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Rhino
2008-06-08, 06:41
Over the past few months we have been giving out small hints of the US Army coming to Project Reality but we have been keeping the details under wraps. Today we have the first part of a large update for Project Reality's US Army. That's right its official, the US Army is coming with the Project Reality v0.8 release!

In the past we have been doing a little bit of "mix and match" with the US assets in Project Reality, mixing US Army and USMC scenarios and weapons. For PR v0.8 there will be an official split, with the US Army using their own unique weapons and vehicles.

We are starting this update with the much awaited M4 Carbine, which is the standard issue rifle of the US Army. Newly added developer [R-DEV]Chuc has recently completed all variants. [R-DEV]Chuc has also been really cracking out loads of other excellent skins as well which we know you will all love (look for dev journal entries on this coming soon). The model and import for the M4 was done by [R-DEV]Katarn who also did the M16A4 models and imports. The texture was a joint effort between Millenia, [R-DEV]Vaiski, [R-DEV]Qwerty and [R-DEV]Chuc.


http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m4_render_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m4_render.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m4_acog_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m4_acog.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m4_iron_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m4_iron.jpg)


In all these screens you will probably have noticed the new Digital ACU Camo on the solider model, which is the standard combat uniform of the US Army. These skins were done by [R-CON]Spush. They blend quite well into the terrain and surroundings at a distance! [R-CON]Spush has done work on several other soldier skins included that have already been included into PR v0.75. He's currently touching up Militia uniforms and updating US vehicle skins.


http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/army_acu01_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/army_acu01.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/army_acu02_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/army_acu02.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/army_acu03_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/army_acu03.jpg)


Next up is one of the US Army's APCs (Armored Personel Carrier), The M1126 Stryker. The Stryker is an eight-wheeled, all-wheel-drive, all terrain vehicle which is used by light and mobile mechanized infantry units of the US Army. The Stryker is equipped with an RWS which means the 50cal gunner can sit inside the safety of the Stryker's armor while using the 50.cal MG. The Stryker's model and skin was done by retardedmonkey (http://www.mikebrainard.com/). The Import has been done by [R-DEV]Stinger. The vehicle coding is currently being done by [R-DEV]Jaymz.


http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m1126_stryker01_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m1126_stryker01.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m1126_stryker02_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m1126_stryker02.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m1126_stryker03_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m1126_stryker03.jpg)


With the help of USI (http://usi.blacksandstudio.com) we have finally replaced the infamous vBF2 "beach party" open back HMMWV with a much more appropriate battle-ready model. Although its not as well equipped as current day HMMWV's as seen in Iraq, it provides more protection and is more authentic than the stock BF2 hummer. This updated HMMWV will be used by both the USMC and the US Army. The model, import and coding was done by jarleif and textures done by petemonster from the USI mod. We may add an even more realistic, heavily protected HMMWV model in a future update.


http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m998_hmmwv01_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m998_hmmwv01.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m998_hmmwv02_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m998_hmmwv02.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/thumbs/m998_hmmwv03_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m998_hmmwv03.jpg)


We hope you enjoyed the first part of the US Army update, keep an eye on the Project Reality Website & Forums for the next part and also other information on upcoming changes for PR v0.8!

- The Project Reality Team

azn_chopsticks_boi
2008-06-08, 06:45
Nice update, looking forward for the other updates since this is "Update Part 1".

Rambo Hunter
2008-06-08, 06:52
HOOAH!

OkitaMakoto
2008-06-08, 07:03
Alright! :P

I think I might be in one of those pictures...but Rhin0 probably cut me out :P

Rhino
2008-06-08, 07:14
OkitaMakoto;694812']Alright! :P

I think I might be in one of those pictures...but Rhin0 probably cut me out :P

http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/m1126_stryker02.jpg

your on the right behind the box crouched down :p

I also didn't do the pics, slick did and please just call me Rhino, the only reason why my ingame name is [R-DEV]Rhin0 is because the stupid BF2 account system wouldn't let me make a account called [R-DEV]Rhino for w/e reason... :roll:

ratlover232
2008-06-08, 07:14
Very nice!

Polka
2008-06-08, 08:33
Really awesome, cant wait for part 2 :p

[T]waylay00
2008-06-08, 09:00
Wow! This looks tight!

It's ironic that I was watching TV today, and I noticed the ACU. I was thinking, "I wonder if that will be in PR anytime soon, since that's all I pretty much see in Iraq combat footage?" Sure enough, here's the update!

Great work.

Dunehunter
2008-06-08, 09:02
Nah okita, you're the one taking a dump in a corner.

Masaq
2008-06-08, 09:39
You can see me any my M14 twice :D

Outlawz7
2008-06-08, 09:55
I think I'll switch Christianity for PR as my new deity

RustyBandSaw
2008-06-08, 09:55
SEXY!

Brummy
2008-06-08, 10:03
Schmexy.

Reddish Red
2008-06-08, 10:16
Very very nice, good to see the stryker.

SuperTimo
2008-06-08, 10:26
should be intersting on kashan, a carbine vs a battle rifle :) will require lots of new tactics and the stryker with a 50cal will be interesting rather than a cannn. Nice work.

Is ejod getting US army? and will this M4 replace the marines Spec Ops one?

Rhino
2008-06-08, 10:35
should be intersting on kashan, a carbine vs a battle rifle :) will require lots of new tactics and the stryker with a 50cal will be interesting rather than a cannn. Nice work.

Is ejod getting US army? and will this M4 replace the marines Spec Ops one?

for balance sake we will make it almost as accurate as a Assault Rifle, thou not quite and yes, our M4 will replace the vBF2 M4.

Maxfragg
2008-06-08, 10:39
really sad, i hoped on some differnece, symetric balance isn't everything and i really think they should be more different than the M16A4 than just in the look.

but nevermind its a great update

Rhino
2008-06-08, 10:43
really sad, i hoped on some differnece, symetric balance isn't everything and i really think they should be more different than the M16A4 than just in the look.

but nevermind its a great update

it will be, I said almost but since the M4 has a much higher rate of fire and a few other things it will not be as accurate ;)

ZaZZo
2008-06-08, 10:44
Was hoping to get the Aimpoints instead of the ironsighted M4's to make up for them being, well, M4's :p

Aweosme update, the Stryker looks like it could drive out of my monitor and bite me in the butt :D

Maxfragg
2008-06-08, 11:10
there is also an aimpoint, did you not see it, but some times back they also said that there will be a eotech version, this one and a M4/M203 and the M16A4/M203 are still missing, but lets wait for the next update and hope that all Armys will get grenadier rifles with optics in 0.8

markonymous
2008-06-08, 11:12
nice

bosco_
2008-06-08, 11:13
Guys, Part 1 :D

mazur mikola
2008-06-08, 11:13
wow!!!!
this is awesom
cant wait dor next part
i cant imagin what you all doing in nrxt part

CareBear
2008-06-08, 11:23
arr was a fun night :P

ZaZZo
2008-06-08, 11:25
there is also an aimpoint, did you not see it

Ah, I see it now :)

I was hoping for the support classes (engineer, medic)) to get an aimpoint on thier carbines instead of the ironsights in the screenshots.

But I'll wait and see, and as Bosco said:

Guys, Part 1 :D

:)

Hitperson
2008-06-08, 11:51
will we be seeing a return of the mk12mod0?? for the US army??

Top_Cat_AxJnAt
2008-06-08, 11:53
The M4 and Stryker are absolutely top notch but i feel, regarding the images showing the M4 on Kashan Desert, it would be inappropriate of me not to ......



Carbine Rifles


Important: Carbines in Project Reality are "zeroed" at 100m. With the BF2 engine this means that you will only have to compensate for the bullets trajectory at distances greater than this.



and thus THE END OF G3 BASHING


If you still dont follow, Kashan Desert has a view distance of 800m, you regularly spot your enemy at 300/400m. With the G3 and M16 it is just about possible to hit somebody at that distance but with the new M4....no chance mate! M14 and that 50cal on the Stryker are going to be in ludicrously high demand.

LekyIRL
2008-06-08, 11:59
Great update guys! Loads of smexy stuff :D

Scot
2008-06-08, 12:14
Awesome stuff! I wanna be a tester :( lol but very nice work, and can't wait for this :)

Viper5
2008-06-08, 12:15
You guys realize "zeroed" and "effective range" are two very different things? If its beyond your zeroed distance, you just have to aim up to compensate for gravity.

Swe_Olsson
2008-06-08, 12:17
i belive im the guy with a hat + reloading

Deadfast
2008-06-08, 12:20
So the Humvee is now completely closed?

That's great, now we just need to do something with the PLA's Nanjing family van :D

Scot
2008-06-08, 13:03
Which maps will US army be on? Cos I would like to see em on Hills of Hamygong(if its not being taken out) as it may suit them.. not to sure though...

KingLorre
2008-06-08, 13:05
if the US army is getting the stryker, what will the MEC counter part be then? caus the BTR has a 30mm cannon.

Duke
2008-06-08, 13:07
Yay im in those pics, but only as a measly .50 gunner. I have a feeling that i may take a more prominent role in the next update... :p

@ kinglorre, The BTR can chew through that striker in no time. Strikers only got a .50 after all.

ZaZZo
2008-06-08, 13:10
Will the USA get Bradleys with TOW's on them then? :D

Ghost1800
2008-06-08, 13:24
if the US army is getting the stryker, what will the MEC counter part be then? caus the BTR has a 30mm cannon.

I'm kind of wondering the same thing.

Maxfragg
2008-06-08, 13:25
;-) i would say the USI Bradley is a hot candidate for part 2 of this update

Rudd
2008-06-08, 13:26
I was hoping the armoured up hummer would make it to 0.8, ahh well.

Can't wait to try it out. :D

LtSoucy
2008-06-08, 13:29
I love you guys, looks great. Just maybe add different versions of the Stryker in later versions.

Salah ad Din
2008-06-08, 13:38
one question: how many RPG hits for a stryker?

Panzerfire
2008-06-08, 13:42
Holy sweetness! US Army for PR! :D
The ACU on the soldiers looks awesome. Oh wait.... the badge on their shoulders... THE 3rd INFANTRY DIVISION!!! YAY!!!!

The Stryker looks like pretty fun to drive with.

Rhino
2008-06-08, 13:43
one question: how many RPG hits for a stryker?

You can expect it to be around the same as any other APC in PR.

G.Drew
2008-06-08, 14:06
this is going to be interesting, since the US Army is getting the stryker, which is armed with a .50cal, and yet the MEC is armed with and BTR-90 with a 30mm gun?

Ragni<RangersPL>
2008-06-08, 14:09
(O.O)

OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!!

(speechless)

Polka
2008-06-08, 14:09
The stryker will be against light aromored vehicles and infantry ? :p


At G. Drew that is

Rhino
2008-06-08, 14:19
this is going to be interesting, since the US Army is getting the stryker, which is armed with a .50cal, and yet the MEC is armed with and BTR-90 with a 30mm gun?

Have you even tried the beta build / done any testing? I would expected a tester to have looked around at what was in there then it would become pretty clear on how its going to work... :roll:

Spike
2008-06-08, 14:21
looking good guys, all we need now is the SAS for the brits and we are well away :)

darkNight
2008-06-08, 14:28
I was hoping the armoured up hummer would make it to 0.8, ahh well.

Can't wait to try it out. :D
Yeah.. hoped that, too. But it's cool anyway.

But there's one point I can't understand? Does the US Army still use those 'triangle-signs" (as you can see on that Humvee pic)?? I think not..?

This new ACU camo is really awesome... would love to see some of those guys on middle-east/desert maps like EJOD etc. ;)

=Romagnolo=
2008-06-08, 14:42
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet³

Dosedmonkey
2008-06-08, 15:06
Nice. :D

jayceon515
2008-06-08, 15:08
This new ACU camo is really awesome... would love to see some of those guys on middle-east/desert maps like EJOD etc. ;)

Personally I would rather see them on Basrah TBH.

I seriously hope Stryker is getting a new skin in the future b/c I haven't seen a desert camo Stryker yet and this is supposed to be a realism mod. Such an awesome vehicle with a wrong texture.

I love the M4. Which kit is getting M68 and which iron sights?
Probably my second favourite faction in the mod. Can't wait:D

hall0
2008-06-08, 15:28
Realy nice update :D

But i dont like the Stryker. Compared with the other vehicles it doesnt look so good as usal.

agentscar
2008-06-08, 15:40
AWESOME!!!

Everything looks amazing!

can't wait to get my hands on that M4 and Stryker!

:D

G.Drew
2008-06-08, 15:54
Rhino;694988']Have you even tried the beta build / done any testing? I would expected a tester to have looked around at what was in there then it would become pretty clear on how its going to work... :roll:

:fryingpan ma bad

hawKKK
2008-06-08, 16:09
I wanted to reply HOOAH! but as I'm german i reply with:

Horrido Joho!

Gunwing
2008-06-08, 16:19
Um....... The US Army SF only uses the M4 Carbine, the US Army as a whole uses both the M4 Carbine, and the M16A4 just like the Marines do.

Just because you see it that way on TV dose not make it so. Plus the US Army SF hate the M4 Carbien and are looking at the Scar 11 the Navy Seals use.

But other then that great update! At leat we will have a better looking M4! Black FTW!

Another thing of note is all US Army Strikers have stock green paint, no camo. Think WW2 Sherman colors and you will get what I mean.

BT WI hope the Striker is not OP like it was in Desert Combat where it could take 120mm tank rounds and keep going, It should stand up well to IEDs, but a tank round or RPG should smack it up good.

BTW any chance the Striker with the gate stuff on it to protect agenst RPGs will make the final cut?

Rambo Hunter
2008-06-08, 16:43
The Army use the M4 as their main rifle, with some M16A2s for use in training and possibly very limited use in combat/non-combat units.

(SOCOM guys use the M4A1, the full--auto variant of the M4)

Defiyur
2008-06-08, 17:03
This is very cool stuff. Only pt 1 eh? Wow, I admire your dedication to authenticness & "reality". Can't say the same for most other games. Anyway The army will be on kashan and kashan has a 800 meter view distance? So the m4 carbine what is it generally "zeroed" to IRL & what is it's effective range? Also that Styker is very nice but I do remember most of them I've seen photos of have the anti RPG cage, maybe that could be tacked on last minute and just take RPGs off the map since they would not be effective anyway. Keep the ATGMs of course. I hope you will implement that modified eryx that somebody did. It was REALLY a superb mimic of the RL item. It would be a shame not to put that in. Anyway I look forward to pt2.

Gunwing
2008-06-08, 17:59
Thanks for the info correction and not getting mad. I never new that I thought they used the same stuff as the USMC. Oh well I may be outa date on that kind of info then lol!

But I hope that we get some good US Army only weapons. and maybe some better guns and a new M1A2SEP model as well. The current one lacks the Urban Survival kit that the US Army is fielding right now in combat. Explosive reactive armor for the side armor near the treads, remote 50.cal Turret for the tank commader, and last but not least the blast shield for the secondary gun seat for the M240/SAW weapon. They use the right model in BF:BC so we should use the same model as well IMO.

It's the same thing the Germans did with their Leopard 2A2 model. Remote MG3, and reactive armor on the sides to keep RPGs away from the treads. It makes the tank that much stronger, and also keeps the crew safe.

Last But Not least I hope this means the A10 will make a come back! As well as the M1A2 Bradly with side and rear mounted M16A3s for the crew. The last thing needed would be a new skin for the BlackHawk and it's removal from all USMC maps,a dn replaced with the UH-1Y Huey. BTW are you going to fix the name of the Huey? They use the Y model now not the A model you have it named ingame.

Bernt
2008-06-08, 18:05
Yes!:D

hall0
2008-06-08, 18:21
Last But Not least I hope this means the A10 will make a come back! ingame.

Why a comebacl. Was it ever away? The A10 is still on Kashan.:wink:

Spush
2008-06-08, 18:28
Very nice stryker

Fabryz
2008-06-08, 18:46
Stryker http://forumtgmonline.futuregamer.it/images/smilies/sbav.gif

Paperchase
2008-06-08, 19:12
Anyone think the ACU sleeves on the first-person model are a bit inaccurate? The pixels, I believe are a bit large.

nicoX
2008-06-08, 19:26
US Army is a huge thing. Hope you got the best aspects covered.

Jarhead[NL]
2008-06-08, 19:28
Keep up the good work!

maverick551
2008-06-08, 20:18
I think I may just start crying.

RustyBandSaw
2008-06-08, 20:35
will we be seeing a return of the mk12mod0?? for the US army??

I doubt that, the Mk. 12 is more of a Special Operations weapon.

It would nice to see the M110 though.

A CRITIQUE ON THE SOLDIER SKINS

Shouldn't there be an American flag, in full color, on the right shoulder?

Tomato-Rifle
2008-06-08, 20:49
AWSOME!

Omg i cant wait!

:D

Ironcomatose
2008-06-08, 20:57
I doubt that, the Mk. 12 is more of a Special Operations weapon.

It would nice to see the M110 though.

A CRITIQUE ON THE SOLDIER SKINS

Shouldn't there be an American flag, in full color, on the right shoulder?

No its actually the color of the camo. Thats how all countries do it now, to not break the effectiveness of the camo with a bright flag.

On the subject of the skin, the soldiers boots are WAY to white/bright. As you can see in this pic(http://www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/2006/CSA-2006-07-25-084823.jpg) the boots should be "desert tan" color.

EDIT: Oh and BTW there is no such thing as an "M1A2" or "M1 anything" Bradley. The Bradley's military designation is "M2" or as the USI rightly has it, M2A2(modern version). Although the US Army may have updated to A3, im not sure.

Spaz
2008-06-08, 21:18
hihi I can see myself, god Im hot...

RustyBandSaw
2008-06-08, 21:26
No its actually the color of the camo. Thats how all countries do it now, to not break the effectiveness of the camo with a bright flag.

I swear I've seen dozens of pictures with the flag in full color on the ACU, but nothing major, it's a minor detail.

EDIT: Oh and BTW there is no such thing as an "M1A2" or "M1 anything" Bradley. The Bradley's military designation is "M2" or as the USI rightly has it, M2A2(modern version). Although the US Army may have updated to A3, im not sure.

Yes, the most current versions of the Bradley is the A3, which came into service earlier this decade.

Bradley Variants:

M2A3 Infantry Fighting Vehicle (most common and applicable to PR, comparable to the Warrior & BMP-3)
M3A3 Cavalry Fighting Vehicle
M6 "Linebacker" Air Defense Vehicle (Yes, the one in game)
M7 Fire Support Vehicle

Ironcomatose
2008-06-08, 21:32
I sworn I've seen dozens of pictures with the flag in full color on the ACU, but nothing major, it's a minor detail.



Yes, the most current versions of the Bradley are as follows:
- M2A3 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
- M3A3 Cavalry Fighting Vehicle

There are also some other variants with specific roles, but the M2 & M3 are the most common.

I believe the A3 line came into service earlier this decade.

Huh, you are right about the flag being full color. Every picture on google shows it. Weird.

Dunehunter
2008-06-08, 21:39
I've seen some with it being grey, but most seem to be colour.

Jaymz
2008-06-08, 21:40
BTW are you going to fix the name of the Huey? They use the Y model now not the A model you have it named ingame.

we're using the UH-1N. The Y variant is still in the early stages of replacing them (FYI, it's part of the same program where all AH-1W's are getting replaced with AH-1Zs).

All in all, to actually call it a "Y" model it would need four blades. Who really cares......

Symplify
2008-06-08, 21:43
That handguard looks really thick...

SGT.JOKER
2008-06-08, 21:44
well its official, i need a new pair of pants

Ironcomatose
2008-06-08, 21:52
That handguard looks really thick...

I thought the same thing when the M16A4 came out but its fine. We are just to used the super thin vBF2 AR-15s. :-)

Hauler
2008-06-08, 22:17
This looks really cool. Can't wait to see more of the goodies. Also will there be fixes for some problems?

Jaymz
2008-06-09, 00:23
Also will there be fixes for some problems?

As in bug fixes? Yeah, tons actually. Hopefully we'll fix more problems than we cause this time :crazy:

Cyrax-Sektor
2008-06-09, 01:37
That digital camo looks great! :D Really exciting news

hx.bjoffe
2008-06-09, 01:59
Hadn't you allready put the USI HMMWV in Kyongan 'Ni some short lapse of time?
Stryker and M4 looks kick ass.
Cool update.

billdan
2008-06-09, 02:10
hmm, most pics of frontline army infantry units ive seen have M4's with a vertical handgrip (if no m203) more often than not

no biggy though, great update

Rhino
2008-06-09, 02:35
Hadn't you allready put the USI HMMWV in Kyongan 'Ni some short lapse of time?
Stryker and M4 looks kick ass.
Cool update.

ye but that was only for a test build and we forgot to remove it :p

If you look at it how ever you will notice its 50.cal is 100% open.

ReadMenace
2008-06-09, 02:47
So uhh.. Appears the M68CCO is standard for the US Army rifleman... Awesome! *wonders if US Army SpecOps is going to get an M4 with ACOG* ;)

-REad

Rhino
2008-06-09, 02:50
the pics you see above with the M4 with a scope ingame are in fact the M4 with ACOG :p

ReadMenace
2008-06-09, 03:05
Rhino;695573']the pics you see above with the M4 with a scope ingame are in fact the M4 with ACOG :p

Indeed, under closer examination you are correct!
<3 Rhino

-REad

[=TC=]nuetron
2008-06-09, 03:33
VERY NICE!

But you should have just said a few words with a vague picture like DCon's:

"The SandSotrm is comming"

You should have shown the ARMY logo and a blury soldier running through it saying,
"Project Reality strong":mrgreen::mrgreen:

I like the Army, but I am going to join the Marines, if only the Army had jets.....*sigh* O well.

Is the A-10 still going to be there? Because that would suck to ruin the whole map by taking out the CAS aircraft just because the forces switch..Also, it says Air Force on the pilot helmets.8)

Fluffywuffy
2008-06-09, 03:40
nuetron;695600']VERY NICE!

But you should have just said a few words with a vague picture like DCon's:

"The SandSotrm is comming"

You should have shown the ARMY logo and a blury soldier running through it saying,
"Project Reality strong":mrgreen::mrgreen:

I like the Army, but I am going to join the Marines, if only the Army had jets.....*sigh* O well.

Is the A-10 still going to be there? Because that would suck to ruin the whole map by taking out the CAS aircraft just because the forces switch..Also, it says Air Force on the pilot helmets.8)

Good Luck with that.
They split flight classes in two
Navigator School
Pilot School or something like that name.

My dad got put into Nav. School.
He then became a Electronic Warfare Officer in the B-52s.

But that was the USAF
<--------------------------------------------------------->

Anyway Nice update. Skins nice. Stryker Awesome. Can't wait to see the Bradley.

jaspercat444
2008-06-09, 03:43
Finally! I can now spawn with an M4! Thank you... So much.

Rhino
2008-06-09, 03:46
nuetron;695600']VERY NICE!

But you should have just said a few words with a vague picture like DCon's:

"The SandSotrm is comming"

DC / DCon is based on the gulf war, PR is not, hence why "sandstorm" is appropriate to them and not for us :roll:

rangedReCon
2008-06-09, 03:46
Great update, mucho love for all involved!:)

Ironcomatose
2008-06-09, 03:47
Rhino;695616']DC / DCon is based on the gulf war, PR is not, hence why "sandstorm" is appropriate to them and not for us :roll:

He was using it as an example :roll:

Fluffywuffy
2008-06-09, 03:50
He was using it as an example :roll:

Though I do wish he'd put more thought and research in his suggestions.

Ironcomatose
2008-06-09, 03:53
Though I do wish he'd put more thought and research in his suggestions.

I dont agree with the suggestion because the more info we get the better(:)) but i get what he is saying and i dont see anything wrong with it. Its just a different way to advertise. Kinda like the first Batman ads(Why so sad?) without any real info or pics. Thats what he meant.

Eddie Baker
2008-06-09, 04:06
As well as the M1A2 Bradly with side and rear mounted M16A3s for the crew.

The M2 Bradley stopped having side firing ports with the M2A2. It now only has two rear firing port weapons which are aimed by tracers.

The M6 Bradley Linebacker was withdrawn from service a few years ago and they have been converted back into M2A2 and A3 Bradley IFVs.

The Mk-12 is finding a home in conventional US Marine rifle squads. As their squad level DMR, the Army just uses modified M4s/M16A4s, M14s, or just regular M4/M16 series weapons fitted with an ACOG and a bipod.

Fluffywuffy
2008-06-09, 04:26
I dont agree with the suggestion because the more info we get the better(:)) but i get what he is saying and i dont see anything wrong with it. Its just a different way to advertise. Kinda like the first Batman ads(Why so sad?) without any real info or pics. Thats what he meant.

Just don't like getting threads of retired airplanes.

Zomg F-117!!!!11111
<------------------------------------------->

I got a title thingy!

"Project Reality..... The Enemy is coming and this time you can't just ban em'"

Ironcomatose
2008-06-09, 04:30
I was wondering, whats up with the color of the Stryker? Isnt it supposed to be green?


http://www.mainandcentral.org/home/mainand/public_html/LAND_Stryker_With_Slats_lg.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker/images/stryker_6.jpg

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/iraq-soldiers-shootout-buhriz-iraq.jpg

Fluffywuffy
2008-06-09, 04:33
I was wondering, whats up with the color of the Stryker? Isnt it supposed to be green?


http://www.mainandcentral.org/home/mainand/public_html/LAND_Stryker_With_Slats_lg.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker/images/stryker_6.jpg

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/iraq-soldiers-shootout-buhriz-iraq.jpg

Good Point, Did google search and saw no Tan/Brown paint

[=TC=]nuetron
2008-06-09, 04:41
Rhino;695616']DC / DCon is based on the gulf war, PR is not, hence why "sandstorm" is appropriate to them and not for us :roll:

I know, DCon is Operation Desert Storm, PR is much closerto Operation Iraqi Freedom.

I am saying, that it should HAVE been in the Update:
the Army picture, along with a blury Army Soldier running and saying something like "The SandStorm is comming"

But more Project Reality/Armyish....like "Project Reality Strong"

to hint at it....where people would think about it and then say to themselves....where have I seen that star before? and than Camo, its blury but ive seent that, then they could have connected the 3 dots and said WTF! US Army is gonna be in PR!

But nevermind...... Still, in 0.8, since people make those DVD covers, this one should be an Army soldier running(replacing the 0.7 MEC) with a Harrier hovering above that.:wink:

USMC[KILLER]
2008-06-09, 05:34
I was wondering, whats up with the color of the Stryker? Isnt it supposed to be green?


http://www.mainandcentral.org/home/mainand/public_html/LAND_Stryker_With_Slats_lg.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker/images/stryker_6.jpg

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/iraq-soldiers-shootout-buhriz-iraq.jpg

Yeah, and aren't the Strykers suppose have a RPG(bird)cage?

Shadow51585
2008-06-09, 06:10
Well, since it's public. :)

I can say that using the Striker is one hell of a great experiance. I was manning the 50 cal in these pics. Heh. Great vehicle in design and utility for some maps, and an absolutley solid addition to PR!

The M4 is a great weapon in-game as well. Good fire rate, accuracy, and very nice in everything I've used it in.

The new Humvee just rocks. No more DICE model. Yay!

EDIT: As has been said, this is only a partial update. :) Many people will be very happy when they get to play the full .08 release for more then what has been posted here. As a player who loves PR, I can assure you this. :D

XxNinjaSinXx
2008-06-09, 06:34
Flag patch are on the wrong side, it should be on the Right side not Left.

As for flag being grayed out, they do have both of them.

Also, most of the Strykers out in the combat zone are primary green not brown.

http://www.arcent.army.mil/cflcc_today/2006/october/images/oct05_10/10_06.jpg


Anyway, I just got done with watching Cloverfield last night and I thought this was a cool Army National Guard scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0LknHJ6e4A

RustyBandSaw
2008-06-09, 06:36
Regarding the Stryker Color Scheme

Most of the pictures you will see, the Stryker has a solid Olive or Black finnish. This is due to the Stryker Bridages currently being based only out of woodland area bases; Washington, Alaska, South Korea, Germany, etc. I am sure, once the vehicle is completely integrated into the Army's service in the future (specifically the Future Combat Systems program), the camo schemes will change and vary.

Lieutenant-FPS-Bob
2008-06-09, 07:07
That handguard looks really thick...


It's because the newer M4 carbines and M16 rifles have an integrated RIS rail system and come with rail covers to conceal and protect both the rails and your hands from the unused rails. That's why they are so meaty looking. :wink:


Anyway, excellent update. So badass, I'm showing all my friends who play PR A.S.A.P.

Quick question, if nobody asked yet (I might have missed it) which kits will have iron sights and which will have M68 Aimpoints on the M4?

I'm guessing scoped rifleman will have ACOG, and unscoped have M68?

Chanvlan
2008-06-09, 07:41
o rite! thats the way i like it ahaha!

JacenSolo
2008-06-09, 08:15
1000 thanks!! Very beautifull!! I pray for an early launch of version 0.8 :wink:

bloodthirsty_viking
2008-06-09, 08:33
how many can the striker and new hummvy hold? or is that skill classified:-)

Rhino
2008-06-09, 08:43
Stryker will hold 8 like any other APC (2 crewman and 6 passangers)

HUMMWV will hold 5 or 6 but I think most likely 6.

Polka
2008-06-09, 10:43
Hope to see the up armoured HMMWV some time :D

jack2665
2008-06-09, 11:10
i have one thing to say
nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom
U.S ARMY
nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom
M4
nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom

J.F.Leusch69
2008-06-09, 11:41
really nice

DenniZ-NL
2008-06-09, 12:08
Nice update :D

Have to admit I am looking forward to IDF more then US Army though ;)

Freelance_Commando
2008-06-09, 12:12
Well it looks like that graphics update I MAY be getting soon will be well worth it.

Yay for new stuff, MORE yay for the stuff to come.

Vlade.the_medic
2008-06-09, 18:46
Finaly the US army takes a step in...I can't wait to see all the M4 variants.

billdan
2008-06-09, 22:13
love the acu

Rambo Hunter
2008-06-09, 23:42
This is due to the Stryker Bridages currently being based only out of woodland area bases; Washington, Alaska, South Korea, Germany, etc.
Don't forget Hawaii :D

greenfire07
2008-06-10, 00:31
it would be cool to see an EOtech sight on one of the m4's
looks like this and has a cool holographic crosshair in it.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/m4%20with%20eotech.jpg
also note the nv mount on the helmet.

Jaymz
2008-06-10, 01:21
it would be cool to see an EOtech sight on one of the m4's
looks like this and has a cool holographic crosshair in it.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/m4%20with%20eotech.jpg
also note the nv mount on the helmet.

M68's are x100 times more common. But yeah, would be cool :p

BabylonCome
2008-06-10, 01:39
Finaly the US army takes a step in...I can't wait to see all the M4 variants.

Yeah - since we're nearly at version 1.0 - makes sence the US Army appear when we're nearly there...


Nah - Seriously, will be good to play some new kits...

agentscar
2008-06-10, 02:23
And here,I always thought the U.S. Army put ACOG scopes on their M4's...

And it says "The U.S. Army's std. issue rifle",IT'S A CARBINE,lol,jk.

All is nice though...No M16's??? lol...

Jaymz
2008-06-10, 02:28
And here,I always thought the U.S. Army put ACOG scopes on their M4's...

http://media.realitymod.com/news/pr08/usarmy1/army_acu03.jpg

Both dudes behind the SAW gunner have ACOGs on thier M4s.

IEDmagnet580
2008-06-10, 04:00
Huh, you are right about the flag being full color. Every picture on google shows it. Weird.

well at first they used colored flags with the ACU, but that was before they started giving out the camo flags. most soldiers just took the flags off their BDUs and put them on the ACUs but now it is rare to see a colored flag on any uniform, ACU or MARpat alike.

IEDmagnet580
2008-06-10, 04:16
And yes as of right now there are no tan strykers but I personally think that in the next couple years they will be painted tan.

And I would love to see maybe the MRAP for the marines or the army in later versions. That would be pretty sweet.
http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/2224/GR_PR_071112mrap.png

jack2665
2008-06-10, 04:51
on the M4 whars the hand grip and the lazer thingy that looks cool
hay and look at the APC the M2 is fireing but thers no one on it oooooo
i no its remotcontrold ooooooooooooooo
hay thear squad pach is on my airsoft unaform lol and i have an M4 too im being spyd on\
and is it just me or are the graphx beater in thos pix?

azn_chopsticks_boi
2008-06-10, 05:49
And yes as of right now there are no tan strykers but I personally think that in the next couple years they will be painted tan.

And I would love to see maybe the MRAP for the marines or the army in later versions. That would be pretty sweet.
http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/2224/GR_PR_071112mrap.png

http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-community-modding/25617-vehicle-mrap-cougar-wip.html

morfumax
2008-06-10, 16:38
woot cant wait for .8 now!!! the addition of the US army is refreshing and the m4 looks 8)

Rabbit
2008-06-10, 17:29
why no American flag on their shoulder?

CodeSpartan
2008-06-10, 20:45
Wow, congratulations. You've managed to do what I once thought was impossible.
You've managed to make ACU look sexy.

Rambo Hunter
2008-06-10, 20:49
ACU was always sexy

greenfire07
2008-06-10, 22:48
as big of a marine fan i am i must admit the addition of ACU is cool, throw on a camelbak on some of the soldiers, give them night vision helmet mounts and it'll make me feel like im actually there, fighting with the people i know.

Charlie!
2008-06-10, 22:51
This thnig is getting to much good stuff you should make a disc of its own and sell it higher than battlefield and you owuld get more ppl., advertise on Tv and crap and this game would make you rich....

Sir.Saul
2008-06-10, 23:27
charlie, first 1.00 version, then greedy self proclaiming advertising later, maybe they will even add those famed "FREE MOD!" you click download, and bam! requires membership for 29.99$ per freaking day, god!!! .. today is exaggerating day, best excuse, specially to your girlfriend.

Oh and nah.. Rhino will prevent them from become greedy EA basta***.
Don't know why, but apparently Rhino is my favourite dev? :O

ostupidman
2008-06-10, 23:34
Lovin the new additions. Little afraid of balancing stryker with only a .50 vs other APC's but I'm sure the devs have already considered that. Woot for ACU

Rhino
2008-06-11, 03:38
Don't know why, but apparently Rhino is my favourite dev? :O

That's a first :p

[T]blackflybro88
2008-06-11, 04:28
Is it just me or does it look like the army wears slippers into battle:o


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/blackflykiller/m1126_stryker02.jpg

Teek
2008-06-11, 04:38
looks more like mocs

Technoelite
2008-06-11, 16:12
great piece of work but i just wonderign why the hell no one has asked this yet we knoa that with just the 50 al on the stryker it will get owned by the MEC and Chinease APCS so i just woderign will we be seeing these varients.

Javalin version (TOW becasue i remeber u guys had balancing problems and shit with the Jav)
AA version

maybe a Arty cannon one cant rember what size it is soem oen could check that for me it would be good.

Rhino
2008-06-11, 16:21
great piece of work but i just wonderign why the hell no one has asked this yet......

If you look though the topic it has been asked like 50 times already, we are just ignoring it for good reason :D

gazzthompson
2008-06-11, 17:01
great piece of work but i just wonderign why the hell no one has asked this yet we knoa that with just the 50 al on the stryker it will get owned by the MEC and Chinease APCS so i just woderign will we be seeing these varients.


u really think the devs are gunna pitch a 50.cal vs 30mm ect ??

US Army Update Part 1

Technoelite
2008-06-11, 18:38
i know that just wonderign hwy no ones asked the question u usually get a person saying somethign like that duh

Rhino
2008-06-11, 18:50
i know that just wonderign hwy no ones asked the question u usually get a person saying somethign like that duh

try looking though more than the first page of comments?

Ironcomatose
2008-06-11, 19:55
Rhino;698001']try looking though more than the first page of comments?

Since Rhino cant help being sarcastic(:wink:) i will just go ahead and say that, yes many many people brought up that same point. Just to clarify.

apalone
2008-06-11, 19:56
Nice!
When can we see US army update part 2? :p

jayceon515
2008-06-11, 20:21
What other maps except Kashan Desert is US Army going to be in?
If it's not a secret of course.

agentscar
2008-06-12, 03:11
Oh...I was meaning the specific type of ACOG,the one that's on the USMC M16's and stuff...

laikiunreal
2008-06-12, 14:47
Good points:

US ARMY added.(Incredible skin)
New awesome vehicles.
M4 carbine added.(woot!)
Lots of action to come!!

Bad points:

Want to play all day with a dislocated shoulder.
------------------
YOU CANT!! :cry:

Rhino
2008-06-12, 14:59
Bad points:

Want to play all day with a dislocated shoulder.
------------------
YOU CANT!! :cry:

where there is a will, there is a way ;)

black-wolf
2008-06-12, 15:11
Isnt it a little unbalanced to make a spec ops weapon spawnable? And, whats is going to be the usarmy specops weapon?

Rhino
2008-06-12, 15:19
the "spec ops" weapon aint that powerful if you want to call it thou, its just different? Besides the PLA spec ops kit ingame current uses the QBZ-95 with scope, same as the rifleman, the diffrence with the spec op kit is his explosives etc...

black-wolf
2008-06-12, 15:21
And what specops weapon are they going to use?

bosco_
2008-06-12, 15:21
Ehh, the M4 used by the US Army base kits doesnt have full auto if you mean that... you mean the M4A1

Rhino
2008-06-12, 15:22
and ye like bosco said, the normal rifleman will use the M4, the specops will most likely use the M4A1 (which has full auto).

NiGHTWoLF
2008-06-12, 16:20
Rhino;698810']where there is a will, there is a way ;)


Using the same sentiment rhino, I want fast roping :mrgreen:

Rhino
2008-06-12, 16:24
you chuck grappling hooks out of the back of the merlin :p

Scot
2008-06-12, 18:03
Implemented fully on every chopper :P But good job again guys, this mod is teh sex!

CodeSpartan
2008-06-12, 18:19
Isnt it a little unbalanced to make a spec ops weapon spawnable? And, whats is going to be the usarmy specops weapon?
These are M4s, not M4A1s. They'll essentially work the same as M16A4s except they're shorter and a little less accurate.

agentscar
2008-06-13, 04:10
BTW,I've always wondered...What's up with that random little chunk missing on the left side of the "chickenplate" on the Humvee?

Quick Fact: Did you know Strykers are street legal in the U.S. ,you just have to have a "Wide Load" or "Oversized Load" thing on it.

ohnomelon
2008-06-13, 19:28
i never thought i'd be so excited to see acupat, let alone toy with the notion that at least in the fpv the pattern looks a little large? i'm guessing any lower and you'd lose the contrast from medium and far distances or something?

bosco_
2008-06-13, 19:33
ohnomelon;700013']i never thought i'd be so excited to see acupat, let alone toy with the notion that at least in the fpv the pattern looks a little large? i'm guessing any lower and you'd lose the contrast from medium and far distances or something?

http://www.dezh.de/imghosting/c991146fc5f6675ea1f0707621f3a9d2.jpg

Sorry, couldn't resist :D

Some older ACU skins just looked plain gray from distance, at least thats what I've experienced.

moj
2008-06-14, 00:52
Good job guys, can't wait to see the Stryker in action! I'm guessing that maybe, the BTR-90 could be downgraded to the BTR-80 in order to balance things a bit. Guess I'll probably have to wait until part 2 to find out.

Ironcomatose
2008-06-14, 01:16
Good job guys, can't wait to see the Stryker in action! I'm guessing that maybe, the BTR-90 could be downgraded to the BTR-80 in order to balance things a bit. Guess I'll probably have to wait until part 2 to find out.

I think its all but written in stone that the US Army will be getting the Bradley IFV as well.

HughJass
2008-06-14, 01:19
Quick Fact: Did you know Strykers are street legal in the U.S. ,you just have to have a "Wide Load" or "Oversized Load" thing on it.

:shock: makes me feel safe on a battlefield...

agentscar
2008-06-14, 03:17
Yea,USI has the BEST Bradley IFV out there...

moj
2008-06-14, 04:08
I think its all but written in stone that the US Army will be getting the Bradley IFV as well.

Yeah I can't wait. So maybe we'll be seeing Stykers and Bradleys Vs. BTR-80s and BMP3s on Kashan?

MikeAP
2008-06-14, 04:26
Oh my GOD. MY EYES ARE BURNING!!! MY EYES ARE BURNING.

Ok a few things from an US Army officer in a Stryker Brigade.

1) We DONT HAVE SAND COLORED STRYKERS. They are CARC Green.

2) Stryker's in a combat theater of operations will have SLAT armor on it. You will never see a Stryker in Iraq/Afghanistan without SLAT armor.

3) Weapons: WE DONT LIKE USING THE M68 as an optic, and we DONT use iron sights anymore. Every primary weapon in the Stryker brigade has some sort of optic on it. The priority is 1) ACOG 2) EOTECH Reflex and finally 3) If you have no other option, but an M68 on it.

I asked a long time ago if the team needed help with some references. In fact, I even put together a pretty large powerpoint together so that we could avoid these problems.

I really hope the team can sort this crap out before it's in final production.

PM me if you guys need help.

EDIT - Another thing I noticed that is KILLING ME.

The Stryker pictured is an 1126 ICV (Infantry carrier variant) HOWEVER, it's bumper says it's part of 2-25 ID, 2-14 CAV.............If it's in the CAV its an 1127 RV (recon variant) we dont use ICV's in the CAV.

Thank you.

moj
2008-06-14, 04:37
Uh oh looks like someone didn't do their homework :grin:

agentscar
2008-06-14, 04:49
Wow,you gey em' Mike!

I think we all knew about the weapons on it,camo color,and armor..At Least I did,but I kept my mouth shut...Yes,lets hope it gets sorted out...

Gamerofthegame
2008-06-14, 05:33
Tis slightly in the future. Maybe the slightly in the future US made desert Cameo for them or something.

OkitaMakoto
2008-06-14, 05:38
MikeAP;700499']Oh my GOD. MY EYES ARE BURNING!!! MY EYES ARE BURNING.

Ok a few things from an US Army officer in a Stryker Brigade.

1) We DONT HAVE SAND COLORED STRYKERS. They are CARC Green.

2) Stryker's in a combat theater of operations will have SLAT armor on it. You will never see a Stryker in Iraq/Afghanistan without SLAT armor.

3) Weapons: WE DONT LIKE USING THE M68 as an optic, and we DONT use iron sights anymore. Every primary weapon in the Stryker brigade has some sort of optic on it. The priority is 1) ACOG 2) EOTECH Reflex and finally 3) If you have no other option, but an M68 on it.

I asked a long time ago if the team needed help with some references. In fact, I even put together a pretty large powerpoint together so that we could avoid these problems.

I really hope the team can sort this crap out before it's in final production.

PM me if you guys need help.

EDIT - Another thing I noticed that is KILLING ME.

The Stryker pictured is an 1126 ICV (Infantry carrier variant) HOWEVER, it's bumper says it's part of 2-25 ID, 2-14 CAV.............If it's in the CAV its an 1127 RV (recon variant) we dont use ICV's in the CAV.

Thank you.

You could word it a bit differently, imho

You think the DEVs are oblivious to this stuff? Sand colored... picky. PR is not current conflict rather somewhat in the near future. I would hope we could get our act together and put a little paint on them for use in areas like Kashan.

Optics = balance issue. No ones saying it wont ever be changed but that seems to be the decision right now. I do agree though, it'd be nice to get proper optics for the G3, m16/m4 and Ak weapons at some point [non scoped optics]

I agree with the bumper thing though, if you are correct. :P

[edit: wow, I accidentally said Karkand instead of Kashan at first :roll:]

ReadMenace
2008-06-14, 06:06
BTW,I've always wondered...What's up with that random little chunk missing on the left side of the "chickenplate" on the Humvee?

Quick Fact: Did you know Strykers are street legal in the U.S. ,you just have to have a "Wide Load" or "Oversized Load" thing on it.

Yes, I've seen them on I-5 north of Seattle.

-REad

MikeAP
2008-06-14, 06:38
Wow,you gey em' Mike!

I think we all knew about the weapons on it,camo color,and armor..At Least I did,but I kept my mouth shut...Yes,lets hope it gets sorted out...

It's not about 'getting them'

I'm pretty pissed because back before the development I offered to help. I'd say I'm qualified to help with this considering I'm part of a Stryker Brigade and deployed to Iraq with them. I guess you can consider my word 'coming from the horses mouth'

What really upsets me is that I was told 'we have this under control'...to me thats like being told to PISS OFF. Unless they have someone more qualified than me doing historical advising for them, then I'd take it as an insult.

BTW. Looking at the Stryker model again, I see they're missing the vehicle commander's hatch. It's suppose to be next to the gunner. Defin another big boo boo.

OkitaMakoto;700526']You could word it a bit differently, imho

You think the DEVs are oblivious to this stuff? Sand colored... picky. PR is not current conflict rather somewhat in the near future. I would hope we could get our act together and put a little paint on them for use in areas like Kashan.

Optics = balance issue. No ones saying it wont ever be changed but that seems to be the decision right now. I do agree though, it'd be nice to get proper optics for the G3, m16/m4 and Ak weapons at some point [non scoped optics]

I agree with the bumper thing though, if you are correct. :P


Even in the future Strykers will NEVER be painted 'sand colored' whatever color that may be. There are reasons why the Stryker is carc green.

The bumper thing, IF I'M RIGHT? Hey guy, this is what I do for a living!

Tirak
2008-06-14, 07:20
Nice spot Mike, all of us were too busy oohing and ahhing, I suppose we all need a dose of reality (pun not really intended).

Okita, he's got a valid point, this mod strives for realism, and this guy knows his vehicle. Most of us like the model, but it's not right, does it need to be changed, yes, but I'm sure we're all willing to take the current one being offered until a fixed version comes along.

Anyway, let me throw in my Oooh, Ahhh, because regardless of what Mike says, it still looks sexy. :D

OkitaMakoto
2008-06-14, 08:59
The problem is not saying things are in need of changing[I dont begin to claim superiority in knowledge of the Stryker as it currently serves], its the manner in which its said. Especially from a team member and taking your follow up post into consideration. I'm dropping it here because I don't care to continue and make things worse by bickering.

If you have a problem with the Stryker or the way the PR team treated your offerings, take it up with someone higher up via PM, no need to bash the team on the public forums. I also apologize for throwing this out into the open, but I believe the PR team needs to be mindful of the way it portrays itself on the public forums.

Rudd
2008-06-14, 09:30
MikeAP;700541']
Even in the future Strykers will NEVER be painted 'sand colored' whatever color that may be. There are reasons why the Stryker is carc green.

Pardon my ignorance, but why is it this way?

LtSoucy
2008-06-14, 12:55
why, because most of the world has a tree in am mile, and they can camo better. And look better. :p But i have to agree with mike hee, if we can jsut change there color it would be alot better, most cant see or even read typing on back so its no a issue. But everyone can see the color.

agentscar
2008-06-14, 15:04
The bottom point is,Mike is an ACTUAL Stryker operator...So he needs to be listened to,I can understand why he's upset.No one else to blame here,but the Devs in charge of making this vehicle...

Pride
2008-06-14, 15:29
What you've got to take into account is that this model was made nearly a year ago, by someone who isn't on the PR team.
Vehicle: Stryker! - Game Artist Forums (http://www.game-artist.net/forums/work-progress/2660-vehicle-stryker.html)
Therefore, you have to realise that, yes, although some things on the model may be a tad unrealistic, it is probably too late in the production process to change these things. The effort required for these details is not worth the effort for something 99% of people will not notice ingame.

And looking at your points:
The commanders hatch does seem to be there to me (well a hatch next to the gunner), it's just closed. Take a look at this render of the model:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/slinkysmeagol/6-2.jpg

If there is a reason for the green paint, like you say, i'm sure this can be quickly and easily edited. Likewise for the number on the back.

There was definitely a stryker modeled with slat armour, look here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/slinkysmeagol/19.jpg
however, i don't know why it wasn't used. Probably because the cage didn't look good ingame or something.

Rhino
2008-06-14, 15:37
What you've got to take into account is that this model was made nearly a year ago, by someone who isn't on the PR team.
Vehicle: Stryker! - Game Artist Forums (http://www.game-artist.net/forums/work-progress/2660-vehicle-stryker.html)
Therefore, you have to realise that, yes, although some things on the model may be a tad unrealistic, it is probably too late in the production process to change these things. The effort required for these details is not worth the effort for something 99% of people will not notice ingame.

And looking at your points:
The commanders hatch does seem to be there to me (well a hatch next to the gunner), it's just closed. Take a look at this render of the model:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/slinkysmeagol/6-2.jpg

If there is a reason for the green paint, like you say, i'm sure this can be quickly and easily edited. Likewise for the number on the back.

There was definitely a stryker modeled with slat armour, look here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/slinkysmeagol/19.jpg
however, i don't know why it wasn't used. Probably because the cage didn't look good ingame or something.

yep, the model was made outside of the mod and there are a few issues with it thou that is down to the MAs didn't really get many WIP pics like they do with our inside models. Most of the issues like pride said are to late to fix, and to small to really worry about.

As for the colour our MAs inform us that in a few years some "tan camo" strykers should start coming out of production, it is a fairly new weapon in the US Army and its still being fully integrated into it.

As for the cage, we will probaly put that on but it caused lots of problems sticking it on the scimitar.

agentscar
2008-06-14, 15:41
Well that's good to hear I guess Rhino. :)

Rabbit
2008-06-14, 17:16
Rhino;700961']yep, the model was made outside of the mod and there are a few issues with it thou that is down to the MAs didn't really get many WIP pics like they do with our inside models. Most of the issues like pride said are to late to fix, and to small to really worry about.

As for the colour our MAs inform us that in a few years some "tan camo" strykers should start coming out of production, it is a fairly new weapon in the US Army and its still being fully integrated into it.

As for the cage, we will probaly put that on but it caused lots of problems sticking it on the scimitar.

but I have an observation, lets say they do start painting them sand color, what about those levels that are being created that are current time. For example any levels based off this current iraq conflict, they are green, so if you dont have the green for those levels its not really following the realism.

Rhino
2008-06-14, 17:27
are storyline is based a few years in the future, even Al Basrah is since the brits are in fact no longer in Al Basrah, well they still just are but only providing overwatch. If you want a storyline to it then with the withdrawal of the brit forces from basrah, insurgents groups have taken over the city and the british are tasked to take it back and bring the city and the surrounding area back under control ;)

jayceon515
2008-06-14, 17:30
Rhino;701040']are storyline is based a few years in the future, even Al Basrah is since the brits are in fact no longer in Al Basrah, well they still just are but only providing overwatch. If you want a storyline to it then with the withdrawal of the brit forces from basrah, insurgents groups have taken over the city and the british are tasked to take it back and bring the city and the surrounding area back under control ;)

Since you're saying that this is a few years in the future wouldn't it be more logical for the US Army to retake Basrah instead of UK since they are umm...well...better?:confused:

Scot
2008-06-14, 17:45
That is fair... and also who knows who will retake Basrah in the future?? Are you Doctor Who and know what will happen??? And i shall not start any flaming at all to that ridiculous comment.

Technoelite
2008-06-14, 18:02
u never knwo teh Iraninas could retake basra lol

Rhino
2008-06-14, 18:12
Since you're saying that this is a few years in the future wouldn't it be more logical for the US Army to retake Basrah instead of UK since they are umm...well...better?:confused:

we took Basrah this time why would we not take it again?

agentscar
2008-06-14, 18:16
And Saying the U.S. Army,is Better than the UK...that's just wrong...They took it the first time,they can damn well do it beautifully again,lol. :)

Scot
2008-06-14, 18:20
The U.S Army has waay more manpower and waay more money, I dunno who is better.

OkitaMakoto
2008-06-14, 18:27
Lets try to keep on topic here guys...

Today's topic is "Media US Army Update Part 1," if anyone forgot with all this debate on which countries mom could kick another countries mom's ass. ;)

Viper5
2008-06-14, 18:27
Everyone keep their E-Peens flaccid and move on now.

Scot
2008-06-14, 18:30
mines still a semi....

And just to get on topic, how soon will the update 2 be on???

billdan
2008-06-14, 19:49
nvm

agentscar
2008-06-14, 21:56
Okay,I just wanna mention one more thing,to get what I'm saying clear...

I'm an American,so of course I love the U.S. military..

But I like our U.K. homiez,so I'll never say one is better than the other,cuz i love em' both,lol.

Okay,done. :)

Yea,I'm also wondering when the next Army update will be around?Any estimate?

Gunwing
2008-06-14, 23:40
;-) i would say the USI Bradley is a hot candidate for part 2 of this update

If not the way they have it ingame then at least as part of PR. Though for the driver it better have a burst fire mode, and a single shot mode like the real life one dose. IE 4 shots for burts, 1 click per shot for single it would make it feel more real.

Also it better have the guns on the side and rear for the passangers as well or I won't like it. The M2A3 bradly will rock for sure.

ALso any chance the M1A2SEP will finaly get replaced by PR? I mean the model for it is utter crap that DICE made, and the T-90 should be remodeled as well.

In fact all the vBF2 vehicles should be replaced with more realisitc, and better looking counter parts.

Panzerfire
2008-06-14, 23:44
ALso any chance the M1A2SEP will finaly get replaced by PR? I mean the model for it is utter crap that DICE made, and the T-90 should be remodeled as well.

In fact all the vBF2 vehicles should be replaced with more realisitc, and better looking counter parts.

You realize you're asking for A LOT?

FLOZi
2008-06-15, 00:59
I'm sure they'll all get done in time, but obviously there are other priorities.

agentscar
2008-06-15, 01:01
Yea you are asking for alot...



Yea,The USI mod Abrams,and Bradley are perfect replacements...Because the USMC still use the M1A1...And their Bradley is just,perfect,lol.Though I'm pretty sure the "burst" mode on the bradley is 3 shots,not 4...ALSO,Why don't those M4's have the same ACOG's as the USMC M16's?

BTW,This is turning into an Army suggestion thread..Let's keep it about the feedback of the news update...

USMC[KILLER]
2008-06-15, 02:55
USI M1A1 would be perfect for the USMC!:)

Hauler
2008-06-15, 03:19
Why not just work out an agreement with USI and take their models? They are absolutely fantastic.

ReadMenace
2008-06-15, 03:19
Yea you are asking for alot...



Yea,The USI mod Abrams,and Bradley are perfect replacements...Because the USMC still use the M1A1...And their Bradley is just,perfect,lol.Though I'm pretty sure the "burst" mode on the bradley is 3 shots,not 4...ALSO,Why don't those M4's have the same ACOG's as the USMC M16's?

BTW,This is turning into an Army suggestion thread..Let's keep it about the feedback of the news update...

Because the ACOGs used on M4s are different. :wink:

-REad

agentscar
2008-06-15, 03:45
Well,PR has taken the following from USI :

-AH-1 "Littlebird"
-A-10
-SU-25 "Frogfoot"
-Humvee
-Supply trucks
-F-16
-BRDM + variants
-T-62

So I don't see why they don't use their Abrams/Bradley too,lol.This isn't mentioned much I think,leaving USI un-credited in a way,so thought I'd inform some of you...Not trying to target PR though.

:)

greenfire07
2008-06-15, 04:53
Well,PR has taken the following from USI :

-AH-1 "Littlebird"
-A-10
-SU-25 "Frogfoot"
-Humvee
-Supply trucks
-F-16
-BRDM + variants
-T-62

So I don't see why they don't use their Abrams/Bradley too,lol.This isn't mentioned much I think,leaving USI un-credited in a way,so thought I'd inform some of you...Not trying to target PR though.

:)

didnt they get those from armored fury and euro force?

agentscar
2008-06-15, 04:56
No...They don't even near resemble the ones from that...

And anyways,none of that is in any of those expansions packs,except for the A-10,Littlebird,and Frogfoot,which are in Armored Fury...But those are very crappy...

Those are all from U.S. Intervention my friend. :)

greenfire07
2008-06-15, 05:03
i guess your right, i dont have any of them i just guessed.
noting something from earlier, why wont riflemen have full auto m4's? my stepdad is going to Iraq next week, and everyone in the army is issued a full auto m4, with some sort of holographic sight on it. also, the lack of night vision mounts still bugs the crap outta me, dont know why either.

agentscar
2008-06-15, 05:16
Exactly,I know quite a few grunts in the U.S. Army and Airborne gies,and they all have full auto capable M4's...Some of the grunts I know that've been to Iraq tell me how they used to get chewed out for going full auto pointlessly on targets while in combat.And Airborne gies tell me how they hate it when they hear about/see grunts doing that,lol.

CodeSpartan
2008-06-15, 06:11
Um... what? The M4 is single shot and burst. There's the M4A1, which can go full auto, but I don't think that's issued to everyone in the army. I have a cousin going into the Army and he only mentioned using burst.

Jaymz
2008-06-15, 06:59
why wont riflemen have full auto m4's? my stepdad is going to Iraq next week, and everyone in the army is issued a full auto m4, with some sort of holographic sight on it. also, the lack of night vision mounts still bugs the crap outta me, dont know why either.

Is your stepdad SF or a Delta Operator? Because they're pretty much the only units issued the M4A1.

808-SLUGGO
2008-06-15, 07:35
im pretty sure all M4's issued to the average US army foot soldier aren't modified to fire full auto but only single and burst

(think.. if all M4's were full auto.. the Squad AUTOMATIC Weapon M249 would be pretty irrelevant)

however i think greenberets and other SF can modify their M4 to fire full auto or their just flat out issued the M4A1 on deployment

ReadMenace
2008-06-15, 07:58
(think.. if all M4's were full auto.. the Squad AUTOMATIC Weapon M249 would be pretty irrelevant)


Quick barrel changes :wink:

-REad

Teek
2008-06-15, 09:23
Why not just work out an agreement with USI and take their models? They are absolutely fantastic.
we do have a agreement, but it is a trade, you cant take all the models from one mod without giving something back.

agentscar
2008-06-15, 18:35
All the stuff that USI has given to PR...I haven't seen one thing in from PR in USI,except the M14,and Destructable environments...

greenfire07
2008-06-15, 18:36
yes, i talked to him yesterday and he has an m4a1 at home, but not in the army, once again i am wrong. he is an MP

Ironcomatose
2008-06-15, 18:40
All the stuff that USI has given to PR...I haven't seen one thing in from PR in USI,except the M14,and Destructable environments...

I thought they gave us the M14. PR did give them Ejod desert right?

Rhino
2008-06-15, 18:46
All the stuff that USI has given to PR...I haven't seen one thing in from PR in USI,except the M14,and Destructable environments...

we have gave them loads...

Little bird, maps, help M14 which you could say is also from EOD, game modes, python code, we are there to help each other.

Petey
2008-06-15, 19:06
soo is USI and PR like brothers?
btw WHERE IZ UPDATE NUMBUH TWOOO!!!!

LtSoucy
2008-06-15, 19:07
^yes and are parents are BSS. And its coming i'm sure.

agentscar
2008-06-15, 19:25
Yea,lol

BSS parent

USI & PR whiny,spoiled, brats,lol jk.


Yea,You did give them Ejod,but I wasn't sure about the Littlebird...Oh well.

:)

Viper5
2008-06-15, 23:55
EJOD went to USI from PR. The M14 came from EOD. The LBs came from all over. IIRC the original transport is from PR, the 2 armed versions are from elsewhere.

HughJass
2008-06-16, 05:00
the only thing that is awesome in usi imo is the abrams, what a beauty.

agentscar
2008-06-16, 17:02
The Armed version of the LB is from USI btw...

But yea,I think we're all kind of waiting patiently for PR to take on the USI Abrams,or make their own...

Maxfragg
2008-06-16, 17:26
the point is still, that 2-3 years in future where PR takes place both USMC and ARMY will use M1A2 and USI only has a M1A1

Rhino
2008-06-16, 17:27
The Armed version of the LB is from USI btw...

But yea,I think we're all kind of waiting patiently for PR to take on the USI Abrams,or make their own...

no, that is also from PR....

PR modeled the little bird, including the armed version.

PR imported the little bird for v0.2

Cant remember the reasons why for excatly but in v0.4 I think the little bird was given to USI and they did a new import of it which also included the armed version which then they gave the new import back to us.

agentscar
2008-06-16, 17:28
Appearance wise the M1A1,and M1A2 are almost the exact same...

Ah,I see,USI and PR...now that's a good relationship,lol.

Scot
2008-06-16, 17:39
yeah and shout at me if im wrong, but why would the A2 not have 2 machine gun posts on top??

agentscar
2008-06-16, 17:43
It's all based on what they can get on their Abrams i guess...

Some abrams have the gyroscope thing or whatever on them,some don't
Some have an M249,or M240 for the loader to have on top
Some have a 50cal. for the TC to use
Some don't have any MG's at all on top...

Lol,it all depends...But I'm guessing,they won't want the extra gun on there,for "balance" crap... :roll:

Napoleon_TR
2008-06-16, 18:09
You should check to BlackHawk Color in Kashan and others desert map's

bosco_
2008-06-16, 18:11
What do you mean?

Brummy
2008-06-16, 19:03
He means that the BlackHawk should be black and not grey.

Rhino
2008-06-16, 19:11
http://sf.startupweekend.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/o_rly.jpg

bosco_
2008-06-16, 19:36
Brummy;703394']He means that the BlackHawk should be black and not grey.

I think he rather suggests desert camo, hence he mentions 'desert' maps.

Brummy
2008-06-16, 19:43
Blackhawks in desert camo are rare :p

Scot
2008-06-16, 20:18
Blackhawks in pure black are also rare. Only 1-SOAR ( i think) use the pure blackhawks, as seen in BHD!!

KP
2008-06-16, 20:55
Rhino;703403']http://sf.startupweekend.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/o_rly.jpg

I reckon that should be worth a warning for useless/unhelpful post content. ;)

The Blackhawks I've seen pictures of are mostly olive drab, like this one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Black_hawk.jpg/800px-Black_hawk.jpg

agentscar
2008-06-16, 21:07
But that looks black? lol...

I usually see them dark grey...

Scot
2008-06-16, 21:16
no thats more greeny dark grey i would say!

http://www.rotaryaction.com/images/bhawkd6.jpg

i think thats more black... but it does look V similar!!

Viper5
2008-06-16, 21:18
Most UH-60A/Ls (Conventional type used by US Army) are olive drab I believe. Black are used by the 160th SOAR, grey by the USN for their Seahawks.

Ironcomatose
2008-06-16, 22:02
Viper5;703549']Most UH-60A/Ls (Conventional type used by US Army) are olive drab I believe. Black are used by the 160th SOAR, grey by the USN for their Seahawks.

You would be right about the standard color. Im not sure if its olive drab exactly but its some form of green(ish) non reflective paint.

greenfire07
2008-06-16, 22:14
ive seen a lot of blue-grey for navy seahawks.

Napoleon_TR
2008-06-16, 23:11
Dark Green (http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/103969.jpg) (Best)

or

Kamuflage (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200703/r129710_510252.jpg)

Dont Grey plz xD

Eddie Baker
2008-06-16, 23:58
[B]Kamuflage (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200703/r129710_510252.jpg)

That's an Australian Army Air Corps helicopter, not a US helicopter.

Napoleon_TR
2008-06-17, 00:01
Or this? (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/mvc-122f.jpg)

Eddie Baker
2008-06-17, 00:03
Or this? (http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/mvc-122f.jpg)

That is a US helicopter; an MH-60K used by 160th SOAR. For those of you saying that 160th SOAR uses black helicopters, note that it is a very dark pine green, much like the regular army H-60s.

The Navy paints their Seahawks and Knighthawks in solid gray or sometimes a grey/white camouflage pattern, or grey with orange (Naval Station search and rescue squadrons only) depending on the squadron.

USAF paints their Pave Hawks in a dark green and blue pattern.

A detachment of 160th SOAR Blackhawks were painted gray for Operations Prime Chance and Ernest Will when they operated from a barge in the Persian Gulf against Iranian minelayers and fast attack boats.

jim1994
2008-06-17, 00:31
woo!!
what a beauty!
excellent .08 update

arjan
2008-06-17, 13:37
no thats more greeny dark grey i would say!

http://www.rotaryaction.com/images/bhawkd6.jpg

i think thats more black... but it does look V similar!!

That picture is from BHD behind the scenes :D

gazzthompson
2008-06-17, 16:31
That picture is from BHD behind the scenes :D

dont think it is, though i havnt seen BHD for ages... brilliant update though

Maxfragg
2008-06-17, 17:00
it is, trust me, i have also the dvd and can confirm that

Viper5
2008-06-17, 17:36
160th SOAR birds were used in the filming of Blackhawk Down, so they arent really a reference as to how the normal US Army birds should appear.

Rambo Hunter
2008-06-17, 17:47
Well I've never seen a non-OD green Blackhawk in the hundreds of photos in the US Army database at The United States Army Homepage (http://www.army.mil) unless it was specially painted for a National Guard unit with some elaborate picture on it to resemble that state.

Ironcomatose
2008-06-17, 17:55
http://www.army.mil/-images/2008/06/17/17603/army.mil-2008-06-17-092135.jpg

I think that pic shows really well what color it is. Plenty of lighting, no shadows and its a bit dirty, so thats how it should look in game.