
2009-07-10, 23:09
Nice Work nick

And nice Mappin Skills tho.

Now lets search for "Nick Bond" made whit Overgrowht

don't forget the penis :)

Rangu
2009-07-10, 23:16
Delicious!

J.F.Leusch69
2009-07-10, 23:20
we needed a urban map with the CR2 woodland :D


if that doesnt feature it i will feel mad:(

Dr Rank
2009-07-10, 23:34
Great work Bondage 8)

FuzzySquirrel
2009-07-10, 23:38
That's hawt, Too bad the video didnt work.

Outlawz7
2009-07-10, 23:38
So not Russians?

McBumLuv
2009-07-10, 23:42
Awesome :D

Let's hope it's not one of those prized yet rare jewels like Tad Sae, where the troops regularly walk on phallus-shaped vegetation, but I guess that's what probably made it so underplayed :(

Rudd
2009-07-10, 23:44
So not Russians?

would be awesome if it was Brit Vs Russians

steve_06-07
2009-07-10, 23:51
The youtube video isn't available in my country "for copyright reasons" or something along those lines...

-=ThorSteinar=-
2009-07-10, 23:52
Great Job man! I thing a bit more trees in the wood area will make the map perfect

ReaperMAC
2009-07-10, 23:53
Very Cool.

Spaz
2009-07-10, 23:59
That video is one of the best war scenes ever.

crazy11
2009-07-10, 23:59
Cant wait to play it!

Nickbond592
2009-07-11, 00:01
The youtube video isn't available in my country "for copyright reasons" or something along those lines...

the video shows the final 'uprising' scene of the film 'children of men'

where clive owen runs through the streets of a delerict British immigration camp set in the near future, dodging rebels and the british army kitted out with scimitars and challenger 2's decorated with a snazzy digital cammo, the vid shows some nice scenes of a tower block beseiged by british troops and armour, with some really cool explosions and gunfights.

LeChuckle
2009-07-11, 00:03
russia - chechnya in insurgency game mode plz :)

Spaz
2009-07-11, 00:04
Nickbond592;1080895']with some really cool explosions and gunfights.

And not only does it look great, its like a 6 minutes long cut. :p

cyberzomby
2009-07-11, 00:24
Dang'a'madang! That is a big epic map!

akatabrask
2009-07-11, 00:30
Wow, this map is pure beauty.

And finally you hear something about this map again, read about it a while ago and then it dissappeared.

I was, and am still looking forward to this. It will be epic. ;)

casiNo
2009-07-11, 00:42
Really awesome idea for a map

Spartan0189
2009-07-11, 00:45
Awesome map, I can't wait to see this one in real game :P

sakils2
2009-07-11, 00:55
I would love to see Russkies fighting against Militia. Seems more appropriate and realistic.

Captain Mactavish
2009-07-11, 01:43
Add tanks and we are in Business.

Cpl.Small
2009-07-11, 01:52
Good to see a city, rather than the maps that are just tedious forest everywhere

IronTaxi
2009-07-11, 01:52
Just when I thought old nickky bond had died....He pops his weee head up again...

nice work finishing it off.. defintitely make it for .9 and help finish the militia series in grand style.. :)

(along with Ocha to make 4)

Spuz36
2009-07-11, 02:16
Yes indeed looks great! But are the bridges adequately supported??? (just asking for all those bridge weenies out there :D ) Reminds me of the Iron Ridge discussion. The city blocks also sorta remind me of it.

rangedReCon
2009-07-11, 02:19
The map looks pretty epic, the city looks very ghosttowny. Looking forward to it.

[=FF=]KeeNBulleT
2009-07-11, 02:24
Isnt it gonna b a bit hard? Just foresty? Looks like a ghost town.. Lolz but great job M8 keep it up!!!

Ricardo-SC
2009-07-11, 02:29
OMG! Fanstastic!!! [2] :razz:

charliegrs
2009-07-11, 03:16
I would love to see Russkies fighting against Militia. Seems more appropriate and realistic.

Yeah I couldnt agree more. I could never wrap my head around the old militia maps before the brits were replaced with russians. It just didnt seem right to me. Dragonfly looks like Grozny, its needs russians! But regardless il still play it and love it :)

Silly_Savage
2009-07-11, 05:38
C-C-Combo breaker!

I too am curious as to why the sudden switch from Russians vs. Chechens to British vs. Chechens. It seems illogical and flat out wrong.

steve_06-07
2009-07-11, 05:40
I don't care if it's Brits or Ruskies, as long as BOTH sides have tanks I am happy. Challenger 2/T-90vsT-62 Action!

agentscar
2009-07-11, 07:45
Looking very nice bond!
Gonna have some sick urban combat! :)

nickshehan
2009-07-11, 08:36
OMG, It's Grozny!!! Is that the rail-way station South West of the city??
We need Russians with loads of Armour vs Chechens with RPG/PKM/Sniper hunter-killer teams, just like the real battle.This makes me really excited, I've wanted a grozny map since the rebels were introduced.

It would be epic to have 10-15 APC's duing a convoy through the city with an RPG in every building.

I think the map should focus more on urban combat, so the city should be bigger...I'm really tired of wandering through the woods seeing nothing but trees all day...

Great map, Looks amazing as it stands now, cant wait to see it when its finished.Now I have something other than sangin to look forward too. PLEASE post updates and screenshots regularly!

marcoelnk
2009-07-11, 08:48
Nice work! :)

HughJass
2009-07-11, 09:16
looks really good, I just wish there was more european city statics. Also, I wish the russians were in this map.... Brits should get iron ridge.

black-wolf
2009-07-11, 09:53
The british army didn't look quite in that vid.

black-wolf
2009-07-11, 09:56
Meh, I meant quite nice.
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sakils2
2009-07-11, 09:57
looks really good, I just wish there was more european city statics. Also, I wish the russians were in this map.... Brits should get iron ridge.

I'd rather see Russkies on this map and on Iron Ridge. They only have 3 maps and it WOULD be more realistic and appropriate.

Terry Tibbs
2009-07-11, 10:51
Oh god, I can't believe we're gonna have Brit vs. militia maps, even though we have the Russians now. That's just major fail.

hiberNative
2009-07-11, 11:11
isn't this post's pictures breaking the forum size rules? ;P

this looks awesome indeed. been waiting for a pripyat-like map.

sakils2
2009-07-11, 11:13
But no Russians and no T-90 love... :(

hiberNative
2009-07-11, 11:14
Oh god, I can't believe we're gonna have Brit vs. militia maps, even though we have the Russians now. That's just major fail.
russians are already on fools road and assault on mestina. i'm ok with having the brits as variation.

Alex6714
2009-07-11, 11:16
Brits on the map ftw.:)

hyraclyon
2009-07-11, 11:21
aww please no brits that spoils it :( Russians would fit way better :neutral:

map looks really nice though! :wink:

Smegburt_funkledink
2009-07-11, 12:04
Nice work Irontaxi and Bondage. Seems you'll never learn though... too many trees! :D

WilsonPL
2009-07-11, 12:08
Add many apcs for British forces, and technicals / dirtbikes for militia

STORM-Mama
2009-07-11, 12:20
Chechens vs. Brits would feel... weird. Replace one of the teams with the Russians, as it would make more sense. Russia vs. Britain, two would be awesome! We have all to few urban maps with conventional forces fighting against each other. :wink:

sakils2
2009-07-11, 12:23
Ermm... No Chechens on this map :wink:

Militia against British. Russians would make more sense, though...

STORM-Mama
2009-07-11, 12:39
Well, the "militia" team was changed to Chechnya in 0.85. Will they rename them and give them their old flag just for this map?

Russia deserves to be on every map set in the Caucasus (since this map is said to be part of the same "series" as Fool's Road and Mestia I guess it's also set in the same region) because it is, so to say, their battlefield. Brits fighting local Caucasian militias and rebels makes about as much sense as having the Russians taking on the Iraqi insurgents. :wink:

But I think this is a perfect opportunity to see Russia fight some other conventional army. It's also a good way to satisfy both sides, both those that want to see the British on the map and those that dislike the idea of Englishmen fight local guerillas in the Caucasus. Make this Russia versus Britain, please. :)

Dr Rank
2009-07-11, 12:43
too many trees! :D

x2

Waaaaay too many

Zoddom
2009-07-11, 13:20
aww please no brits that spoils it :( Russians would fit way better :neutral:

map looks really nice though! :wink:
i would really like to see the germans in there because this map reminds me of OPK and this woodland/urban feeling is just aawesome

marcoelnk
2009-07-11, 13:44
i would really like to see the germans in there because this map reminds me of OPK and this woodland/urban feeling is just aawesome

so... looking awesome is an argument for putting the germans on this map ?
thats not a very plausible argumentation though i wouldnt refuse it either ... ;)

sakils2
2009-07-11, 14:55
Well, the "militia" team was changed to Chechnya in 0.85. Will they rename them and give them their old flag just for this map?

The maker said Militia, not Chechens. Tell that to him.


Russia deserves to be on every map set in the Caucasus (since this map is said to be part of the same "series" as Fool's Road and Mestia I guess it's also set in the same region) because it is, so to say, their battlefield. Brits fighting local Caucasian militias and rebels makes about as much sense as having the Russians taking on the Iraqi insurgents. :wink:

I fully agree on this one.




BLA BLA BLA

jbgeezer
2009-07-11, 15:05
woohoo nice!

SqnLdr
2009-07-11, 15:15
Yayy!!!!!!
Good one.

Farks
2009-07-11, 15:21
Nickbond - porn is not allowed on the forum. I've reported your post.


;)

woefie
2009-07-11, 15:43
nice , i like the city with the dark clouds 8-):grin:

Blade.3510
2009-07-11, 17:22
looks sweet i love this sort of maps and the fact its brits!!! someone slap me im dribling :p

M_Striker
2009-07-11, 17:30
Looks very nice, but very, very, very similar to Iron Ridge.

nickshehan
2009-07-11, 18:22
Brits vs Russians would fail...at least on this map, not saying that it wouldn't be cool its just the wrong map for it. We NEED Russians in Grozny!!!

smee
2009-07-11, 18:28
i like the look of the minimap but think it's looking bit milton keynes too clean roads needs some roughage has a very vbf2 feel needs some falujah magic added in there maybe some ambients. (smoke, lights, streetsigns )

mp5punk
2009-07-11, 18:44
i love the idea of ambushes in the city, sounds epic!

Rudd
2009-07-11, 18:48
My only problem that I can see is the city is just

THIS IS CITY < > THIS IS FOREST

there's no smaller buildings between the Forest and city.

Lt Mic
2009-07-11, 19:36
Very nice :)

Wilkinson
2009-07-11, 20:09
says the guy with the avatar containing a man's arse in another man's face

so does my avatar make me a gay pervert?

Why don't you both Cut it out because this isn't the place to talk about this.



Nickbond, Excellent work mate. Is there a piping system running through the city and such. Would make it so much fun :D

HughJass
2009-07-11, 20:10
My only problem that I can see is the city is just

THIS IS CITY < > THIS IS FOREST

there's no smaller buildings between the Forest and city.

disagreed, there is a right amount of buildings outside the city.

Nickbond592
2009-07-11, 20:10
Wilkinson;1081576']

Nickbond, Excellent work mate. Is there a piping system running through the city and such. Would make it so much fun :D


you mean like a sewer system? spanning the entire city, combining a underground netwrok, along with street level and enterable multistory buildings making 3 possible places in the same spot to have a firefight ?

you'll have to wait and see ;)

steve_06-07
2009-07-11, 20:17
What would be really awesome if there were storm drains where you could shoot from!

BlackwaterSaxon
2009-07-11, 20:28
Map looks fantastic, looking forward to some room by room building clearance :)

nickshehan
2009-07-11, 20:31
gay-no
perverted-maybe;-)
observant-yes


Underground network FTW


Once again great map, keep up the awesome work-now how about some new screens :mrgreen:

IronTaxi
2009-07-11, 20:41
What would be really awesome if there were storm drains where you could shoot from!

;) well...just maybe

hiberNative
2009-07-11, 20:54
Nickbond592;1081579']you mean like a sewer system? spanning the entire city, combining a underground netwrok, along with street level and enterable multistory buildings making 3 possible places in the same spot to have a firefight ?

you'll have to wait and see ;)
i disagree. elevations are overrated.

Nickbond592
2009-07-11, 21:14
A few more SS's then :)



i like the look of the minimap but think it's looking bit milton keynes too clean roads needs some roughage has a very vbf2 feel needs some falujah magic added in there maybe some ambients. (smoke, lights, streetsigns )

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1121-00-51-42.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1121-02-40-59.jpg

nickshehan
2009-07-11, 21:17
i disagree. elevations are overrated.

Elevations are a crucial part of combat, being at a higher elevation than your enemy gives you the advantage in a firefight.

thats two DEV winks in a row...looking forward to the sewer system:grin:

Wilkinson
2009-07-11, 21:24
Nickbond592;1081619']A few more SS's then :)





http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1121-00-51-42.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1121-02-40-59.jpg

.....

:shock:

Epic win Nickbond and Iron.

FuzzySquirrel
2009-07-11, 21:42
I wanna play this :cry:

Tomato-Rifle
2009-07-11, 23:37
Nickbond592;1080828']



This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQLrnN3qsDs&feature=related





NOES! "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions."

But anyway, great looking map

flem615
2009-07-12, 05:34
looks great! i cant wait for some more british maps. but i must say i like the brits in the desert better. but this is still great!

Rudd
2009-07-12, 05:50
looks great! i cant wait for some more british maps. but i must say i like the brits in the desert better. but this is still great!

I'd have to agree tbh, but I love the look of this map as well.

I was wondering, what are you gonna do Layer wise?

I assume 16, infantry, 64 full assets....32?

Stiller_001
2009-07-12, 06:44
looks good, can't wait to play!

STORM-Mama
2009-07-12, 10:29
My only problem that I can see is the city is just

THIS IS CITY < > THIS IS FOREST

there's no smaller buildings between the Forest and city.

Well, that's what these "new cities" of the Soviet Union looked like. If they had a factory or whatever in a remote area of the country they just built a huge amount of similar apartment buildings close by so that the workers would have somewhere to live. Not like the city we westerners are used to, cities that build themselves over time, where every building is unique.

WilsonPL
2009-07-12, 10:40
Storm Mama is right, similiar "cities" were build for workers or soldiers in USSR.

RedAlertSF
2009-07-12, 10:42
Looks great!

Blade.3510
2009-07-12, 14:23
Question! can we expect to see a new class of apc for the brits seeing as they currently have 2 classes

AppyUntinx
2009-07-12, 16:09
Looks amazing

IronTaxi
2009-07-12, 19:03
Well, that's what these "new cities" of the Soviet Union looked like. If they had a factory or whatever in a remote area of the country they just built a huge amount of similar apartment buildings close by so that the workers would have somewhere to live. Not like the city we westerners are used to, cities that build themselves over time, where every building is unique.

exactly that was the idea.. I based the city off quite a few refs and the initial road plan was actually grozny.. very modified and simplififed of course...

IronTaxi
2009-07-12, 19:05
I'd have to agree tbh, but I love the look of this map as well.

I was wondering, what are you gonna do Layer wise?

I assume 16, infantry, 64 full assets....32?

no idea yet be looking at an asset heavy layer with the militia entrenched in the city with few assets but lots of access to arms...

ReaperMAC
2009-07-12, 19:24
IronTaxi;1082475']no idea yet be looking at an asset heavy layer with the militia entrenched in the city with few assets but lots of access to arms...

You should put an aircraft carrier on the map, it would wtfsurprise the milita for sure.

Rudd
2009-07-12, 19:25
Question! can we expect to see a new class of apc for the brits seeing as they currently have 2 classes

bulldog would be pretty cool, or a cougar varient. But I expect there will be alot of new content for all teams in PR .9

Anhkhoa
2009-07-12, 19:26
ReaperMAC;1082487']You should put an aircraft carrier on the map, it would wtfsurprise the milita for sure.

And Dinosaur easter eggs. (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f11-off-topic-discussion/63633-dinosaurs-pr.html)

IronTaxi
2009-07-12, 19:33
ReaperMAC;1082487']You should put an aircraft carrier on the map, it would wtfsurprise the milita for sure.


yeah and Ill put a mosque on the carrier and say it was capped by insurgents...

yeah.. and ill put the construction crane on the deck too so snipers can snipez from there....yeah yeah...

:mr-t:

STORM-Mama
2009-07-12, 20:03
IronTaxi;1082472']exactly that was the idea.. I based the city off quite a few refs and the initial road plan was actually grozny.. very modified and simplififed of course...
I see. Grozny, together with Pripyat, is one of the most famous examples of this kind of functionalistic way of planning and building cities. Judging from the pictures, you've done a great work of transferring the looks and atmosphere of those Soviet cities to PR! If someone says that the look of the map feels dull or boring and that the architecture is repetive you should think of it as a compliment, because that's what these towns feel like.;-)

By the way, the fact that the map is based on Grozny is yet another argument for having Ivan and his tanks featured on the map.:razz: But it's your map, you decide.

HughJass
2009-07-12, 20:41
I see. Grozny, together with Pripyat, is one of the most famous examples of this kind of functionalistic way of planning and building cities. Judging from the pictures, you've done a great work of transferring the looks and atmosphere of those Soviet cities to PR! If someone says that the look of the map feels dull or boring and that the architecture is repetive you should think of it as a compliment, because that's what these towns feel like.;-)

By the way, the fact that the map is based on Grozny is yet another argument for having Ivan and his tanks featured on the map.:razz: But it's your map, you decide.

Exactly! give this to russians, brits can get iron ridge

FuzzySquirrel
2009-07-12, 20:42
How big is it?

zippothekiller
2009-07-12, 23:00
omg i was dreaming about a map like this :-D

MMad
2009-07-13, 09:08
Aaaaawesome! :) Love both the Soviet-style city layout and the gameplay concept. Really looking forward to this one. :)

Captain Mactavish
2009-07-13, 10:30
British vs russian would be very nice.

162eRI
2009-07-13, 10:50
Really, really nice work there! Everything is well done, it's hard to find mistakes.

But I feel like its a twin of Iron Ridge map! Perhaps because "Soviet" cities and maps are all similar and we don't get that much different assets for them?!

Nonetheless, like I said, I find this atmosphere really similar (because of the forest, the colors... I don't know!) and IMO, that's just my opinion, large maps like this are boring to play. I prefer more and more urban maps.

But it looks like you made an hell of urban area with the city!!! It promises to be really interesting to play. So yes, I think all the players will converge to the city and all around it will be abandon...

Continue like that! Some unique assests for this map would be awesome and make this map really different (like an abandoned airfield with wrecks planes or I don't know, something "mysterious") because I don't think the English or whatever faction it will be, will get involve in such city for just fighting against insurgents? They must have some objectives??

PS: yes, IMO, I think also Russian feet better for this map. The English army have never been there in its history, why would they go there? And especially, how?? And not to forget that the English army isn't the Russian, Chinese or US army, they don't get thousands of regiments to spread all over the world. They are already in China and Middle East...

ChiefRyza
2009-07-13, 12:00
Please PLEASE don't make this another Russian vs Militia map. There is far too many of them in PR....to the point where I hate them with a passion. It's nice to have a bit of diversity, plus, many of PR's battles are fictional. If we only made maps based on real combat zones then we would have a very bland game...

$pyker
2009-07-13, 12:46
Please PLEASE don't make this another Russian vs Militia map. There is far too many of them in PR....to the point where I hate them with a passion. It's nice to have a bit of diversity, plus, many of PR's battles are fictional. If we only made maps based on real combat zones then we would have a very bland game...

what!!?!?!? there are only 3 maps with them on which is nothing in comparison to how many maps other factions have

Outlawz7
2009-07-13, 12:47
Please PLEASE don't make this another Russian vs Militia map. There is far too many of them in PR....

Oh yeah 3 maps is a lot, considering the same 3 maps are also the only ones where the two factions appear in-game. :rolleyes:

IronTaxi
2009-07-13, 15:25
If someone says that the look of the map feels dull or boring and that the architecture is repetive you should think of it as a compliment, because that's what these towns feel like.;-)


its terribly gray and repetitive...just as planned...

your eyes will probably get tired from all the drabness and you will wish you had never volunteered for the PR army and come to this hell hole where a militant group (notice I NEVER call them Chechens) are trying to hand you your ass..

it is drab..and repetitive...and hundreds of windows to be shot from...

thats the idea..

:P

hiberNative
2009-07-13, 15:31
i, for one, never get tired of monochrome colors in games. i love it, and the map looks great <3

ExFLaMe
2009-07-13, 16:20
So sexy...

Blade.3510
2009-07-13, 16:59
cant w8!!!!

UKrealplayER666
2009-07-13, 17:51
i, for one, never get tired of monochrome colors in games.

Neither does my computer, the smaller the cache it needs to create the better :D

map looks effin awesome though, good work

M.Warren
2009-07-14, 01:15
A lot of maps showing up lately with insane barriers posed as geography. Making it across the water gap in any fashion should raise some interesting scenarios. Whether they succeed in doing so or not is apparently a highlight.

[uBp]Irish
2009-07-14, 04:50
Nickbond592;1080828'] ( 90% of the buildings in the city will be enterable )

Don't care if it looks like another map or not. That's all i care about. Proper urban combat - with armor.

IronTaxi
2009-07-14, 05:24
Irish;1083641']Don't care if it looks like another map or not. That's all i care about. Proper urban combat - with armor.

yeah this will be really the key to the map...not so much the rest of the map as the pure square footage of the combat area due to all the multifloored buildings and some other "areas"

master of the templars
2009-07-14, 08:57
Mmm... the British with their L85 will bring back memories of S.T.A.L.K.E.R i used the l85 all through that game :)

Very nice looking map also, glad to see an urban map that's not Middle eastern or Chinese.

Blade.3510
2009-07-14, 12:37
Mmm... the British with their L85 will bring back memories of S.T.A.L.K.E.R i used the l85 all through that game :)

Very nice looking map also, glad to see an urban map that's not Middle eastern or Chinese.

agreed!! :)

oxYris
2009-07-14, 13:40
Looking very interesting. Especially as you can get in many of the building.

Hptm.Akira
2009-07-14, 15:51
Wooow, that looks awesome! cant wait.



- Hauptmann

SGT_Griggs
2009-07-14, 16:28
CANT WAIT!!! This looks awesome!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:

[uBp]Irish
2009-07-14, 16:50
IronTaxi;1083657']yeah this will be really the key to the map...not so much the rest of the map as the pure square footage of the combat area due to all the multifloored buildings and some other "areas"

other areas? Taxi, might you be able to direct us to some of these 'areas' or are pics of the enterable buildings on the forums somewhere?

00SoldierofFortune00
2009-07-14, 21:07
Nickbond592;1081619']A few more SS's then :)


http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1121-00-51-42.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/nickbond592/Mapping/BF22009-07-1121-02-40-59.jpg



After seeing these pics, I definately agree that it should be a Russian vs. Chechen map cus it looks just like Grozny, a little bit of Pripyat, and a little like Beslan where the school shootout happened. Let's all be honest too, the faction ingame are Chechens, not "militants" in most people's mind, so seeing the Russians battling this faction would make more sense to most. Why would the British fly half way around the world to fight some rag tag group of "militia" anyways?

Imagine a battle like this ingame between the Russians and Chechens....

hjDt57s5Keo

Rudd
2009-07-14, 21:30
Why would the British fly half way around the world to fight some rag tag group of "militia" anyways?

Britain has been involved in numerous peacekeeping missions in areas wherea a "militia" faction have been present in some form.

Nickbond592
2009-07-14, 22:10
awesome video there, that'll come in useful !

Cpl.Small
2009-07-14, 22:53
Britain has been involved in numerous peacekeeping missions in areas wherea a "militia" faction have been present in some form.

Yer i mean Taliban aren't exactly a conventional force right?

rexik
2009-07-14, 23:07
Fantastic map, can't wait to be there on ground, it specially on Tournament.

Offtopic

Imagine a battle like this ingame between the Russians and Chechens....


It wont be the same because, both of teams have SCOPES, from I know when you've got iron sight, you do shoot at enemy to keep him suppressed, when you've got scope, you wait until he shows in your sight and then you shoot.
Imho, I'll repeat again and again, scopes from AKs should be removed on both sides, for targets more than 100-150m you've got Marksman(SVD), for more than 300m, you've got sniper, but who will listen to me...

00SoldierofFortune00
2009-07-15, 16:57
Britain has been involved in numerous peacekeeping missions in areas wherea a "militia" faction have been present in some form.

So has the US and other forces ingame, especially if you are referring to the Taliban, so you could make an argument for having the US on this map. You could even make an argument for the Canadians being on this map. I would like to see neither and see the Russians because it is more fitting and realistic, especially with the Chechen and Georgian conflicts over there, but that's just me. The British flying half way around the world to fight some militia who we all know wouldn't attack them doesn't make much sense.


Cpl.Small;1084499']Yer i mean Taliban aren't exactly a conventional force right?

Yea, but the only reason the British/Canadians are there is because the US was attacked. If the US wasn't attacked, they would have no reason to be there. If Russia was attacked, you really think they would ask the British or US to come help them out? No.


Fantastic map, can't wait to be there on ground, it specially on Tournament.

Offtopic


It wont be the same because, both of teams have SCOPES, from I know when you've got iron sight, you do shoot at enemy to keep him suppressed, when you've got scope, you wait until he shows in your sight and then you shoot.
Imho, I'll repeat again and again, scopes from AKs should be removed on both sides, for targets more than 100-150m you've got Marksman(SVD), for more than 300m, you've got sniper, but who will listen to me...


The point of the militia on this map would be to use guerilla tactics in an urban environment and use the apartment buildings for cover. That way they could ambush all the conventional forces in the street below. The militia side is always going to lose more troops in the end no matter what, because that's how it is in real life (lesser weapons, training, and technology), but they use other methods to win the overall battle and big picture (protecting caches or having more tickets).

162eRI
2009-07-15, 17:27
Agree.

Britain has been involved in numerous peacekeeping missions in areas wherea a "militia" faction have been present in some form.
Well, yes, but not in such places! The English army never went in this area in all its history.
Secondly, how they could make it? Thirdly, the English army, it's not the Chinese, US or Russian army, they don't get thousands of regiments to spread all over the world. If we are looking at PR, they are already involved in Middle East and South East Asia... isn't that enough?

Silly_Savage
2009-07-15, 20:10
I agree, it would totally break the immersion having the British on this map instead of the Russians. It just wouldn't feel right.

burghUK
2009-07-15, 20:24
162eRI;1085208']Agree.


Well, yes, but not in such places! The british army never went in this area in all its history.
Secondly, how they could make it? Thirdly, the british army, it's not the Chinese, US or Russian army, they don't get thousands of regiments to spread all over the world. If we are looking at PR, they are already involved in Middle East and South East Asia... isn't that enough?

Ill just correct you there in bold. It just annoys me being scottish that people forget we contribute to the british army and lose people too.

Alex6714
2009-07-15, 20:37
I agree, it would totally break the immersion having the British on this map instead of the Russians. It just wouldn't feel right.

Whaa? Whats that for an argument? Do you sit there drooling over the factions on the spawn menu? Gameply > Faction. Imo brits make the map more interesting rather than just AK vs AK and such. I totally fail to see how it breaks imersion. Deviation greatly breaks imersion and doesn´t feel right for me but I bet you like it.

I get how a can be realistic or not, but break the imersion? So I guess you don´t play any maps with MEC on them?

Spaz
2009-07-15, 20:42
The Brits have done peacekeeping missions in countries like Kosovo, Bosnia and Sierra Leone and afaik the idea with this map series is kind of the same. Nick told me that a militia war lord is trafficking weapons and the Brits are there on behalf of the UN to help the population. And after talking a bit with Nick about the story on this map the Brits are there doing a peacekeeping mission that goes bad.

And I think Brits need more maps and at least I loved to have them fight the old militia and you can't really think it will ruin the whole map to have the Brits fight on it instead of the Russians

Silly_Savage
2009-07-15, 22:49
Whaa? Whats that for an argument? Do you sit there drooling over the factions on the spawn menu? Gameply > Faction. Imo brits make the map more interesting rather than just AK vs AK and such. I totally fail to see how it breaks imersion. Deviation greatly breaks imersion and doesn´t feel right for me but I bet you like it.

I get how a can be realistic or not, but break the imersion? So I guess you don´t play any maps with MEC on them?

I don't know if you're trying to get a rise out of me or just being a douche. Anyways, my post was simply my opinion, not an argument.

I feel like breaking what was known as the "Militia Series" (Assault on Mestia and Fool's Road) by replacing the Russians with the British is just wrong and would break the immersion of having an ongoing battle.

You do realize that the maps are supposed to be connected, right? Do the Russians just pack up and leave and let the British deal with it or what? I fail to see the reason of adding the British other than just giving them a new map to play on.

Alex6714
2009-07-15, 23:08
You do realize that the maps are supposed to be connected, right? Do the Russians just pack up and leave and let the British deal with it or what? I fail to see the reason of adding the British other than just giving them a new map to play on.

Yup, and the story is that brits are on them, russia was only put on because when the faction was introduced it had no maps. The story is actually about Brits vs Militia. Hey, we all have opinions, you don´t like it, but how it breaks imersion I don´t know.

Nickbond592
2009-07-15, 23:10
Savage, the russians were not on the series of maps first :wink: For your information, the Maps were created with the British in mind, the Russians came after.

I think you should leave the decision of the factions to Irontaxi, myself and the other devs to decide.

Regardless of who is picked to play on the map, someone will have a hissy fit, so dont worry, sit back and if you dont like it, complain later eh ?

Silly_Savage
2009-07-15, 23:33
I do know that the British were originally on the maps, but I always thought of them as the placeholders for the Russians. Perhaps I have it backwards?

If that's the case, and the Russians were only featured because they lacked proper maps, then who are they to fight now?

You can't honestly tell me that the Russians weren't meant to fight the "Militia", now renamed "Chechens" and that the "Militia Series" was always meant to be the British against the Chechens.

I have no intentions of complaining. I guess you could say I'm dumbfounded about the whole "British vs. Chechens" instead of the "Russians vs. Chechens".

It just seems totally illogical.

You could say that the British are there on peace keeping missions with the UN...I guess.

Given the current and past conflicts between the Russians and Chechen militants, it only seemed right to have the Russians pitted against the Chechens...

Alex6714
2009-07-15, 23:38
You could say that the British are there on peace keeping missions with the UN...I guess.



Thats what the story is iirc. The thing is it isn´t chechens, its militia. I don´t know if the actual faction will be used or not but I I think thats the idea. I really don´t know why there is so much worry about whether british or russians is logical enough, when many other things are insanely wrong.

Like I said earlier, is MEC logical? Not really. But they are fun to play, add another faction and thats good. I don´t load kashan up and think how illogical it is that there is a fictional forces suddenly there, I just play the map because its fun. Hell, put PLA, Russians or anyone on there instead and I don´t care, as long as the struff they are using is realistically portayed its grean and fun to play.

Rudd
2009-07-16, 00:50
wow guys, maybe we should all calm down eh? At the end of the day:

1) the mappers choose

2) We don't know if they have started beta test play yet, which means that no1 knows how the game plays out. So maybe the Russians will get in, maybe not. Maybe it will be decided in the end that the USMC should get it?

At the end of the day, its a new map, and PR's real weakness imo is the lack of maps, so lets just be happy!

IronTaxi
2009-07-16, 01:59
wow guys, maybe we should all calm down eh? At the end of the day:

1) the mappers choose

2) We don't know if they have started beta test play yet, which means that no1 knows how the game plays out. So maybe the Russians will get in, maybe not. Maybe it will be decided in the end that the USMC should get it?

At the end of the day, its a new map, and PR's real weakness imo is the lack of maps, so lets just be happy!

cheers.. it fairly irrelevant BUT...

Yes the maps were lent to the russians.

Yes the maps were intended to be brit vs militia from the beginning (there were no russians at the time anyway so)

Yes the brits are there on a UN mission

NO the militia were never intended to be chechen and I fought tooth and nail to stop them ever becoming so but lost..

case closed...

hey I know!!! lets enjoy the map!!!!

:)

00SoldierofFortune00
2009-07-16, 02:21
I do know that the British were originally on the maps, but I always thought of them as the placeholders for the Russians. Perhaps I have it backwards?

If that's the case, and the Russians were only featured because they lacked proper maps, then who are they to fight now?

You can't honestly tell me that the Russians weren't meant to fight the "Militia", now renamed "Chechens" and that the "Militia Series" was always meant to be the British against the Chechens.

I have no intentions of complaining. I guess you could say I'm dumbfounded about the whole "British vs. Chechens" instead of the "Russians vs. Chechens".

It just seems totally illogical.

You could say that the British are there on peace keeping missions with the UN...I guess.

Given the current and past conflicts between the Russians and Chechen militants, it only seemed right to have the Russians pitted against the Chechens...

I agree.

And even if the Chechens were renamed "militia" for this map, most people are still going to associate or say they are "Chechens" not militia.

master of the templars
2009-07-16, 09:00
Its only a few changes to the localisation file if you wanna change it for yourself, except for the flag.

Latrix
2009-07-16, 09:38
Hell yeah. Brits in forest sounds not so bad.

RedAlertSF
2009-07-16, 10:32
I think Fools Road and Assault on Mestia had way better gameplay with British and Russians. Brits are excellent choice for this map.

Blade.3510
2009-07-16, 12:18
I think Fools Road and Assault on Mestia had way better gameplay with British and Russians. Brits are excellent choice for this map.

agreed!

Gore
2009-07-16, 14:49
Good looking map. Russia versus some coalition force would be awesome.

berny
2009-07-16, 15:08
very nice

jerkzilla
2009-07-17, 13:04
Some might consider this a nitpick but subtlety was never really a part of socialist monuments.
I'm sure you've seen this picture (http://www.hunguesthotels.hu/media/Image/platanus_hotel_budapest/Programokhoz%20kepek/MP_02_StatuePark.jpg). Well, that's not it's original position. In all probability, it was actually placed on a huge pedestal, kind of like this (http://allias.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/statuia-aviatorilor.jpg), but not as big.
IMO a pedestal half the size of the statue, not very complicated geometric shape, probably white or brown marble would do very much in terms of getting across that feeling of bad-taste grandeur typically associated with all forms of socialist art. + covering that square with concrete would help a lot.
Also, statues of that size were usually made of some type of metal, practically never out of concrete. Stone wasn't really common either.
Oh and most communist blocks where built with this stuff (http://www.avangardaplus.ro/produse/bca.jpg) (usually rendered gray or light beige, sometimes parts covered with brick) or concrete prefabs but almost never built entirely of brick even if it was just 4 storeys high.
Again, IMO, it doesn't look gray enough (also note, it's more like light gray).
I'd also add that it hurts my eyes whenever I see ground level balconies but I doubt anyone here cares about my eyes so I'll just ask: would any of you want to live in an apartment with such easy outside access?
That said, even if all that is completely disregarded, I'm still looking forward to the map as I consider the series very original and enjoyable.

DankE_SPB
2009-07-17, 13:46
http://www.avangardaplus.ro/produse/bca.jpg
this was usually used for foundation not whole building
concrete prefabs but almost never built entirely of brick even if it was just 4 storeys high
this depends on time when it was built, houses made somewhere 50s are 4-5 storey buildings made from brick
http://sob.ru/upimg/issue/2345
http://belta.by/7days_plus.nsf/0/574DFDE4AAF34A2642257427002B35DE/$File/12.jpg

concrete prefabs are used in "khrushevka"s, they are usually 5 storey
http://www.bn.ru/uploads/2008_08/bn99_2_b.jpg

higher buildings were also usually made from prefabs
http://www.bn.ru/uploads/2008_08/bn99_korabl_b.jpg
http://al-spbphoto.narod.ru/okraina/ND-lev_Rybatckoe_devjatietazhka_26-05-2004.jpg

more modern buldings(80s, 90s and later) are made from bricks or have concrete skeleton and bricks facade
http://al-spbphoto.narod.ru/okraina/ND-lev_Rybatckoe_doma-u-Slavjanki_26-05-2004.jpg
http://al-spbphoto.narod.ru/okraina/ND-lev_Rybatckoe_Shlisselburgsky-prospekt_2-09-2003_1.jpg

here is example of WIP building, started somewhere at 2006-2007
http://cs100.vkontakte.ru/u572275/2788479/x_c4ba7b46.jpg

I'd also add that it hurts my eyes whenever I see ground level balconies but I doubt anyone here cares about my eyes so I'll just ask: would any of you want to live in an apartment with such easy outside access?
i now live in such flat and it is a block(~16-20) of such buildings, i cant see any difference between window and glassed balcony in terms of security but you're right that its very unusual here

Blade.3510
2009-07-17, 14:43
^ o.....k......

jerkzilla
2009-07-17, 19:15
this depends on time when it was built, houses made somewhere 50s are 4-5 storey buildings made from brickhttp://sob.ru/upimg/issue/2345

Haven't seen many of those, probably because blocks only started to pop up in the 70's in Romania, but if the color was similar to that in the pictures I think it'd be fine, my problem is that they're a little too dark and somewhat reminiscent of cheap British housing for workers.

Those blocks in the 5th picture are exactly what I had in mind, where you can clearly see how it was put together. I see a lot of them here in Bucharest.

And with the balconies, around here, the balcony is usually at least 1/2m above ground level and most are glassed and even backed up by a steel mesh. The way it looks in screen shots, one could just jump in.

Oh and your streets look cleaner than ours.

Montana0008
2009-07-20, 13:59
heh, gotta love soviet time flats. as I heard, they are only for 30- 50 years to live in, later, they become dangerous to live in, because they can collapse in every time.
and about map, it's good to see russian town map, it would be great if there would be teams like russian spetsnaz versus terrorists (maybe talibans, which are dressed in black ski masks and warmer or chechens).

Montana0008
2009-07-20, 14:01
oh and sorry for double post, idk how to edit.

it would be so awesome if this would be Insurgency mode and you could enter all apartments and check if there is cache.

Expendable Grunt
2009-07-20, 18:21
Great looking map. I hope it runs smoother for me than Quinling does.

M.

DankE_SPB
2009-07-20, 18:56
as I heard, they are only for 30- 50 years to live in, later, they become dangerous to live in, because they can collapse in every time.

BS, those buildings will survive longer than my grandsons lol

Montana0008
2009-07-23, 19:36
BS, those buildings will survive longer than my grandsons lol

well, one almost collapsed near my house, but people got smart and they started upgrading it. but, you live in Russia, I live in old Soviet time neiborghood, which is in Latvia, your buildings will defenetly be stronger.

sry for my english.

martin jurewicz
2009-07-27, 02:04
Nickbond592;1080828']

( 90% of the buildings in the city will be enterable )

This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQLrnN3qsDs&feature=related


i love the maps with a lot of enter able buildings soooo much funner :-D:-D

Copper.8
2009-07-27, 11:21
Looks reeeeal nice!:grin:

Dizakui
2009-07-27, 12:49
IronTaxi;1085678']Yes the maps were lent to the russians.
Does this mean that when the Russians get more maps the British will get the maps back?
Sorry for bringing this back up but I diddn't see the point in a new topic for it.

Love the look of the map, a nice big forest to fight through and then an equally nice looking city to fight in. Sounds like great fun.

TheOldBreed
2009-07-27, 22:00
reminds me a bit of Bosnia and Kosovo. cept this time, we won't decimate them with airstrikes haha

tommytgun
2009-08-08, 17:57
looks great keep up the good work.

Mad-Mike
2009-08-08, 21:57
yes! another map with a Scimitar on :D THANK YOU :-P

EnermaX
2009-08-15, 13:40
What a feeling... happy.

=(DK)=stoffen_tacticalsup
2009-08-15, 14:43
I have a warhammer 40k Imperial Guard cityfight army with its cammoflage patterns coming from that scene from Children of men :D

Adetter
2009-08-16, 19:52
What forces is going to fight against Brits?

Hulabi
2009-08-20, 14:18
O.O The best map ever, love it! Keep up the good work nick!

bearking19
2009-08-29, 10:41
Great Job there. Looks like stalingrad. Throw in some more building rubble :D

arjan
2009-08-29, 11:26
What forces is going to fight against Brits?

militia -.-

Punkbuster
2009-08-29, 12:02
What kind of vehicles will it have??

arjan
2009-08-29, 12:18
apc's and IFV's, tanks?

Since its ''mechanised infantry, you could guess by yourself, or just read the damn post

gomimin
2009-09-04, 01:41
Nickbond592;1081579']you mean like a sewer system? spanning the entire city, combining a underground netwrok, along with street level and enterable multistory buildings making 3 possible places in the same spot to have a firefight ?

you'll have to wait and see ;)


IronTaxi;1083657'] Originally Posted by [uBp]Irish
Don't care if it looks like another map or not. That's all i care about. Proper urban combat - with armor.

yeah this will be really the key to the map...not so much the rest of the map as the pure square footage of the combat area due to all the multifloored buildings and some other "areas"


*Shiver*

Nickbond592;1085500']Savage, the russians were not on the series of maps first :wink: For your information, the Maps were created with the British in mind, the Russians came after.

I think you should leave the decision of the factions to Irontaxi, myself and the other devs to decide.

Regardless of who is picked to play on the map, someone will have a hissy fit, so dont worry, sit back and if you dont like it, complain later eh ?

Copy That! Hope for Prides reskins...

Oh boy i'm really looking forward to play this over and over and under again ;-) Great!!!

Hresvelgr
2009-09-04, 02:44
Nice map, shame I can't see the vid, but I must say I'm extremely disappointed with the choice in factions. Just when it seemed we could have a wicked cool city map with Russians and Chechens all Grozny style, you just have to make a terrible faction choice. I'm also sad that the DEV's just went along with it. All the work on Russians seems to be going to waste. Their only other map where they get all their equipment is Kozelsk, and Lord knows how bad that one is. And now not only are the Brits unsatisfied with all their maps in China, Iraq, and Afghanistan, they just have to have an unrealistic one just because the DEV's are focused on the Brits and the Russians get screwed. So much for all that Russian potential.

IronTaxi
2009-09-04, 03:06
Nice map, shame I can't see the vid, but I must say I'm extremely disappointed with the choice in factions. Just when it seemed we could have a wicked cool city map with Russians and Chechens all Grozny style, you just have to make a terrible faction choice. I'm also sad that the DEV's just went along with it. All the work on Russians seems to be going to waste. Their only other map where they get all their equipment is Kozelsk, and Lord knows how bad that one is. And now not only are the Brits unsatisfied with all their maps in China, Iraq, and Afghanistan, they just have to have an unrealistic one just because the DEV's are focused on the Brits and the Russians get screwed. So much for all that Russian potential.

And then you dig a little deeper...

the russians will get their maps...we wouldnt leave them hanging dry...they were only slipped in here to give them a place to live for a while..

trust you me there are enough maps, with enough russians in the pipeline to satisfy..

myles
2009-09-04, 21:29
will the miltia be the rusin ones or IRA

Rudd
2009-09-04, 21:33
And now not only are the Brits unsatisfied

Indeed

The Brits want to take over all the maps!

The Americans don't want maps...they just want tickets

The Chinese have kept their intentions secret for now...

And the MEC are trying to sneak BMPs in to every map in PR!!

You are paranoid sir and I suggest you visit your doctor for a refil.

Dev1200
2009-09-04, 22:05
IronTaxi;1128473']And then you dig a little deeper...

the russians will get their maps...we wouldnt leave them hanging dry...they were only slipped in here to give them a place to live for a while..

trust you me there are enough maps, with enough russians in the pipeline to satisfy..


The russian faction will only fully satisfy me when they have hinds..

Brb, timetravel time to .9 :3

Don177
2009-09-07, 22:22
Quite nice :-) So many arias to snipe from >:)

-.-Maverick-.-
2009-09-08, 00:11
WOOOW cant wait to play this, looks AWESOME, keep up the great work.

major sharpe
2009-09-27, 03:10
looks like this one's going to be alot of fun

LechHools
2009-09-27, 11:26
nice map love it !!! :-D

Chilidrew
2009-09-27, 17:44
Nice map looks great.

Snyltebiter
2009-10-19, 14:26
Will it be possible to shoot RPGs from windows without blowing up the room you're standing in?

AquaticPenguin
2009-10-19, 16:43
Will it be possible to shoot RPGs from windows without blowing up the room you're standing in?

Bare in mind the rpg is quite dangerous to fire in a room in real-life due to the back blast

Map looks good... <3 the brits

Snyltebiter
2009-10-20, 05:04
Yeah, you're right, but now it's possible if the window is big enough.

-=ThorSteinar=-
2009-10-20, 22:45
I am interested to see how the wood area looks now with less trees

Sgt.S.Hope
2009-10-22, 03:01
:-o definitely going to be one of my favorites, gj