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Safekeeper
2007-09-24, 19:06
I get me a nice Officer kit and feel pretty content with the situation when, shock and horror, a guy joins my squad! I give him a defense order and we get down to the North Bunker. Once we're settled in, I decide to be honest with him and tell him I've got little experience with PR, and that if he feels like taking over, that's perfectly fine with me. He says no, and tells me I'm doing just fine. Looks like I'm stuck with my role as an Officer:shock:.

Oh well, I do my best. Over time more people join the squad and I try to communicate with them and the other squad members as good as I can, giving and asking for orders and directing the squad's engineer to build that bunker the Commander is trying to set up at the North Bunker. I get me an Officer kit at the main base and I even, to my amazement, find myself gathering my squad and setting up a rally point!

All in all, despite some disagreement with my squad members who kept requesting new orders when I thought the ones we already had were perfectly fine:razz:, I felt I did a decent job. It was fun as Heck, really, despite the pressure I felt throughout (guess I'm taking this a tad bit too seriously). The only thing I'm really embarrassed of was when I was gathering my squad in a ditch outside the North Bunker to set up a Rallying Point and I grew more and more frustrated that so few people were showing up. I kept scouting over the top of the ditch and checking the mini-map... then I look behind me and find that four of my squad members have indeed shown up and are sitting there looking at me strangely. Overview, Safekeeper:oops:!

BloodAce, DigitalEpiphany, Babylon, SIK666, and LeO [edit: tell me if I forgot someone:p], thanks for a good match. It was great to have you.

dbzao
2007-09-24, 19:12
Nice ;) Good luck being a squad leader :)

Also you do know that you can request your officer kit at a few other locations besides the main base, right? If you don't, read the manual and you will know all about it and be an even more efficient squad leader ;)

cheers

Soulja
2007-09-25, 12:04
Squad leading is a fine art, It's great fun after you get the hang of it and get the prick out of your squad that just want to join the squad to get the sniper kit and go do their own thing. It's a bit of a hassle, especially when most of your squad and your commander have mics but just keep at it and when your team wins and you see your squad on the Best Squad list it's a great feeling because you know you lead the squad well and helped your team achieve victory. Good Luck!

Safekeeper
2007-09-25, 12:50
Also you do know that you can request your officer kit at a few other locations besides the main base, right?Yup. But this one time, I didn't have the manual handy, so I couldn't look up what those places were:oops:.

Rudd
2007-09-25, 13:14
Sounds like you did a good job m8 :smile:

Don't worry about the pressure, SLs do have responsibility (I got chewed out by a commander once lol- but he didn't give me CAS cover so I could move...so boohoo to him)

To get more comfortable with being an SL I tended to go for the smaller servers in my own country so that I could get used to the same crowd for a while. (22SAS server is brill)

Well done again, cya on the battlefield

dbzao
2007-09-25, 14:04
Yup. But this one time, I didn't have the manual handy, so I couldn't look up what those places were:oops:.

Will give you a small list here so you can memorize :p

Main base
APCs
Bunkers
Firebases
Supply Drops
Rally points (your squad's or mapper placed)

cheers ;)

Safekeeper
2007-09-25, 14:55
I knew about the rally points. Thanks!

supahpingi
2007-09-25, 15:48
U can also request at other squads RP(at least i can)
or isnt that supposed to happen?

dbzao
2007-09-25, 16:29
You shouldn't. But don't confuse other squad's rally points with mapper placed rally points. Other squad's RPs have their squad number in the map. If they don't have a number, it's a mapper one.

=Romagnolo=
2007-09-25, 17:23
dbzao;494290']Will give you a small list here so you can memorize :p

Main base
APCs
Bunkers
Firebases
Supply Drops
Rally points (your squad's or mapper placed)

cheers ;)

This is a reality mod right ? You just need to think a little "in RL, where should I be able to find weapons and items ?" So easy !

SuperTimo
2007-09-25, 19:10
nice one!! its hard work being an SL espically when u have whiney sqad members who go rambo, i always if i make a squad call it somthing relevant such as armor, pilots, or on a n infantry map eng VOIP usually works well.

i had a good squad on mestia bout an hour ago went okay but we were let down as we had no commander.

thats another thing i have noticed no commander often=lose or crap commander=lose squads need cordination as squads cant talk to each other [without team speak(stupid BF2)]

good work though mate!

Safekeeper
2007-09-26, 02:23
nice one!! its hard work being an SL espically when u have whiney sqad members who go ramboLuckily my whole squad behaved well. There was a rambo or two and that engineer never, to my knowledge, made it to that bunker to build it (I left the round prematurely), but it all worked out great, to be honest.

IAJTHOMAS
2007-09-26, 18:18
This is a reality mod right ? You just need to think a little "in RL, where should I be able to find weapons and items ?" So easy !

ZOMG! I have to go to Sandhurst to get my officer kit?!

OiSkout
2007-09-27, 00:26
ZOMG! I have to go to Sandhurst to get my officer kit?!

I take it Sandhurst is an OCS?

But anyway, we need more SLs in the field! One of the few times I played as a squadmember, I played with StrikeTeam and the SL at the time knew his shit. A little more experience under your belt man, and you'll be a fine leader. There's that saying that goes something like I would rather have a leader who makes bad choices than a leader who is indecisive.

Clypp
2007-09-27, 16:26
Good. We need more squad leaders who take the job seriously.

A squad that sticks together and follows orders usually gets a high combined score compared to a squad of, even skilled, rambos.

The most important part of running a squad is communication. Give orders, ask what members' status is, tell people out of position to get back in position. Kick people who do not cooperate.

Safekeeper
2007-09-27, 17:54
I want a headset with a mic more and more for every game I play:). Would be great to have for World in Conflict, too.

daranz
2007-09-27, 22:07
All in all, despite some disagreement with my squad members who kept requesting new orders when I thought the ones we already had were perfectly fine:razz:,.

That happens. I hate it, because when people use it they don't ask me out right, they just use the commo rose and ask for new orders even though I told them what to do a minute ago. I guess some people just have ADD or something - I tend not to pay attention to those, as you usually can't say who said it anyway.

Safekeeper
2007-09-28, 01:54
That was my guess, too. That 'We need new orders' is short for 'Squad Leader, I feel this spot is not under threat of attack and that it would be a better allocation of our resources to move against South Bunker with Squad 1'. Which admittedly takes a while to type up.

Hx.Clavdivs
2007-09-28, 07:26
And page down is for: No, we are staying here defending this point against hostile counter-attack that is underway right now.

maz.uk
2007-09-28, 08:54
safekeeper good job i play squad leader 99% of the time, you had some good guys in your squad and dont worry about it its gets better, wait untill you get all your squad to a point in the map to set a rally and :oops: forgot the officer kit even us vets mess up at times ;-)

M4nicMin3r
2007-09-28, 09:36
What REAAAAAAAAAAAALY pi$$es me off lately i have found that when i get in a squad and the squad leader dies they leave the squad and rejoin when they spawn.

Ok when squad hopping was around this worked fine but leaving the next person in charge without an officer kit in the middle of a hot firefight or out in the middle of nowhere its really feking annoying after about the 5th or 6th time.

Sometimes i go SL most of the time im not too bothered and just want to be a grunt and get into the action. However when ppl squad switch it really confuses gameplay for me and doesnt do much good for squad morale and cohesion.

However that said it can be a really damn good experience when you get a good squadleader. Ive been under Maz' command a couple of times and hes pretty damn good.

When alls said and done all you can expect from a squadleader in pub play is to grab an officer kit and set rally points. Anything else is a bonus, if your squad leader throws out tactical moves etc then it gets REALLY good.

.:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever
2007-09-29, 03:31
wait untill you get all your squad to a point in the map to set a rally and forgot the officer kit

Oh please don't remind me :oops:

Yeah, like they say, stick at it.

Safekeeper
2007-09-29, 22:32
I just played a rather irritating session in one of the Chinese village maps. I made a squad as the others were full and we had one and a half squads worth of unassigned people. So I was squad leader with three underlings. I went and got an Officer kit from an APC and set a movement order behind a rock between two control points. I also sent a message saying 'Setting up rally point'. Cue frustration.

I mean, fair enough that one of my members was away in the hills on the other side of the map, all by his lonesome. No prob, there were three people near me. The problem was that while two people responded pretty much right away (I had given an attack order and we'd taken casualties, so we were spread out), but the other one completely ignored the order. He turned tail and ran off for the front. And he was perhaps twenty meters away. It wasn't like he was on the other side of the map, having been kidnapped by a beginner driving a car into Nothingwhere. Had I been a civilian, I could've chucked a rock at him, he was so near. I mean, there was the fact that he'd bear the horrific inconvenience of turning around and, in order to get to me, walk around a ten meters long wall (the Bataan death march comes to mind:shock:), but I thought heroics were a part of the antics of the People's Liberation Army. But off he went. My two loyal people saw that there was no rallying point to be had, and headed off. I saw there was no rallying point to be had, and gave the squad a new order. Then I kicked the deserter.

I found myself wishing it was within my powers as a squad leader to execute unruly minions, but for some reason this is punished and considered detrimental to the team ('eh?). This, coupled with the angry Commander who yelled out very important orders - I caught the word 'Immediately!' - orders through a mic crackling so badly no one could understand him, cued me to exit the server. Oh well, I'll try again next time.

By the way, is there a way to make it so that you can't get a new kit if you've just been kicked from a squad? Would be really nice to have.

.:iGi:.NinjaJedi
2007-10-04, 12:32
i love being a SL, best part of the game for me...

for example, ordered my whole squad to attack the river flag on sunset, i held about 30 meters away, and watched the carnage... took about 2 attempts for 5 people to get in, kill every, destroy the command bunker and take the flag, when it was neutral, i moved into a nice defensible postion and took the flag, while the sl's of the other squads moved to the next flag.

Good SL'ers are what makes the team do well, but i wish there was a in game VOIP way to speak to the SL'r directly, like you can the commander/your own squad.

Alphab3t4
2007-10-05, 06:37
I remember i was a SL in my first game(EJOD desert), there were about 15 on each team and 2 squads which were full and no commander. I, having read the manual, thought that it was best to create a new squad. So i gave it a custom name as the manual had thought me and before i even knew it people started pouring in!! :shock:
So the first thing i do is i open up the map and see where the other squads are, and if they need any help. Since i had no clue what to do i asked my Squadmembers what would be best. Then they asked me if i was new, i then replied: "Yes, shud i leave and rejoin?". However he said it was fine. So we move up on the city with my 4 men squad. We help secure city along with the 1st Squad and 2nd squad starts moving up.
Then i typed in team (no commander darnit! :-x) that me and my squad would stay in defense and the 2 others could move up.
So its just us four (1 Rifle,1 Medic,1 Officer and 1 support) holding the city CP. So i (try to) organize my men into defensive positions and then i just watch me sector. then i go back for a few seconds and see how everyones doing, only to get AMBUSHED once i got back! I left for those few seconds and they were waiting for it. I immediatly start yelling that there incoming from west. After that i left since i was hungry :razz:

Here you have my first experience in PR and my first experience as a SL.

.:iGi:.NinjaJedi
2007-10-05, 10:02
we like PR we do!

Outlawz7
2007-10-05, 15:06
I usually enjoy being a grunt from time to time, as I have more freedom and less stuff to worry about.

But then again, when I start planning my own stuff, which crosses with the SL's plans, I usually leave and start my own.

hx.bjoffe
2007-10-05, 17:39
He turned tail and ran off for the front. And he was perhaps twenty meters away. [..,] I could've chucked a rock at him, he was so near.

Shoot him in the foot, next time. Seriously. That get their attention.

Hx.Clavdivs
2007-10-05, 19:12
With your aim, it would have hit him in the head. ;)

This new trend I see, start up a squad named f.ex. VOIP+TM and then leave when you get 5 people and rejoin? I fully understand that people leave/rejoin. Why? Well, my personal experience is that if I join a squad then I do so because I don't want to lead. If I wanted to have 5 merry smucks under my command, I'd start it up myself. In fairness, I do report in and say that I did not start the squad, and I prefer somebody else take command.

hx.bjoffe
2007-10-06, 14:24
Hey! I've got top quality feet-aim, miss Rude-pants! If i got an euro for every toe i sprayed...

My personal rule is to stay the hell away from squads where the initiator vanish pre-Gamestart.

para_hjs
2007-10-06, 14:53
A good SL , "knows" the maps, when to encounter the "known" flanks e.g. And keep the momentum in combat.

laikiunreal
2007-10-07, 15:11
Good for you safekeeper, well not only for you also for you squaad members, its always a satisfaction to have a objective SL or a determined squad that way u can do a lot...good luck in your next SL mission!