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Michael_Denmark
2016-10-03, 12:54
The nominal history of the commander players in the Project Reality Tournament
2006 - 2016

Dear commander players and others interested

I want to find out how many tournament players, who has played the function of the PRT Commander, since campaign 1, back in 2006 until campaign 12, our time, in 2016. The function is incredibly difficult to master and as consequence it is far from all having completed a full campaign.

Motivation
My curiosity is based on my original question:

Can the commander players learn anything, from the absolute amount of commander players, having completed the entirety of one or more tournament campaigns, compared to the amount not having accomplished a full campaign?

Nominal data needed
In order to ask that question, however, the nominal figures has to be established first;


How many commander players has there been in total?
How many did not complete a full campaign?


For the players having completed at least one full campaign, I ask the following questions:


how many completed one full campaign?
how many completed one full and partly a second campaign?



how many completed two full campaigns?
how many completed two full and partly a third campaign?



how many completed three full campaigns?
how many completed three full and partly a fourth campaign?



I my self completed one full campaign as the appointed commander of the C5 PELA Team - People's Elite Liberation Army ? Opfor and partly as the appointed commander of the C6 CATA 2 Army - Central Asian Treaty Alliance ? Opfor.


My questions to you
I therefore ask to anyone, who remembers, either who in person or how many, who was appointed as the tactical team commander, in the following twelve campaigns:


Tactical Team Commanders

- C1 ARRC Team - Allied Rapid Reaction Corps - Blufor
(UK_force partly completed)
(Gaz partly completed)

- C1 EJOD Team - Eastern Joint Operations Division - Opfor (DEDMON5811 completed)


- C2 NODFOR Team - NATO Defence Force - Blufor (Alex L. completed)
- C2 ASOG Team - Arab Special Operations Group - Opfor
(Maverick partly completed)
(H1tman partly completed)
(Kravixon partly completed)


- C3 NARFOR Team - North Atlantic Response Force - Blufor
(Alex L. partly completed)
(Hitperson partly completed)

- C3 PELA Team - People's Elite Liberation Army - Opfor
(Unknown? partly completed)
(Solitas partly completed)


- C4 ARRC Team - Allied Rapid Reaction Corps - Blufor
(Hitperson partly completed?)

- C4 RFAD Team - Rapid Force Assault Detachment - Opfor (Deg.0 completed)


- C5 BCST Team - British Combined Services Taskforce - Blufor
(NiGHTWolf partly completed)
(Solitas partly completed)
(GrayeKnight partly completed)

- C5 USEF Team - United States Expeditionary Force - Blufor (CasualtyUR completed)
- C5 MEDI Team - Middle East Defense Initiative - Opfor (H1tman completed)
- C5 PELA Team - People's Elite Liberation Army - Opfor (Michael_Denmark completed)


- C6 NATO 1 & NATO 2 Armies - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor
(Mars partly completed)
(Noobofthenight partly completed)
(Eddiereyes partly completed))

- C6 CATA 1 & CATA 2 Armies - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor (H1tman completed)
(Michael_Denmark partly completed)
(Bonsai partly completed)


- C7 NATO 1 & NATO 2 Armies- North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor
(Eddiereyes partly completed)
(Smeggles partly completed)

- C7 CATA 1, CATA 2 & CATA 3 Armies - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor (Aquiller completed)
(Bonsai partly completed)
(HunterMed partly completed)
(Afvalbak partly completed)
(H1tman partly completed)


- C8 Unified NATO Team (Alpha & Bravo) - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor (P*Funk completed)
(Jigsaw partly completed)


- C8 CATA 2 & CATA 3 Armies - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor (Afvalbak completed)
(Aquiller partly completed)
(L4gi partly completed)


- C8.5 NATO
- C8.5 CATA


- C9 NATO Alpha & Charlie Armies - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor (AgentMongoose completed)
- C9 Unified CATA Team - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor (Bonsai completed)


- C10 PAC Team - Pan Atlantic Coalition - Blufor (Cruzmissile completed)
- C10 EMF Team - Eastern Military Federation - Opfor
(Age partly completed)
(Danger partly completed)
(Snipd partly completed)


- C11 PDI Team - Pacific Defense Initiative (Hotfranc completed)
(Fnixer? partly completed)

- C11 MRF Team - Mediterranean Response Force (Aleon completed)

- C12 APN Team - Allied Pacific Nations (ytman completed)
- C12 EMC Team - Euro-Arabian Millitary Coalition Force (Senshi completed)

- C13 VOG TEAM - Vanguard Operations Group (CAS_ual_TY in progress)
- C13 RPX TEAM - Riamh Pax (PeppeJ in progress)




And for the appointed Supreme Commanders, names and or numbers, are needed for the sixth to the eleventh campaign. Preferable if a full campaign was completed or not:


Supreme Commanders

- C6 NATO 1 & NATO 2 Armies - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor
- C6 CATA 1 & CATA 2 Armies - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor

- C7 NATO 1 & NATO 2 Armies- North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor
- C7 CATA 1, CATA 2 & CATA 3 Armies - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor


- C8 Unified NATO Team (Alpha & Bravo) - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor
(Eddiereyes partly completed)
(Colonelcool partly completed)
(P*Funk partly completed)

- C8 CATA 2 & CATA 3 Armies - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor (Afvalbak completed)
(Aquiller partly completed)
(L4gi partly completed)


- C8.5 NATO (P*Funk completed)
- C8.5 CATA


- C9 NATO Alpha & Charlie Armies - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor (P*Funk completed)
- C9 Unified CATA Team - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor (Orthas completed)

- C10 PAC Team - Pan Atlantic Coalition - Blufor (Spook completed)
- C10 EMF Team - Eastern Military Federation - Opfor (Norby completed)

- C11 PDI Team - Pacific Defense Initiative (Danger completed)
- C11 MRF Team - Mediterranean Response Force (Cossack completed)

- C12 APN TEAM - Allied Pacific Nations (Yrkidding completed)
- C12 EMC TEAM - Euro-Arabian Millitary Coalition (Philrow completed)

- C13 VOG TEAM - Vanguard Operations Group (Mattytoosack in progress)
- C13 RPX TEAM - Riamh Pax (WebCole in progress)


Is it shameful not to have completed a full campaign?
The short and full answer is no. Having stepped up to the plate is simply put brave. Because when doing so, you expose your self in so many ways, to everyone, while simultaneously, confront the most steep learning curve in the entire game.

Please understand this is not about who is best or not. Competition is not an issue here.

Both the CO and the SCO function, really is incredible difficult to master. It involves hundreds if not thousands of decisions to be made, throughout a single campaign. Hundreds of meetings, opinions, agreements, disagreements, expectations, frictions, ambitions, compromises, adjustments, initiatives and so forth.

This is about getting the numbers down and from there on, start to ask questions.


Why I decided to post my questions in this forum
I respectfully posted in the commander forums, since very few of the old commander players seems to visit the tournament site.

My hope is that at least some of the old players from those teams may remember who or how many commander players, was appointed to a specific team, during a specific campaign.

I hope you will help getting the numbers down, so we can start to ask questions based on data.


NOTE
this post will be edited as names or numbers are posted in the thread.
Please read Post 8 for updates on information needed!

Web_cole
2016-10-03, 14:55
You might also need to define what you mean by Commanders, as some of those functions changed as the PRT evolved.

In the modern PRT we have Supreme Commanders who are responsible for administration and management of the team, and Commanders who are responsible for the planning and execution of PRT matches. In the past I think those functions overlapped a lot more, and may not even have been separate roles.

In addition to that, last campaign (C11) I played the role of XO for MRF where I took up a number of responsibilities in support of both the SCO and CO including team admin, and in-game support for the CO and his decision making processes. Should XOs therefore have consideration within the framework of your question?

- C9 NATO Alpha & Charlie Armies - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor (NATO Alpha CO: AgentMongoose)
- C9 Unified CATA Team - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor

...

- C11 PDI Team - Pacific Defense Initiative (SCO: Danger, CO: Hotfranc)
- C11 MRF Team - Mediterranean Response Force (SCO: Cossack, CO: Aleon)

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-03, 15:12
Campaign 9 and 11:

Thanks Web_cole

Yes, of course, I should have defined the function as the tactical Team Commander.

The Supreme Commander, was if I recall correctly, introduced in Campaign 6 and the administrators, should I recall correctly, also asked us as tactical Team Commanders, about the idea, back in the last part of Campaign 5?

- C11 PDI Team - Pacific Defense Initiative (SCO: Danger, CO: Hotfranc)
- C11 MRF Team - Mediterranean Response Force (SCO: Cossack, CO: Aleon)

Did all four complete the full campaign?

- C9 NATO Alpha & Charlie Armies - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - Blufor (NATO Alpha CO: AgentMongoose)

Do you know if AgentMongoose complete the full campaign?

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-03, 15:32
Campaign 11:

It seems, from the tournament news, campaign 11, that

SCO: Cossack, CO: Aleon and SCO: Danger all completed a full campaign, right?

Cossack
2016-10-03, 15:34
Yeah, me, Aleon and Danger completed full campaign.

Web_cole
2016-10-03, 15:54
Did all four complete the full campaign?



Do you know if AgentMongoose complete the full campaign?

All of them did as far as I know, yes.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-03, 16:02
Campaign 10:

Okay then, Campaign 10, copy pasted from the tournament news, starting and ending SCOs and COs:

PAC
Both SCO Spook and CO Cruzmissile [PAC], seems to have completed the full campaign, right?

Supreme Commanding Officer (SCO): Spook, Germany
Commanding Officer (CO): Cruzmissile, United States of America

EMF
SCO Norby [EMF] seem to have completed a full campaign?
CO Age [EMF], CO Danger [EMF] and CO Snipd [EMF] seem to have partly completed a campaign, right?
Supreme Commanding Officer (SCO): Norby, Germany
Commanding Officer (CO): Snipd, United States of America

***

Yeah, me, Aleon and Danger completed full campaign.

Thanks for that information Cossack, much appreciated.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-03, 16:26
Some of the following player names found, was deployed after a search I made throughout the member list of the tournament. Other player names has now been added by people from the community. Many times it is important that an information has more than one source, so validation from others is important.

I attempt to thank everyone having helped with information.

Web_cole, DonDoom, Wicca, Murkey, Fnixer, L4gi, Alex L., HunterMed, Saobh, Outlawz, decoy.dk, PFunk, sweedensniiperr, Cossack, Sekh765, AgentMongoose, MaSSive, Yrkidding, H1tman, Woolfson, Danger_6, Hotfranc, Spook, DEDMON5811, Smeggles

***

INFORMATION WANTED


DEDMON5811, the first and only EJOD team CMDR, from campaign 1, and I found him October 26th, PM send to him and he replied on the same day, after having been offline the forums for a very long time.

DEDMON5811 completed the first campaign from start to end, thereby being the first commander player, having completed a camping in the tournament. So, with his PM, we now have response and information, from one of the first two commander players, in the great Project Reality Tournament. Awesome and Thank you again DEDMON5811!

The EJOD team, also being the first Opfor team, is to this day in 2016, the only team in the tournament having used the same name as a PR map.


CasualtyUR, I am so far unable to get in contact with him through the PM system and I do not have any other contact information, so if anyone from the community has such a contact, it will help the project a lot, to notify him on this tread. CasualtyUR has participated in at least 7 campaigns, from the start of the tournament and he stepped up to the plate as commander, helping a team once again, in campaign 10.

Maverick, is the PR player using the name "the.ultimate.maverick" ...after having gone through some of his threads today October 26th, I found the proof in the "USM" Thread, where he post on having run an ASOG training, in the Project Reality Tournament.

USM
I've just run an ASOG (Project Reality Tournament) practice. It ran from about 2000GMT till 2330 GMT with about 30-35 guys there.
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-bf2-general-discussion/7088-usm.html

Question then is if he has continued to call him self the.ultimate.maverick in other PR related places, clans end etc.

Afvalbak retired CATA CO, might have information on both the starting and mid campaigns, however, I am unable to get in contact with him, his PM inbox is full. If anyone here can get in contact with him, please tell him that his memory is needed.
Hitperson, he participated in the beginning campaigns and I do remember him too, however, not if he played as CO at some point, - help?
bonsai - Retired CATA SCO C7, did he complete the full campaign? Also CO in C7 and C9, please help with validated information?
Grayeknight NATO, did he not play both as CO and SCO in C6?, before being appointed to tournament lead?
Salah ad Din, CATA 1 CO, but in what campaign?
Khidr did play as CATA CO did he not? C6 or C7 perhaps? information needed?
I also remember a player with the name Clypp, did he play in the tournament as a CO? Before C5 that would be.
We need to find out if Alex L. resigned in campaign 6 or 7, because with that we will know when Casualty was NATO SCO, Grayknight perhaps NATO CO and SCO too. In post 11 a source describe the replacement that took place.
Fnixer - starting PDI CO (source PM October 4th and post 36, however, new source October 20th state Fnixer should be mentioned as an appointed CO having participated in a very short amount of time, no battle commanding included. The two reasons for mentioning Fnixer, are to [1] respecting he stepped up to the plate and [2] letting the community know he has been appointed by the tournament administration)
So it is most probably Hotfranc, having done most or all of the commanding, remember to watch the videos!
***

Video links

HunterMed (some of the CATA teams)
https://www.youtube.com/user/hunterMi

Murkey (several tournament videoes)
https://www.youtube.com/user/gergmukey

Joseph Schlimmer (potential CATA 1 info on a battle CO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GAUKrlFEE

Official PRT tube channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZSeAErEsJelu7VWANHFlHw

Gaz3447 (campaign 1)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkaRGABXp1Hj8V7scTetH2g

Project Reality - Chinese JDAM in PRT Extra Battle (0:48 a CATA 1 battle CO appears on screen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4hM6V3ZLT4
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From campaign 1 to 3 the CO position was named CMDR

Campaign 1: 1 or 2 battles during the spring of 2006. Start date was 02-18-2006 (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-bf2-general-discussion/53559-history-project-reality.html)
UK_force - starting ARRC CMDR (source post 28 )
DEADMON5811 - starting and ending EJOD CMDR (source DEDMON5811 him self)
Gaz - Replacement ARRC CMDR for UK_Force until the end of the campaign (source post 28 )
Alex L. - possible replacement ARRC CMDR (Source PM October 24)
CasualtyUR might also have been playing as ARRC CO? (source PM PRT October 18)

Maverick - possible replacement EJOD CMDR for DEADMON5811? (did I have a source for this? check out Saobh PMs?, but we do have a source now, a thread posted by the.ultimate.maverick on a scrim between EJOD and ARRC, here it is: http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-bf2-general-discussion/6254-ejod-vs-arrc.html)


Campaign 2: at least 5 battles during the summer of 2006
Alex L. - starting and ending NODFOR CMDR (validated by primary source post 28 )
Maverick - starting ASOG CMDR (source PM October 10 2016 and Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20060820160433/http://www.tournament.realitymod.com/) )
Kravixon - replacement PELA CO after Maverick (source post 54)
H1tman - replacement PELA CO after Kravixon (source post 54)


Campaign 3: x battles during the fall of 2006
Alex L. - starting NARFOR CO? (source in post 28 )
Hitperson - replacement NARFOR CO (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20061104233919/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))
Maverick - starting PELA CO? (source post 54)
Solitas - replacement PELA CO (we have two image sources to proof that: The first is where we find Solitas as an ordinary soldier in the bottom of the picture, just above the Administration-line. Note the date and the amount of players equal 782: Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20061011162404/http://tournament.realitymod.com/), and the second image source, is where we see Solitas as CO. Again, note the date and the amount of players, this time being 813. Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20061104233919/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))


Campaign 4: x battles during the winters of 2006 and 2007
Deg.0 - starting and possible ending RFAD CO (source post 28 and PM October 9 2016)
Hitperson - starting or replacement ARRC CO (image source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20061011162404/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))
CasualtyUR possible ARRC CO (source PRT PM October 18th)
Fullforce - starting ARRC CO?
casualtyUR - replacement ARRC CO?
*** I think we almost can rule Fullforce out as an ARRC CO, since the image source attached to Hitperson, clearly show Fullforce as an Admin. Need to send a PM to Fullforce. I wish CasualtyUR would reply my PM.


Campaign 5: 10 battles during the spring and summer of 2007
H1tman - starting and ending MEDI CO - (validated by primary source in post 54 and in image source (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20070429232035/http://tournament.realitymod.com/)))
Michael_Denmark - starting and ending PELA CO (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20070429232035/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))
CasualtyUR - starting and possible ending USEF CO ( source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20070429232035/http://tournament.realitymod.com/)
NiGHTWolf - Starting BCST CO (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20070429232035/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))
Solitas - replacement BCST CO for NiGHTWolf (source PM October 10 2016 and source PM October the 4 and image source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20070703173912/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))
GrayeKnight - replacement BCST CO for Solitas (source Project Reality Tournament Forums - Powered by vBulletin (http://web.archive.org/web/20070805063840/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))


Maybe we got campaign 5 covered now? Seems Casualty, I and H1tman completed. Structure wise not a bad result, the enlargement of the tournament structure, taking into account.


Campaign 6: 10 battles during the winter of 2007 to the start of summer 2008
CasualtyUR - starting or replacement NATO SCO (source in PM October the 18 and source in post 11)
H1tman - starting and ending CATA 1 CO (validated by primary source in post 54)
H1tman - possible starting end ending CATA SCO (source my CATA 2 PM, the 2008 CATA COs and admin meeting)
Grayeknight - possible starting NATO SCO (source post 11)
CasualtyUR - starting and possible ending NATO 1 CO (source PM October the 18th)
Mars - starting NATO 2 CO (source PM October the 4 and the 18th)
Noobofthenight - replacement NATO 2 CO for Mars (source PM October the 4th and the 18th)
Eddiereyes - replacement NATO 2 CO for Noobofthenight and also ending NATO CO (source PM October the 4th and the 18th)
Michael_Denmark - starting CATA 2 CO (source my self)
Bonsai - replacement CATA 2 CO (source my self)


Campaign 7: at least 7 battles during the fall of 2008 to the spring of 2009 (start November 15)
(source https://web.archive.org/web/20081122115822/http://tournament.realitymod.com/index.php)
Eddiereyes - starting or replacement NATO SCO (source post 43) (PM send)
CasualtyUR - possible NATO SCO (source post 55)
CasualtyUR starting and possible ending NATO 1 CO (source post 55)
Eddiereyes - starting NATO 2 CO including the first four battles (source PM October the 4th and PM November 2nd)
Smeggles - replacement NATO 2 CO after Eddiereyes and also ending NATO 2 CO ((source post 55 and PM November 2nd)
Farks - NATO 1 CO (battle 3 on Barracuda validated but how many battles and was he the starting NATO CO) (PM send)

Bonsai - starting CATA 2 SCO (source my PM 2008 when Bonsai explain about campaign 6 battles)
Bonsai or Aquiller starting CATA 2 CO? (source my PM 2008 when Bonsai explain about campaign 6 battles)
H1tman - starting CATA 1 CO until team got banned (validated by primary source in post 54)
Aquiller - re-starting and re-creating CATA 1 CO after former team got banned
Aquiller - starting and ending the new CATA 1 SCO
HunterMed - replacement CATA 2 CO after Aquiller (validated by primary source in PM October 10 2016)
Jigsaw - NATO CO in C7, C8?
Scot - NATO CO in C7, C8?


NATO CO in C7 - maybe not appointed CO. Perhaps a deal with Eddiereyes to play as battle CO
Funk - NATO CO in C7, C8?
Tirak - NATO CO in C7, C8? (PM send)

Afvalbak - CATA 2 CO (who took over after Bonsai? because Hunter was the ending CATA 2 CO, after he replaced Aquiller. But did Aquiller then replace Bonsai as starting on CATA 2? (source from Bonsai PM August 2008, just after he got appointed as the starting CATA 2 CO and CATA SCO too)


Campaign 8: 7 battles during late summer of 2009 and perhaps to late winter or the spring of 2010
Source for campaign 8 start: Campaign 8 signups open Aug 22nd (http://www.lmcgaming.com/forums/index.php?topic=3055.0)
Source for campaign 8 end: Lost Platoon (http://www.lost-platoon.be/index.php?site=news_comments&newsID=218&lang=uk)
Aquiller - starting CATA SCO
Aquiller - starting CATA CO
L4gi - CATA SC (which CATA team?)
Afvalbak - Seems he completed the entire campaign for which CATA team?
Orthas - Ending CATA 2 CO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGhQ8VhnFfA)
Jigsaw - Starting NATO CO (source post 55)
PFunk - starting and ending NATO Bravo CO (validated by primary source in post 55)
Eddiereyes - starting NATO SCO (source post 55)
Colonelcool - replacement NATO SCO after Eddiereyes (source post 55)
PFunk - ending replacement NATO SCO after Colonelcool (source post 55)
cfschris starting NATO but resigning before first battle (source post 63 and also the image source proofing he was appointed https://web.archive.org/web/20090830163656/http://tournament.realitymod.com/)


Campaign 8.5: 6-7 battles during the spring of 2010
P*Funk - starting and ending NATO SCO (source post 57)
Orthas - starting CATA SCO and possible ending too (source post 57, post 59, PM October 21 )
Bonsai - possible starting and ending CATA CO (source post 30, PM October 21)
Who was then the NATO CO?

1. Yamalia (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/78455-c8-5-b1-sunday-28th-march.html): the CATA rush in helicopters on NATO 2nd capable flag
2. Qwai River (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/78880-c8-5-b1-results-b2-announcement.html)
3. Beirut: (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/79307-c8-5-b2-results-b3-announcement.html) where NATO grayed CATAs last flag but failed to capture it
4. Quinling (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/79759-c8-5-b3-results-b4-announcement.html)
5. Fools Road (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/80153-c8-5-b5-announcement.html)
6. Muttrah (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/80479-c8-5-b5-results-b6-announcement.html)
7. Siege at Ochamchira is said to be played (source post ..) (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/80793-c8-5-b6-results-b7-announcement.html)

Source (Post 27, post 30 and in post 57 Web_cole as source, list 6 battles almost identical to the announced battles from the tournament news (http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/index4.html), also talking about a 7th battle that may not have occurred, since it has no following result)



Campaign 9: 10 battles during 2010-1011
Orthas - starting and possible ending CATA SCO (image source September 13th 2010, Project Reality Tournament (http://web.archive.org/web/20100923235337/http://tournament.realitymod.com/) and image source from 2nd Sign Ups C9: Project Reality Tournament (http://web.archive.org/web/20101125042120/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))

Bonsai - starting CATA CO (image source September 13th 2010 from campaign start, Project Reality Tournament (http://web.archive.org/web/20100923235337/http://tournament.realitymod.com/), and image source from battle 3, March 4 2011, where we see Bonsai as an ordinary soldier in the right side of the screen: Project Reality Tournament (http://web.archive.org/web/20110314203819/http://tournament.realitymod.com/). Then again, at the third image source, from March the 30, we see the close down of campaign 9, where the administration gives thanks to among the others, also Bonsai: Project Reality Tournament (http://web.archive.org/web/20110415091542/http://tournament.realitymod.com/) - So, Bonsai may have completed the campaign anyhow, ...what happened?)

P*Funk - starting NATO SCO for both NATO Alpha and Charlie teams (validated by primary source in post 55 and for the start of the campaign also supported by image source September 13 2010, Project Reality Tournament (http://web.archive.org/web/20100923235337/http://tournament.realitymod.com/))

P*Funk - starting and ending NATO Charlie CO (primary source post 55)

AgentMongoose - starting and possible ending NATO Alpha CO (source post 2) CO-Commander was Sekh (sources post 22 and 29 and also this video NATO C9b4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=443&v=6u5ywIRu-nY)


Campaign 10: 10 battles during 2014-2015
Spook - starting and ending PAC SCO (source PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - winner announcement)
Norby - starting and ending EMF SCO (source PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - winner announcement and post 14)
Cruzmissile - starting and ending PAC CO (source PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - winner announcement)
Snipd starting EMF CO (source post 36)
ElMariachi replacement EMF CO for Snipd (source post 36)
Agemman replacement EMF CO for ElMariachi (source PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - winner announcement
CasualtyUR replacement EMF CO for Agemman (source post 36)
Danger_6 replacement EMF CO for CasualtyUR and ending CO for the EMF team (source post 36)


Campaign 11: 10 battles during 2015-2016
Danger_6 - starting and ending PDI SCO (source post 5)
Cossack - starting and ending MRF SCO (source post 5)
Aleon - starting and ending MRF CO (source post 5 and other public sources)
Hotfranc - structural wise not the starting PDI CO, he replaced Fnixer who was the starting PDI CO, but because Fnixer had only been in command for a very short amount of time, Hotfranc was practical speaking, the starting PDI CO, participating in both the preparation battles, on Operation Marlin and on Burning Sands, plus X of the campaign battles as well, making Hotfranc the ending PDI CO too. (post 36 and PM source October 20th, and the following video sources from C11:

PR Tournament C11 - Operation Marlin Prepbattle #1 [Hotfranc as CO]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJx2ssD6DVI&index=7&list=PLpPb0lrNg0IHunWTONnFfAcGrusEP-ae2

PR Tournament - Burning Sands Prepbattle #2 [Hotfranc as CO]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1O1SJN18Xo

PR Tournament C11 - Nuijamaa [Senshi as CO?]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmMFPROi7o8&list=PLZhpqwPIV_h0ktFZiler-_5k-cNpGEoYj


Campaign 12 - 6* battles during 2016-2017
Yrkidding - starting and ending APN SCO
ytman - starting and ending APN CO
Philrow - starting and ending EMC SCO
Senshi - starting and ending EMC CO

*the administration under Onil had planned the campaign to last 8 battles, however, an integrated point system, did not allow for more than six battles to be fought. EMC as victor of the campaign, winning on points after battle 6.

Campaign 13 - 2017
Mattytoosack - starting VOG SCO
CAS_ual_TY - starting VOG CO
WebCole - starting RPX SCO
PeppeJ - sstarting RPX CO


we will only post the names from the current campaign in this draft post, until the campaign is over. Hereafter they will be deployed in post 1.
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Info on amount of work involved in the list so far:

1. Asking the Tournament Administration for access to the archives - my request was denied.
2. From Tournament Admin Onils advice, I started searching the tournament member list for people who had been mentioned as either CO or SCO. The search gave me some 15-20 player names and I indirectly learned, that a certain amount of the Admins also had been playing as either CO or SCO, although their profile does not mention it?
3. After my initial search through the tournament member list, I started a PM and Email operation, counting until today, between 50 to 100 PMs and emails. That is a minimum of 50-60 send, and an unknown amount replied. I have not counted the replied yet.
4. Created a thread in the commander forum, on the PR main site. Against my expectations, it rapidly got a lot of views and response. Glad for that - big time, boosting my dedication quite a bit.
5. From all the correspondence I learned that at least some people mentioned youtube videos as potential sources, so I started to search for videos and that proofed to be a useful source.
6. Asking the Tournament Administration to expand my PM inbox - my request was granted.
7. Sending out befriend to every CO and SCO player from the tournament, plus a few public COs too. Much more easy if I have their profiles listed. Besides commander players should befriend each other, why haven't I thought about that before, Jesus Christ 10 years has gone, how slow minded can I possible be - LOL?
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Thoughts on my mistakes I so far have noticed my self:

First of all, I should have made a default formula, for people to fill out. That would have made both the personal interactions and the data collection, more easy to develop. I dont think the formula would have been an obstacle for some of the more difficult conversations I have run into, because with it, there would always have been the option to fall back on it, and restart an otherwise loaded dialogue.

Secondly, I should have created a deeper definition of the two completion statuses, I decided to make use of. Being, Completed and Partly Completed. So for the future result list, I now think a deeper definition should be considered. That way, we ensure every single person having stepped up to the plate, gets noticed by the community. I will post on it in the thread and ask for suggestions too. In fact, I should probably have asked for suggestions from the start.

Thirdly, when facing situations, where conflict of acknowledgment exists, and they do more than I had thought of, before I started up this project, I should have initiated a debate on the issue, with the people in the thread, before starting to contact anyone. Should probably have asked questions like; a) when two or more guys wants to be credited for the volume of work involved, in this CO/SCO dynamic, how to 1) approach that in the first place, and 2) should it be left out of the data collection, in order not to stir things up?

Fourthly, regarding the video sources on the battles, I should have prepared my self, by creating a dedicated thread for all of them, which everyone reading the thread, could use to confirm related statements and lack of memory.
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Listing the players having been appointed only, or also played as SCO and or CO


UK_force
DEDMON5811
Gaz
Maverick (apparently banned in 2006, but his profile still exist, he used the PR player name, the.ultimate.maverick)
Casualty
Alex L.
H1tman
Kravixon
Hitperson
Solitas
Deg.0
Fullforce
NiGHTWolf
GrayeKnight
Mars
Noobofthenight
Eddiereyes
Michael_Denmark
Bonsai
HunterMed
Aquiller
L4gi
Farks
Jigsaw
cfschris (appointed as starting CO but resigning before the first real battle)
Scot
Smeg
P*Funk
Tirak
Afvalbak
Orthas
Colonelcool
AgentMongoose
Spook
Norby
Cruzmissile
Snipd
ElMariachi
Agemman
Danger_6
Cossack
Aleon
Fnixer (appointed as starting CO but resigning before the first preparation battle)
Hotfranc
Yrkidding
ytman
Philrow
Senshi
Mattytoosack
CAS_ual_TY
WebCole
PeppeJ

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Quotes and links to threads and posts, related to info on why a team or campaign failed to deliver a commander not completing from start to end. No chronological order deployed:
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02-12-2007, 02:41 AM
PR Tourney Vets Call to Arms!
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f82-pr-general-discussion-archives/15400-pr-tourney-vets-call-arms-2.html

post 16
[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude
Im in.
Im porbly going ARRC wih all the changes to air power.
Also, you bloody bastardos who deserted the ARRC in C4
You'd better be comming back to ARRC. Thats right, Squidy, Rank, Wormeaten, Blind, Powder you are all commin ARRC wether you like it or not. Even though C3 was legendary for being the worst Campainge. Man, you thought that C4 lost alot of players? In C3, on Shongua stalemate only 13 PLA showed up lol.
C5 is gonna kick anus.


...mongol...

post 36
TII
Is Maverick still around? He was a good commander...
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11-14-2006, 07:52 PM
PR Official Tournament - Signups are now OPEN.
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f82-pr-general-discussion-archives/11313-pr-official-tournament-signups-now-open.html
Alex L.
The tournament will last for 5 to 7 matches, which are placed in a 2-week battlecycle. Matches are big (1 map with 900-1000 tickets) and usually last 1,5 to 2,5 hours, every other Saturday. Team trainings will be announced by the commanders. With 5 matches, that will place the end of the tournament roughly in February 2007. The first match is Saturday the 25th of November; 10 days from the day this post is written.

Tournament matches will be hosted on gloryhound servers, during which time the public server will be dissengaged in order to diminish lag issues.

The tourmanent is considered to be the teamwork experience in the community. Teams are very tighly organised to provide the most realistic experience possible. Previous succesful team commanders include battle-experienced leaders such as UK_Force, Wraith and Gaz, who serve on the R-DEV team today.

I can wholeheartedly reccomend joining one of the teams (US/Brit vs MEC/Insurgents) to participate in this unique experience; its heaps of fun and will let you experience the new 0.4 release from a whole new perspective - that of extensive teamwork and professionality. Its great for noobs to learn some new skils, too.
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09-15-2006, 11:04 AM
Ideas around the commander posistion
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f83-pr-suggestions-archives/9728-ideas-around-commander-posistion.html#post173210
[BiM]Black7
RainnMan is a nice commander.. ppl need to learn from him
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Michael_Denmark
2016-10-03, 16:27
All of them did as far as I know, yes.

Web, I found you on the tournament site too, so question is, if the XO function is equivalent to the old CO function?

WebCole - Retired MRF XO

Web_cole
2016-10-03, 16:36
Web, I found you on the tournament site too, so question is, if the XO function is equivalent to the old CO function?

WebCole - Retired MRF XO

No, not really. The XO is to the SCO and/or CO, what the NCO is to the Squad Leader. And like how every tournament squad has a different dynamic in how they operate, I'm sure the same can said for the "top three" in any team.

P*Funk - Retired NATO CO (Was this also campaign 7 and did he also go SCO at some point?)

P*Funk completed C9 as the SCO of NATO. He probably also had CO responsibilities for NATO Charlie during C9, and I believe he was promoted to SCO/CO at some point during C8, but I'm less clear on those last two points.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-03, 16:45
Campaign 9:

P*Funk completed C9 as the SCO of NATO. He probably also had CO responsibilities for NATO Charlie during C9, and I believe he was promoted to SCO/CO at some point during C8, but I'm less clear on those last two points.

Right, we need more info then, before we deploy him on the list.


No, not really. The XO is to the SCO and/or CO, what the NCO is to the Squad Leader. And like how every tournament squad has a different dynamic in how they operate, I'm sure the same can said for the "top three" in any team.

Oh, I think you already explained that to me in another thread, sorry. thanks again, getting older here, so if I ask you again in a week or so, please dont mention it :mrgreen:

Campaign 11:

We also have PDI, Commanding Officer (CO): Fnixer, he is posted from the SCO/CO announcement of the campaign, so I assume he partly completed the campaign, or did he leave before the campaign started

What about NiGHTWoLF? was he the one leading the BCST team?

Okay, found this from Alex L, the great dictator, for those of us who remember his reign. he was in fact quite successful as a CO, should I recall correctly. Won all his battles, did he not?

http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f87-project-reality-mod-archives/35810-new-tournament-lead.html

Arrow New Tournament Lead
Hello everyone,

The first battle cycle has been completed. Months and months of hard work has finally paid off. Unfortunately, not completely without problems but hey, what else is new in the tournament. I haven???t had a single campaign yet where everything was perfect. This time we had some server problems surrounding the Basra map. Though there is an elaborate way around the problem, we have decided to remove Al Basra from the battle map until the problem is resolved by the developers.

Under my guidance, the tournament has quadrupled in capacity, become much more professional and streamlined. The appearance of the tournament has been modernized and standardized, with our very own house style, custom icons, etc. New modes have been introduced, including the very recent continuous battle cycle with interactive battle map. After some experimenting in C5, we have even introduced the ???SoldierCP???, which includes a comprehensive rank system and much more features especially designed for the tournament. Features that will be expanded upon by the tournament staff. Conclusively, I???m proud to say that our tournament is up to par with most commercial alternatives.

However, for the tournament to grow further, new ???fresh blood??? is required. Although it was not publically announced, I have been on LOA for a few weeks now, pending my graduation from university. I am pleased to inform you all that I have successfully graduated. Subsequently, I have accepted a job in line with my studies. For this reason, and because I feel the tournament can no longer expand and evolve under my guidance, I have decided to retire my position as Tournament Lead.

Naturally, I will not leave you all to squander away. The tournament needs a Great Dictator! For a while now, I have been very impressed with the work of my commanders and completely in line with the tradition of selecting Tournament Leads from the commander pool, I have offered the position to one of the allied commanders. He has graciously accepted. As such, I am honored and thrilled to announce that the fourth Tournament Lead will be: Grayeknight. Congratulations!

During the next few weeks I will not disappear completely. I will remain on the staff as a consultant (like previous TL???s) and I will also be guiding Grayeknight in his new function so that the transition progresses as fluenty as possible.

Obviously, with Grayeknights moving up in the world, the position of Allied Supreme Commander has become vacant. In my last act on active duty, I have decided that CasualtyUR is promoted to General and will be in command of NATO. It will be up to him and grayeknight to find a suitable commander for NATO 1.

But wait, there???s still more to tell: due to his persistent health problems, my friend and esteemed colleague Pipodeluxe has too announced his retirement. I wish him all the best in his revalidation and thank him for his yearlong contribution to the admin team. For those who don???t know, he???s been our main guy responsible for the tournament house-style, including the forum Icons and the flash header. You shall be missed!

Alright. That???s it for the big announcements. It???s been great fun these last two years. First as chopper pilot for Echo (I was Echo-5, lol) and then on to HCO and eventually Commander and Tournament Lead. I???ve had successful times, and we???ve had troubled times. Overall, I???m glad to say that I???ve never had the urge to resign or quit based on the sometimes emotional attacks on the administration and that the good times have dominated. I thank everyone for that. Though, If I may add something, please give your new Lead a while to adjust, lol. It takes some time to develop elephant-skin and a group of angry tournament-players can be crude as hell! So be nice and behave.

Good luck everyone! Seeya!


So grayeknight was a partly SCO in campaign what?
And CasualtyUR, CO and or SCO too, help?

Was Pipodeluxe ever in command? He was btw, the one taking care of me back in 2006, as new team CO. Very good guy!

Question: Which teams did Alex L command?

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[R-DEV]Mineral, thanks, my apology deployed.

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Okay, so I finally found a video from campaign 1. Apparently both Gaz and Deg played here, so I am gonna contact Gaz now, already contacted Deg.

Check it out, this is old PR:

Av_L1jhxkio

***

Another thread with potential, is the one Requim, The Founder of Project Reality, created back in September 2005, where he asked the community if it found the idea of a tournament appealing?

So here is the Link to the very thread, that maybe became the formal public start, of this enterprise, the Project Reality Tournament, we or us, the following two to three thousand players, has participated in.
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr-bf2-general-discussion/2082-project-reality-tournament.html#post33023

As you can read 89 people reply in the poll, and out of those 49 would love to be a part of it!

Now, I went through those 49 players, to see if their last activity, somehow could show a pattern? Not sure if it does, but until now, here their last activity is deployed:


2005 (AWG)HorrorShow; Anomaly; Brentos; Bullet; Dukemen; GABBA; Kodiak; StormRavn; Toy; {GD}Dr_Mucus;
2006 Airborne; BoB; DAWG; dcheng7475; Dre; ECale3; JakSpd89; Kozuka; R.Johnson_USMC; Sandman_USMC; Serpentine; TaZ; TweedleDee; Xeres;
2007 muk; Tactical Advantage;
2008 Abel; Agent556; Ahkileez; Comanche; Lifetaker; Psycho_Sam; Super62;
2009 Hickman; LeatherFace; {GD}ODIE3;
2010 acadiancrusader; Beckwith; Evil Koala;
2011
2012
2013 Hailo;
2014 Artnez;
2015
2016 Corey Darling; Cpl.Small; requiem; Wolfmaster;


Four out of those 45 (poll says 49?) first-responding PR players, are still active in the forums. I will contact them all.

Mineral
2016-10-03, 17:50
Cool to see you excited about this. But we have edit buttons. Don't double post again please.

sweedensniiperr
2016-10-05, 13:11
I recall at the end of C10 Spook took on some more CO responsibilties due to cruz being a bit more busy. Can't tell you the details since I don't know them. You probably need to hear it from them.

Cossack
2016-10-05, 16:39
Norby - SCO of glorious EMF during C10. From first to last battle.

L4gi
2016-10-05, 16:55
Aquiller was the supreme commander of CATA in C7. He also commanded Cata3 in C7. I think Afvalbak did CATA2.

In C8 I was the Supreme Commander of CATA aswell as the commander of CATA3. Dont remember the CATA2 commander.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-05, 17:59
I recall at the end of C10 Spook took on some more CO responsibilties due to cruz being a bit more busy. Can't tell you the details since I don't know them. You probably need to hear it from them.

So you are saying that CO Cruzmissile did not complete C10 as appointed CO? Or are you referring to an internal agreement between these two individuals?

Norby - SCO of glorious EMF during C10. From first to last battle.

Copy Cossack, already posted him in Post 1, the bottom part. Thank you for validating the information.

Aquiller was the supreme commander of CATA in C7. He also commanded Cata3 in C7. I think Afvalbak did CATA2.

In C8 I was the Supreme Commander of CATA aswell as the commander of CATA3. Dont remember the CATA2 commander.

Aquiller
Right, Aquiller did both SCO and CO in C3, glad I convinced him too, to start releasing his PRT potential.

L4gi
And then you also covered both the SCO and CO in C8, but - after you took over from Aquiller right?...meaning that Aquiller was also SCO and CO for CATA 3 in the start of C8, or what, HELP?

In which campaign was CATA 3 formed as a team?
I am still confused about CATA 3; was it formed in C7 or C8?, because according to The History of the PRT - Campaign Ribbons-site, it was formed in C8, but you guys talk about it, as it were formed, already in C7?


C7 CATA 1 & CATA 2 Armies - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor (here in C7, no CATA 3?)

C8 CATA 2 & CATA 3 Armies - Central Asian Treaty Alliance - Opfor (here we see CATA 3 the first time)


Check out the history site here:
The History of the PRT - Campaign Ribbons - Project Reality Tournament Forums (http://tournament.realitymod.com/showthread.php?t=34197)

Thanks for the information guys, gonna cover L4gi and Aquiller now.

L4gi
2016-10-05, 18:05
I answered your PM.

Edit: I also have like 99% of battleplan material saved from these campaigns. :)

Also:http://od-sierra.org/images/catac8hc.png

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-05, 18:31
Thanks L4gi, replied.

Think we maybe are getting closer to why we see this growing pattern of people - only partly completing those campaigns, not completely sure of course, but think we have some indicators at least...of a structural problem.

Murkey
2016-10-05, 18:32
A few other titbits:

Wolfson wasn't CO if memory serves. He was an SL and NCO in the Cougars (CATA recon outfit) for C8 or 8.5.

Also what about Orthas? I have several memories of him badgering me to get things done when I was an SL. Maybe C8 and 9 for CATA

Cheers, Murkey.

L4gi
2016-10-05, 20:28
Orthas actually played in NATO before C8. I recruited him into CATA, and in the coming campaigns he ended up going from CO to Supreme Commander too. Dont remember the campaigns tho, probably C9 or so.

Web_cole
2016-10-06, 00:39
Orthas was probably SCO for C9, maybe CO too. Bonsai was a CO in some respect for C9 too. Someone else will have to confirm the exact details of that arrangement.

We also have PDI, Commanding Officer (CO): Fnixer, he is posted from the SCO/CO announcement of the campaign, so I assume he partly completed the campaign, or did he leave before the campaign started

I think Fnixer essentially resigned before the tournament had properly gotten under way, as in before a battle had taken place thus elevating Hotfranc to the position of CO from XO. Again I'm not clear on that, he could have played one battle but I doubt it was more than that.

In C9 AgentMongoose should have played as CO on the NATO side, did he complete the full campaign? Nothing on his tournament profile suggest he did play as CO or NATO or C9? His profile list CATA in C7 and C8? ...information needed please.

I know you're looking for corroboration on this one but I promise you he was the CO of NATO Alpha (which had a German Bundeswehr theme; my squad was called the 23rd Gebirgsjager Brigade :p) in C9 after switching from playing in CATA for C8. He brought with him Sekh as an XO, and at least two more Officers in SweetLain and Alfa.

I made this at the time:

http://i.imgur.com/0lpG5RS.jpg

Sekh765
2016-10-06, 02:31
I know you're looking for corroboration on this one but I promise you he was the CO of NATO Alpha (which had a German Bundeswehr theme; my squad was called the 23rd Gebirgsjager Brigade :p) in C9 after switching from playing in CATA for C8. He brought with him Sekh as an XO, and at least two more Officers in SweetLain and Alfa.

I made this at the time:

http://i.imgur.com/0lpG5RS.jpg

Can confirm as well, Mongoose was NATO Alpha CO for C9, I was his XO. Good times!

AgentMongoose
2016-10-06, 02:49
... Web has awoken me from my slumber after around 2062 days of inactivity. The bastard.
I was an SL in C7 2ic in C8, both on CATA. In C8.5 I was persuaded to switch to NATO to help remedy some 'skill' imbalances (I think NATO won a single match in C8, but I could be mistaken.) I don't even recall my rank from C8.5 but it was canned early by admins due to many issues, which never really got addressed before C9. I decided in to stick around in NATO for C9 in a leadership position for much the same reasons I was willing to hop sides in C8.5 (along with most of my command staff).
Anyway enough of that here is the original command structure for NATO ALPHA. Though I don't know how long this held before I (and Sekh for that matter) had to start shuffling squad leaders around. Though Would contend that Sekh ended up as Co-Commander rather than my 2ic by the end of the campaign.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/AgentMongoose/roster.jpg

sweedensniiperr
2016-10-06, 08:28
So you are saying that CO Cruzmissile did not complete C10 as appointed CO? Or are you referring to an internal agreement between these two individuals? I'm not saying anything because I do not know/remember.

Here's a thought for you though: If a CO is LOA for the last 2-3 battles (1.5 month) does that count as he completed it?

Cossack
2016-10-06, 11:04
I remember C9 as it was yesterday. Pfunk was SCO of whole NATO and CO of the Charly. I joined C9 after winter brake. Bravo was disbanded, because loads of people left. Charly was made from those who stayed from Bravo and loads of the new guys like me.

From there I got into OD-S because RedWater. The opposition we faced was CATA united single team. SCO was Orthas, and CO Bonsai. Basically Charly was bunch of new guys with few months at best vs battle hardened veterans of CATA. I remember Red saying, ae won't even hit the ground before we will get killed during Muttrah battle. :D My first battle and the only win of Charly...

Web_cole
2016-10-06, 12:39
... Web has awoken me from my slumber after around 2062 days of inactivity. The bastard.

Mwahaha :p

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/AgentMongoose/roster.jpg

Oh snap dude that's awesome. Yoink.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-06, 20:42
... Web has awoken me from my slumber after around 2062 days of inactivity. The bastard.

I was an SL in C7 2ic in C8, both on CATA.

In C8.5 I was persuaded to switch to NATO to help remedy some 'skill' imbalances (I think NATO won a single match in C8, but I could be mistaken.)

I don't even recall my rank from C8.5 but it was canned early by admins due to many issues, which never really got addressed before C9.

I decided in to stick around in NATO for C9 in a leadership position for much the same reasons I was willing to hop sides in C8.5 (along with most of my command staff).

Anyway enough of that here is the original command structure for NATO ALPHA. Though I don't know how long this held before I (and Sekh for that matter) had to start shuffling squad leaders around. Though Would contend that Sekh ended up as Co-Commander rather than my 2ic by the end of the campaign.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/AgentMongoose/roster.jpg

Thank You Web for bringing him back and thank you, AgentMongoose, for helping out to clear this fog of confusion.

Okay, okay, let me see if I understand it correctly:

You first become CO from C9, thus not in 8.5, 8 or 7?

Sekh ends up as the CO-Commander, -like the two of you shared the responsibilities of the CO position, that you formally was appointed to, from start to end of C9?
In that regard, would you like me to post both your names as partly completed commanders in campaign 9, for NATO Alpha?

Thanks again AgentMongoose, it maybe be important we get all this stuff right, so we might figure out - as a community - whether we are in need of another model for tournament commanders?

I'm not saying anything because I do not know/remember.

Here's a thought for you though: If a CO is LOA for the last 2-3 battles (1.5 month) does that count as he completed it?

Well, if that CO is still the official appointed CO, by the administration, then yes, it will count as he completed it.

It is a really good question, because the model we use, for completion or not, is rather inflexible. Already now, in this small attempt getting the numbers down, we see this continous pattern of people, constantly stepping up, taking over from others, like was it a real war, loaded with replacements taking over from each other.

Perhaps the tournament need a new official term; replacement CO / SCO / GSO / XO and so on...

I remember C9 as it was yesterday. Pfunk was SCO of whole NATO and CO of the Charly. I joined C9 after winter brake. Bravo was disbanded, because loads of people left. Charly was made from those who stayed from Bravo and loads of the new guys like me.

From there I got into OD-S because RedWater. The opposition we faced was CATA united single team. SCO was Orthas, and CO Bonsai. Basically Charly was bunch of new guys with few months at best vs battle hardened veterans of CATA. I remember Red saying, ae won't even hit the ground before we will get killed during Muttrah battle. :D My first battle and the only win of Charly...

We will post Pfunk as SCO for the whole of NATO in C9 then. Thanks for the other information too!

Alex L.
2016-10-06, 21:02
Hello everyone,

UK_Force was the first commander in C1, to my knowledge. During that time, Gaz was squad leader for Delta squad (the special forces). During C1, UK_force moved to the admin team. Then Gaz became commander during C1.

I myself was a dedicated pilot in C1 and later "HCO" ("high command officer") responsable for team strategy and later 2iC under Gaz. When Gaz moved to the admin team I became commander for C2 and C3. In C2 Deg.0 was my 2iC. After C3 I moved to the tournament admin team (T-ADMIN) and ultimately became the tournament lead (TL) and tournament management (R-DEV). Deg.0 became commander in C4. I retired all my remaining duties in 2010 (already stepped down from TL in 2008 - which was after C7 I believe.) I can recall C8 and C9, but I think most executive duties were already being handled by someone else at the time.

Since subsequent tournament leads have all re-written all official posts in the tournament instructional sections you can not find any real data from that time anymore. Most images were hotlinked in the passed and have now gone defunct as players have moved on and online storage has evolved. During my time, there were several dumps of important topics into archives, but I can't check anymore since I neither have high clearance on this board or the tournament board anymore.

The split between "Supreme Commander" and just "Commander" came from the fact that during my time as tournament lead, the tournament became so popular we decided to have four teams instead of two. That created the need for an extra layer of command to ensure smooth operating with the admin staff. I designed the rank images for the teams at that time. The allied "commander" had a blue colonel eagle, the "supreme commander" a brigadier general star. For the chinese oriented team there was a similar structure based on chinese military ranks. I still have those rank avatars on file.

Hope it helps.

Kind regards,
Alex L.
(former commander, admin, management lead - 2006-2010)

AgentMongoose
2016-10-06, 21:06
Sekh ends up as the CO-Commander, -like the two of you shared the responsibilities of the CO position, that you formally was appointed to, from start to end of C9?
In that regard, would you like me to post both your names as partly completed commanders in campaign 9, for NATO Alpha?


Technically according to the rank structure Pfunk used Sekh Was my 2ic, but in reality he and I split most of the commanding duties. He and I planned everything together. In battles he and I would alter roles on the fly, If I was engaged he would take over as Actual, or vice versa. Only with dealing with the admin staff did my rank really make a difference.

MaSSive
2016-10-07, 06:16
Orthas and bonsai C9 and maybe 8.5 CATA. Completed C9, I dont remember anyone dropping off then.

Now armies and all that.. hmm I dont recal that detail. Plus I got mixed up memory in my head with the PRTA tourney, cant help much more...was a while back. I do remember I got golden mortar badge. :-)

Went trough bootcamp with Onil, such a badass that dude. Plus Rex, man that guy spared no one, kickass player.

Fucks flyout to all and especially my ExYU Jackals, you know who you are.

L4gi was a CO? :-P Pfft haha. (I kid)

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-07, 08:36
Orthas and bonsai C9 and maybe 8.5 CATA. Completed C9, I dont remember anyone dropping off then.)

Thanks for the info Massive,

So in C9 on the unified CATA team;

Bonsai was SCO and completed it too?
Orthas was the CO and also completed it?


Technically according to the rank structure Pfunk used Sekh Was my 2ic, but in reality he and I split most of the commanding duties. He and I planned everything together. In battles he and I would alter roles on the fly, If I was engaged he would take over as Actual, or vice versa. Only with dealing with the admin staff did my rank really make a difference.

I am afraid your appointed rank also makes a difference in this matter. You were the appointed Commander.
However, when that is said, it is clear that the model used by the tournament, to define a CO or SCO, is at least, a bit inflexible.

Perhaps we need a description attached to the commander names, in cases as yours and Sekh?
As I see it, for now at least, there are two reasons for that;

1) If your style as Commander was to run the show as you did with Sekh, then it should be mentioned. Not doing it would be disrespectful to both the work Sekh provided and your style of commanding.

2) Project Reality and its tournament always need CO and SCO players, so clearly it will only benefit the game, to highlight those who can and will play the function.

For now, however, I will only post your name in the list of appointed Commanders, deployed in post 1. I have already posted Sekh as a CO-Commander on your team, in Post 8, the Draft Post.

Later on, depending on what people think, we will make a final list where descriptions can be made, as to the CO-Commander style you made us of on your team.

Does this sound fair to you, or the opposite?

On top of that, in the future, we should maybe make a list of HCOs, 2iCs, XOs, PLs, SLs and NCOs too, completed and partly completed. Perhaps even a list for everyone in the tournament, from admins to privates?

Cossack
2016-10-07, 10:47
Orthas was SCO, and Bonsai CO for C9 in CATA. At least this is from January 2010 to end of campaign.

L4gi
2016-10-07, 14:01
L4gi was a CO? :-P Pfft haha. (I kid)

Never lost a battle as a commander in the PRT. ;)

DonDOOM
2016-10-07, 16:20
-snip-

Long time no see Alex!

Have a listen to this glorious old recording, your opening speech for C6. Over 200 people in one TS2 channel... I remember the server lagging like crazy when everyone was talking at the same time.

The actual speech starts at around 4:14.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t0mczurubqtksuo/Alex%20L%20-%20Opening%20Speech%20C6.m4a?dl=0

MaSSive
2016-10-07, 17:00
Yeah what Cossack said. Sadly I kept all the screenshots and data on my Xfire account as we all kept there those and Xfire was used duirng C9 and was a must. I think it was a backup in case Mumble gets down, so another layer of comms plus material gathering. And a you know Xfire is out of bussiness so all that is lost.

I migght have some leftovers on my PC but thats is insignificant and no data about the team structures.

Some might find mortar tables useful. :-)

I had all the CATA badges somewhere too but I cant find them now. If anyone has those send it my way pls. I want my golden mortar badge :-P

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-07, 17:26
Hello everyone,

UK_Force was the first commander in C1, to my knowledge. During that time, Gaz was squad leader for Delta squad (the special forces). During C1, UK_force moved to the admin team. Then Gaz became commander during C1.

I myself was a dedicated pilot in C1 and later "HCO" ("high command officer") responsable for team strategy and later 2iC under Gaz. When Gaz moved to the admin team I became commander for C2 and C3. In C2 Deg.0 was my 2iC. After C3 I moved to the tournament admin team (T-ADMIN) and ultimately became the tournament lead (TL) and tournament management (R-DEV). Deg.0 became commander in C4. I retired all my remaining duties in 2010 (already stepped down from TL in 2008 - which was after C7 I believe.) I can recall C8 and C9, but I think most executive duties were already being handled by someone else at the time.

Since subsequent tournament leads have all re-written all official posts in the tournament instructional sections you can not find any real data from that time anymore. Most images were hotlinked in the passed and have now gone defunct as players have moved on and online storage has evolved. During my time, there were several dumps of important topics into archives, but I can't check anymore since I neither have high clearance on this board or the tournament board anymore.

The split between "Supreme Commander" and just "Commander" came from the fact that during my time as tournament lead, the tournament became so popular we decided to have four teams instead of two. That created the need for an extra layer of command to ensure smooth operating with the admin staff. I designed the rank images for the teams at that time. The allied "commander" had a blue colonel eagle, the "supreme commander" a brigadier general star. For the chinese oriented team there was a similar structure based on chinese military ranks. I still have those rank avatars on file.

Hope it helps.

Kind regards,
Alex L.
(former commander, admin, management lead - 2006-2010)

Hi Alex,

Thanks again for your answer, it really does help. So far, it seems that you are the only tactical CO, having completed 2 full campaigns. On top of that fact, a question; Has every campaign before C5, included 10 battles?

I presume Deg.0 completed his C4 campaign, since I recall him as a serious minded player, from my experience on the C5 PELA team.

In regard to the allied teams providing the administration with admins, I feel a respectful need, to add that we from the Opfor teams, also provided our share of admins.

From my two Opfor teams alone, (PELA 5 and CATA 2) I am fairly sure, the following players, became active in the administration:


Raic
alroar
Aquiller
Onil (former Tournament Lead)
GrayeKnight (former Tournament Lead)


Some, like Onil and GrayeKnight, are, if I recall correctly, still active.

In case you don't have them,

C10 PAC Team:
SCO: Spook
CO: Cruzmissile
C10 EMF Team:
SCO: Norby
CO: Snipd, briefly ElMariachi, then Agemman and CasualtyUR , Danger_6,
What occurred here was a dispute with Snipd where he elected to leave the team, ElMariachi was recruited to replace him but felt the PRT wasn't for him after roughly a week or two (including 1 battle), Casualty And Age stepped up soon after one another (can't remember which was first) but both were busy in real life and didnt truly have the time to fufuill the position despite their best efforts. These two would stick around and contribute the rest of the campaign but Danger was recruited as someone who did have the time to actually CO and did a wonderful job at it for the entire 2nd half, rallying EMF and giving them the win in the campaign through some really close great battles. Ask anyone from these teams about the last battle of C10 and you'll get a good story. Both of these teams likely had an XO but I can't remember who they were right now.

C11 MRF Team:
SCO: Cossack
CO: Aleon
XO: WebCole
C11: PDI Team:
SCO: Danger
CO: Fnixer (who would resign early into the campaign as a result of real life issues I believe), then hotfranc who served for the of the campaign, stepping up from the XO role.
XO:hotfranc, not sure if they felt the need to give this position to anyone else after franc's promotion.

The factions for C12 haven't been assigned yet, (that will be taken care of after grunt sign-ups) but these are the two high commands:
C12 Team A:
SCO: Yrkidding
CO: ytman
XO: Murkey
C12 Team B:
SCO: Philrow
CO: Senshi
XO: To be determined.

Okay,

C10 EMF Team:
SCO: Norby
CO: Snipd, briefly ElMariachi, then Agemman and CasualtyUR , Danger_6

Okay, Snipd resign, then ElMariachi was recruited and appointed by the administration? as CO for 1 battle, or was he already a player on the C10 PAC team, being recruited intenally, without the administration interfering in the change?

Agemman and good old CasualtyUR, who I fought my self as CO back in 2006, or so?, they step up and are also appointed by the administration, or is this maybe also done internally on the team?

Then at last Danger, and he pull it off for the rest of the campaign. Same question goes for him as with the rest; did the administration appoint him or was it done internally?

I am asking in order to understand the evolvement of the tournament, I mean with an SCO it should - in theory at least - be possible for the teams to adapt them selfs in the case wher new COs are needed?

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When that is said, this pattern of continously change in commandership, is excatly what we saw back in both C5 and C6, when i played in the tourney.


C11: PDI Team
SCO: Danger
CO: Fnixer

Fnixer resign, then hotfranc step up and get appointed as CO, and he complete the rest of the campaign.

XO:hotfranc, not sure if they felt the need to give this position to anyone else after franc's promotion.
This sentence I do not understand...hotfranc and franc's? who is francs, another CO, or did you mean Fnixer?

Copy on C12 start data, lets wait it out and see what happens.

Franc is just a short-form for hotfranc.

I was only an NCO at the time so I don't know exactly what occurred but I *think* it was a joint effort to find a replacement CO, Norby searching probably with some help with management at the time. I dont think appointed is the right word I think Norby was involved the whole way through and certainly nothing was done without his consent or active involvement in regards to the team. Next time I see him on TS I'll ask a question or two and see what I can dig up.

ElMariachi was recruited from outside of the PRT, (he was a motable member of the NEW community.) I can't remember if casualty was already part of the team or not, and Age (short for Agemman) was actually serving as a member of the admin team at the time, he stepped down from that role to join EMF as oyr replacement CO but again I don't believe this was any management "appointment". Norby was at least very familiar with Age if not friends already and Age wouldve been totally fine at the position had real life been a little less demanding.

Danger was someone that a bunch of us had been trying to get involved with the PRT for the whole campaign before we finally convinced him and he stepped into the CO role where he rather prospered, vbeing a big reason EMF narrowly won the campaign and going on to be an SCO for C11. So he had been following the campaign fairly closely but not participating until then.



EDIT: Err Mongoose is right, this belongs in the thread he linked really, my apologies.

Thanks Yrkidding, and thank you too Mongoose, your right, hence, all content now redeployed to the correct thread.

Philrow
2016-10-07, 23:01
Fun fact I noticed earlier, all SCOs (and 2 COs) from C11 and 12 played in EMF during C10

Yrkidding
2016-10-08, 08:29
On top of that, in the future, we should maybe make a list of HCOs, 2iCs, XOs, PLs, SLs and NCOs too, completed and partly completed. Perhaps even a list for everyone in the tournament, from admins to privates?

I was Personnel HCO for C11 MRF and still have my roster doc that has all our SLs, NCOs, and HCOs listed. In addition, google docs saves every set of edits I made so you can look through and see who was in every squad and in what role at every step of the way if you'd like access to that. I'm using the same style doc for C12 and my former MRF assistant is going to be the other team's Personnel HCO and he's copied it for his team, so all that info will be available for both teams at the end of C12. I know Philrow was also C11 PDI's Personnel HCO for I believe most of the campaign so you might be able to hit him up for a doc of some sort there.


Also, that's totally true about the SCO's and COs there Phil, EMF ftw.

camo
2016-10-08, 09:44
Hail EMF.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-08, 16:59
I was Personnel HCO for C11 MRF and still have my roster doc that has all our SLs, NCOs, and HCOs listed. In addition, google docs saves every set of edits I made so you can look through and see who was in every squad and in what role at every step of the way if you'd like access to that. I'm using the same style doc for C12 and my former MRF assistant is going to be the other team's Personnel HCO and he's copied it for his team, so all that info will be available for both teams at the end of C12. I know Philrow was also C11 PDI's Personnel HCO for I believe most of the campaign so you might be able to hit him up for a doc of some sort there.


Also, that's totally true about the SCO's and COs there Phil, EMF ftw.

That sounds very good indeed, those data might have some importance hidden?

But I respectfully think that it is we as a community, who should consider to do the big puzzle at some point, so I my self, will not - for now at least - take charge of it, because this small CO/SCO-puzzle alone, is difficult enough putting together.

The big puzzle, involves up to around 3000 tournament players, running over 10 years, so should probably be a dedicated group of players committing the time and energy needed? I am trying to puzzle together, not sure, between 50 and, hm? perhaps 70 players?

Also, on top of that, should we as a community, find the right people out there - being interested in the big puzzle data, well, those data might even be worth a bit of money too. Could perhaps bring in a useful donation to the Mod? The right people as in internet related researchers, specific journalists, authors or historians perhaps?

Tournament archives, has to have at least some of the data left. Videos on youtube, sometimes list all the players from a tournament team also...

But...it will take a lot of work no doubt, has to be a dedicated group of players from the community I think?

Thanks again!

Web_cole
2016-10-08, 19:29
On top of that, in the future, we should maybe make a list of HCOs, 2iCs, XOs, PLs, SLs and NCOs too, completed and partly completed. Perhaps even a list for everyone in the tournament, from admins to privates?

I think a fairly comprehensive list of Officers might be doable, at least in the modern PRT (C6/7 onwards?) but I doubt we could compile a complete roster of all the teams. I would be interested in helping out further with this sort of historical cataloging however, its a shame that so much has been lost in my opinion. Things like Battlerecorder files, screenshots, end game screenshots, scores should all be saved and publicly archived in some fashion. Its awesome that we have PRISM videos these days. Speaking of which Onil linked me to these the other day:

http://www.gloryhoundz.com/prmt/prmt_c4b3/

http://www.gloryhoundz.com/prmt/prmt_c4b4/

http://www.gloryhoundz.com/prmt/prmt_c4b5/

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-09, 18:56
I think a fairly comprehensive list of Officers might be doable, at least in the modern PRT (C6/7 onwards?)

If possible that would be awesome Web.

but I doubt we could compile a complete roster of all the teams.

sadly yes, then again, who knows, perhaps the people doing this will figure it out?

Things like Battlerecorder files, screenshots, end game screenshots, scores should all be saved and publicly archived in some fashion.

Totally agree. No doubt this type of data, also has the potential of a future market in it self. Perhaps even big money, for the company understanding the target group/s and receiver group/s needs correctly? Gonna be a lot of analysis to be done on this one, glad I am not on that team, far too much work, basically being a bad word too :-)

Its awesome that we have PRISM videos these days. Speaking of which Onil linked me to these the other day:

Just vital - sad we do not have them from back then, I am sure that the developer team at some point, could earn a dollar or two, providing access to those videos, for old players whom in 20 years from now, wanna go through their internet gaming history? Digital Moments, now theirs a company name lol


Speaking of which Onil linked me to these the other day:
http://www.gloryhoundz.com/prmt/prmt_c4b3/

http://www.gloryhoundz.com/prmt/prmt_c4b4/

http://www.gloryhoundz.com/prmt/prmt_c4b5/

Absolutely awesome! Think I have seen the Ejod video, long time ago? Great to watch those old battles and maps, not to mention, now I think of it, the player names, aha, several players from those videos are still active in these forums. Can hurt to ask them if they remember who was in command. Bonus video.

Ejod, a great map for training inter squad timings and battle rhythm, -at least related to battle plans

Jabal, still holds water, offensive in depth versus defense in depth, or the more slow frag fun when deploying wide from start; slope by slope, corner by corner. Best offensive I have even seen in PR was on this map by a German CO, using those helicopters to speed up the battle, totally!

Al Fallujah Region, speed or nothing lol - made my first battle plan in PR for that map, good old dusty map

Thanks for sharing Web!

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Anyhow, in regard to C7, lots of names but no real list of order, yet. Lets see:

Campaign 7
NATO 1 & NATO 2 Armies

Starting SCOs
C7 Eddiereyes (source Wicca)

Replacement SCOs


Ending SCOs


Starting COs


Ending COs


Campaign 7
CATA 1 & CATA 2 Armies

Starting SCOs
Bonsai (source Bonsai PM)
Aquiller (L4gi)

Replacement SCOs

Ending SCOs
Aquiller (L4gi)

Starting COs
Bonsai (source Bonsai PM)
HunterMed (not starting CO I think cause he writes GSO and CO in his profile, for C7)
Aquiller (L4gi)
Afvalbak (L4gi)

Replacement COs
Some you the names in starting COs, clearly has to be replacements...but who?

Ending COs
?
?

Afvalbak - Retired CATA 2 CO (who took over after HunterMed)
Aquiller CATA CO and SC (CATA 1 or 3?)
Grayeknight?
CasualtyUR was he NATO SCO in C7?
Jigsaw NATO CO in C7, C8?
Scot NATO CO in C7, C8??
Smeg NATO CO in C7, C8??
Funk NATO CO in C7, C8??
Tirak NATO CO in C7, C8??
Salah ad Din

Help please; where do these players belong above and in what order?

Wicca
2016-10-09, 19:42
C7 Eddiereyes Was supreme commander
HCO
mitchverr


I can remember Psykogundam? being a squadleader, Killer01000was a squadleader
Marmorkaka was NCO in 23rd Mountain Brigade and levesley the Squadleader.

Redfab was a squadleader at some point but I cant remember. what campaign.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-09, 20:44
Thanks Wicca,

Information deployed in Post 8.

C7 NATO Eddiereyes Was supreme commander

Marmorkaka, yes I remember him, good guy, calm, friendly, down to earth type.

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Note: I think I finally send the PM to the correct CasualTY...

Yrkidding
2016-10-10, 01:46
Funk is my Battleplanning HCO for C12, Psyko is NCOing a squad for me. I'll throw them a link to this thread next time I see them.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-10, 08:06
Thank you Yrkidding, please do. We better start the tradition of getting those names down, so people from C12, in 10 years from now, always can click for those great memories, still awaiting them in the present campaign.

Also Thank You Saobh, for providing so many names from the first campaigns. I had no idea bye_buddie had commanded teams too, remember him only as an admin from C5 and on. Was he not one of the admins, reading books on game theory? Think we had some discussions back then, on that topic?

Wonder where Project Reality fit - in game theory? Is the Project Reality Tournament another type of game, than the public one, when coming from a game theory point of view?

Simultaneous / Sequential games?

Game Theory defined by Wikipidia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory#Perfect_information_and_imperfect_info rmation

Chuva_RD
2016-10-10, 08:57
Wonder where Project Reality fit - in game theory? Is the Project Reality Tournament another type of game, than the public one, when coming from a game theory point of view?


Game theory is far-fetched, you give PRT too much credit.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-10, 09:13
Maybe I do Chuva, could be?

Why do you think of game theory as far-fetched?

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Note: PM send to Viper5 (thanks to Saobh for the information) hopefully Viper5 has some data too, I remember his name, so perhaps he played in C5 also?

Wicca
2016-10-10, 21:33
Oh. I was partly commander for Bravo team in NATO.

I think I remember motherdear was a Platoon Leader of the Rangers in NATO Alpha.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-11, 12:25
Aha, C7 had both CATA 1, CATA 2 and CATA 3.

Apparently, in C7, the CATA 1 commanders was banned. I presume that it would have been the CO and SCO, getting the ban?

C7 actually had both CATA1 and CATA3. It changed about half way through after the CATA1 commanders got banned.
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/141386-history-prt.html#post2127900

I will now deploy CATA 3, where it belongs from start, namely in Campaign 7.

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In addition to the above, we still have confusion deployed during campaign 8, where several people and in fact also the official tournament history, talk about a campaign 8.5, a mini-campaign of some sort, either being the rescue attempt from a halted campaign 8, or an extra addition to C8, because of what ever the reason, reasonable enough to prolong campaign 8?

Any information is as always welcome, so I will have to use that time less, trying to figure out what happened. Please understand, that although I may have followed certain battles in the tournament, the super structure it self, has not had my focus.

Now it finally have.

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Strange days, I do not have access to the tournament news, on its own site, like here:
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f110-official-pr-tournament-news/78144-c8-5-further-info-sign-up-process.html

Ok, so finally the suspense is over and we can tell you what to expect from the mini tournament.

The idea is to open sign ups for upto 45 players per team to play in a 8 week fast tournament.

Fixtures will be given by ourselves on Mondays and the games will be played every weekend for 8 weeks on a Sunday evening at 1800PRT. It's a quick fun tourny that focuses more on skill and tactics than overall planning and intel.

We are to keep it small for now, say 1 team per side, but if the call for more is given then we will see whats what.

Points to be noted;
Quick 8 week tournament.
A game every weekend so 8 games in total.
Tourny is decided on wins not tickets.
Format will be standard maps with standard assets/tickets.
Fixtures will be decided by us for all 8 games.
Winners will get a cookie.
Profit???

Sign up's will open on Sunday 21st March @ 2000PRT and we expect slots will be filled very quickly so get yourself registered today to avoid disappointment.

PRTC8.5 is here, are you?



Regards,

PRT Admin team



.

[DISCLAIMER] This is no way linked to C9, nor are the teams.


More...

Michael_Denmark, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: ...list of reasons follows

So, should anyone - not being a current tournament administrator - have information from the linked page, plus other data regarding the C8 Mini Campaign, then please share it in this thread.

Due to the workload, T-Admins do not have the time at the moment. We fully respect that, so we shall not disturb them with PMs, threads or posts, on this issue.

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Oh. I was partly commander for Bravo team in NATO.

I think I remember motherdear was a Platoon Leader of the Rangers in NATO Alpha.

Copy Wicca and thank you for the information. Were you partly CO for Bravo team in NATO, as appointed CO by the administration, or was this an internal deal with you and the appointed NATO Bravo team CO/SCO?

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In addition to that question, I just found a video, thanking you Coccalin and Vok, from Campaign 8.5, at 2:04

PRT - The view from the front - C8.5
L5uomtmF55o

Do you recall who was the CO during that short campaign?

Pronck
2016-10-12, 13:03
I am honored to read that I participated in campaign 8.5 . However this is not correct. I only participated in campaign C10 for a part.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-12, 13:25
Lol, omg, one of those, well, I am so sorry Pronck, hope you will accept my apology.

Now I know what went wrong. Sometimes in the heat of searching for players having 1) played in a specific campaign and 2) still being active, tunnel vision sets in.

Pronck
September 16th, 2014, 01:34 PM
Hello my name is Pronk...I am playing Project Reality since .85 (Karbala release)...

My eyes simply found a 85 and then my old brain concluded Bonus! someone I can ask. PM send.

So sorry again.

Cheers

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-14, 08:10
I'm not saying anything because I do not know/remember.

Here's a thought for you though: If a CO is LOA for the last 2-3 battles (1.5 month) does that count as he completed it?

Okay, I went through this one, once again, in order to find public validation, and I forgot I already found it, here:

PRT Campaign 10 - Final Sitrep #13 - WINNER ANNOUNCEMENT - Project Reality Tournament Forums (http://tournament.realitymod.com/showthread.php?t=33785)

When the administration mention no other than the CO in question, it means he was the appointed commander from start to end. Conclusively, unless the administration forgot to mention another appointed CO, then this commander completed the full campaign.

Should there had been an internal deal with an XO/2iC/HCO or similar, while the CO in question, may have been LOA, then this has to do with style of commanding.

If anyone disagree, then please post accordingly.

H1tman
2016-10-15, 00:38
Hmmmmm.. Let me go through some of my old stuff and try and dig up info for you. I played from C1 through part way through C7 when the team was banned. My self and Kravixon took over for Mavrick in the middle of C3 or C4 cant remember. I Commanded both C5 and C6 and into C7 until Cata 1 was banned. I need to talk to a couple guys and see about dates and if they have more info then me. As i find more info ill update this post.

PFunk
2016-10-16, 00:13
I'm answering your PM here Michael so that any errors I make can be corrected by someone who knows better.

My time as CO began with C8. I was originally going to only be an HCO but was made CO before C8 began. I directly commanded NATO Bravo in C8 and Charlie in C9. Eddiereyes started out C8 as the SCO of NATO but partway through if I recall correctly Colonelcool ended up being promoted briefly to this post when Eddie made his departure and then I'm pretty sure I ended up taking the role of SCO for the remainder of C8 as well. Jiggy left at some point from Alpha command.

For C9 I was SCO of NATO and CO for Charlie throughout. Eddiereyes created the SCO/CO structure for NATO in C8 specifically so he could remain in the tournament despite his busy schedule but his tenure during C8 didn't last long. I'm not sure, maybe this was the first SCO who wasn't a battle commander. By C9 he was an admin but didn't remain in that role past that campaign.

I also recall that Smeg a few times commanded battles in C7 instead of Eddie but this was a strategic decision, not because of absence if I recall correctly. That was a long time ago though so my memory could be tricking me. In terms of rosters and stuff I had all my files lost to a dead hard drive but I still have it somewhere so maybe the files can be recovered. I tended to do all the personnel crap so I had way too much familiarity with the names under me, even across two teams.

Maybe I can recover some nice files one day for this project. I must admit I didn't even remember we changed our name to NATO Charlie from Bravo until I started reading this thread. Then I realized how long its been. 6 years since those crazy days. I could be convinced of facts that aren't facts.

I also think Casualty was the SCO during C7 for NATO (THINK) or he was the senior commander to Eddie or something. He was definitely commander for C7 to NATO 1 and he was an SL during one of my campaigns and commanded for me on a round of Archer when I had to leave early. He did a splendid job btw for a guy who hadn't been in the hot seat for a while. I could probably start pulling a list of names out of a hat but can't be sure when they were involved.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-16, 09:47
Hmmmmm.. Let me go through some of my old stuff and try and dig up info for you. I played from C1 through part way through C7 when the team was banned. My self and Kravixon took over for Mavrick in the middle of C3 or C4 cant remember. I Commanded both C5 and C6 and into C7 until Cata 1 was banned. I need to talk to a couple guys and see about dates and if they have more info then me. As i find more info ill update this post.

Hi H1tman

Thank you for responding. So few CO players left from the start of the tournament.

I deploy all draft information in post 8. Anything not correct, please let me know.

Okay, I have a lot of questions still.

Campaign 7
The starting CATA 1 SCO was you?

Campaign 6
You was the CATA SCO for both CATA teams right? Because I found a PM about a meeting between you and me and an admin on that topic, it says you are to become the SCO for both CATA teams, that I according to the PM had some issues with?

Campaign 5
Do you recall who commanded the NATO teams?

Campaign 3
MAVRICK seem to have been the starting PELA CO, because both you and PM sources talk about him in that position. At some point around mid campaign he gets replaced with either you or Kravixon as CO and 2iC or did one of you replace the other too?

Campaign 2
Do you recall who commanded the ASOG team? it seems Wraith was the starting ASOG CO, replaced by MAVRICK?

Campaign 1
Who commanded the EJOD team? it seems MAVRICK replaced another CO player, who was perceived as a great tactical player by the community, just dont have his name yet?

In regard to the campaigns from 1 to 4, how many battles did they include?

Web_cole
2016-10-17, 00:02
Campaign 8.5: 6 to 8 battles? basically a very compressed two month campaign in the spring of 2010 (sounds stressful)
Why are there almost no data on campaign 8.5? Was it run without selected teams in advance?

So here is what I remember about C8.5

It should have started roughly in May of 2010. The reason I have inferred that is because there was some kind of forum glitch/screw up where a number of people (including myself) had their accounts deleted and had to recreate them for the start of C8.5. For instance: Murkey (http://tournament.realitymod.com/member.php?u=6827), Soban (http://tournament.realitymod.com/member.php?u=6824) and myself (http://tournament.realitymod.com/member.php?u=6829) all have forum account creation dates of May 10th 2010, but definitely participated in the tournament prior to that.

I believe it was scaled down in the case of the team numbers, essentially it should have been halfed as I think there was only one NATO team and one CATA team. P*Funk remained as the SCO of NATO, I believe Orthas took over as the SCO of CATA at this time. A number of clan players and CATA players from C8 switched for balancing, including AgentMongoose and L4gi (as I think we've established elsewhere in this thread).

The admin team at the time picked the maps to be played, which was the source of a great deal of e-drama.

I recall playing Yamalia, where CATA rushed and set up on our 2nd capable flag in choppers while NATO was still waiting to spawn in via the paraspawn, as it was then.

I also remember playing Beirut, which was the closest NATO came to winning a match in C8.5 when we grayed CATAs last flag but failed to capture it and thus lost.

We also played Siege at Ochamchira, and from Murkey's C8.5 montage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr0GahSx9Bg) Qwai, Muttrah and Quinling for a presumed total of 6 battles.

C8.5 was plagued by a considerable amount of e-drama (even by PRT standards) and as I recall cut short.

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-17, 07:44
I'm answering your PM here Michael so that any errors I make can be corrected by someone who knows better.

My time as CO began with C8. I was originally going to only be an HCO but was made CO before C8 began. I directly commanded NATO Bravo in C8 and Charlie in C9. Eddiereyes started out C8 as the SCO of NATO but partway through if I recall correctly Colonelcool ended up being promoted briefly to this post when Eddie made his departure and then I'm pretty sure I ended up taking the role of SCO for the remainder of C8 as well. Jiggy left at some point from Alpha command.

For C9 I was SCO of NATO and CO for Charlie throughout. Eddiereyes created the SCO/CO structure for NATO in C8 specifically so he could remain in the tournament despite his busy schedule but his tenure during C8 didn't last long. I'm not sure, maybe this was the first SCO who wasn't a battle commander. By C9 he was an admin but didn't remain in that role past that campaign.

I also recall that Smeg a few times commanded battles in C7 instead of Eddie but this was a strategic decision, not because of absence if I recall correctly. That was a long time ago though so my memory could be tricking me. In terms of rosters and stuff I had all my files lost to a dead hard drive but I still have it somewhere so maybe the files can be recovered. I tended to do all the personnel crap so I had way too much familiarity with the names under me, even across two teams.

Maybe I can recover some nice files one day for this project. I must admit I didn't even remember we changed our name to NATO Charlie from Bravo until I started reading this thread. Then I realized how long its been. 6 years since those crazy days. I could be convinced of facts that aren't facts.

I also think Casualty was the SCO during C7 for NATO (THINK) or he was the senior commander to Eddie or something. He was definitely commander for C7 to NATO 1 and he was an SL during one of my campaigns and commanded for me on a round of Archer when I had to leave early. He did a splendid job btw for a guy who hadn't been in the hot seat for a while. I could probably start pulling a list of names out of a hat but can't be sure when they were involved.

Why was that by the way, the change from NATO Bravo to NATO Charlie, if you recall?

Anyhow, thank you PFunk, this is great stuff for both C8 and C9, clear up some of the confusion, and maybe others will get a memory boost out of reading your account? Thanks for posting here too, instead of sending a PM, those PMs are starting to be difficult to remember.

In regard to Casualty, yes, he became NATO SCO in C7, after Alex L. promoted Grayknight to Tournament Lead. Questions are:

1. did Casualty stay as NATO SCO for the remainder of campaign 7?
2. was Grayknight not the tactical NATO CO in C7, before he went NATO SCO?


So here is what I remember about C8.5

It should have started roughly in May of 2010. The reason I have inferred that is because there was some kind of forum glitch/screw up where a number of people (including myself) had their accounts deleted and had to recreate them for the start of C8.5. For instance: Murkey (http://tournament.realitymod.com/member.php?u=6827), Soban (http://tournament.realitymod.com/member.php?u=6824) and myself (http://tournament.realitymod.com/member.php?u=6829) all have forum account creation dates of May 10th 2010, but definitely participated in the tournament prior to that.

I believe it was scaled down in the case of the team numbers, essentially it should have been halfed as I think there was only one NATO team and one CATA team. P*Funk remained as the SCO of NATO, I believe Orthas took over as the SCO of CATA at this time. A number of clan players and CATA players from C8 switched for balancing, including AgentMongoose and L4gi (as I think we've established elsewhere in this thread).

The admin team at the time picked the maps to be played, which was the source of a great deal of e-drama.

I recall playing Yamalia, where CATA rushed and set up on our 2nd capable flag in choppers while NATO was still waiting to spawn in via the paraspawn, as it was then.

I also remember playing Beirut, which was the closest NATO came to winning a match in C8.5 when we grayed CATAs last flag but failed to capture it and thus lost.

We also played Siege at Ochamchira, and from Murkey's C8.5 montage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr0GahSx9Bg) Qwai, Muttrah and Quinling for a presumed total of 6 battles.

C8.5 was plagued by a considerable amount of e-drama (even by PRT standards) and as I recall cut short.

Yep, something clearly happened with the T forum at some point. Also the emotional drama, I got that message from another old source, back in 2008 too, about really bad chemistry between NATO and CATA, NATO and the admins and CATA and the admins, so yeah, probably why so few wanna talk about that campaign, or might even have decided to forget all about it?

Anyhow, listing names:


P*Funk remained as the SCO of NATO in C8.5
Orthas SCO for CATA in C8.5
AgentMongoose and L4gi switching teams in C8.5


Yes, it more and more seems as C6, C7 and C8 + C8.5 have been pretty loaded with emotional drama. Because those are the campaigns where we see this long list of names, indicating a chaotic situation, loaded with replacements and frustrations.

Question: Why would the tournament administration not provide a ribbon for Campaign 8.5?, or at least mention it on the history page?

Grayknight was in charge of the tournament at the point of 8.5?

Woolfson
2016-10-18, 14:11
I'm really pleased to see some old fellow soldiers once again. Thanks Michael for awakening us from carbon chamber! :)

Last night I look through the old data I have saved from that time and regarding PRT 8 ~ PRT 8.5. To my knowledge C8.5 was the only one tournament which didn't finished?!? Right?, I can't remember now the exact reason, although I can confirm that there was some/huge drama regarding long years of clans playing in same teams which result in uneven sides of players. CATA 1 was banned durin C7 (and the name of team also), because of fight with T-ADM in that time. On the other hand, creating mini tournament (C8.5) it could be something related with release of PR v0.9 in that time also? That is why, Michael, you can?t find separate data for those two campaign.

I also used Wayback Machine (web.archive.org) for digging data and these are the facts:
PRTC 8.5 (https://web.archive.org/web/20100328164925/http://tournament.realitymod.com/index.php) last 8 weeks, 8 battles, with 2 teams only. Just quick tourney, every Saturday we had a battle, less trainings just fun, maybe that was the reason that we didn't got distinct tournament ribbons.

Back at C8

Aug 08, 2009 - NATO started with Eddiereyes909 as their SCO and CATA had that honor to have Aquiller in SCO boots once again.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/PRT8_Start.png

Afvalbak - CATA2 CO, CATA SCO later on
Orthas - started as CATA 2 GSO, than CATA 2 CO (later in miniC 8.5 he was CATA2 SCO)
L4gi - (from NATO in C7, then CATA 3 CO) - from Dec 02, 2009 CATA SCO

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/L4gi_CATA_SCO02122009.png
These are for sure since in that time I was making signatures for guys above, and I have saved in chronology time? I?ll double check tonight and post the exact dates of them?

Regarding NATO. With waybackmachines I got this pictures from members present:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/list22082009.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/list27082009.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/list28082009.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/list09092009.png

That means:
casualtyUR - NATO Alpha/Bravo HCO
Scot (aka Col.Scot) - NATO2 HCO (on Aug 27, 2009, was in role of NATO CO ?!? 2nd link
P*Funk - NATO Bravo CO C8, later in campaign NATO SCO
Jigsaw - NATO Alpha CO C8
cfschris - NATO Alpha/Bravo CO C8
Swordfish - NATO2 HCO C8?

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-18, 16:50
I'm really pleased to see some old fellow soldiers once again. Thanks Michael for awakening us from carbon chamber! :)

Last night I look through the old data I have saved from that time and regarding PRT 8 ~ PRT 8.5. To my knowledge C8.5 was the only one tournament which didn't finished?!? Right?, I can't remember now the exact reason, although I can confirm that there was some/huge drama regarding long years of clans playing in same teams which result in uneven sides of players. CATA 1 was banned durin C7 (and the name of team also), because of fight with T-ADM in that time. On the other hand, creating mini tournament (C8.5) it could be something related with release of PR v0.9 in that time also? That is why, Michael, you can?t find separate data for those two campaign.

It could very well be it did not finish, since there is no battle result posted from battle 7? Web_coles statement may proof correct when he says it was 6 battles, meaning something happened here too perhaps? Or maybe one team won too many battles? Could be so also, the other side loosing the fun factor?

I also used Wayback Machine (web.archive.org) for digging data and these are the factsPRTC 8.5 (https://web.archive.org/web/20100328164925/http://tournament.realitymod.com/index.php) last 8 weeks, 8 battles, with 2 teams only. Just quick tourney, every Saturday we had a battle, less trainings just fun, maybe that was the reason that we didn't got distinct tournament ribbons.

Both Orthas and Pfunk are highlighted in the usual CATA/NATO colors, in the player list, on the right side of the screen. This support the information of them playing as SCO players in C8.5. So the structure with SCO and CO was used here too, or was it also those two who filled out the function as CO players as well?

Back at C8

Aug 08, 2009 - NATO started with Eddiereyes909 as their SCO and CATA had that honor to have Aquiller in SCO boots once again.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/PRT8_Start.png

Both Eddie and Aquiller as starting SCOs, right, got that covered now.

Afvalbak - CATA2 CO, CATA SCO later on
Orthas - started as CATA 2 GSO, than CATA 2 CO (later in miniC 8.5 he was CATA2 SCO)
L4gi - (from NATO in C7, then CATA 3 CO) - from Dec 02, 2009 CATA SCO

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/L4gi_CATA_SCO02122009.png
These are for sure since in that time I was making signatures for guys above, and I have saved in chronology time? I?ll double check tonight and post the exact dates of them?

Yep we need the dates too.
Okay, so this is new to me, or perhaps all these names make me a bit confused, but Afvalbak did not complete C8 then, as CATA2 CO.

Regarding NATO. With waybackmachines I got this pictures from members present:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/list22082009.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/list27082009.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/list28082009.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/vbegovic/list09092009.png

That means:
casualtyUR - NATO Alpha/Bravo HCO
Scot (aka Col.Scot) - NATO2 HCO (on Aug 27, 2009, was in role of NATO CO ?!? 2nd link
P*Funk - NATO Bravo CO C8, later in campaign NATO SCO
Jigsaw - NATO Alpha CO C8
cfschris - NATO Alpha/Bravo CO C8
Swordfish - NATO2 HCO C8?

Right, and a new name also, cfschris - NATO CO in C8, good stuff, have not heard about him before. Change certainly deployed it self in the tourney dynamic - back in the days.

Thank you again Woolfson, I appreciate it a lot.

The web tool you referred to, just used it and instantly found people from campaign 2; ASOG TEAM Maverick, H1tman and Kravixon. Back then the CO was apparently named the CMDR, check it out, we just got the ASOG CMDR digged out, good stuff too.

So the following snapshots are from 2006
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omg and another goodie:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060321132912/http://tournament.realitymod.com/

The tournament did not highlight officers, forum wise, during campaign 1, but we can read that UK Force was CMDR for the ARRC Team, and that we probably also found the god player having commanded the EJOD team, namely a CMDR. DEADMON5811.

Bingo, we got some of them now - lol! no, not good enough - super lol! finally a break through with the old campaigns...thanks again Woolfson.

And the data keep rolling in; NAFR CMDR campaign 3, is Hitperson while the first PELA CMDR is Solitas, aha!
http://web.archive.org/web/20061104233919/http://tournament.realitymod.com/

Then we get Deg.0 as the RFAD CO, in campaign 4, and from now on commanders are no longer named CMDR in the forums.
http://web.archive.org/web/20061210183744/http://tournament.realitymod.com/

Still campaign 4, aha!, Hitperson is ARRC commander. Here we both see Deg and Hitperson in the same snapshot
http://web.archive.org/web/20061209054527/http://tournament.realitymod.com/

HOLY HANDGRENADE - here we have a snapshoot of ME lol, in campaign 4, I did not know they actually enrolled me onto the team, see I left the team again, pretty fast, after a sense that the tournament was not serious enough for me lol, my god I was arrogant back then, lol, and here I am 10 years after still stuck to it lol
http://web.archive.org/web/20061220053901/http://tournament.realitymod.com/

That was what I found from the first skim through of those 2006 snapshots.

February 18th 2007
We see that Hitperson is still in command of the ARRC and campaign is announced, so campaign 4 probably over?
http://web.archive.org/web/20070218131959/http://tournament.realitymod.com/

April 3rd 2007
Yours truly as the PELA CO

And then we get the BINGO shot
April 29th 2007
The first four teams ever in the tournament, represented with all the starting commanders, meaning we finally have Casualty nailed as the USEF CO and Nightwolf as the starting BCST CO! Bingo Time!
http://web.archive.org/web/20070429232035/http://tournament.realitymod.com/

Woolfson, you have just been promoted to Uber Carbon Chamber Commander! this was very needed data and we also get an impression on how much the tournament as a structure has scaled up. This, I think, could be a reason why we get all the problems later on, a structure not having enough players available, for more than one campaign. But - I fully supported the idea and still do today, because the interest in the tournament was big in those days. Would have been stupid not to enlarge.

Woolfson
2016-10-18, 18:34
...Woolfson, you have just been promoted to Uber Carbon Chamber Commander! this was very needed data and we also get an impression on how much the tournament as a structure has scaled up....
LOL!
I appreciate that commander, I'm really glad that I can still help out community ;-)

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-19, 11:36
I myself was a dedicated pilot in C1...When Gaz moved to the admin team I became commander for C2 and C3.

Okay, so trying to understand this puzzle.

C2 is NODFOR Team - NATO Defence Force - Blufor (Alex L. Commander)
C3 is NARFOR Team - North Atlantic Response Force - Blufor (Alex L. Commander)

But, with the new information from yesterday, we can see on this snapshot, that Hitperson was also commander for NARFOR, in C3?

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Meaning, Hitperson replaced you as NARFOR CO, while you moved into the admin position, as also seen on the picture.

Do you or anyone else, recall what took place?

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Question to the length of the first four campaigns?

From the image source provided by Woolfson yesterday, we now have a pretty good felling of when the tournament started, namely in the spring of 2006.

Since campaign 5 started in the spring of 2007, it means 4 campaigns was fought during that year. Could those campaigns then have included 10 battles each, or are we talking about 5 instead?
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LOL!
I appreciate that commander, I'm really glad that I can still help out community ;-)

Woolfson your post broke a wall this little project faced. Big help! Once again Thank You.

PFunk
2016-10-26, 10:22
Why was that by the way, the change from NATO Bravo to NATO Charlie, if you recall?
We just had a mostly crap campaign and lots of people left so it was just an idea to start the next year with a new name. Alpha stayed Alpha because of how almost nobody was left over of that team.

1. did Casualty stay as NATO SCO for the remainder of campaign 7?
I'm fairly certain yes and that he retired from full time commanding after C7 ended.

2. was Grayknight not the tactical NATO CO in C7, before he went NATO SCO?
My first involvement in PRT was in the second half of C7 after the CATA1 scandal. I hae no knowledge of him being on any NATO team from the second half of the campaign which was temporarily paused by the scandal.

Speaking of which I may remember that there was some ex Lead admin who did a kind of post mortem report on the whole incident or something, posted it like one of those governmental investigation thingies. Not sure if that's forsaken in the archives or not.

Also the emotional drama, I got that message from another old source, back in 2008 too, about really bad chemistry between NATO and CATA, NATO and the admins and CATA and the admins, so yeah, probably why so few wanna talk about that campaign, or might even have decided to forget all about it?
Definitely lots of drama. There was a lot of tension over how the admin adjudicated fouls during the battles and the culture at the time was to seek any and all opportunities to report the enemy for infractions because you figured they'd do it to you and if you didn't get a few licks in then the admin would punish you more than the other guys just because of how it seemed to work out. I have more than a few anecdotes I wouldn't likely share in a public thread about those tumultuous times.


Scot (aka Col.Scot) - NATO2 HCO (on Aug 27, 2009, was in role of NATO CO ?!? 2nd link
That's right I'd completely forgotten about Scot. Sorry scot.

He was kind of like Eddie's right hand towards the end. I can't remember if he was the one who took the SCO slot after Eddie or not, but he didn't last long after Eddie either. Basically C8 was where the first half of the campaign saw all the key leaders from C7 NATO just leave one after another barring a few. It meant a lot of people ended up doing staff jobs and high level leading jobs that they never wanted to but sacrificed their sanity for the sake of the team. In its own way that was a source of pride for the otherwise serial loser NATO team of that era. The camaraderie of sacrifice in the face of humiliating defeats. :D

cfschris - NATO Alpha/Bravo CO C8
He never commanded a battle. I took over his position before the campaign began.

Swordfish - NATO2 HCO C8?
My good friend. At one point I was in Arizona with him firing guns on a range during a battlecycle.

Woolfson
2016-10-28, 13:23
Speaking of which I may remember that there was some ex Lead admin who did a kind of post mortem report on the whole incident or something, posted it like one of those governmental investigation thingies. Not sure if that's forsaken in the archives or not.

:) It was distinguished gentleman which goes by the name of Alex L.
https://web.archive.org/web/20081229135626/http://tournament.realitymod.com/showthread.php?t=20522
https://web.archive.org/web/20081229135616/http://tournament.realitymod.com/showthread.php?t=20473

p.s. Hello PFunk, sir!

PFunk
2016-10-29, 02:59
p.s. Hello PFunk, sir!

Hello hello. ;-)

Michael_Denmark
2016-10-30, 21:44
A few questions in regard to the classification of the commander players involved on the list.

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I have been thinking about the two commander conditions, deployed in post 1, classifying the tournament CMDR/CO/SCO, into an either completed or partly completed commander. Is that classification sufficient?

What about at least two more additional lists, of which the first will focus on resigned and and not resigned commanders? Again with the superstructure of the tournament in mind. The second additional list then focusing on taking over from someone else and only that. Because that is difficult too and thus important in regard to how the superstructure of the tournament has been designed, to overcome such a situation.

Then their is also the question of fairness, related to respecting the people involved, regardless of being starting, replacing or completing commanders.

Is it fair for all the ones not having completed a campaign, only to be mentioned as such? Is it clever, in the long run, in terms of the tournament structure?

Well, questions, please share your thoughts. Need help on this one too.

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Thank you again Pfunk, Woolfson and everyone else providing the project with information. Anything else you remember or can dig out, please do not hesitate to post it, because the list, although getting nearer the end than the start, still need plenty of validation. Could be a month or two more before reaching mission completed.

Michael_Denmark
2017-02-26, 11:26
List is updated with the SCOs and COS from campaign 12.

Michael_Denmark
2017-10-12, 13:04
List is updated with the commanders in progress, campaign 13.

Michael_Denmark
2017-12-15, 16:29
...In addition to that, last campaign (C11) I played the role of XO for MRF where I took up a number of responsibilities in support of both the SCO and CO including team admin, and in-game support for the CO and his decision making processes. Should XOs therefore have consideration within the framework of your question?

Looking at the list again, and then Jesus Christ, - it seems I never answered that part of your question Web. Getting old here, getting old. Hope you will accept my apology.

So:

Should XOs therefore have consideration within the framework of your question?

I hope we somehow, can extend this type of list, to every single participant in the tournament, XOs included.

But since the SCO and CO functions, are the two core functions, from where the team is created and styled, those are the ones I decided to focus on, from start.

In fact, as also mentioned elsewhere, the tournament administrators, should also be included, since they are the core functions of the entire tournament.

So if anyone has the time and energy, then we have plenty of lists to make in the future. Tournament Administrators, XOs/2iCs, HCOs, Squad Leaders, NCOs and squad members.