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"SJT"
2009-04-14, 02:06
(Ya I know it's a lot to read, the story is at the top and my suggestions/dreams at the bottom)


So I'm playing on UKWF server. Which is going down in my books.

On Muttrah City is it called? We are USA.

Squad leader makes a heli squad. about 4 people to start. and 4 choppers. makes sense. all is well.

Since you cannot lock or kick people from squads in this server people join and grab pilot kits. People that have just joined and not been here at the start of the round grab choppers. Worst is they crash them.

We then have a 6 man squad. All is well since 2 have gone as (air crewmen) to give the helis a little firepower with AR kit.

Then this total retard. "Shootertix" I think his name was. joins about 3/4 of the way into the game and makes his own heli squad and takes a chopper. Which makes no sense since there is one and he could be used somewhere else, we have pilots and he would not be able to communicate with Squad leader who is setting down markers.

The whole last part of the round I was talking to this guy, well trying because he is to retarded. Telling him that there is a heli squad, you will be more usefull as infantry.

Me
Why have you made another heli squad, there is already one.

Quote from shooter.
Because you suck.

Well in 5 seconds of joining how has he made that assumption?

I just don't get this. Why are people like this allowed near anything electronic or anything at all.



What I would LOVE to see. (This may also fall under suggestion threads)

Is something that is faggot proof. Such as the squad creation menu modded to only allow one heli squad. And in that squad only the pilot kits are available.

A long shot but it would defiantly help the whole. "I have been waiting for this chopper, and your not in the chopper squad" (X was team killed by Noob). Situation.

Of course people would fight over who makes the chopper squad and who joins.

I can dream of a flight time rank system. The more flight hours you have, the most likely chance you will have at being or creating a chopper squad. Same for log trucks, tanks etc.

To gain these hours you must go onto a training server for helis/jets

^ Thats Reality for you.


Of course people will try to idle to gain hours but surely a simple idle limit can sort that out.


I think it is a brilliant idea. No clue if it is possible or not.

But if you want reality. Thats reality.

waldo_ii
2009-04-14, 02:18
http://meow.catsplz.com/cats/pictures/234/I-see-what-you-did-there.jpg

You secretly snuck a suggestion into an AAR so you could put it here and avoid the unforgivable wrath of Tirak (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/members/22085.html)



Tricky tricky...

"SJT"
2009-04-14, 02:57
Noooo.

i just thought while I'm having a rant I may as well make it 1 thread rather than 2.

Welshboy
2009-04-14, 03:21
I was in that round, was full of tards. I was your squad at the start which was HUEY/COBRA. There was a lot of chatter so me and another person made our own squad as it would have been hard to communicate with each other. But within a few minutes we were shot down instantly by a hat. (Ludacris:duh:)

After waiting 20 minutes for the next cobra to spawn, a guy joins the squad (can't remember his name) with a HAT and teamkills me and the gunner in the cobra before it could take off. Shortly after I had enough and left the server.

So a hour of my night wasted because some tard who thought it would be fun to get a errection by teamkilling the cobra.


Meh

(HUN)Rud3bwoy
2009-04-14, 05:16
As far as I know there is no method to tell the good pilots from the bad ones until the damage is already done. Welcome to the internet, where any sociopath douchebag can roam free :D
The only way to manage is to:
1. Suck it up and take the lift whoever the pilot is.
2. Take transport only if you KNOW the guy flying it is good at it.
(alternatively 3. Train hard and be the master of heli yourself :) )

P.S.: Dont forget that even the best pilots can have a bad day, so if you get in a heli and you crash, yelling "WTF noob?!!" wont help anything it will only make the pilot angry(or make him smile if he is a smacktard). Of couse in the case you told us, it is obvious what kind of player you wre dealing with :)

arthuro12
2009-04-14, 08:34
Oh i ''F'ing'' hate people who b*tch about how you crashed a chopper.. they go all ''OMG NOOB< F@GGHOT'' .. geez, i'm a good pilot and know my stuff.. but that just pisses me off.. i once got kicked from a squad and then TK'ed because i got hit by an AA that wasent suposed to be there.. GRRR

Alex6714
2009-04-14, 09:47
Solution = good server admins.

"SJT"
2009-04-14, 18:57
exactly. What else can you do against AA? Flares and move.

The ground forces need to take the AA out. So in theory, they are the noobs.


One server I play on is a USA one. But the admins there just make there own heli squad and lock it only to allow there clan members in.

And I haven't seen a UKWF guy admin yet.

Ghost1800
2009-04-14, 19:27
I think I was playing in the same server as you last night. We saw the guy who TK'd the cobra and then we had some idiot attempt to TK my squad's APC with a HAT once and Combat Engineer several times by laying explosives all over the repair depot. The next round wasn't any better, we had idiots spawning on caches and then molotoving them after a sufficient amount of people spawned there. Not a single admin in sight.

FuzzySquirrel
2009-04-14, 21:42
exactly. What else can you do against AA? Flares and move.

The ground forces need to take the AA out. So in theory, they are the noobs.


One server I play on is a USA one. But the admins there just make there own heli squad and lock it only to allow there clan members in.

And I haven't seen a UKWF guy admin yet.

Tbh, Calling someone a noob doesn't prove anything. Ground forces don't always have the AA in their sights. That doesn't exactly make them a noob. Avoiding AA is mainly the Pilots responsibility. And tbh (sorry UKWF) It seems the UKWF Server attracts alot of Smacktards without alot of admins.


And I dont wana hear a reply like "Do you even know how to fly?!?!?" because I'd consider myself a pretty good pilot :D.

p.s ye good idea with the suggestion :D because Tirak is a thread locking machine...

"SJT"
2009-04-14, 22:26
Well I wasn't calling ground forces noobs. I was stating the fact that many of them don't understand how hard it is for pilots to get soldiers exactly where they want them in one piece. and as soon as something doesn't go the soldiers way. such as a course change or a new LZ. People start whining.

What annoys me even more is when people just sit in the heli thinking you can read minds and know where to take them, without saying anything.

P.S if Tirak gets a bonner over locking threads he can I don't care.

McBumLuv
2009-04-14, 23:05
P.S if Tirak gets a bonner over locking threads he can I don't care.

Sigged :D

FuzzySquirrel
2009-04-14, 23:21
Well I wasn't calling ground forces noobs. I was stating the fact that many of them don't understand how hard it is for pilots to get soldiers exactly where they want them in one piece. and as soon as something doesn't go the soldiers way. such as a course change or a new LZ. People start whining.

What annoys me even more is when people just sit in the heli thinking you can read minds and know where to take them, without saying anything.

P.S if Tirak gets a bonner over locking threads he can I don't care.

Yea.


p.s McLuv. everyone always takes the good quotes for their sigs...Leaving me with Crap. Quick someone say something witty and funny.

JohnTheRipper
2009-04-14, 23:36
I have had to kill pilots and crewman to prevent them from wasting a vehicle before.

Also some pilots don't listen to like when i want to be dropped away from a cache instead of on it which keeps the helo and me safe, plus only makes sneaking into the area easier.

Alex6714
2009-04-14, 23:41
What is wasting a vehicle? I was accused of wasting a huey on muttrah not long ago.

I was actually scouting for the cobra and leading in attack runs with flares because the ground forces failed and there was also no one to transport.

I would rather waste 10 tickets worth of huey than 10 tickets worth of cobra.

It worked very well and very little wasting was actually going on.

Edit: Its actually better than a spotter with a slow sticky box.

I can see more from above, know perfectly is there is aa around and possibly find it, and defend the cobra itself with my flares.

JohnTheRipper
2009-04-15, 00:14
What is wasting a vehicle? I was accused of wasting a huey on muttrah not long ago.

I was actually scouting for the cobra and leading in attack runs with flares because the ground forces failed and there was also no one to transport.

I would rather waste 10 tickets worth of huey than 10 tickets worth of cobra.

It worked very well and very little wasting was actually going on.

Edit: Its actually better than a spotter with a slow sticky box.

I can see more from above, know perfectly is there is aa around and possibly find it, and defend the cobra itself with my flares.

when i mean waste i mean like take it and end up destroying it without using it to help the team any way. like taking a huey then crashing it or a tank and one manning it. stupid things like that.

But what you did was smart, i have tried doing that before in muttrah with my LB but was unable to because those brdm-2's are Supper AA weapons. plus i was using my Lb to anger the enemy ground forces by flying at them turning last second or flying around them trying to make them stop and use they rifles on me or even cause the AA to waste it's 2 rounds before that long reload.

Rissien
2009-04-15, 01:36
Well you can even tell the good pilots from the bad from their first few seconds in the air, and especially when landing. Ive seen people cry about not being let into helo squads when the squad already had enough people in it to fly all the choppers and then turn around and steal it for themselves only to lose it as soon as they got close to the mainland/island. People who flip on take off, etc.

Last night I had someone that had been jumping around on top of landed choppers or standing under/in front of them before finally joining the squad. There was no cobra squad when it spawned *for the third time* so we considered using it since our squad leader was out sniping anyways. He took the cobra and attempted to solo it before i told him in voip to bring it back and wait for a gunner. He came back and landed, bout a minute afterwards he nearly tipped it over just idling on the deck. He got out before it did and saved it but from how he already flew plus his previous actions i told him not to get in it again. He did f course and decided to lift ff and land inches from my huey before attempting to turn his tail rotor into me. I lifted off barely in time to avoid destruction and kicked him before he could cause any more damage. Cobra was saved and it remained on the carrier untill we lost the round.

I am a good pilot, *with Hueys, I refuse to touch a Blackhawk and even though I can fly/land them I just hate landing in Littlebirds* not the best but i take pride in the times where I hardly get shot down. Like Alex ive risked my Hueys many times on recon runs, just flying low, slowly moving over rooftops, fast flybys to get intell on fobs, infantry, apcs, for the ground forces. Once I followed the Cobra in that was going to take out an aa and its conjoining fob. I flew a little further behind and above it, just dropping flares slowly to keep any aa from locking onto the cobra while it did its job. Rather get my chopper hit than the Cobra,

"SJT"
2009-04-15, 02:04
I never see teamwork like that. A chopper being covered by a lower value one.

All I see is the nearest people to the choppers getting pilot kits when they are not in a certain squad.

Some servers are smart enough to have a rule on that. Others are not so smart. Saying squad names do not mean priority..... So basically I may as well go play on BF2 normal noob public???

Funny thing is the server I was playing on was called is Tatics and teamwork. I think they need a name change. At least they kick for TK. Just had to find that out for myself.
(Sorry if anyone is a clan member there or loves it to pieces but I really don't care)

Imo every time there is any flying vehicle on a map, most people turn retarded. One of the down falls of PR.
Unless by some miracle there are mature people on the server that respect squad names and assets and everyone gets along.


PS. I think the Little birds are the best choppers for picking up and dropping people off, when not flown by complete incompetitent morons.


@ElvishKnight - I play on your server quite often. It's good. Even with my ping off 100+

Ghost1800
2009-04-15, 02:16
Every time there is any flying vehicle on a map, most people turn retarded.

Sigged for truth. First one I've had on this forum too.

"SJT"
2009-04-15, 02:18
Ha. First proper post on these forums and I already have 2 people quoting me. 8)




Very true though. You play a map with just light trucks and jeeps you have a very fun and tactical game. As soon as air units are available people start taking kits going of in the chopper, crashing it. then the whole round is just keyboard mashing. and the team without choppers wins.

Great when admins do f*ck all. Just makes project reality. All that more realistic.

problem is online you will never get rid of all those morons, You just need to be on a anti-moron server with anti-moron admins that are not morons themselves.


I find it funny that people take the time to download and install this huge game just to f*ck it up for everyone else. Tell you what, people need a life.

So sick of BF2142. Hope one day my clan will get a PR server.

CrashNemesisII
2009-04-15, 07:55
I was in that round too, eventually i decided to have my Squad spawn on the firebase and for some km dashes cause I didn't know which pilot to trust anymore.

Welshboy
2009-04-15, 14:26
Funny thing is the server I was playing on was called is Tatics and teamwork. I think they need a name change. At least they kick for TK. Just had to find that out for myself.
(Sorry if anyone is a clan member there or loves it to pieces but I really don't care)



I was in that match of Ejod and the US side was a mess. It doesn't mean that the server is shit. All servers have their bad days.

MrSh@vid
2009-04-15, 21:05
Just to clarify, if you make the First "Chopper Trans//etc. Sqd" Then the Choppers are for your squad, you can Lock and kick people from the squad if you wish to , However we won't appreciate 1 man locked Chopper squads on a map with half a dozen choppers etc.
Unfortuanlly i think the time in question was when our admins where in bed (Need my beauty Sleep :)), However please report any incidents by typing !r in Global chat and Reporting incidents, and we will try and deal with it if we are on. As we are a UK clan in the wee hours their is not always someone on so i apologise for this, However Generally between 7am-1am their will be admins around.

"SJT"
2009-04-15, 21:13
That's nice. No idea who your are representing though.

Oh nvm. Checked out profile. UKWF.

If i'm correct. We cannot kick and lock squads on UKWF server. Or has it been changed?


It's understandable when on late hours but during normal hours there never seems to be someone on with admin powers. Many UKWF people on, no admin.

Nothing personal to UKWF or any clan really. Just heli trans squads, need admins to listen(read) what people are saying about faggots taking the chopper and wasting it, need actions from admins. Ideally before the heli gets airborne and wasted. Only a kick, they can rejoin no harm done.

See so many times on PR and other games. Such as my clan on BF2142. Warning just doesn't cut it.




And what is with that !r thing. What does it do? Seen people do it but didn't take any notice. Can't you just tell the admins or must you type !r?

MrSh@vid
2009-04-15, 21:23
That's nice. No idea who your are representing though.

Oh nvm. Checked out profile. UKWF.


It's understandable when on late hours but during normal hours there never seems to be someone on with admin powers. Many UKWF people on, no admin.





And what is with that !r thing. What does it do? Seen people do it but didn't take any notice. Can't you just tell the admins or must you type !r?


Sure can tell us, !R is designed just so we no specifically your reporting someone, a lot of the time people will go, "KICK HIM"-without informing us what's going on, Then as soon as we switch to see whats going on get accused of cheating, so anyway you can help us by reporting Incidents is appreciated.

MrSh@vid
2009-04-15, 21:29
That's nice. No idea who your are representing though.

Oh nvm. Checked out profile. UKWF.

If i'm correct. We cannot kick and lock squads on UKWF server. Or has it been changed?


It's understandable when on late hours but during normal hours there never seems to be someone on with admin powers. Many UKWF people on, no admin.

Nothing personal to UKWF or any clan really. Just heli trans squads, need admins to listen(read) what people are saying about faggots taking the chopper and wasting it, need actions from admins. Ideally before the heli gets airborne and wasted. Only a kick, they can rejoin no harm done.

See so many times on PR and other games. Such as my clan on BF2142. Warning just doesn't cut it.




Admins are not marked out from the rest. However all players should be able to contact an admin through Ventrilo, We will read what your're you saying, just specificy whats going on in global chat and it will be dealt with Asap, if not please send me a pm here or post on our site (UK Warfare [UKWF] Clan website (http://www.ukwarfare.co.uk)) we have a list of players that will be insta-banned on their next server returned that where reported by the public. If a player is kicked, then comes back and repeats the offence (if its serious enough) then he will be banned.
Regarding Locked Squads, we have never had a rule Against Locked Squads, however theirs a few exceptions where you will be asked to open, If their is 8 apc squads on Kashan Desert, and it would be pref' to merge them, or if on a map like Muttrah City, The Transport Chopper Squad is a 1man locked Squad.
Kicking Players from Squads is down to the Squad leader's Discretion.
Players from the evening your referring to have had their names noted after being reported by a Public player, Unfortuanlly several griefers had decided it was a good evening to rally the troops and enter our server.

MrSh@vid
2009-04-15, 21:47
. And tbh (sorry UKWF) It seems the UKWF Server attracts alot of Smacktards without alot of admins.

Our server is only a few months old so we have yet to fill up our ban list.

"SJT"
2009-04-15, 22:30
Sorry MrSh@vid I seem to have miss wrote a few things.

I didn't mean your admins don't allow locked squads or kicking, but I was on a server in a heli squad with my squad leader unable to lock and kick people. Haven't tired it out myself yet but thats what he was saying.

MrSh@vid
2009-04-16, 10:07
Best course of action in this case would be to kick said members from the squad, then report them in global chat, and if that had no affect to note down their names and report them on our website (or pm'ing me here).

Narco
2009-04-16, 18:47
Haha, SJT, you remember me?

We played on Jabal this morning, you joined when there were only about 5 of us on the server.

"SJT"
2009-04-17, 07:40
Yeah man.

Thought it would be easy just 5 v 5 ish. Then it turned out to be a 32 v 32 in about 10 mins. Crazy.

Gracler
2009-04-21, 07:37
Hopefully some day in Project Reality we could have some sort of "Squad Creator" system. Like with the commander in bf2 people sign up with there role and then they get options of which Squads they are alloved to join into with there role.

As it is today with VOIP in bf2/PR i don't always agree that Pure pilot squads...pure armor squads is a good idea.

For example the Little Bird transport has 5 seats (6 with the pilot) ofcourse. This means that this helicopter is useless if any full infantry squad asks for a pickup since all can't fit in.


Now for my latest expirence on a USA server i was in a squad with a very energetic squadleader that had a good sence of tactical awareness. He had a very detailed plan about how to place his squadmembers for defence of Muttrah city and made it clear that we had to all get into position really quick, so i got a pilot kit and a Littlebird.

The squadleader talked all the time on VOIP guiding me where to land ect, and told me to put the sniper on the mountainside for oversight, so i did.

Meanwhile i was getting alot of hasstle from a admin telling me to get my ass into the HEUY/Supply squad since i was a pilot, so i had to explain him over and over that im in a little bird NOT able to supply and that i was following orders from the squadleader.

Imagine this if i was in the HEUY/SUPPLY squad then i would'nt have voice contact with the SL on the ground that guided me to exact locations ( not just Grid markers) and warned me when enemys where near, and i was able to move his Sniper and talk to the sniper if i had to abort my aproch. Ofcourse you could say that Mumble/teamspeak/ventrilo should have been used.....but it wasnt and it rarely is used by all on public servers so it would never work properly untill mumble is integrated 100% into PR wich i hope will happen eventualy.

Besides that map has 4 heuy's (if im not mistaken) so since im giving 1 squad most of my attention instead of sitting and waiting on the carrier for the hueys to be shot down, then i would doubt that the last hueys coudnt take care of 1 or 2 other squads in the city that may need transport. Its not like i coudnt transport anyone else... i did transport another blue sniper since sniper transport seems to be the only purpose for a LB that can't store a full squad.

You could also say that since im a pilot in a "firebase" squad im stealing an inf spot......well since im in direct contact with a SL and know whats going on on the ground Realtime then im feeling more safe than i would be with 6 people with high pitched rotor engine sound in there ears proberly waiting on a carrier.


the way i see it.... Littlebirds belong with the infantry not with the Air train since it cannot carry a full squad anyway and there is nearly always bigger helicopters to carry full squads + Supply. Its like a Humwee that can fly.....nobody makes a specific squad to drive a humwee either!!!.


Squad Exampels.

Recon squad.
Officer
Medic
Rifleman
Rifleman
Sniper
Little-bird Pilot


2xArmour squad ( 2 armored Vehicels should be Maximum per squad of 6)

Officer-50cal gunner1 + Spotter
Crewman-Driver1
Crewman-Maingun1
Combat Engineer-50cal gunner2 + Supply truck driver
Crewman-Driver2
Crewman-Maingun2

Pilot squad

Heuy Pilot 1 or Officer that can spot for Apache!
Heuy Pilot 2
Heuy Pilot 3
Heuy Pilot 4
Apache Pilot
Apache Gunner

"SJT"
2009-04-21, 20:17
I do agree with you there when you say LB belong with the infantry.

I was flying a LB for a sniper team, getting them in the areas unavaible to ground forces and by being in there squad I could insert and extract them easy without any hassle to keep up with the action.

The only problem is not the distribution of helicopters within the game. It's random people thinking they can just take a heli a fly off not doing anything with it and dieing costing tickets and whining that the heli squad is full so that is why they are taking the chopper.

Well the heli squad is full for a reason. We have enough pilots.

Gracler
2009-04-22, 02:22
Everyone should have equal oportunity to become a pilot though in the beginning.

I often see that 1 guy quickly create a locked squad and start inviting his closests friends, and then afterwards he starts whining about others creating pilot squads and capping assests. to me thats a childish behavior that you don't want to share with others. Playing on a public server you should't try to prevent the public but you could instead ask if they would let you use it with your friends if thats what you wanna do.

Should be fair game joining the first pilot squad made, so people can join in and withing the squad people take numbers or wait for there own air asset to spawn. Depending on the map there should only be 1 designated transport squad though.If there is too few helis then you can be set off somewhere and monitor the area for AA emplacements and tell the other pilots directly.

Even a Apache squad should never be locked at 2 people....most important thing for the gunship is to have a spotter on the ground who can give you fresh intel! so id say a gunship squad should be 3 minimum.... when the chopper blow up the roles could switch....the guy on the ground become the pilot next time. Also little birds could come in handy here to be decoys deploying flares and then the apache have the overwatch looking for AA rockets directions to engage!! Littlebird can evade AA rockets quite easily if they are expected so it woudnt be a waste with the right pilot!

The server rule to forbid locked squads is good since it makes it abit easier for others to join in and if the pilot is not qualified he should be told to leave the squad.......and if he is wasting assets on purpose he should be kicked ofc.


Too often the US forces lose because 3-4 pilots demand to be the only pilots the entire round and they keep making the same mistakes when aproching the hot zones getting shot down and then they wait for the next chopper to spawn and threatining others that may try to steal it from them.....

If there is 2 helicopters and 6 people in the squad that has to share the helicopter then the chance that one of those pilots are good and will make a good effort to keep his helicopter in one piece better since he know that when he crash...someone else will get it untill he crash.

So instead of having 2 pilots crash 3 helicopter each 6 people have there chance to crash 1 helicopter each.

When passangers tell the pilot............please land me in the middle of that minefield with 6 AA guns ........... then perhaps the pilot would reconsider and thereby saving his heli and the team tickets.
On the other hand (in a locked pilot squad) he wouldnt have to worrie 1 secounds about beeing blown up 10 times since he was in a locked pilot squad and had the "admins" permission to fly forever and could go make some coffee every time he crashed.

Welshboy
2009-04-22, 06:55
Pilot squad

Heuy Pilot 1 or Officer that can spot for Apache!
Heuy Pilot 2
Heuy Pilot 3
Heuy Pilot 4
Apache Pilot
Apache Gunner

You don't want to have the attack helo with the transport choppers, the voice coms turns to clusterf*ck and the gunner and pilot can't hear each other

Gracler
2009-04-22, 18:15
You don't want to have the attack helo with the transport choppers, the voice coms turns to clusterf*ck and the gunner and pilot can't hear each other

Good point... proberly a bad idea having the regular pilots with the combat pilots, if the players in the squad don't keep chatter to a minimum.

When im piloting a transport i don't use voice much unless if its absolutly nessasery like telling where i got attacked by AA from ect. and that would also be useful for the Gunship to listen to, but i guess on public servers it can often end up in an endless chatter about........im going that way..your going that way ect.

The ingame commands are often enough for that though if people would pay attention to it.

Requesting supply drop!!
affermative a vehicle is on its way!

and troop would use text to tell where they want to be dropped off!

Still its very useful having a man on the ground to tell whats going on realtime.


The man on the ground using a sniper kit or officer and telling where it would be safe to attack and the gunner telling his pilot if he spots something.

.:iGi.M.Regan
2009-04-24, 23:50
Good point... proberly a bad idea having the regular pilots with the combat pilots, whoa whoa whoa a sec... "A bad idea haveing regular pilots with combat pilots," theres a differance O.o? They are all in a war zone, and always have somekind of fire power weather it be the BH with the door guns or a LB with the squad being transported with there rifles... ALL aircraft have somekind of firepower and thus... Combat aircraft with Combat Pilots :)

(I <3 spliting hairs, sorry but i felt the need to speak up)

Cheditor
2009-04-25, 10:45
Hate when people make a second assest squad when there arent any left. Just wastes assets and squad spaces.