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162eRI
2009-04-04, 22:24
Organisation du Golfe de Guinée
Gulf of Guinea Organisation
[Discussion Thread]

http://www.cmutuel.com/cicm/images/cartes%20pays/zonefranc.gif
Just a random map of the West and central Africa, Don't look at the colors...

As you may have seen, our French Forces faction made a huge step forward. Now in the PR Community Faction, our Team is working hard to finish in time the French army and all its equipment for our first theatre of war, West Africa.

We wanted to settle our faction in Africa as it is in reality the main conflict area for the French army, even now (Ivory Coast, Tchad, Djibouti, Gabon etc) and also because the Afghan localization was too much present...

Nonetheless, Africa means new statics and new factions. Since our faction is going really nicely, we can start to speak more freely about the ennemy we will fight. Which is the Guinean Gulf Organisation, based in West Africa.

The OGG is like the MEC, a non existent faction made of different forces all around Western African countries. Mostly old French and English colonies.

To make a long story short, one of this country, with at its head a dictator, and its allies invaded its neighbors. They are now threatening the other countries around the Guinean Gulf to become part of their OGG.

It's not in the taste of the French Government which its interests in the region are now threaten by the OGG dictatorship.
For the U.N., the official reasons for a military intervention in the area are caused by the old ethnical rivalries, crime of war and massacre who have been commited by the OGG forces and its allies.

Now, enough talking, some ideas for this OGG faction. We have to see it like some sort of poor conventionnal army. Which one is equiped with 80s, 90s and early XXIst century equipment.

A "spreadsheet" design plan should follow soon.

[WIP] OGG Flag
http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc811/th_43962_OGG9_122_811lo.jpg (http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=43962_OGG9_122_811lo.jpg)

[WIP] Infantry ironsight
http://img131.imagevenue.com/loc672/th_19615_DSC04760_122_672lo.JPG (http://img131.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=19615_DSC04760_122_672lo.JPG)

[WIP] Officer and Support
http://img17.imagevenue.com/loc1194/th_30757_DSC04763_122_1194lo.JPG (http://img17.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=30757_DSC04763_122_1194lo.JPG)

[WIP] Rifleman L-AT and 2nd Support
http://img103.imagevenue.com/loc823/th_41665_DSC04764_122_823lo.JPG (http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=41665_DSC04764_122_823lo.JPG)

http://uppix.net/2/6/d/b78502a911bea5c7a392e5bfe6bcd.jpg
http://uppix.net/0/a/0/116fbd374ea70e4ca4d234a6f1ded.jpg

[WIP] Playerclass:
Officer > Colt and Fal or AK with scope (weapon made by exec_4ever)
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/exec_4ever/rdr2.jpg

Rifleman Scope > Fal or AK with scope (weapon made by exec_4ever)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6431/suit22dl3.jpg

Rifleman > Chinese or Russian AK

Combat Medic > Chinese or Russian AK

Rifleman Specialist > Chinese or Russian AKs

Combat Engineer > AKs or Russian/Chinese SKS

Rifleman L-AT > AKs and Russian RPG

Rifleman AA > AKs and Old Russian AA missile or French Milan.

Marksman > Old American or Russian sniper rifle (SKS ?).

Sniper > Mercenaries using Russian sniper rifles.

Partisan > (like the man on right on the last picture) Russian/Chinese AK and machete.

Support > PKM or old French FM 24/29

Grenadier > AK + Grenade Launcher

Crewman > really low equipment and almost no weapons.

Pilot > Russian mercenaries.


So, advices, help, comments?

azn_chopsticks_boi
2009-04-04, 22:32
So very similar to the Congo faction? well their ideas and such.

torenico
2009-04-04, 22:32
Sounds awesome!


I think some of these african countrys uses a bunch of T34/85.. that would be badass!

charliegrs
2009-04-05, 01:38
hmm judging from what the french forces have pulled off so far i wouldnt be surprised if they had this faction done in a week lol

Hauteclocque
2009-04-05, 09:13
Nice presentation 162. Are these drawings yours ?:-P

hmm judging from what the french forces have pulled off so far i wouldnt be surprised if they had this faction done in a week lo
Thanks you very much, charlie, but the end is still far...:-)

162 also proposes to use EoD models, Vietnam soldiers look like African fighters...

162eRI
2009-04-05, 09:17
Thanks for the support. Well, I would be glad myself if we can do such a thing like having this faction done in a week LOL
Yep, those little crappy drawings are mine LOL

For the vehicles, we need mostly retexturing:
Tank: T-62

APC: Russian APC (the one in PR) or the French VAB.

Jeep: RangeRover (British faction jeep but with less equipment on it) or old RangeRover (http://media.canada.com/b17a5268-e809-4db2-a84b-06fc4c00d03e/m1x00131_landrover.jpg)(need new static)

Pick-Up: the one in PR retextured or not, as African armies are using civilian pick-up.

Helicopter:
Light: Gazelle
Transport: Super Frelon or Russian Mi
Attack: Russian Mi-24

Aircrafts: old Mig

[WIP] OGG Military color and OGG Ground Forces emblems.
http://img37.imagevenue.com/loc1035/th_18947_OGGpainting_122_1035lo.jpg (http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18947_OGGpainting_122_1035lo.jpg)

[WIP] OGG Air Force emblems and camouflage.
http://img212.imagevenue.com/loc473/th_18953_OGGplane_122_473lo.jpg (http://img212.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18953_OGGplane_122_473lo.jpg)

Fake pictures just to show what it may look like:
Mig
http://img125.imagevenue.com/loc786/th_22398_MIGOGG_122_786lo.jpg (http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=22398_MIGOGG_122_786lo.jpg)

T-55
http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc677/th_24513_764px-T-55s_civil_war_122_677lo.jpg (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24513_764px-T-55s_civil_war_122_677lo.jpg)
http://img212.imagevenue.com/loc215/th_24524_t55_122_215lo.jpg (http://img212.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=24524_t55_122_215lo.jpg)+

Edit: Thanks to Kieffer, I've found the armors so much used by the Western African armies:
The ERC-90
http://www.armyrecognition.com/Afrique/Tchad/vehicules_a_roues/ERC-90/ERC-90_1_TCHAD.JPG
The AML-90 (or Eland if come from South Africa (http://www.sa-transport.co.za/military/army/eland_armoured_car_sandstone_ldp06%20.JPG)> similar looking)
http://www.armyrecognition.com/Afrique/Nigeria/vehicules_a_roues/AML-90/AML-90_1_NIGERE.JPG

FF have already done the ERC-90 but with the Sagaie Turret. If we use it for the French Army, we need a new model for the African turret or to make the AML-90.
[WIP] ERC-90 Sagaie. Made by Bao.
http://apu.mabul.org/up/apu/2009/01/02/img-191243dti2c.jpg

And one should not forget the mighty Daimler armored car, I guess still in use in this part of the world.
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/m201/Algerie_fichiers/Khanga_fichiers/FD-Ferret.jpg
http://www.sa-transport.co.za/military/army/ferret_01_jd03.JPG

Snazz
2009-04-05, 11:07
162eRI;983868']The AML-90 (or Eland if come from South Australia (http://www.sa-transport.co.za/military/army/eland_armoured_car_sandstone_ldp06%20.JPG)> similar looking)

Australia, Africa, all the same to the French. :P

AnimalMother.
2009-04-05, 11:24
Looks really promising!


quite excited about the french faction now, loads of new things for it.


Personally i'd like to see a FAL appear somewhere in the armoury ;)

single.shot (nor)
2009-04-05, 11:27
i like they Drawing-style... really good IMO, but im no artist.

what if you make their pants OD and theyr jackets Camo, or the other way around?
i dont know if you are making new geometry, but a i believe M1 helmet variations are plentiful in the area.

Tannhauser
2009-04-05, 11:37
I agree with asking EoD for their geometries.
Some of their USA and SV geometries could work with a good reskin IMO. Especially because of their helmets.

Titan
2009-04-05, 11:50
how about a recoilless rifle mounted on a jeep?
KM424 106mm Recoilless Rifle Carrier Walk Around Page 1 (http://www.primeportal.net/trucks/mu_yeol_lee/km424_106mm_recoilless/)

and the new technical in PRSP?

.. or a zpu2 mounted on a unimog ^^
File:ZU-23-2-Unimog-batey-haosef-1.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZU-23-2-Unimog-batey-haosef-1.jpg)

162eRI
2009-04-05, 12:38
Australia, Africa, all the same to the French. :P
ROFL, sorry my Australian friend, my mistake! I meant South Africa.

Personally i'd like to see a FAL appear somewhere in the armoury
It does, it does, for the officer and the rifleman scope. I guess exec_4ever can help us on this one!
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6431/suit22dl3.jpg

what if you make their pants OD and theyr jackets Camo, or the other way around?
i dont know if you are making new geometry, but a i believe M1 helmet variations are plentiful in the area.
Yes, when we are looking at African soldiers, it's mainly olive drab colors, but they are wearing more and more camouflages, like the old US Woodland. We should try to make a mixe of that.
For the player kits, when I looked at the real pictures and the playerclass of Eve of Destruction, they are the sames!!!

http://www.eodmod.com/website2007/bf2/armies/us6.jpghttp://www.eodmod.com/website2007/bf2/armies/us2.jpghttp://www.eodmod.com/website2007/bf2/armies/us5.jpg


how about a recoilless rifle mounted on a jeep?
KM424 106mm Recoilless Rifle Carrier Walk Around Page 1
and the new technical in PRSP?
.. or a zpu2 mounted on a unimog ^^
File:ZU-23-2-Unimog-batey-haosef-1.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, it would be wonderful! We will need a new light truck (old French Truck or South African ligh truck) where we can put the mounted AA.
Same thing for the recoilless rifle mounted on a jeep. I would love to see it on the RangeRover, otherwise, we can take the Jeep from Eve of Destruction.


EDIT for the helicopters:
They are using mostly Cougar (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/aeromil-yf/SUPER%20PUMA%20FZ.jpg)(and not Super Frelon (http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/Gsuperfrelon.jpg)but well...), Alouette (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/aeromil-yf/AL%20III%2067%20DC.jpg) as much as Gazelle (http://www.gizmodo.fr/savedfiles/gazelle_heli.jpg) and some BO 105C (http://www.zap16.com/images/gr02_bo105c_rnlaf_b-72.jpg).
Nonetheless, Mi-24 feet perfectly in my mind for Attack helico, even if those Mi-24 are more in Central Africa or East.

EDIT for tanks:
They are using mostly T-55 and Vickers Mk 3 tanks. But I guess T-62 are largely enough as placeholder.

Sgt_Doctor
2009-04-05, 12:40
Not Mi17 for transport ?

162eRI
2009-04-05, 12:49
No, we can see that the countries around the Guinean Gulf don't use it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/World_operators_of_the_Mil_Mi-8.png/400px-World_operators_of_the_Mil_Mi-8.png

On the other hand, Mi-24 are used in the area. Well, not that much but we all remember the Ivorian Mi-24 with their Russian pilots mercenaries who shoot at the French army and killed our soldiers. After that, the French Air Force destroyed during an air strike all their Mi-24.
Country using the Mi-24.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/World_operators_of_the_Mi-24.png/350px-World_operators_of_the_Mi-24.png

STORM-Mama
2009-04-05, 13:24
Awesome work. Those emblems look great on the pictures you posted.:wink:

Thei loadout looks really good and believable. Like that you will feature mercenaries for some of the kits. I understand that there is quite alot of them that are operating/have operated in that region.

Sgt_Doctor
2009-04-05, 14:50
Seriously, for the last time SUPER PUMA it's the civilian version of COUGAR, (since 1990). :)

For exemple, french army use : PUMA (SA.330 ), COUGAR (AS-532) OR CARACAL (EC-725).

162eRI
2009-04-05, 15:40
Yeah, yeah wathever ^_^ LOL
It doesn't matter for our English friends speaker as on English websites it's always wrote "Super Puma" (it's a poor excuse isn't it?)

(corrected)

Sgt_Doctor
2009-04-05, 15:49
Gniii... :twisted: lol

162eRI
2009-04-05, 15:55
At least, I've found which vehicle could be use as Light Truck for transport or mounted AA canon.

It's the VLRA 4x4 made by ACMAT society (http://www.acmat.fr/indexgb.html). It is heavily used all over the world (even in England for the SAS) and the USA even bought some to test them!
http://www.acmat.fr/photos/420_sh_ard_cirp.jpg
http://accel21.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/1/89/45/26/IMAGES-DU-SITE-ACMAT/ALM-ACMAT-VLRA-TPK-425-STL.jpg

Hauteclocque
2009-04-05, 17:25
Nice vehicule, but unfortunately a new model to build...:roll:
For Light Machine Gun, Ivory Coast Army uses Neguev (hum, I have seen one in a other faction few hours ago...:mrgreen:)
For the grenade, Mk II by Bao...(unless PR has already it...)
http://uppix.net/9/0/3/9b1be99232318ac7a44f8a76178catt.jpg

They have also BTR60, and BRDM2 which are already done in PR...
They had 4 Su 25 but French Army has destroyed two of them...:-)

I will search for more information...

162eRI
2009-04-05, 18:02
For Light Machine Gun, Ivory Coast Army uses Neguev (hum, I have seen one in a other faction few hours ago...)
For the grenade, Mk II by Bao...(unless PR has already it...)
Indeed, but I don't think they are using exactly the same than the Israeli faction. Older one perhaps. And I guess, African countries are more using PKM or things like that?!

For the grenade, we have to take the Russian F-1 (?) from PR. Mk II may be still used in some areas, but it's a WW2 grenade... Much too old.

They have also BTR60, and BRDM2 which are already done in PR...
Yep, thanks for the names, I was looking for them. They are the one I was thinking of in the first page.

Anyway, we will need at least 2 or 3 new models:
The recoilless rifle (static weapon or for the jeep)
The AML-90 (we can't take the ERC90 as we will use it for the French faction)
The VLRA 4x4 (low priority)

We will need to retexture the:
Pick Up
BTR60
BRDM2
Land Rover Defender
T-62
American Truck
etc.

Cheesygoodness
2009-04-06, 07:49
The only comment / assistance / question I can add is for the FN Fal / AK47 usages.

The officer and scoped rifleman kit will be using either the FN Fal or the AK-47 with an optic system yes? The AK-47 could possibly use the PSO system. Its a 4x system.

Romanian PSO Sniper Scope - Scope for AK-47 style rifle from Romania (http://www.keepshooting.com/firearmaccessories/add-ons/romanian-pso-sniper-scope-for-ak-47.htm)

Unfortunately that seems to only fit Romanian AK-47s rather then Russian AK-47s.

(Image of a Tabuk Rifle in Iraq.)
Iraqi Militia with Tabuk Rifle- Suite101.com Images (http://www.suite101.com/view_image.cfm/622808)

Again I can't find what style of AKs it would fit or if it would only fit the Tabuk Iraqi built rifle. Nor can I find much information on the scope style. I believe it to is a PSO-1 or a similar style one however which means its identical to the Dragunov.

(Images of the scope.)
The Guns Network LLC ~ Discussion Forums - WTK Value of Tabuk Sniper Rifle Scope? (http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3146171)

However if you'd prefer to use the FN Fal. It begs the question of an iron sights style one. I can't find much information on the FN Fal in use by any North African countries at all. Only South African ones. However if its included I could see a kit such as the Rifleman Specialist using the FN Fal with standard sights. If exec_4ever has created the model without optics of course. It hardly seems right that a country would use a completely different rifle purely for its use of optics. I think it would be a fitting idea.

But thats all I have to add on the topic.

STORM-Mama
2009-04-06, 09:49
162eRI;984240']
For the grenade, we have to take the Russian F-1 (?) from PR. Mk II may be still used in some areas, but it's a WW2 grenade... Much too old.

The F1 is also a WW2 grenade :wink:

162eRI
2009-04-06, 14:18
The F1 is also a WW2 grenade
Yeah, I know. Even more old, it's a WW1 grenade made in part from the French grenade 'Citron" (Lemon) if I'm not mistasken.
But the point is (i don't know which one is used in PR, I guess it's the F-1) it's an update version. I think it's still product today? The MkII doesn't exist anymore (and this kind of Grenade isn't forbidden?)

Glimmerman
2009-04-06, 14:24
Perhaps call it West African Coalition?

Hauteclocque
2009-04-06, 15:00
The only comment / assistance / question I can add is for the FN Fal / AK47 usages.

The officer and scoped rifleman kit will be using either the FN Fal or the AK-47 with an optic system yes? The AK-47 could possibly use the PSO system. Its a 4x system.

Romanian PSO Sniper Scope - Scope for AK-47 style rifle from Romania (http://www.keepshooting.com/firearmaccessories/add-ons/romanian-pso-sniper-scope-for-ak-47.htm)

Unfortunately that seems to only fit Romanian AK-47s rather then Russian AK-47s.

(Image of a Tabuk Rifle in Iraq.)
Iraqi Militia with Tabuk Rifle- Suite101.com Images (http://www.suite101.com/view_image.cfm/622808)

Again I can't find what style of AKs it would fit or if it would only fit the Tabuk Iraqi built rifle. Nor can I find much information on the scope style. I believe it to is a PSO-1 or a similar style one however which means its identical to the Dragunov.

(Images of the scope.)
The Guns Network LLC ~ Discussion Forums - WTK Value of Tabuk Sniper Rifle Scope? (http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3146171)

However if you'd prefer to use the FN Fal. It begs the question of an iron sights style one. I can't find much information on the FN Fal in use by any North African countries at all. Only South African ones. However if its included I could see a kit such as the Rifleman Specialist using the FN Fal with standard sights. If exec_4ever has created the model without optics of course. It hardly seems right that a country would use a completely different rifle purely for its use of optics. I think it would be a fitting idea.

But thats all I have to add on the topic.

Thanks for this very long comment on this topic ;)

For the moment, we want to give the FAL only to the officer and the rifleman scope...
Why not giving it to the rifleman specialist ? Will we do a rifleman specialist kit ?

Hum, I think this kit and also HAT and AA kits are not very fitted to this kind of army...Do you consider specialized soldier who only use this kind of weapon ? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.

For the other classes, we want to give mostly AK-47 or equivalent.

I think that in this kind of countries, weapons are from all origins, I mean that there is no standard rifle which is only used in an African army. So I think we wan mix the use of FAL and AK-47.

For the choice of AK-47 type : apparently West African countries use mainly Made in China AK-47, the 56 Type (I think they are those which are used by China in Bf2).

PS : What do you mean by North African countries ?:-|

Guybrush
2009-04-06, 15:07
Haven't you thought about giving a few G3s to the rebels ?

Hauteclocque
2009-04-06, 15:24
Hum, a bit boring, isn't it ? Mec has it as main rifle, Norvegian will have it (up to date)...
But it's right that this weapon is used in Ivory Coast and according to Wikipedia Ghana has 12000 G3...It fits with our operation theater...:)
I think that the choice will be hard...:???:

162eRI
2009-04-06, 16:04
Perhaps call it West African Coalition?

I don't know. We can change the name after if its not feet.

But, for now, I know there is two African Union called the Pan-African Organization also known as Organisation of African Unity (OAU) and a second one the Africa People's Organisation.

And because mostly of the Gulf of Guinea countries are old French colonies, the name of this coalition will come out first in French. Something like Organisation du Golfe de Guinee.
In English, the translation can be:
-Guinean Gulf Organisation.
-Gulf of Guinea Organisation.
-Organisation of the Gulf of Guinea.
-Organisation of the Guinean Gulf.
(or OrganiZation spelling)

That's why I love English Hahahaha. I think the first or second one are the most correct?!

Cheesygoodness
2009-04-06, 16:08
I think that in this kind of countries, weapons are from all origins, I mean that there is no standard rifle which is only used in an African army. So I think we wan mix the use of FAL and AK-47.

For the choice of AK-47 type : apparently West African countries use mainly Made in China AK-47, the 56 Type (I think they are those which are used by China in Bf2).

PS : What do you mean by North African countries ?:-|

I split the country between North and South. I was speaking basically any country north of the Congo as I assumed that wouldn't be a bad way to look into what countries being considered.

Basically my ideas were. If a scoped AK-47 was wanted then those are possible scopes that could be used or to show its actually possible to mount one on the gun.

If the FN Fal was used then why would they only issue the FN Fal with optics to there people? You'd assume some standard iron sights models would be placed in there hands, thus I wondered if the FN Fal without optics would fit into the rifleman specialist class. That way you have that feel of you spoke of. 'The mix of weapons' if it was more then just an optics kit you see?

As for the having the rifleman specialist I was going off the previously stated.

162eRI;983603']
Rifleman > Chinese or Russian AK

Combat Medic > Chinese or Russian AK

Rifleman Specialist > Chinese or Russian AKs

Combat Engineer > AKs or Russian/Chinese SKS

Rifleman L-AT > AKs and Russian RPG


Where it was said it seemed the Rifleman Specialist is at least partly planned. To help with the mixed weapon feeling perhaps an iron sights G3 or an iron sights FN Fal (If exec_4ever modeled one.) would assist in giving off that atmosphere.

MarioChile
2009-04-11, 22:16
I think that the OGG must be a full conventional army, you know, more weapons, more fun. For H-AT use the RPG-7 Tandem and for AA the Blowpipe, nigeria uses the blowpipe... that's my opinion.

And you guys are doing a great job with this faction, a really fast job.

Sorry my english isn't so good =D

Merc
2009-04-12, 05:50
[R-CON]162eRI

I want to ask you, and also all who is involved in development of this Faction, that concerning introduction to playing for this faction of Mi-24 (HIND)?
Can we hope, what for this Faction we will see this technique in a Game?

Hauteclocque
2009-04-12, 06:43
It's the attack chopper we have planned to add to this faction, but it will need a lot of work !!!
If someone wants to model it, let's do it !!:wink:

162eRI
2009-04-12, 10:17
Don't worry Merc, the Hind will definitively be in the African faction. True enough, not all the Western African countries used it, but because of movies or I don't know what, for us the bad guys of the African army without the Hind aren't the bad guys... See my point LOL

In reality, they have few Hinds. So, on some of our maps we will give them one or two Mi-24 only and not respawnable...

Hauteclocque, I don't we have to make a new model as the Mi-24 is already in PR. Just need some light restexturing work.
http://www.bf-games.net/images/bf2/fahrzeuge/hind.jpg

Of course, this Hind, and especially the inside, will not be as beautiful as =USOR=Oleg-Russia Hind TT_TT

azn_chopsticks_boi
2009-04-12, 14:42
Or ask USI to use their Hind model :-P

Tannhauser
2009-04-13, 06:20
Where it was said it seemed the Rifleman Specialist is at least partly planned. To help with the mixed weapon feeling perhaps an iron sights G3 or an iron sights FN Fal (If exec_4ever modeled one.) would assist in giving off that atmosphere.

Not sure about the G3, but definitely agree with the FN Fal. It's a weapon i've been longing to see in PR forever. FN Fals are defenitely a + for immersion, rather than AK47 or Type 56 that are already used by insurgents, talibans and chechens.

Merc
2009-04-13, 14:11
162eRI;989738']Don't worry Merc, the Hind will definitively be in the African faction. True enough, not all the Western African countries used it, but because of movies or I don't know what, for us the bad guys of the African army without the Hind aren't the bad guys...

Bad guys witn/in Mi-24! ) Really, good humour!

162eRI;989738']In reality, they have few Hinds. So, on some of our maps we will give them one or two Mi-24 only and not respawnable...

I think, it is a not quite successful idea. Helicopter without next re-spawn?..
To my mind, It a bit not right...
Is it possible yet to correct?

162eRI;989738']Of course, this Hind, and especially the inside, will not be as beautiful as =USOR=Oleg-Russia Hind TT_TT

Yes, I agree with it and I saw his models! Many of works of Oleg are beautiful, and more precisely - all from them!
But why can not you use work of Oleg concerning this model of helicopter? I can not understand it. In fact he offers that we are necessary just!



In general, I must say that a new model must be magnificent work!

Only one yet wish to the model of helicopter: maybe, Is it possible to do a model with plenty of the suspended blocks with rockets?
All of us know that such modifications exist in the armies of many countries in reality. The more so - in the armies of the African countries!. And many of us saw the foto's of such modifications of Mi-24 here!

So, good luck to you in your work!

Tannhauser
2009-04-13, 14:34
But why can not you use work of Oleg concerning this model of helicopter? I can not understand it. In fact he offers that we are necessary just!

Simply put, they're too detailed. They're so detailed that his models would lag and not work within BF2:PR. They'd work with crysis, or for movies, but not for PR.

162eRI
2009-04-13, 14:36
Bad guys witn/in Mi-24! ) Really, good humour!
Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. I was just refering to Hollywood movies when we see the bad guys army in Africa with Hi-24. I mean, it's just the idea. Like a French without its Eiffel tower or "baguette". The African army would not be an African army without Ak and Hi-24 etc. (even if it's not true).

I think, it is a not quite successful idea. Helicopter without next re-spawn?..
To my mind, It a bit not right...
Is it possible yet to correct?

I'm not the good one to answer that but we can for example give 2hours delay for the respawn, so it makes it kinda unrespawnable!

Yes, I agree with it and I saw his models! Many of works of Oleg are beautiful, and more precisely - all from them!
But why can not you use work of Oleg concerning this model of helicopter? I can not understand it. In fact he offers that we are necessary just!

Because If i'm not mistaken its models are far too high in poly for computeur games. Thought, if he can make some low poly models, it would be wonderful.

Only one yet wish to the model of helicopter: maybe, Is it possible to do a model with plenty of the suspended blocks with rockets?
All of us know that such modifications exist in the armies of many countries in reality. The more so - in the armies of the African countries!. And many of us saw the foto's of such modifications of Mi-24 here!
Well, I was thinking like you. Like an African army without Hi-24 isn't an African army, same thing for the suspended blocks with rockets! I will see what we can do after we get the model done ;)

Merc
2009-04-13, 14:58
2hours delay for Respawn!..
Even I will not be able so long to wait respawn of this damn beautiful Heli !..

Also as now can not wait to play in 0.9 ))

And... I am glad to hear that our opinions meet concerning the amount of blocks with rockets. Thanks!

P.S.: Oleg, as well as every Russian man, simply can not create such a low-poly model! He can do the heaviest, the best and the highest-poly models only!!

We, Russians, talk so:
"Взялся за гуж, не говори что не дюж!"

In English this phrase sounds as "In for a penny, in for a pound."
(Also, "Better never begin than never make an end")

I think that you understood what I talk about! : DDD

ReadMenace
2009-04-13, 19:52
Will you just reskin MEC kit geometries? Or something else? ;)

-REad

162eRI
2009-04-13, 20:22
No, we think that reskinning EoD US models is more realistic for the African army. (and new)
After seeing a lot of pictures on Military Photos, I can say you that the US player class models of EoD are really similar to the African soldiers. Thought, what we could try to do is put a BF2 M88 "fritz" helmet on top of this models, see if they feet, because African armies started to use this helmet.

;)

steve_06-07
2009-04-13, 21:28
If you guys still need a "Mig" OPK has a Mig-21 Fishbed, maybe you can ask them for theirs?

162eRI
2009-04-13, 21:45
Definitively ;) Thx you for the advice.
I think it's better to use OPK Mig21 and Mi24 as we can get the UV and make easily new textures.

Anhkhoa
2009-04-17, 01:04
I was bored so I drew this up for you guys.
Guinean Gulf Organisation Forces Design Plan (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pxiICpE9LT35x0816OMlfTQ&hl=en)


Pictures and suggest to follow tommorow.


Update 4/15/09
I'm not part of the FF Dev team...
Officer, EoD Spec Ops
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2854/us51.jpg
Marksmen , EoD Pointman
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6400/screen001o.jpg
Riflemen Ironsites,Riflemen Specialist, Grenadier, EoD Recon1
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/167/screen004umg.jpg
Riflemen Optics, Riflemen Anti Tank, EoD Recon2
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5867/screen002e.jpg
Anti Tank, Sniper, Automatic Riflemen, Combat Engineer, Medic
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9452/us61.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7156/us41.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/707/screen003r.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5066/screen000urh.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4633/screen0001v.jpg


References
FN Fal
http://www.dewaarheid.nu/images/fn_fal.jpg
http://www.fmft.net/archives/slr3/slr%203.jpg
MP5K
http://airsoft-gun-review.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/mp5k_pdw.gif
M1903 Springfield
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1903a4.jpg

Sgt_Doctor
2009-04-17, 07:11
Sweet 'mate !

MCI
2009-04-17, 09:17
Is there any change you guys are going to make an African Insurgent faction?

WilsonPL
2009-04-17, 11:52
MP5K should be replaced with something different, maybe UZI ?
Also Sherman is too old i think, and plz not the standard truck, add something new...

Anhkhoa
2009-04-17, 21:29
MP5K should be replaced with something different, maybe UZI ?
Also Sherman is too old i think, and plz not the standard truck, add something new...

Placeholder,mate. Sux but its better than hardcoded =D
I like Shermans, I could replace it with a T-34/85 but I still support the idea of a light tank to counter the French wheeled tank (w/e it is called), a T62 will just wtfpwned it....








Sidenote : I'm not part of the FF Dev team

162eRI
2009-04-17, 21:45
Sherman is "outdated". Western African armies never used them (?) as they get Colonial tanks. (and today it's impossible to use them > where find the ammunitions or the spare parts?)
But I agree with you we need some light tanks or armored vehicles. The point is the French army don't use tanks in Africa, but light tanks and armored vehicles as well (like the ERC-90 Sagaie).

The African armies are using mostly T-55 tanks, some old English Centurion (?) and French AMX-13 or/and 30.
As light armored vehicles they are using a lot of French AML-90. All around Africa you can find them (even South Africa were they made copy of it). They are using also the ERC-90 but with the old turret.

Thanks for the design plan, I will take a look ;)

Pte.Paynter
2009-04-17, 21:51
I was bored so I drew this up for you guys.
GGOF Design Plan (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pxiICpE9LT35x0816OMlfTQ&hl=en)





Pictures and suggest to follow tommorow.

Good job mate looks good imo.

P.S if you also need help with this faction PM 163, and tell me what I can do.

Thank you.

:mrgreen:

Anhkhoa
2009-04-17, 22:13
162eRI;995745']Sherman is "outdated". Western African armies never used them (?) as they get Colonial tanks. (and today it's impossible to use them > where find the ammunitions or the spare parts?)
But I agree with you we need some light tanks or armored vehicles. The point is the French army don't use tanks in Africa, but light tanks and armored vehicles as well (like the ERC-90 Sagaie).

The African armies are using mostly T-55 tanks, some old English Centurion (?) and French AMX-13 or/and 30.
As light armored vehicles they are using a lot of French AML-90. All around Africa you can find them (even South Africa were they made copy of it). They are using also the ERC-90 but with the old turret.

Thanks for the design plan, I will take a look ;)
The Sherman was just a product of quick thinking. (Shermans were used during the Invasion of North Africa, West Africa a bit south of North Africa...you get the point.) I really don't like the idea of using a ERC-90 as the African light tank, it just kinda mirrors the French. The Centurian MkIII and anything above it will kill the ERC-90 but I guess we could go with it as it's a great tank and is used in the area.

162eRI
2009-04-17, 22:49
Good job mate looks good imo.
P.S if you also need help with this faction PM 163, and tell me what I can do.
Thank you.

For this one, we have all the weapons we want except the recoiless rifle! But we all know someone here who may finish its model LOL
Thank you very much ;)

The Sherman was just a product of quick thinking. (Shermans were used during the Invasion of North Africa, West Africa a bit south of North Africa...you get the point.) I really don't like the idea of using a ERC-90 as the African light tank, it just kinda mirrors the French. The Centurian MkIII and anything above it will kill the ERC-90 but I guess we could go with it as it's a great tank and is used in the area.
Well, I agree with the ERC-90 as French and African factions will get something far too more similar. But again, think of the AML-90.
Heavily used all around, still good enough to kick some ass but not enough to overpower an ERC-90. That's the best and more realistic choice ever. I've looking at all the African pictures of Military Photos website and find no other light tanks.

Anhkhoa
2009-04-18, 00:14
162eRI;995805']Well, I agree with the ERC-90 as French and African factions will get something far too more similar. But again, think of the AML-90.
Heavily used all around, still good enough to kick some ass but not enough to overpower an ERC-90. That's the best and more realistic choice ever. I've looking at all the African pictures of Military Photos website and find no other light tanks.

Ok then whatever you say :grin:
Your the R-Con

eenis
2009-04-18, 04:17
definately go with the FAL as the standard rifle, we gotta have a little fun in PR right? the g3 and ak get boring.

Cheesygoodness
2009-04-19, 23:51
definately go with the FAL as the standard rifle, we gotta have a little fun in PR right? the g3 and ak get boring.

Well considering coding wise I'd assume the G3 and the FN Fal will have nearly the same statistics. Both fire the 7.62mm from a 20 round magazine and are considered battle rifles. In fact (And I can't source you at this time.) The G3 was 'developed' because of the French's unwillingness to give West Germany the license to produce the G1 (An FN Fal variant.)

Regardless it was really question on my part originally. Was there a plan to use the FN Fal without optical sights? I'd only like to see it assuming the model is complete. I'd never suggest that a model be created simply for that purpose when the AK-47 or the G3 could be used in its place.

162eRI
2009-04-20, 01:28
REALITY: The point is no Western African armies are using scopes (except for special military/police forces). Also if you are looking at all the pix you can find and all the documents you can read, African armies are using a lot of paramilitary units and/or commandos units. But don't be fooled, commandos units in African armies are not commandos units like you can find in Occidental armies. They are just more dangerous for the civilians and PW, loyal to their officer that they often put at the head of the country and they of course received better weapons...

The big idea is to make two different "armies" in the same faction ingame. They will look different, the conventional army with the Post-US Vietnam equipment (helmet, green uniforms with some camo equipments, officer with green beret) and the commandos with new equipments (red beret, camo uniforms and even M88 "fritz" helmet if they feet on EoD player class models)
-Ground forces: Officer (AK), Rifleman (AK), Support (RPK), Grenadier (AK & lot of grenades), Engineer (AKs), Medic (AKs), Rifleman AT (RPG), Marksman (AK+scope), Collaborator (AKs)
-Commandos: Officer (G3), Specialist (G3+scope), Rifleman (G3), Support (PKM), Grenadier (AK+UGL), Medic (FAL), Rifleman AT (Karl Gustav), Sniper (Dragunov).

-There will have a lot of Ground Forces Officer kits to take but really few Commandos Officer kits.
-AP mines are allowed and given to many infantry soldiers.
-You will have to pick up the few AA kits placed on the map.
-Some Chinese AK with scope will be available to pick up on some places of the map (China give more and more military equipment to the African countries. We can increase a little the number of scopes in the African army, but we can't give them scopes in the kits as they don't use them)
-No Heavy AT kits. To fight against tanks, you have to find statics AT weapons/recoiless rifle. The point is, France isn't using tanks in Africa, so they don't have to worry that much.

-We have to find something interesting for the armed collaborator to do. Those collaborator are like militia engaged by the army in local ethnic groups favorable to the regime.
For exemple if they died, the faction don't lost tickets as they are civilian engaged in the army and easily replaceable?!


Vehicles
-Pick up armed with: heavy machine gun, mounted AA 20mm canon and recoilless rifle. (reskin + new models for the weapons)
-Land Rover armed with: machine gun and recoilless rifle. (reskin or new model)
-French P4 for technical jeep. (reskin)
-Chinese middle truck for transport or armed with mounted AA 20mm canon. (new model)
-BMR and all the bunch of russian APC/armored vehicles available in PR. (reskin)
-French AML-90. (new model)
-Russian T-55. (reskin)

Aircrafts: African armies get really few aircrafts. They should be almost unrespawnable!
-Alouette (new model)
-Gazelle (reskin) or German BO (new model)
-Puma (new model) or Super Frelon (reskin)
-Mi-24 hind(reskin)
-Old mig (EoD model, reskin)

Anhkhoa
2009-04-20, 01:41
162eRI;997723']REALITY:
The big idea is to make two different "armies" in the same faction ingame. They will look different, the conventional army with the Post-US Vietnam equipment (helmet, green uniforms with some camo equipments, officer with green beret) and the commandos with new equipments (red beret, camo uniforms and even M88 "fritz" helmet if they feet on EoD player class models)
-Ground forces: Officer (AK), Rifleman (AK), Support (RPK), Grenadier (AK & lot of grenades), Engineer (AKs), Medic (AKs), Rifleman AT (RPG), Marksman (AK+scope), Collaborator (AKs)
-Commandos: Officer (G3), Specialist (G3+scope), Rifleman (G3), Support (PKM), Grenadier (AK+UGL), Medic (FAL), Rifleman AT (Karl Gustav), Sniper (Dragunov).

Vehicles
-Pick up armed with: heavy machine gun, mounted AA 20mm canon and recoilless rifle. (reskin + new models for the weapons)
-Land Rover armed with: machine gun and recoilless rifle. (reskin or new model)
-French P4 for technical jeep. (reskin)
-Chinese middle truck for transport or armed with mounted AA 20mm canon. (new model)
-BMR and all the bunch of russian APC/armored vehicles available in PR. (reskin)
-French AML-90. (new model)
-Russian T-55. (reskin)



That totally contradicted everything you have said in the before post......
Most of us were hoping the FN Fal would be the main weapon for this faction. Most factions have a particular weapon only for them.
Brits : L85
US Army : M4
US Marine Corp : M16A4
Peoples Liberation Army : QBZ-95
Russian Army : AK-74M
Chechan Militia : AK-47
Taliban : AK-74
Going for mostly AKs, few G3s, and one FN Fal wouldn't make the faction that unique. It would just be a altered PR v0.8 Militia that are pawns for the French.

Aircrafts: African armies get really few aircrafts. They should be almost unrespawnable!
-Alouette (new model)
-Gazelle (reskin) or German BO (new model)
-Puma (new model) or Super Frelon (reskin)
-Mi-24 hind(reskin)
-Old mig (EoD model, reskin

New mission for the French, much like how Big Red on insurgency heads directly for the Coalition main to take out 50+ tickets, the French send in a squad and snipe the planes with HATs and LATs...

162eRI
2009-04-20, 01:58
That totally contradicted everything you have said in the before post......
Most of us were hoping the FN Fal would be the main weapon for this faction. Most factions have a particular weapon only for them.

I know, I know, but really the FAL isn't used at all. I said that at first because I thought it was used...
I gave one to the medic just because everybody, me first, want it.
The G3 is used by many African countries.
Don't forget that they don't have military industries (except for Northen African countries and South Africa) and they only use what they can buy, means not that much modern... The AK is the African number one rifle!

Going for mostly AKs, few G3s, and one FN Fal wouldn't make the faction that unique. It would just be a altered PR v0.8 Militia that are pawns for the French.
Well, it's exactly what it is!
After speaking with some French Foreign Legion soldiers, African armies are kind of militia! Some of the countries over there, mostly old English colonies, get good armies (they can send troops for the UN peacekeaping op. for exemples!). But mostly, they are not, they have bad or old equipment and have bad officers with no training.

I will post some pix this week.
By the way, we should, if everything going fine, do 2 other factions. Altered PR v0.8 Rebells that are pawns for the French: Tchad Rebells and Somalian Rebells/Pirates.

Cheesygoodness
2009-04-20, 08:00
162eRI;997737']I know, I know, but really the FAL isn't used at all. I said that at first because I thought it was used...
I gave one to the medic just because everybody, me first, want it.
The G3 is used by many African countries.
Don't forget that they don't have military industries (except for Northen African countries and South Africa) and they only use what they can buy, means not that much modern... The AK is the African number one rifle!

See thats understandable, Though I admit I've found one or two West African countries that use the weapon. Honestly I've seen less of the G3 then the FN Fal. Sierra Leone it appears definitely uses the FN Fal. If you could supply what countries exactly are planned for the GGO then it would eliminate a lot of the confusion.

(Articles with photographic proof of the FN Fal in use in Sierra Leone.)
» Monday links 3/2/09 Drugs, Law and Conflict (http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/drugsandconflict/2009/03/02/monday-links-3209/)
BBC News | AFRICA | Sierra Leone hostage talks 'going well' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/909045.stm)
MWC News - A Site Without Borders - - Taylor boycotts Hague trial (http://mwcnews.net/content/view/14901/51/)

I am also aware the Nigerian forces use the FN Fal which is a part of West Africa. I don't fully comprehend what this faction is from what you planned. Initially you stated it would be a conventional force if there equipment was a bit dated, however from how you stated your last comment that suddenly they won't be using optics and that a weapon that is in use in the area isn't in use.

I understand this is still in the development stages and thats why I am trying to give you decent backed up information, however you've shifted from the beginning plan to a more insurgent based force.

I don't mean to sound rude but it sounds like your not really looking into the current situation. Which is actually really understandable as you've done an amazing job and are still working on the French forces themselves and I don't expect superheros out of you guys.

I'll suggest before people get snippy or snide you remember that these guys have done amazing work getting to where they are now with the French forces and the fact they are undertaking another faction is more then a bit demanding.

And before you get put off by peoples comments 162 the way you presented it in your original post suggests its a coalition of armies even if using dated equipment they are still organized into an actual conventional force.

162eRI;983603']The OGG is like the MEC, a non existent faction made of different forces all around Western African countries. Mostly old French and English colonies.

To make a long story short, one of this country, with at its head a dictator, and its allies invaded its neighbors. They are now threatening the other countries around the Guinean Gulf to become part of their OGG.

So basically because I am getting really good at posting rather long comments on the topic.

Before we can get into more details and provide assistance or feedback as was suggest, a firmer grip on what exactly the force is going to -be- needs to be sorted out.

162eRI
2009-04-20, 09:52
Well, like you say, we are still in the early development stages for this faction!
When I said the OGG was like the MEC, it was, and you can read it on the quote, because it was a non existent faction made of different forces all around Western African countries.
Because we can't and don't have the time to say which country is the OGG, we prefered to make an unrealistic faction made of different fictional states like the MEC is in BF (who can say me which states are in the MEC faction?)

See thats understandable, Though I admit I've found one or two West African countries that use the weapon. Honestly I've seen less of the G3 then the FN Fal. Sierra Leone it appears definitely uses the FN Fal. If you could supply what countries exactly are planned for the GGO then it would eliminate a lot of the confusion.
I am also aware the Nigerian forces use the FN Fal which is a part of West Africa. I don't fully comprehend what this faction is from what you planned. Initially you stated it would be a conventional force if there equipment was a bit dated, however from how you stated your last comment that suddenly they won't be using optics and that a weapon that is in use in the area isn't in use.

Yes, last week I've checked which country is unsing the Fal and the G3. That's why it's hard to take a decision.
To answer you, the OGG is an coalition army who takes place around the Gulf of Guinea (Western Central Africa). To be more precise, it's borders could be Congo to Nigeria and Centr. Afr. Rep.
I put G3 because it was looking modern and it's prefered my many different African countries. The FAL is not outdated, but less and less countries use it. Thought, it's not up to me and we can switch the G3 for the Fal. But the G3 is already made when the Fal is just a WIP.

I understand this is still in the development stages and thats why I am trying to give you decent backed up information, however you've shifted from the beginning plan to a more insurgent based force.
I don't mean to sound rude but it sounds like your not really looking into the current situation. Which is actually really understandable as you've done an amazing job and are still working on the French forces themselves and I don't expect superheros out of you guys.

Well, my bad, as getting this faction is quiet hard because it's an unrealistic faction.
Also, you did the job and give a really decent backed up informations! That's why I posted all of this to see you reactions, if I make something wrong or not realistic and what you think.
Thank you ;)

the way you presented it in your original post suggests its a coalition of armies even if using dated equipment they are still organized into an actual conventional force.

Well, yes it is! It's just you have to see it like an African conventional army. It's different from our Occidental conventional armies!!!
No scopes and poor equipment don't mean you can't be organize and can't be a conventional force! And it don't mean you can't kill ennemies...
But like I said, we can put Chinese scope kits on the ground to pick up. Because we forget that PR is WW3 and we all know that China already started to send more and more equipment to Africa. So what could happen if it was really a new world war?!

Thank you for your help!
I started to get an headache reading and looking at hundreds of pictures LOL (yes, there is a huge thread on Military Photos about the African armies) and don't know what to do anymore. One day I'm sure it will be like this, the second day I find something different LOL and so on...

{UK}Suzeran
2009-04-20, 15:09
i want this faction badder than any other we need to get PR into africa

Anhkhoa
2009-04-20, 22:30
162eRI;997973']

Yes, last week I've checked which country is unsing the Fal and the G3. That's why it's hard to take a decision.
To answer you, the OGG is an coalition army who takes place around the Gulf of Guinea (Western Central Africa). To be more precise, it's borders could be Congo to Nigeria and Centr. Afr. Rep.
I put G3 because it was looking modern and it's prefered my many different African countries. The FAL is not outdated, but less and less countries use it. Thought, it's not up to me and we can switch the G3 for the Fal. But the G3 is already made when the Fal is just a WIP.

FAL ftw. "More Modern" That means its more expensive. And if you truly support what you will say in the post about poor equipment, you will pick the FN Fal. So FN FAL NAOW OR I KILL YOU =D
Now watch Tirak give me an infraction...

Well, my bad, as getting this faction is quiet hard because it's an unrealistic faction.
Also, you did the job and give a really decent backed up informations! That's why I posted all of this to see you reactions, if I make something wrong or not realistic and what you think.
Thank you ;)

The MEC are unrealistic yet they are still in PR. Whose to say that South Africa and France didn't teamed up to eliminate the threat supported by China in WW3 and under such threat North/West Africa made a coalition

Well, yes it is! It's just you have to see it like an African conventional army. It's different from our Occidental conventional armies!!!
No scopes and poor equipment don't mean you can't be organize and can't be a conventional force! And it don't mean you can't kill ennemies...
But like I said, we can put Chinese scope kits on the ground to pick up. Because we forget that PR is WW3 and we all know that China already started to send more and more equipment to Africa. So what could happen if it was really a new world war?!

Poor but supported by China. If they were that worthless China wouldn't be helping them in the 1'st place. They would concentrate on there own war machine to combat the US and GB. And why can't we just say, for the fun of it and in the long run, the GGOF formed a command structure much like the USSR except better thought out.

Thank you for your help!
I started to get an headache reading and looking at hundreds of pictures LOL (yes, there is a huge thread on Military Photos about the African armies) and don't know what to do anymore. One day I'm sure it will be like this, the second day I find something different LOL and so on...
Thank You =D

Too sum it up...
FN Fal > G3 Both economicly and fun factor
The GGOF shouldn't SO poor as China is helping them.

Hauteclocque
2009-05-21, 14:40
I was bored so I drew this up for you guys.
Guinean Gulf Organisation Forces Design Plan (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pxiICpE9LT35x0816OMlfTQ&hl=en)
Go back to this topic :
First, thanks you very much for your work Anhkhoa.
Unfortunately, I have already made a design plan for the faction, but your work on the geometries from EoD will be very useful.
Some changes from your spreadsheet :
-Using the Rebel geometries for the pilot : African countries often hire mercenaries from Eastern Europe. These were Bulgarian pilots who killed French soldiers in Ivory Coast with Mi-24 Hind.
-Replacing GLTD (what you call green binoculars) by standard binoculars, I don't think that they could have such a modern equipment even if they are supported by China.

NB : Never forget that we are really busy with French Forces and making the GGOF doesn't mean for us to spend too much time.

In a first time, we will pick the weapons already done in PR, then maybe we could make our own models.
So, I don't think that chosing the FN MAG is a good idea, unless ADF Forces plan to make it, but according to their desgn plan, they will use MINIMI as LMG. I think we'd better take the PKM or the RPK 74.
It's the same case with the PSG1 which is not used in Western Africa and also for the Springfield. I know that these countries use old weapons but not the Springfield.

Here is the design plan I've made, it needs some fixes :
OGG Forces Design Plan (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pGK79cTKZlMkeAjMak8MDfw)

single.shot (nor)
2009-05-21, 20:50
The Type 56, is the v0.8 AK... ie impossible to hit with (due to lame vBF2-made sights, not shooting in general) and is Chinese... i suggest changing it to the G3... or the PR AKM w/o the bayonette or converted into AK-47 (other reciever) or the FAL / FAL para
you are going to give the a SUIT sight, or if not, what?

to represent Chinese support, u can have the Chinese Hand Grenade, instead of the WW2 one.


The Medic can have a Folding-stock FAL....


i made a spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rode3zoJGhzkLRm5pBYydcA)

Anhkhoa
2009-05-23, 13:58
Your the boss..
Its your mod, you can use that if you want.
I just want FALs so bad.

Hauteclocque
2009-05-23, 14:02
We are the bosses but we can't be not realistic *seeing the mod title*8)
Don't worry we will use the FAL, but we need an answer from exec_4_ever who has already done this model and also the Colt pistol.

single.shot (nor)
2009-05-23, 17:02
haute, do you think a FAL para model would suit the style of the OGG? if so, as EXEC to make one, as the only difference is a folding stock and shorter muzzle, you can use it for carbine-demanding classes such as engineer, H-AT or crewmen

Hauteclocque
2009-05-23, 17:06
I think it's a good alternative. But I still think the crewman must have a shorter gun like MP5 or even uzi.

single.shot (nor)
2009-05-23, 17:14
a crewman should perhaps get a Colt 1911, for variety (also its an awesomely cool gun)

Hauteclocque
2009-05-23, 17:15
By the way, your link to the spreadsheet doesn't work.
you have to publish the spreadsheet and give us the public link if you want to show it.:wink:

single.shot (nor)
2009-05-23, 17:21
oh, here it is fixed link! (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rode3zoJGhzkLRm5pBYydcA)

WilsonPL
2009-05-23, 18:30
replace mi24 with MI8 with rocekt pods..
more variety and easier to do

162eRI
2009-07-12, 13:30
Update: some light reskin and kits work on EoD models by Doctor & Hauteclocque.

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6030/screen073f.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/116/screen075.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5599/screen077z.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3593/screen076r.jpg

Lot of works left to do!!! But they are looking really similar to Western African soldiers!

Panzerfire
2009-07-12, 15:36
162eRI;1082239']
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5599/screen077z.jpg


Malcom X?

I swear that player model looks almost identical to him :mrgreen: Must be the glasses :razz:

Looking cool.

I know it's still WIP but watch that last pic... Crewman has the US Army 1st Calvary Divison patch. ;) Make sure to get rid of it.

Tonnie
2009-07-12, 15:38
coz 1 is just never enough....

WilsonPL
2009-07-12, 15:43
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5210/oggsoldier.jpg
Reskin this part to black so it would look like a regular boot.
You should replace someof the glasses with the ones you can see in my signature :P


* And i beg you, dont use this supply truck ! [Reskinned US one] use something else

Even this one is better (reskin, add canvas on the back)
http://idf.blacksandstudio.com/images/media/render/1/15_12.jpg -> [mod part of usi]

And its used in Africa:
WarWheels.Net- M325 Commandcar Nun-Nun Patrol Vehicle/Weapons Carrier Index (http://www.warwheels.net/M325CommandcarINDEX.html)
Military-Vehicles: M325 Command Car? (http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/00-02/0356.html)


Also i noticed that you used African Union logo in you OGG emblem:
http://img7.imagevenue.com/loc811/th_43962_OGG9_122_811lo.jpg
File:Logo of the African Union.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_of_the_African_Union.png)
im not sure if its ok.


Anyway good work on both factions, !

Anhkhoa
2009-07-12, 15:59
i can haz see FAL pl0x?


Ontopic

When you do the reskins, be sure to get the helmets because those are now Vietnam Era helmets and the ones in the pics of the OP are WW2 Era and don't have camo.

Also, would it possible for you guys to redo the face? Perhaps a bit darker and with no beard?
The beard makes him look like a Westerner...

http://www.stockphotography.co.uk/Upload/Stock/Watermarked/11438.jpg

162eRI
2009-07-12, 17:36
Of course be sure we know they are early wips! We have to do the skin: like black boots, green helmet (WW2 and Vietnam helmet are the same in shape), no Vietnam patch and so on...

Also, would it possible for you guys to redo the face? Perhaps a bit darker and with no beard?
The beard makes him look like a Westerner...
You should replace someof the glasses with the ones you can see in my signature :P
We will try! Thanks for the feed back ;)

* And i beg you, dont use this supply truck ! [Reskinned US one] use something else
Well, yes, but it means a new model to make! We don't have time for now to do that.
We could model South African Samil 20 truck (http://imcdb.org/images/016/468.jpg), French VLRA truck (http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3264/15135694ub0.jpg) or other old French military trucks or some Iveco/French whatever (http://www.africom.mil/file.asp?HR=1&ID=20090626145039) civilian trucks.
Or if you prefer we can reskin the Russian Gaz Truck:
http://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/510402/highRes/58032/-/maxw/600/-/7cylb6z/-/Ethiopia.jpg

For the APC I just thaught of the WMZ-551 (http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/605/94545434px6.jpg)! Just need to reskin it!!!

WilsonPL
2009-07-12, 18:11
what about this one: http://idf.blacksandstudio.com/images/media/render/1/15_12.jpg

it needs good texture ..

162eRI
2009-07-12, 18:29
Yes, this one as well! Once reskin, I can see it mounted with a nice AA 20mm canon. We can give to the faction several trucks.

steve_06-07
2009-07-24, 15:20
Concerning the use of Hinds in west African countries. Plus this some of these also use Mig-21s and several use Mi-8 Transport helis.
Senegal: 2 Mi-24s
Guinea: 2 Mi-24s
Mali: 2 Mi-24s

WilsonPL
2009-07-24, 16:20
eod mod have nice MIG-21 model you should use it :P
and as i said before mi17 w rockets > MI24 ; )

HughJass
2009-07-25, 05:14
i can haz see FAL pl0x?


Ontopic

When you do the reskins, be sure to get the helmets because those are now Vietnam Era helmets and the ones in the pics of the OP are WW2 Era and don't have camo.

Also, would it possible for you guys to redo the face? Perhaps a bit darker and with no beard?
The beard makes him look like a Westerner...

http://www.stockphotography.co.uk/Upload/Stock/Watermarked/11438.jpg

I don't see anything wrong...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3654/3496416123_5f0680b256.jpg?v=0

Anhkhoa
2009-07-25, 05:41
I don't see anything wrong...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3654/3496416123_5f0680b256.jpg?v=0

France = West
Guinea = Africa

They look different

HughJass
2009-07-25, 06:01
France = West
Guinea = Africa

They look different

it was a joke, as the picture combines both the french forces and the silly glasses guinean GOF

Glimmerman
2009-07-25, 07:10
This guy would make a wicked Squad Leader

http://www.nieuwsdossier.nl/image/6a01a749677440d44c26c3294839554f.jpg

Anhkhoa
2009-07-25, 07:35
Glimmerman;1093545']This guy would make a wicked Squad Leader

http://www.nieuwsdossier.nl/image/6a01a749677440d44c26c3294839554f.jpg

+1000

Epic win..

D-JHappyMeal
2009-08-01, 14:15
Hey guys, i think we can add insurgency to these kind of maps. Because of the latest shizzle going on in Nigeria, some dawgs wanna have Taliban like structure, might wanna give it a try....
Nigeria has oil, and theire one of the better develpoed countries in Africa, so better guns than the insurgents is possible.

thecoolj85
2009-08-01, 16:59
for the jeep how about the uaz?

http://www.aviapress.com/engl/mwh/mwh3508.jpg
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/08/Ten-Russian-UAZ469.jpg

aperson444
2009-08-01, 18:32
Don't forget technicals!

Some countries in Africa have amalgamated technicals with a DshK MG into their conventional forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Technical_Liberia.jpg

It would be cool to add a paramilitary side-faction as well. I would avoid arming them completely with AKs. Maybe unique to African Insurgent/OPFOR factions, add a class called 'Scout' armed with a hunting rifle, a few smokes and grenades, a few explosives.

Perhaps instead of generic AA, they would have Technicals with ZPUs on them. Just transport choppers, not attack.

Al-Mualim
2009-08-07, 18:36
You guys rock seriously.

AfterDune
2009-08-14, 11:49
This faction has grown into a stand-alone faction now: African Resistance Fighters - Project Reality Forums (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f391-african-resistance-fighters)

HangMan_
2009-08-14, 21:59
This would be a great faction to have in PR. I think we need a new OPFOR.

aperson444
2009-08-22, 17:57
How about a rebel-rebel thing? Maybe a West African Army vs an Islamic Mujaheddin, except not insurgency mode, but AAS (like the Chechens). To the North there are some Berber rebels, that would make a good Desert-map addition. I was sorta looking forward to camel-mounted riflemen :D.

We have to worry about the primary rifle they use. The FN FAL sounds good for both the Opfor and the "Blufor". I think that the Opfor aka the "Bad Guys" should use mostly technicals, maybe even a BMP-1. They should also, like Insurgents have a whole bunch of spawn points, or Camps. The Camp would replace a forward outpost, and could have all the goods that US or UK has, except AA. Maybe a trench system instead of foxholes? The HMG could be an RPK, and instead of AA, maybe there could be an AT missile (one of those mounted RPGs?).

As for the Northwest African "Bad Guys", I'd see some semiautomatic rifle in use and a few AKs, but they may have IEDs.

MAINERROR
2009-08-23, 11:30
The design plan is up already. You can discuss the design plan in this topic (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f391-african-resistance-fighters/65521-faction-feedback.html). ;)