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Wags
2009-04-10, 08:41
I was playing a game today, I was the Squad leader and I had a full squad. Usually that's good, but my entire squad was filled with bad-mouthed smart a$$es who were too lazy to even acknowledge my commands.First, I asked certain people to get certain kits (assigned Medic and such), and they did not do that. They would rather complain about why the sniper kit is unavailable. I would give commands, and not only would they not follow the command, they wouldn't even acknowledge it. It was literally,"We're moving to defend, here!"..............[silence]. The only time they did speak is when they had something negative to say, like,"Sh!t, they are f*cking hacks!" Then they would gripe and whine about how much our team sucks, when they are not doing anything to help. We ended up losing the match because they wouldn't listen to my commands (our task was probably one the more important ones).

How do I deal with a squad like this? let's say I have to stay with them, what do I do?

DankE_SPB
2009-04-10, 08:46
kick button is your best friend, better stay alone than be in such squad or lead it

Portable.Cougar
2009-04-10, 09:11
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders

J.Baal
2009-04-10, 09:47
Going to have to disagree portable
I love playing project reality because I know when I log on, Everyones professional, And everyones friendly, When stuff like this happens, It destroys the game, Were taking this blokes word for it, And I believe him, I've been in my fair share of terrible squads, There are no bad squad leaders, Because a Squad Leader knows what he's doing when he clicks 'Create'

With crap like that mate
Tell em to piss off, Plain and simple, Don't let idiots who don't understand and refuse to understand the complexity of PR to ruin the game

PFunk
2009-04-10, 17:18
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders

I'd say 'that only applies to real life' but then my fit healthy muscular 20 year old cousin was denied entry into the Canadian forces... something to do with his psych profile I think.

Point is, squad members can in fact be bad. Like when last night I was trying to just take a minute to teach some people what to do, or I should say how I wanted them to do it and a guy joined who refused to say ANYTHING to me. I kicked him and he rejoins saying 'stop kicking me you jerk'. I try to tell him he can stay if he just stays with the group, still no answer. Kick again, keeps coming back this time saying that he's complaining to admin and sending my name and a screen etc etc.

Then I crashed to desktop and apparently people in mumble said my entire squad disappeared... just me... maybe he was hacking... I dunno.

Point is... this guy was a douche! I couldn't even kick him apparently. I was as reasonable as was necessary and then some.

Then there was the other guy in the squad at that time who didn't speak english... I thought. He wouldn't answer me in either chat or voip, and would just immediately run to any marker I put down regardless of what we were doing. Later I saw him typing in chat in perfect english....

It is possible to have crap squad members imho. But many can be turned to be good.

Rudd
2009-04-10, 17:28
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders

Incorrect in this game

some people just can't follow simple instuctions, "get down" "hold fire" "give ammo to the at" or whatever.

e.g. I was on Kufrah and I told my squad to take cover in the buildings to hide from an enemy APC, I said I was gonna climb up on a pipe to give the location of the APC to teh commander.

I climb up, then I look behind me.

MY ENTIRE SQUAD WAS ON THE PIPE BEHIND ME.

I repeated my simple instructions. They sat there gawping at me.

after about 20mins of these repeated incidences, and me getting very annoyed at 2 of the squad members who clearly wanted to lead the squad, while being lonewolves I decided the round was a bust, said goodbye and jumped ship.

Razick
2009-04-10, 20:12
I dont know why people are so patient with others in the pubs, I kick without hesitation. If the whole squad is mouthing off and disregarding orders then I guess your just gonna have to kick them all out. Only focus and tolerate on the teamplayers and let the rest join the crappy squad.

503
2009-04-10, 21:28
Just kick them without hesitation. Simple as that.

Tartantyco
2009-04-10, 21:48
-A quality that many people lack is an awareness of their surroundings and the current situation. Today I was SL'ing on Korengal and my squad would constantly bunch up around markers as if they were relying on each others' body heat to survive, then a single insurgent took out four of my guys because they were standing around like idiots doing whatever, and when they respawned they apparently thought it wise to not follow the route we just took back to my position but instead go spelunking. While trying to regroup my squad I had my Specialist throw down a grapple so that the last guy could get to our position and informing him of this(and the rest of the squad by doing so) and when that grapple was thrown they all just ran at the grapple and started descending the rope. In the end I just kicked them all and disbanded the squad, I'm not going to waste my time herding these people(PiratHenk was the only competent SM, in case he reads this).

MastaLock
2009-04-12, 01:01
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders

^LOL

Unfortunately, everyone already beat me to it. Just give them about 30 seconds to acknowledge you, get their sh!t right, or boot them out. Easy-peasy.

Aliblista
2009-04-12, 01:25
There are no bad squad leaders, Because a Squad Leader knows what he's doing when he clicks 'Create'

hmmm no, not really....in fact it goes both ways. Before ive joined a squad where the sl has created say 'Engvoip' cos he knows its popular so he can run off and grab his sniper kit and leave. Similarly i have seen peeps create squads and try and sl without a mic or any kind of communication at all, which is frankly ridiculous.
Having said that its not all bad and there are good squad leaders, lately i have been frequenting the RIP server for that very reason as very often members of their clan will provide excellent sl's or squad members for myself to lead...cookies for that :mrgreen:

Aliblista
2009-04-12, 01:34
Because a Squad Leader knows what he's doing when he clicks 'Create'

hmmm no, not really....in fact it goes both ways. Before ive joined a squad where the sl has created say 'Engvoip' cos he knows its popular so he can run off and grab his sniper kit and leave. Similarly i have seen peeps create squads and try and sl without a mic or any kind of communication at all, which is frankly ridiculous.
Having said that its not all bad and there are good squad leaders, lately i have been frequenting the RIP server for that very reason as very often members of their clan will provide excellent sl's or squad members for myself to lead...cookies for that :mrgreen:

RandomUserABC
2009-06-28, 17:27
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Jazz
2009-06-28, 18:29
My ground rules are:

If they are far away from the squad (and make no effort to regroup) they get kicked.

If they grab the sniper kit they get kicked.

If they are in any other way destructive to the goal/well-being of the squad they will eventually be kicked.

I try to be lenient, but when I have my AR guy constantly going rambo, engaging enemies when we are trying to move undetected, I draw the line.

Psyko
2009-06-28, 19:08
you gotta be assertive. kick one of the biggest retards out of the squad and tell the rest to follow you or leave the squad. it can go good or bad, if it goes good, they will ask try and comply, and if it goes bad the worst that will happen is they give out and maybe TK you, in which case they dont deserve your company and your can tell the server admin that there are mindless primates ruining the game.

You dont have to be the best motivational speaker, but yea i gotta agree with the guys above. when it comes down to it, theres always the kick and lock methods. its part of PR im afraid, there are quiet people, noisy people, and rude people. and when theres an irritating butt-munch in your squad, you gotta kick him. :)

Liam[EEF]
2009-06-28, 19:08
i remember sling on operation archer as the taliban and we were holding a cashe. I dont like snipers in the squad because they should be in a diff one with a spotter working with all squads not just one, so when a squaddie gets a sniper kit and refuses to drop it, i kick him and he comes back in with a jumped up attitude, i kick him again and 5 minutes later he tks me, then 2 minutes after that he shot me with an american kit in my hands. People like this ruin pr and thankfully server admins deal with them harshly (this guy got him self a perma.)

and jazz i follow similar rules to yours. Also has any one had the experiance where you are trying to get your guys to fire and manouver (couple shoot couple move then swap etc) and you can just tell their looking at their screens blankly.

sakils2
2009-06-28, 19:36
Kick and report. If he/they come back, lock the squad and kick him/them.

Danger_6
2009-08-30, 21:27
in cases like these i advise joining a new squad. for two reasons:

1: you might know one of the squad leaders, and he usually attracts the good players when playing

2: you can annoy some 1 in turn ( no disregard that, that is not the PR ethos at all)

2: maybe you can learn something new about ways communicating with people. I am in the cadets and i find since people don't have their income from the armed forces they can muck around despite the fact that you are a good squad leader. Shouting at them will only work if you are a sergeant in that case. But if not ( this refers to PR) try and use communication skills to get them to do your bidding. Maybe you might be treating your squad how you wouldn't like to be treated, if you come across a squad leader who is being lippy for all the wrong reasons himself try and learn from that. I do not doubt your knowledge of leading a squad at all.

If that is not the case at all, and you have tried being calm and assertive just tell them to .... off =]

goguapsy
2009-09-09, 00:55
send em' to court martial (kick).

I have lost counts of when I made my own squad halfway through the game and it got booked very very quick after a second person joined. New squads are specially easier now that you only need 1 Squad Member to do rallys and get limited kits.

HAAN4
2010-02-01, 18:58
I was playing a game today, I was the Squad leader and I had a full squad. Usually that's good, but my entire squad was filled with bad-mouthed smart a$$es who were too lazy to even acknowledge my commands.First, I asked certain people to get certain kits (assigned Medic and such), and they did not do that. They would rather complain about why the sniper kit is unavailable. I would give commands, and not only would they not follow the command, they wouldn't even acknowledge it. It was literally,"We're moving to defend, here!"..............[silence]. The only time they did speak is when they had something negative to say, like,"Sh!t, they are f*cking hacks!" Then they would gripe and whine about how much our team sucks, when they are not doing anything to help. We ended up losing the match because they wouldn't listen to my commands (our task was probably one the more important ones).

How do I deal with a squad like this? let's say I have to stay with them, what do I do?

How to deal whicht thigns like that?

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Captam nacimento kwon how deal whicht those punks.

Click
2010-02-01, 19:24
You could have kicked them out of your squad or let them get the kits they want and play that way while trying to say on the same objective.

BrownBadger
2010-02-04, 11:22
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders

We both know that's not true ;)

Generally though, yes.

Shooter90
2010-02-04, 11:39
My solution...reward the good, remove the bad.

Example being good players can be appointed as a 2nd in-command which comes in handy when it comes to maneuvering. Bad player are removed from squad or warned of their actions.

Locking your squad and inviting those you have observed to hold the team at a higher value or would like to participate in squad operations. Either they wish to join you or you observe them would be a good way to tell if that person is suitable to be a squad.

Once again, PR is not E for everyone. Either play in a team or go back to nade spamming on vBF.

mosinmatt
2010-02-06, 06:41
I wear a clan tag, a respected one. So I usually attract some good people to my squads. I have actually only recently been going SL. I learned as I played. Now I use what I learned to lead my squad.
It almost seems like i have a regular squad now. A lot of the same people. If there is someone acting like an @$$hat or a smurf, they get da B00t
If someone is new and willing to learn, I will let them in and work with them. Had that today on Gazza. Guy was new to PR, so I lead him around in my style of gaming, and taught him a bit about insurgency game mode. Too bad the server was horrible...and FULL of asshat smurfs.

Portable.Cougar
2010-02-21, 22:15
I still stand by that a good SL can take any 5 toothless redneck troops and get them working togther. To me that is what makes a good SL

The second that you start to blame your SQ members you have failed. Positve reinforcemnt is key to getting everyone on the same page.

Pariel
2010-02-21, 23:06
I still stand by that a good SL can take any 5 toothless redneck troops and get them working togther. To me that is what makes a good SL

The second that you start to blame your SQ members you have failed. Positve reinforcemnt is key to getting everyone on the same page.

When squad members walk off after repeatedly being told not to, grab kits you specifically told them not to take, or don't communicate, they're bad squad members. I find this to be the biggest problem with squad members who don't have very good English skills. Then again, I've played with some people who I can barely communicate with, yet because they and I tried (I can come up with a tiny bit of Spanish, some Portuguese, and yeah, that's it. Oh, I can say "neun") to communicate, we've killed the guys in front of us and generally gone on our separate ways, since we both probably prefer not to spend the whole game being confused by different languages.

I would say 90% of the time I'm squad leader, it's because I was there when the round started. I rarely grab SL unless there are no good squads mid-round.

The second biggest problem I have with squad members (other than not following orders) is ones who don't communicate. I don't care if you're typing (although I definitely prefer in-game VOIP or Mumble), you better be telling the squad what you're seeing, where it is, who you're shooting, why you're shooting, where you're moving, etc.

Communication is the key to any squad. I will kick members without VOIP who aren't typing a lot, and members with VOIP who don't communicate. I don't care if people are talking about non-game stuff while we're not in combat, as long as they're relaying information to the squad once we're in contact. Simple as that -- communication makes or breaks any squad.

Portable.Cougar
2010-02-22, 02:39
give a man a fish he eats for a day

teach him to fish hes full for a lifetime.

Kick them from your squad and they will never learn and become someone elses problem

Keep them with you and they could turn into a better player than you ever imagined.

killonsight95
2010-02-22, 17:13
give a man a fish he eats for a day

teach him to fish hes full for a lifetime.

Kick them from your squad and they will never learn and become someone elses problem

Keep them with you and they could turn into a better player than you ever imagined.

yeah but the problem is whne they don't want to learn its like teaching a builder how to fish

Wo0Do0
2010-04-16, 04:30
DankE_SPB;987957']kick button is your best friend, better stay alone than be in such squad or lead it

sometimes working with tards is better than stalking through the city yourself, although you do have a good point.

Wags
2010-04-16, 09:41
sometimes working with tards is better than stalking through the city yourself, although you do have a good point.

More or less. I've been pretty successful just lone-wolfing it sometimes. Sometimes maps require complete and total teamwork based/cohesive game play, but others, it doesn't impact too much that a couple guys are lone-wolfing.

I'd say on a map like Beirut, it's pretty easy to engage in a one many army guerrilla war against the enemy. It's also possible to contribute to the team like this, but this is limited. You need to have a really crappy team in order to contribute significantly from lone-wolfing.

Wo0Do0
2010-04-18, 04:13
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders

and this guy is a server admin? Of How much Squad leading and PR experience do you honestly have, there can be BOTH bad squad leader and member. That is why it is a teamwork game, where everyone must contribute their share of discipline and cooperation.

CallousDisregard
2010-04-18, 10:39
give a man a fish he eats for a day

teach him to fish hes full for a lifetime.

Kick them from your squad and they will never learn and become someone elses problem

Keep them with you and they could turn into a better player than you ever imagined.

Light a fire for a man and he will be warm for one night.
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.:shock::-P





How do I deal with a squad like this? let's say I have to stay with them, what do I do?


This is the answer...

you gotta be assertive. kick one of the biggest retards out of the squad and tell the rest to follow you or leave the squad. it can go good or bad, if it goes good, they will ask try and comply, and if it goes bad the worst that will happen is they give out and maybe TK you, in which case they dont deserve your company and your can tell the server admin that there are mindless primates ruining the game.

You dont have to be the best motivational speaker, but yea i gotta agree with the guys above. when it comes down to it, theres always the kick and lock methods. its part of PR im afraid, there are quiet people, noisy people, and rude people. and when theres an irritating butt-munch in your squad, you gotta kick him. :)


If the squads are full and you kick them and lock the squad then a lot of servers they will be kicked for being squad-less.
It is sad to say but a slightly nasty attitude and a pimphand-like kick reflex is often what is needed to bring a squad together.
There are numerous people who will not be serious unless you are.
But in the end, it is just game and it is not going away so don't stress over a bad game/ bad squad, there will be another chance.

dtacs
2010-04-18, 14:03
It really depends on the squad leader and how they handle discipline. Everybody has their own flavor of leadership, some rage at the squad and its individual members when a mistake is made, some may blame the whole group or simply let it pass.

The latter is the worst part, and indicates that there is a problem with the squad leader himself. That which goes unpunished or unrecognized becomes acceptable, if someone makes a mistake, you can jump on it or simply let it go. If you are letting simple mistakes pass without recognizing them then you should consider not SLing before you correct yourself.

I've been squad leading almost every game I play on PR for about 2 years now (after spending at least a couple of weeks as a grunt) and I've developed a seamless, effective system for dealing with unruly squad members.

I've determined three levels of mistakes:

Level one can entail picking up a kit without asking, spamming the mic with useless intel, or not spawning on the correct spawn (which happens alot lately)

Level two entails actions such as soloing a vehicle, taking control of the squad or issuing orders, or a level one which becomes a level two after the request to correct the mistake IE playerB gets the sniper kit, you give him 30 seconds to correct it and get a kit indicated, and he doesn't or whatever.

Level three is always an instant kick, includes abuse, constant ignoring of orders, or prolonged, usually crappy teamplay. Level three also involves players simply being horrible at the game, and cannot be improved.

L1/2 include a first warning, then kick system. The system should always be explained to the squad in the chopper along the way, before the game starts, or during a period of downtime when waiting for transport etc etc. Squad members should have the ability to redeem themselves as well, including a change in attitude. Everybody deserves a second chance.

I employ constant micromanagement, even with alot of seasoned players, to ensure that they are doing their job. Even the best of players sometimes make huge mistakes which can cost the squad dearly. Never assume a player is doing something you told them.

Anyway thats my 2c on discipline when leading. Alot of people may have a different system or none at all, but either way you need to be prepared to work with unruly squad members.

But whatever you do...NEVER EVER EVER yell or swear at squad members. The instant you do either one is the instant you have lost command of the squad. Ensure that you correct the mistake and they know what they are doing, even if it means repeating it twice.

Good luck.

Smuke
2010-05-07, 22:04
I find the best way to deal with them, give em a few warnings..if not..bye bye.

myles
2010-05-07, 22:20
so annoying the other day on Fallujah as SL and i told the rifleman specilist to throw a rope of the bulidng he tried for about 5 mins and i said comon hurry the F&(k up. we started taking fire i was like come on come on!! he kept thowrin at the roff of the buliding and not letting it hang down come on were gona get killed on this roof he eventually gave up his kit to another SM and we got off the roof it pissed me off

goguapsy
2010-05-09, 16:23
Good System

I definitely agree with you. I insta-kick, however, if someone doesn't answer my calls in VOIP after 3 times (most of the time it happens during the 1:30 min squad organization before the round starts).

And I CAN'T STAND SNIPERS. I insta-kick them. Any other kits I ask them to fix their mistake.

PFunk
2010-05-12, 22:21
When dealing with useless guys the question you have to ask yourself is how much of your squad's time and energy are you going to waste on him. Anybody you deem an ineffective SM is going to hinder your ability to get the job done. One sniper can slow you all down as you all leap frog, finding him a building. Guys who always die end up getting you bogged down trying to get him back up.

So its down to what you want to do with the round. Try to win, or try to let everybody in the squad have a chance to have fun. If one guy is ruining everybody else's fun then I don't think its actually fair to the rest of the guys to keep him in. Its why most people who play a lot play with almost entirely their close friends and lock the squads.

I like working with good players and I like teaching people who need to learn, but I don't enjoy trying to dictate a lesson on PR over and over to some retard thats not even really taking the round seriously.

Some people you wonder why they play this mod with their attitudes and I don't think its possible to change 100% of them in a single round. Some, many, quite a few, whatever, but there are always bad apples. As I said in my original post, in real life it is true that there are no bad soldiers, just bad officers, but the army still rejected my cousin cause he was somehow not suited for it when its well known that they're trying to get exactly his demographic to join.

Some people don't belong in a squad. Some people belong back in vanilla til they mature up. I try more than many do, but I don't let it ruin a 2 hour round.

Haji with a Handgun
2010-05-12, 22:26
I once had a squad leader that would execute (TK) anyone who wasn't listening or didn't follow orders. I think he may have cost us about 3 tickets. He would execute them and kick them. It may have been a tad stupid, but it made sure everyone was doing what they were supposed to. We ended up winning. Not advocating this, but I guess every kind of discipline has its place.

burghUK
2010-05-12, 22:58
Theres no time for morality or kindness on the internet. Kick the useless beanbags from the squad and be done with it.

dtacs
2010-05-15, 16:00
Theres no time for morality or kindness on the internet. Kick the useless beanbags from the squad and be done with it.
No but there is time for not being a useless dick. If you kick someone who made a common mistake but they know how to correct it, be prepared to not have a squad for much longer.

Pvt.Jumper
2010-06-30, 10:43
How to recognize a Bad squad member :

He's constantly giving his own opinion on things, e.g where the squad should move and what to do. Usually, such people intend to ignore your direct orders and go alone in their own little world, moments after shouting for a revive.

Trigger happy. If you're moving in a stealth-like formation and someone randomly opens up on the enemy and calls the contact out only after the shot was made - you're bound to know that this will happen again. And thus, a kick is vital to fix this problem.

Players who need baby sitting. Every single time, they will follow you. No matter where you go, no matter what you say to then - they'll be there, behind you, smelling your arse.

Random kit requesters. If you clearly state NOT to take any special kits and just use the load out provided by the spawning tab - usually people end up taking a HAT, whereas your squad is initiating a rush to the enemies 1st flag. To slow them down. Even you assign a marksman kit, or a LAT kit. Players will take the more powerful versions of that kit. In this case, the Sniper and or the HAT.

How to have a good time when leading a squad :

Look for members who are excited and throw out a joke or two. In most of my cases, whenever I'm leading a squad with chilled peeps - we win. Or players who take this game fairly seriously and be as tactical as they can be.

Constantly asking for orders. To some it might seem "annoying" althought it's actually a positive thing for the SL. Believe it or not, the majority of the SL's do forget their movement plan and stick to the same place, e.g a building they've garrisoned inside. Once someone asks for further orders - a SL can quickly brief himself with the ongoing situation and get a battle plan.

Is my squad leader good or is he a rookie?

Easy to tell. If a SL is performing a rush which simply can't work. e.g rushing Jabal Al burj as US. That WILL fail. No matter what. That's, obviously, a example of a bad SL.

A good one will often stick to defensive tactics and perform slight pushes into the enemy territory. Always concentrating on huge structures to take over for a decent ammount of cover.

~ The end of wall of text! ~

I hope your eyes won't bleed out from all the reading :(

P.S: Don't pummel me for any grammar mistakes!

Jarryd_455495
2010-06-30, 12:13
Good guide jumper, but i have to disagree with the "SM giving their opinion".
Sure they are bad if they walk off in 'their own lil world' but it's still good for SM to give their ideas. Sometimes it opens a good route to you and if not it still gives you a chance to make them feel like they are part of the sqd.
HOWEVER
If they don't shut up from their plan when you start talking or talk over you thats when they are bad, they are trying to take over YOUR sqd and effect how well others can hear your orders.
And about the getting hit too much, sometimes you have to see if it was just plain stupidity or just them having a bad round, happens to everyone and some more than others.

Anyawy i usually kick if they are running off with any kit they want without any proper plan from me, had one guy run off, lose a sniper kit and when i asked him 'what he was doing now?' he replied with 'going to get the kit back' after that i gave him a quick lecture about 'how he shouldn't have done it and he should have informed someone sooner because the kits probably gone by now' then kick for someone who wanted to help the sqd(which arrived very soon and was a great help).

Can't give you anything on SM being smarta$$'s because i've never run into any (not in mine or someone else's sqd i've been in), one good thing about BigD servers and they good admining there.

Pvt.Jumper
2010-06-30, 18:44
Sure they are bad if they walk off in 'their own lil world' but it's still good for SM to give their ideas. Sometimes it opens a good route to you and if not it still gives you a chance to make them feel like they are part of the sqd.
HOWEVER
If they don't shut up from their plan when you start talking or talk over you thats when they are bad, they are trying to take over YOUR sqd and effect how well others can hear your orders.

Ehm! You don't dissagree with me. What you just said, equals to my original post!

Well, few ideas are good, but when theres too much of 'em - it'll seem that someone else is leading the squad for you. And you're just the guy with a radio, placing down FOB's..

Arnoldio
2010-06-30, 22:59
Fight fire with fire, be stubborn and dont yell and complain about them like "guys we cannot do this if you dont listen...".

Just repeat the same sentence again again until the guy does it. I was just playing earlier and one of my squadmates decided to go save a tank with was almost a km away. First he asked if he can go, but i said no, then i repeatedly kept saying to him to come back to the squad and defend. Told him like 10 times and when i was just about to kick him, he left. Then i needed to get 2 guys down from the hills to me. I said once, twice... five times and they came down eventually.

L4gi
2010-06-30, 23:06
e.g rushing Jabal Al burj as US. That WILL fail. No matter what.


You are wrong. I have made it work numerous times.

BloodAce
2010-06-30, 23:51
L4gi it's not even funny anymore :cry:

Pvt.Jumper
2010-07-01, 11:47
You are wrong. I have made it work numerous times.

Unless the MEC team was 3 year olds in wheel chairs then yes, did manage to do it. Other than that, I doubt you can hold the flag with 1 squad versus two or even more. In my eyes, you rushed with one full squad which does make it insanely hard to do it. You'd have to kill everyone who enters the flag zone otherwise you'd be overrun fairly quickly. OR you rushed with two or even more squads. Which makes it fairly easy.

dtacs
2010-07-01, 14:26
You are wrong. I have made it work numerous times.
Yep, I've been on the giving and receiving end and it screws MEC over pretty bad.

Pvt.Jumper
2010-07-03, 08:12
Must.. Resist.. Don't.. Flame.. L4gi.. Phew!

guru951
2010-12-19, 11:19
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders

I think you're right. I mean a squad member can only be a jackass if his SL allows him to be. If the squaddy is an unreliable little shit, than the kick button is clicked. If the SL does not do this than he IS a bad SL. So with that being said. There are no bad squad members, only bad SL's.

I find it funny that sometimes I will tell a squad member "when you're ready to be part of the team come on back" and than I ask the squad "what's the shape of Italy?" And than I kick them. But it's funny to me that many times that player will rejoin and follow orders and do exactly what's expected of him after I have kicked them.

CallousDisregard
2010-12-19, 11:50
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders
Play on TG.
If your SM do not follow orders, you report them to admin and they are kicked.
and so you are a good squadleader.

dtacs
2010-12-19, 11:52
Play on TG.
If your SM do not follow orders, you report them to admin and they are kicked.
and so you are a good squadleader.
You're telling Cougar to play on TG?

lol

CallousDisregard
2010-12-19, 11:55
You're telling Cougar to play on TG?

lol
I was elucidating his point.

dtacs
2010-12-19, 12:05
You don't have to play on TG to have a good squad, I've had great squads on HOG and H.

TG whilst without a doubt the best server for teamwork and fair play, isn't the only good one out there.

hobbnob
2010-12-19, 12:10
I can often get a good few lads under my command on nwa, but you always get the occasional person who has to be kicked because he's not listening to orders.

doop-de-doo
2010-12-20, 13:09
When you say "terrible squad members", two things come to mind, terrible as in very bad, or terrible as in fearsome. :D

Anyway, yes, kick the terrible squad members. What's the issue? You obviously don't want to work with them and everyone runs out of patience at some point.

Now as you created the scenario where you have to stay with them, here's my solution:

Get all the players of the same type and make fire teams out of them. Send them off ahead or to a flank and work with the ones that remain so you can get some work done in peace. If they holler too much, tell them you need to hear the enemy around you.

ZoneBlaze
2012-02-09, 08:36
There are no bad squad members

Only bad Squad Leaders

Correction:
Only Squad Leaders with insensitive mics(Or mics with a high threshold.)

I often join squads and usually one person(Sometimes the SL) has a really low mic, forcing me to turn down the 'sounds' in the options and turn up my volume. :neutral:

Tiger1
2012-02-09, 11:38
it's very simple. If some lowlife is not able to follow simple instructions I will get rid of him. No room for deadweight. To get rid of this problem though for you as public players. Find a clan/group or community.

KiloJules
2012-02-14, 12:14
The other day I had a full squad (at least 3 where not that experienced yet, 1 so-so, 1 clan-mate) and I was ordering the AR to cover the L-shape on vadso, so the others could flank a bit and then get closer and take it...so far the idea.

After 30 seconds I see him running up to the building, jumping in the lower balcony and oc...dying. His fail was followed by the words: "Hmm, so I guess an AR is not a CQB weapon afterall"

Hilarity ensued!!!

And that is what you call "terrible" SMs...not listening, not asking (if sth. is not clear to them), failing and then blaming the SL for giving the wrong order or sth...

mangeface
2012-03-14, 21:54
I'd say 'that only applies to real life'

Very true. Cause IRL, when I tell a LCpl (US Marines) to do something, and he/she disobeys my order (I'm a Cpl), I can scream at him/her, haze him/her halfway to death, then counsel his/her ass. And the next time, they do what I tell them. Or they're just dumbasses and for some reason enjoy punishment.

I can scream at someone in game, but that usually ends up with people leaving my squad, and at times the one's that are doing what I say. I think I've even heard of players being banned on servers for yelling at squad members.

alvina
2012-10-30, 03:10
Hi. I am bumping this thread to makes some statements about bad Squad leaders since I've noticed it's for most of the time bad squad leading, and I am serious about that.

I've played PR for some time now, since 2005? And I usually like to be a squad member. I've never really shared any thoughts about much but I've come to realize that I know quite much when it comes to a fail squad, and it's an interesting subject because it's probably not far away from the reality itself.

There are some Squad leaders, for most of the time it's "younger people" but not only who has the characteristics of wanting to control everything at any time, I call it "Bunch up". It's that extra strict, tough and naive "kind" who doesn't realize the squad itself i bad because of himself. Does he really do anything wrong? The problem is, yes, they want to control everything, every step, every move, who goes first, who goes last and so on, he creates the whole squad to his own will, and if nothing goes according to his mind it starts a build up of frustration and he attacks individuals. It's the kind of Squad leader who makes the squad members extra vigilant to what he is saying to avoid frustration, and this can be (most of the times) devastating, believe or not. This choke hold technique makes the squad bunch together because the squad members are more focused on not failing the squad leader, so they loose their individual (if allowed even) focus on the environments and enemy. I have seen millions of examples of this and it always ends with the Squad leader blaming the squad members, when it's more about their technique they are using.

So what do I suggest? Actually a squad becomes more efficient if space and freedom is allowed. This is something the faction insurgency proves in my opinion. We all know being a lone wolf can be efficient, you wander around without a care right, but let's say you wander around with a little bit of care, a little bit of structure, aha, bingo. That's it. That's the key. If a Squad allows squad members to feel free but yet still structured together with a squad leader that allows space you get a much more in my opinion, efficient squad.

So what you simply do as a squad leader, mind your own business! Make sure you have a structure, you ARE the squad leader and make sure people knows it, and let peoples experience and skill speak for themselves. And when something does go wrong you will be there, close together, understand the situation, take control of the situation and rebuild. Be patient.

So the Best Squad leader in my opinion is someone who is close to the medic. It's a two man squad. Let the kids be free, when they die, rebuild.

But keep in mind. For this to be effective, the squad has to be on the move constantly, not necessarily on foot but with connection to each other. It's the bound that makes it efficient. It may sound a bit Band of Brother-ish but the words are true. It works in practice. So if you are a Squad leader who likes to have puppets on strings, it's more efficient if you let them loose, but keep the structure and discipline. Especially to your medic.

Automobilie
2017-07-10, 07:49
If you have a SM that keeps trying to direct the squad, ask them if they want to be squad leader. That'll usually shut them up 'cause it worked on me :D