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senator55
2007-03-22, 18:50
Why are the stats so slow updating.
This is a bit of a turn off for me, i love the game but like to know how well im doing.
Also my rank hasnt gone up on the stats page but when i start a round i get promoted 3 times in a row without doing anything??????

Cool mod though keep up the good work.
senator55

Snake_doctor
2007-03-22, 18:55
who cares about stats in pr m8 stats meen nothing

senator55
2007-03-22, 18:56
Ok then but the Rank thing is bugging me?????

dizzy
2007-03-22, 21:00
You rank will NEVER show up on the stats page if you dont run the ABR client.

bosco_
2007-03-22, 21:29
Use the ABR client, problem(s) solved.

KatanaGFR
2007-03-22, 21:34
if i could only download it.. On the battlefieldranking site it is a file not found error...

bosco_
2007-03-22, 21:35
There are alot of third party websites from where you can download it.
Just google for ABR client 1.21

General_J0k3r
2007-03-22, 21:41
didn't i get it right that stats don't really matter in PR? Oo

Cerberus
2007-03-22, 21:46
Stats mean absolutely nothing in PR... you can do absolutely nothing (it seems) and get hundreds of points.

Cravixon
2007-03-22, 22:08
Stats are a tool EA uses to control you. Forget about them.

Jeeves
2007-03-22, 23:17
Stats are a nice way to see what you have done/how well you are doing. For all of you saying that stats dont mean anything on pr; this is a game just like all other games, people like to be able to see how well they do (as far as accuracy, kills/deaths, what weapons/vehicles you are best with) in that game. Why do you think PR is any different? If you are referring to RANK and unlocks then yes you can say there are no unlocks to achieve through RANK.

[PR]AC3421
2007-03-22, 23:25
The stats link up at the top that takes you to BF2 Stats.com. When I look up any of my SN's, the stats are so far off its not even funny. My most used name says I have only 23 hours of playing. On xfire, I have over 1000 hours of PR time. and the actual stats are pretty damn uraneous and off.

General_J0k3r
2007-03-23, 10:38
Stats are a tool EA uses to control you. Forget about them.
yeah. EA are like a secret government trying to ruin your playing style :D

.:iGi:.U.G.H.
2007-03-23, 12:21
AC3421']The stats link up at the top that takes you to BF2 Stats.com. When I look up any of my SN's, the stats are so far off its not even funny. My most used name says I have only 23 hours of playing. On xfire, I have over 1000 hours of PR time. and the actual stats are pretty damn uraneous and off.


Weird. Mine are correct. Always have been. Always updates within 12 hours as well.

.:iGi:.U.G.H.
2007-03-23, 12:25
Stats are a nice way to see what you have done/how well you are doing. For all of you saying that stats dont mean anything on pr; this is a game just like all other games, people like to be able to see how well they do (as far as accuracy, kills/deaths, what weapons/vehicles you are best with) in that game. Why do you think PR is any different? If you are referring to RANK and unlocks then yes you can say there are no unlocks to achieve through RANK.

Exactly.

And to the contrary of what most people are saying, stats are important in the respect that they can actually IMPROVE teamwork. PR rewards teamwork more than kills (occasional sniper shots aside) so if points make people play more as a team then i'm all for it and I can't think why people wouldn't be. And if you don't care for them, just don't look at them. Simple.

.:iGi:.U.G.H.
2007-03-23, 12:28
Stats mean absolutely nothing in PR... you can do absolutely nothing (it seems) and get hundreds of points.

You clearly don't understand how the system works. Go look it up.

The bottom line is though, the more you play as a team and the higher skilled you are, the higher your will score, so they are valid. ;)

Hx.Clavdivs
2007-03-23, 12:31
Even if your replies are entertaining, very few of you are actually answering his question.

From the top, once again.
As you already know, PR does not use the same ranking system as vBF2. v standing for "vanilla" and means original and not modded version of BF2. PR can use an alternative ranking system called Alternative Battlefield Ranking.

Since no servers hosting PR are official BF2 servers, they are all privatly funded. It is up to them to decide if they want to have ABR on their server. Some choose not to and some do. You can usually find the ones who have ABR by looking at their names. F.example the Helix server: "HeliX #1 PR 0.509 ABR RANKED"

This is the reason why you can look at xfire and see (f.example) 1000 hours played and in ABR only 300 hours played.

In regards to getting promoted several times when joining a ABR server, the - bah - I wont bother with the technical explenation -

Solution: Download the ABR Client. You can do so here (http://bf2-archiv.planet-multiplayer.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=179). ABR's mainpage can be found here: http://www.battlefieldranking.net/

Start up the ABR client. Your username and password is identical to your BF2 account. Now, start up BF2. Click on BFHQ and voila. You will now get "promoted" once again. Annoying yes, but ... Disconnect ABR and choose any ABR hosted server and you will see that the game now remembers your rank.

If you want to read more about this, you can go to ABR's page, or you can use the handy search function on this forum. It has tons of information about ranks and ABR.

Happy hunting.

zeidmaan
2007-03-23, 14:09
nice explanation, only that link doesn't work.
Heres a good one
http://bf2-archiv.planet-multiplayer.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=179

wooly-back-jack
2007-03-23, 14:42
I only use the ABR when I go on a ABR server because Im sick of getting promotion/award spam.
I hate stats, its what has ruined battlefield games. (people tk to get the J10 so they can go rape the carrier all round to up their KD:R then wave their forum willy on BF2S like people care lol.)
I really wish all servers would stop using ABR, It is annoying. It doesnt even report stats correctly (not logged ANY UK hours, weapon/kit stats are wrong for PR anyway.)
Better games to be had on unranked servers imo, people will go the extra mile in squads for you because they are not bothered about protecting KD:R or getting some award.
Also, how can some servers be ranked AND have shorter respawn times? I avoid short respawn time servers like the plague, just full of nilla players with nilla attitude if you ask me.

DivS-konti
2007-03-23, 14:55
Exactly.

And to the contrary of what most people are saying, stats are important in the respect that they can actually IMPROVE teamwork. PR rewards teamwork more than kills (occasional sniper shots aside) so if points make people play more as a team then i'm all for it and I can't think why people wouldn't be. And if you don't care for them, just don't look at them. Simple.

Same opinion here! :)

Remember, the stats also show how much TKs one did. Stats system is good and shouldn't be removed!!!
We talked about that in other threads of these forums. If one gets rewarded for teamplay-actions he/ she will act different! Please keep that always in mind!

Sure, the stats might be the reason why ppl want to act like J.J. Rambo. BUT: those ppl won't vanish when the stats get deleted. As I already suggested, ABR has to get altered that way, that players get awarded for certain gameplay! New awards that make sense can help improving teamplay!!!

hx.bjoffe
2007-03-23, 15:54
PR rewards teamwork more than kills (occasional sniper shots aside) so if points make people play more as a team then i'm all for it and I can't think why people wouldn't be.

However it still do reward kills, but do not punish deaths. Wich i find pretty unbalanced. And a lot of actual teamworkefforts are not even rewarded... (not sure, but cant remember getting a single ammogiving-point, or repair-point etc). But even without ABR, theres still whoring just for the end-round-credit.
I agree with you to some extent ("lets use asbects of STATS to trick the ones who dont care about the overall importants of teamplay into doing teamwork"), but in many cases doing the best for your team means not reaching top5 of the round, and vice versa.
Overall i think the abscense of accumulated stats would increase teamplay, and promotions could be given by the Community (eg. "player recommendation thread").
Just dont get to hungup about it.

KatanaGFR
2007-03-23, 16:06
Solution: Download the ABR Client. You can do so here (http://www.battlefieldranking.net/remository/Download/ABR_Files/ABRsetup-1.21.exe.html/). ABR's mainpage can be found here: http://www.battlefieldranking.net/



Like i already mentioned before, that link is dead.



nice explanation, only that link doesn't work.
Heres a good one
http://bf2-archiv.planet-multiplayer.de/forum/downloads.php?do=file&id=179

Thanks zeidmaan. Saves me looking on a search engine for a working download.

wooly-back-jack
2007-03-23, 17:01
However it still do reward kills, but do not punish deaths. Wich i find pretty unbalanced. And a lot of actual teamworkefforts are not even rewarded... (not sure, but cant remember getting a single ammogiving-point, or repair-point etc). But even without ABR, theres still whoring just for the end-round-credit.
I agree with you to some extent ("lets use asbects of STATS to trick the ones who dont care about the overall importants of teamplay into doing teamwork"), but in many cases doing the best for your team means not reaching top5 of the round, and vice versa.
Overall i think the abscense of accumulated stats would increase teamplay, and promotions could be given by the Community (eg. "player recommendation thread").
Just dont get to hungup about it.

totally agree, no points for transport pilots no points for repair. (I spent bloody ages fixing every bridge which was cut on al Basrah as Insurgent and got naff all for it lol.)
I'd rather respect people from ingame and give them credit on here in the player reccomendation thread than have a player think he can demand respect by flashing his e-peen k/d:r. Stats do not tell the full story.
Often players with good stats actually suck ingame. they are a liability to your team because they are not interested in much else apart from their own stats.

Hx.Clavdivs
2007-03-23, 18:20
Like i already mentioned before, that link is dead.

Thanks zeidmaan. Saves me looking on a search engine for a working download.


OMG, I fixed the link. Look at me! Look at me! Sorry about the dead link, but again - LOOK AT ME - I HAVE A LINK THAT WORKS.

1) fixed link - check
2) being snotty - check

Now, has anybody considered that people might want to download that client just to get rid of the promotions at the beginning of the game?

And again, we are discussing something that has been discussed countless of times. Did the original author of this thread ask your opinion? Let me check - NO.

3) beeing arrogant and an ass - check.
4) Flamed for grammar and spelling - check
My job here is done.

General_J0k3r
2007-03-23, 18:21
point system will be overhauled in 0.6 afaik. relax :)

TheToecutter
2007-03-23, 18:33
3) beeing arrogant and an ass - check.
4) Flamed for grammar and spelling - pending

My job here is done.


You spelled 'being' wrong..... didn't want that pending to hang out there too long... ;) (j/k)

Actually, I kinda like getting that PFC promotion every once in a while. Gives me a little warm & fuzzy feeling... :-)

JL
2007-03-23, 20:13
I'm a recovering stataholic and have been trying to stay away from ABR servers.. I did mention once that the tank drivers don't get recognition for the gunners kills.. without the driver the gunner wouldn't be alive :) but other than that i don't care to see my stats outside of a round.. like vbf2.

.:iGi:.U.G.H.
2007-03-24, 01:05
I only use the ABR when I go on a ABR server because Im sick of getting promotion/award spam.
I hate stats, its what has ruined battlefield games. (people tk to get the J10 so they can go rape the carrier all round to up their KD:R then wave their forum willy on BF2S like people care lol.)
I really wish all servers would stop using ABR, It is annoying. It doesnt even report stats correctly (not logged ANY UK hours, weapon/kit stats are wrong for PR anyway.)
Better games to be had on unranked servers imo, people will go the extra mile in squads for you because they are not bothered about protecting KD:R or getting some award.
Also, how can some servers be ranked AND have shorter respawn times? I avoid short respawn time servers like the plague, just full of nilla players with nilla attitude if you ask me.

Well stats don't ruin PR. As I said, they promote teamwork. Unless the lone wolfers who are just looking for kills get a hell of a lot of kills and very little deaths they will rarely score well. (rediculous sniper multiplier excluded but that will be addressed in 0.7 along with the scoring audit).

.:iGi:.U.G.H.
2007-03-24, 01:11
However it still do reward kills, but do not punish deaths. Wich i find pretty unbalanced. And a lot of actual teamworkefforts are not even rewarded... (not sure, but cant remember getting a single ammogiving-point, or repair-point etc). But even without ABR, theres still whoring just for the end-round-credit.
I agree with you to some extent ("lets use asbects of STATS to trick the ones who dont care about the overall importants of teamplay into doing teamwork"), but in many cases doing the best for your team means not reaching top5 of the round, and vice versa.
Overall i think the abscense of accumulated stats would increase teamplay, and promotions could be given by the Community (eg. "player recommendation thread").
Just dont get to hungup about it.

Erm, it does punish deaths. I take it you haven't noticed the KDR bonus?

You're right about certain team actions not giving points though when it should. That's a major problem but will hopefully be addressed in the audit. The more points people can be given for teamwork as opposed to lone wolf antics the more people will play as a team. That's fact. People like to do well and a lot of people like to have it recorded. And if that means they get recognised as being the guy who transported everyone all game or whatever then great, everyone's a winner. :)

JL
2007-03-24, 02:59
I noticed the KDR bonus before, its great, I hope that isn't going to disappear?

hmm.. is it possible to make tanks and vehicles run out of gas? just thinking you could have a tanker that has to refuel the vehicles randomly through the battle, but that might be going too far for a video game, anyone remember the old tanker trucks in DC? would be cool to be an engineer or crewman driving in a convoy of supply trucks / tankers that had to get from A to B with a convoy of armor support securing locations and a designated path, say you got to checkpoint 1 and had to turn the flag from neutral to occupied before moving to the next location? just reading the last post about getting points for doing things other than kill, would be cool to provide support for an entire convoy instead of just a VIP SUV (which is still cool! and happens 'irl') :)

*LuNa*Coyote
2007-03-24, 10:34
Only problem I have with the ABR client is that it doesn't seem to work anymore. It worked fine for a week or 2 and than I just started getting errors while launching :mad:

When I launch it, it gives "Problem with writing the file for rewrite" ... press OK, it continues to go to the browser. I can see the the Public Ranked World: 4 / PR 0.5 : 11 etc etc servers, but when I click it I get the same error again "Problem with writing the file for rewrite".

Again you can press OK but now gives "Problem writing file" , again you can press OK and it gives "I/O error 103" and nothing shows up after that :mad:

I tried reinstalling several times, but it doesn't help =/

Snake_doctor
2007-03-24, 12:44
yeah. EA are like a secret government trying to ruin your playing style :D
lol:25_flamer burn sats lol

Mongolian_dude
2007-03-24, 12:48
Stats are a tool EA uses to control you. Forget about them.

I'd have to agree with him though.
It was a clever idea and now they have advanced it for 2142.
I think they must have though 'How do MMORPGs get such a HUGE audience and rake it in?'....The lure of development and advancing and effectively becomming the best.
The points do exactly that....in my opinion :)

...mongol...

ArmedDrunk&Angry
2007-03-24, 13:28
I like stats and I would love to see stats on how accurate you are with any given weapon. By that I mean how many rounds fired compared to how rounds hit.
I don't think that is possible and if it were it would not be worth the time taken away from creating more great maps and cool toys.
I love get promoted because I'm shallow and vain but it really doesn't mean that much in this game.
On the other hand, the few people out there with officer ranks earned them and are worth following and listening to unlike vBF.