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2Slick4U
2012-09-29, 02:04
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Hello and welcome to an exciting update from the Project Reality team. Today we are very proud to announce that the release of our third official DLC, PR:BF2 Falklands (PR:F), is finally upon us! You heard right, the infamous 1982 Falklands War has been recreated within the PR:BF2 v0.97 modification. Our entire team has labored endlessly and dedicated themselves to ensure that this addon remains historically accurate while preserving the team-oriented gameplay and high quality that has come to be expected from PR team.

Even though this release will include several place holders, the gameplay and quality is very solid and we feel that it is time to show our progress and have you help serve as a platform for testing the new content and features in a public environment. So, it is with great pleasure that the PR team will be publicly releasing Project Reality: BF2 Falklands v0.1 on:

http://media.realitymod.com/prf01sig.gif (https://www.realitymod.com)
Friday, October 5th, 2012 at 19:00:00
PRT (Project Reality Time) / UTC (Coordinated Universal Time)


About the Falklands War
Three hundred miles off the Argentina coast in the South Atlantic lay the British-owned Falkland Islands, consisting of two main isles (East and West Falkland) and about two hundred smaller islands. With a total population of only a couple thousand stalwart individuals, the Falklands seems an odd place to fight a war over, but that's exactly what happened on Friday 2nd April 1982 when the Argentine war machine invaded and captured the islands.

In response, the British dispatched a naval task force 8,000 miles to engage the Argentine Forces and retake the islands. Seventy-two days later the conflict was over. The British forces, which had been outnumbered from the start, triumphed over the Argentine forces, capturing 11,000 prisoners but suffered casualties numbering in the hundreds.


Project Reality: BF2 Falklands Addon Trailer
The following trailer highlights some of the new content and gameplay changes you will find in the PR:BF2 Falklands v0.1 addon. So, sit back, turn up your speakers and enjoy the ride!

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New Content and Features
The PR:F addon contains a number of new features and is packed with two new factions completely outfitted with brand new weapons and vehicles. Even more content will be added in future versions, but for now, the following is what you will find in PR:BF2 Falklands v0.1:


2 New Factions - 1982 British Armed Forces and 1982 Argentine Armed Forces
1 New Large Scale Map - The Falklands (8km x 8km)
12 New Vehicles - Including the Sea Harrier FRS.1, Mirage IIIEA and Wessex HU.5 Helicopter
17 New Weapons - Including the L1A1 SLR, M20 Super Bazooka and FN MAG GPMG
Sinkable Atlantic Conveyor Cargo Ship Objective
New Weapon Deviation Settings
Improved Jet Physics
Plus many more features!

http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/harrier_gr3_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/harrier_gr3.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/argentine_armed_forces_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/argentine_armed_forces.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/improved_jet_physics_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/improved_jet_physics.jpg)
http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/l7a2_gpmg_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/l7a2_gpmg.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/a1h_skyraider_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/a1h_skyraider.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/the_falklands_map_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/the_falklands_map.jpg)
http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/mim23_hawk_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/mim23_hawk.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/wessex_hu5_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/wessex_hu5.jpg) http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/thumbs/sea_harrier_frs1_thumb.jpg (http://media.realitymod.com/news/prf018/update/sea_harrier_frs1.jpg)

For a complete, comprehensive list of all the new features and changes in PR:BF2 Falklands, please view the following forum thread:

View the Full Project Reality: BF2 Falklands v0.1 Addon Feature List (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115200)


Download Information
The PR:BF2 Falklands addon will be distributed as a single installer and will be available via Torrent and direct download. The Project Reality: BF2 v0.97 mod will be required to play this addon. Similar to the recent release of Project Reality: Vietnam, this DLC release will be a completely optional addon. However, due to many servers running the PR:F addon, we strongly recommend that everyone download and install it to avoid problems with servers running a mixed map rotation.

If you currently host a Project Reality game server, you will receive the server files for Project Reality: BF2 Falklands via the Server Admin Control Panel a few hours before the release. If you are interested in hosting a new server, please Apply For a License (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/licenseapp.php).


In conclusion, we hope that everyone is looking forward to the release of PR:BF2 Falklands. We are confident that everyone can look past the in-game place holders and have an enjoyable time while hashing it out in this remote part of the South Atlantic. Please feel free to join us on our IRC channel (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52324) or visit our public forums (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=562) to discuss this or other news and don't forget to connect with Project Reality through the following social media to receive up to the minute updates, sneak peeks and more!

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- The Project Reality Team

Pablomercer
2012-09-29, 02:16
Seems really great, it will be a honor as a brazilian to destroy the argies.

waldov
2012-09-29, 02:28
That air battle in pic 3 looks epic!

cant wait for release.

Rhino
2012-09-29, 02:31
That air battle in pic 3 looks epic!

cant wait for release.

What happens when two large formations collide all of a sudden :D

And that isn't even the best pic of it, saving that one for the release ;)

James2464
2012-09-29, 02:33
Oh yeah and check out the trailer for more organized chaos amongst the skys :twisted:

Dr_Death
2012-09-29, 02:44
Seems really great, it will be a honor as a brazilian to destroy the argies.

a bit racist, dont you think?:mrgreen:

oh, and AFAIK actually the argentinean infantry got outnumbered by the british forces, the only thing arg. had more numbers at it was the navy ships.... and they were crappy.

MacDouche
2012-09-29, 03:00
This is so awesomeeeeee!!! Yessss!!!!!!

I'm not sure how I should play when in the Brit side....mmmm....perhaps I will sabotage my entire team hahahaha.

Looking forward to it!!

Rhino
2012-09-29, 03:04
oh, and AFAIK actually the argentinean infantry got outnumbered by the british forces, the only thing arg. had more numbers at it was the navy ships.... and they were crappy.

According to this source here: Falkland Islands - Falklands war - information & pictures (http://www.mysterra.org/webmag/falkland-islands/conflict-4.html)

British had 10k+ Men, Argentines had ~13k. In the Air the British where certainly outnumbered with only 34 Harriers and ~200 helicopters to the Argies 78 Skyhawks, 24 Dagger, 18 Mirage, 5 Super Etendard, 6 Canberra, 144 Puccara and 9 Hercule C130 :p


I'm not sure how I should play when in the Brit side....mmmm....perhaps I will sabotage my entire team hahahaha.

hehe, just play normally forgetting the side, its quite fun playing on the other side, different challenges :D

Zyco187
2012-09-29, 03:37
hell yeah cant wait. and WOAH! a sinkable tanker. PR devs are still proven to have a couple tricks up there sleave to keep us coming back

Jolly
2012-09-29, 04:48
Oh, my god, it's coming!!!! it's coming!!!!


Although it's not PR1.0
It's exciting anyway!!

crot
2012-09-29, 04:50
8km x 8km, dayum! I hope the 128-player servers get back up. Then we wouldn't have the clusterfuck we have on usual maps.

RazoR41
2012-09-29, 04:50
Holy shit! i am so excited, pity there is 0% chance there will be a map with bots...

=HCM= Shwedor
2012-09-29, 05:29
Does this mean a change in status for servers not currently allowed to run 64+ or will this be a fail where we have to spend 3 hours to find one guy on the enemy team with 90% of the teams' assets unmanned?

Jolly
2012-09-29, 05:53
All translated, and posted as NEWS in Chinese forum.

Soooooo such a large scale.

Acemantura
2012-09-29, 06:53
Lol, I guess I picked a good day to install PR and check the forums.

psychickactivity
2012-09-29, 07:36
gBNxGZP49ls

Rhino powAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

hobbnob
2012-09-29, 07:55
Rhino you awesome personage, I struggled to cope with such awesome footage with lindsey stirling music :D

(also, shes got an album out now its brilliant!)

Dr Rank
2012-09-29, 08:14
An epic video for an epic map, top quality work lads! This is going to be soooo much fun to play! 8)

DeepRedAssassin
2012-09-29, 08:25
This Looks So Awesome! Cant Wait!

40mmrain
2012-09-29, 08:35
so we're going to taste the MG kit before 1.0?

will the spotter be around?

Sunny
2012-09-29, 09:08
it's not pr 1.0?

Doc.Pock
2012-09-29, 09:56
rhino i love you most here :)

SShadowFox
2012-09-29, 10:30
a bit racist, don't you think?:mrgreen:

Maybe you should try to understand sarcasm a bit better, you probably know the rivalry between Brazil and Argentina.

Back on topic : Nice work and I can't wait :razz:

Nugiman
2012-09-29, 10:48
it's not pr 1.0?

No, the PR:Falklands is an optional addon which got developed independently from PR 1.0
It will come with PR 1.0 as well, but thank god, we don't have to wait that long because we get the first version of PR:F in one single week!

Predator.v2
2012-09-29, 10:52
Looking forward to this!

See you in the skies.

sweedensniiperr
2012-09-29, 11:21
i will be away that weekend.

so i guess falklands is official now, since it's using the realitymod channel?

BloodyDeed
2012-09-29, 11:29
It's an official DLC, like Vietnam, yes.

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-09-29, 12:06
I hope we see 128 servers pop out on next weekend... because 64 on 16km2 will feel empty :|

Predator.v2
2012-09-29, 12:40
8 km x 8 km makes 64 km^2. This gonna feel like freakin Arma 2 Chernarus. :D

And Heureux is right about 128. Definitly looking forward to this!

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-09-29, 12:59
Oh yeah you're right, it's 8x8 km :???:

That's 4 Kashan desert

Rhino
2012-09-29, 13:03
It is 16km x 16km if you include the area outside of the minimap border between HMS Invincible and Argentina but the area inside the minimap is 8km x 8km.

White box in the image below shows where the 8km x 8km border is.

http://realitymodfiles.com/rhino/promo/falklands/falklands_minimap2_tn.jpg (http://realitymodfiles.com/rhino/promo/falklands/falklands_minimap2.jpg)

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-09-29, 13:05
This goes for long chopper rides lol.

The minimap can display up to 8km x 8km? Why isn't it locked only to 4x4?

Rhino
2012-09-29, 13:13
I could get it to display 16km x 16km but that was only if you where willing to skip though a memory error every time you loaded the map, even in full screen mode (had to talk tab and press continue, although you didn't get any prompt of an error, just the map would stop loading...)

sharpie
2012-09-29, 13:32
NOOOOOOOOOOO

I won't be in town on it's release :_(

Gettysburg over that weekend. Sadpanda.

foxtwofive
2012-09-29, 13:36
This is fvcking great news!:-D Really excited about this release, it been a while since an update for PR. This will just do that. Thank you Dev's and everyone else that made PR:F a reality!:-D:mrgreen:

Pablomercer
2012-09-29, 13:47
a bit racist, dont you think?:mrgreen:

No exactly reacist, just a some country rivalry, but this antagonism stays only in-game. :grin:

alexandrei07
2012-09-29, 14:07
About the Falklands War
Three hundred miles off the Argentina coast in the South Atlantic lay the British-owned Falkland Islands, consisting of two main isles (East and West Falkland) and about two hundred smaller islands. With a total population of only a couple thousand stalwart individuals, the Falklands seems an odd place to fight a war over, but that's exactly what happened on Friday 2nd April 1982 when the Argentine war machine invaded and captured the islands.

In response, the British dispatched a naval task force 8,000 miles to engage the Argentine Forces and retake the islands. Seventy-two days later the conflict was over. The British forces, which had been outnumbered from the start, triumphed over the Argentine forces, capturing 11,000 prisoners but suffered casualties numbering in the hundreds.

This information are wrong and It's PROPAGANDA, please delete now!

You have until next Monday 10/01/12 at 12:00 pm or files a complaint with the Foreign Ministry of Argentina.

You hereby warned.

I warned Rhino by private, this time warning in the forum, I will give notice on Monday 12:01 our Chancery, no kidding.

K4on
2012-09-29, 14:20
Great News! Looking forward to play some cool rounds then!

alexandrei07
2012-09-29, 14:28
NO Kidding!!!!

Rhino
2012-09-29, 14:28
About the Falklands War
Three hundred miles off the Argentina coast in the South Atlantic lay the British-owned Falkland Islands, consisting of two main isles (East and West Falkland) and about two hundred smaller islands. With a total population of only a couple thousand stalwart individuals, the Falklands seems an odd place to fight a war over, but that's exactly what happened on Friday 2nd April 1982 when the Argentine war machine invaded and captured the islands.

In response, the British dispatched a naval task force 8,000 miles to engage the Argentine Forces and retake the islands. Seventy-two days later the conflict was over. The British forces, which had been outnumbered from the start, triumphed over the Argentine forces, capturing 11,000 prisoners but suffered casualties numbering in the hundreds.

This information are wrong and It's PROPAGANDA, please delete now!

You have until next Monday 10/01/12 at 12:00 pm or files a complaint with the Foreign Ministry of Argentina.

You hereby warned.

I warned Rhino by private, this time warning in the forum, I will give notice on Monday 12:01 our Chancery, no kidding.

How excatly is it wrong or propaganda may I ask?

Are the Falkland Islands not ~300 miles off the coast of Argentina?
Are the Falkland Islands not in the South Atlantic?
Where they not back before the 1982 war British owned?
Dose the Falkland Islands not consist of two main islands (East and West Falkland) and about two hundred smaller islands dotted in and around them?
Is the population figures we quoted not consistent of the population of the Falklands before the war?
Did Argentina not invade the Falkland Islands on Friday 2nd April 1982?
Did Britain not dispatched a naval task force 8,000 miles to engage the Argentine Forces and retake the islands?
Did the conflict not last for Seventy-two days?
Where the British Forces not outnumbered?
Did the British not win the war and retake the islands?
Did the British not capture over 11k prisoners?
Did the British not suffer casualties numbering in the hundreds?


As far as I'm aware, this is all historical fact but if there is an error in there then please let us know, otherwise can't see how historical fact can in any way be propaganda, nor are we intending it to be.

pedrooo14
2012-09-29, 15:06
This information are wrong and It's PROPAGANDA, please delete now!

You have until next Monday 10/01/12 at 12:00 pm or files a complaint with the Foreign Ministry of Argentina.

You hereby warned.

I warned Rhino by private, this time warning in the forum, I will give notice on Monday 12:01 our Chancery, no kidding.


Calm down man. They don?t put nothing wrong, the only thing i see is the "invaded" term, but thats just a insignificant detail. And if you act in such agressive way nobody is going to listen you. Also, you sound like a real id**t threatening to complain with foreign minister and those type of thing.

And if sometime they say something wrong there is no bad intention behind it.

Aparte, que vas a hacer? Decirle a Cristina que salga en cadena nacional criticando a los de project reality? De onda loco ;)

Mineral
2012-09-29, 15:10
I heard chill pills were at 50% discount. You should try one alexandrei07!

anyway, lovely update! I am looking forward to this so much :p

Daniel
2012-09-29, 15:23
Will choppers and jets will also have realistic speed then, since this map got now realistic huge? :D I mean, especially the choppers need to get realistic maximum speeds so you can manage specific distances in realistic time. ;)


Btw don't count on too many players, that's what comes with announcing an event just less than a week before... ;) bad luck. (meaning also me, and not only several others, won't be able to attend the even.t)

CG-Delta
2012-09-29, 15:26
Before you seal it:
In the current game some jets like the European and Chineese fighters do not support mouse and keyboard (I'll get back to that *1), while most jets does.
*1: What I mean about mouse and keyboard support is when you pitch (up/down) and lift your mouse, the jet keep pitching for approximately 1 sec, which allows you to take down your mouse without breaking the pitch cirkle. This was allready a part of BF2, but has not been added to all jets in PR.

I hope the "Improved Jet Physics" include that, but if not; I'd appreciate if it is added now when the update is still in development. It makes mouse/keyboard flying a lot easier (at least for me).;)

Rhino
2012-09-29, 15:32
Before you seal it:
In the current game some jets like the European and Chineese fighters do not support mouse and keyboard (I'll get back to that *1), while most jets does.
*1: What I mean about mouse and keyboard support is when you pitch (up/down) and lift your mouse, the jet keep pitching for approximately 1 sec, which allows you to take down your mouse without breaking the pitch cirkle. This was allready a part of BF2, but has not been added to all jets in PR.

I hope the "Improved Jet Physics" include that, but if not; I'd appreciate if it is added now when the update is still in development. It makes mouse/keyboard flying a lot easier (at least for me).;)

Don't really know if mice have better control with the updated physics, planes have only really been really designed for and tested with joysticks, although a few testers have flown with mouse and k/b so if they are better for mice and k/b, that will just be an added bouns.

But we do recommend if you really want to take flying seriously in PR, especially for fixed wing aircraft to invest in a joystick and once you've mastered it you will never want to go back :)

Carbonade
2012-09-29, 15:33
That trailer was pretty sick! So hyped up to play that right now :D

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-09-29, 15:34
This information are wrong and It's PROPAGANDA, please delete now!

You have until next Monday 10/01/12 at 12:00 pm or files a complaint with the Foreign Ministry of Argentina.

You hereby warned.

I warned Rhino by private, this time warning in the forum, I will give notice on Monday 12:01 our Chancery, no kidding.

k cool yo

Kevokpo
2012-09-29, 15:38
Seems really great, it will be a honor as a brazilian to destroy the argies.

the only thing I hate about this real historical maps is the guys that says bad things about other countries, I know it is just a game but I do still live in that country so please stop with these commentaries it makes me feel like my people or my country did something really bad when the only ones who do mistakes and do bad things are the politicians the soldiers only obey orders.

Alex please calm down you have to accept the brits won us, we "attacked" the islands that were from the brits for many years, in war you win or loose you can't always win.

If you guys have comments of another country save them for yourselves I don't really care what you think I think no one does

I'm not prohibiting you to express yourselves but show some respect.

BTW Rhino I really apreciate the work you do to recreate this war so I congratulate you for all your work and dedication to this project and all those who were involved in this.
Thank you very much!

Rhino
2012-09-29, 15:51
the only thing I hate about this real historical maps is the guys that says bad things about other countries, I know it is just a game but I do still live in that country so please stop with these commentaries it makes me feel like my people or my country did something really bad when the only ones who do mistakes and do bad things are the politicians the soldiers only obey orders

If you guys have comments of another country save them for yourselves I don't really care what you think I think no one does

I'm not prohibiting you to express yourselves but show some respect.

Indeed, lets just stick to the game guys and keep the politics out.


BTW Rhino I really apreciate the work you do to recreate this war so I congratulate you for all your work and dedication to this project and all those who were involved in this.
Thank you very much!

cheers :)

James2464
2012-09-29, 15:56
I like your attitude Kevokpo :D

Lone97wolf
2012-09-29, 16:12
CANT WAIT to fly the harrier!

colodorian
2012-09-29, 17:03
Well logistics are going to be a pain in the ass as people get used to the size. The video looked great and I can't wait to fight it out U.S marine... I mean Argentina vs. UK.

alexandrei07
2012-09-29, 17:11
Rhino;1819945']How excatly is it wrong or propaganda may I ask?

Are the Falkland Islands not ~300 miles off the coast of Argentina?
Are the Falkland Islands not in the South Atlantic?
Where they not back before the 1982 war British owned?
Dose the Falkland Islands not consist of two main islands (East and West Falkland) and about two hundred smaller islands dotted in and around them?
Is the population figures we quoted not consistent of the population of the Falklands before the war?
Did Argentina not invade the Falkland Islands on Friday 2nd April 1982?
Did Britain not dispatched a naval task force 8,000 miles to engage the Argentine Forces and retake the islands?
Did the conflict not last for Seventy-two days?
Where the British Forces not outnumbered?
Did the British not win the war and retake the islands?
Did the British not capture over 11k prisoners?
Did the British not suffer casualties numbering in the hundreds?


As far as I'm aware, this is all historical fact but if there is an error in there then please let us know, otherwise can't see how historical fact can in any way be propaganda, nor are we intending it to be.

Unbiased source sac that these details?
You hereby warned, has until Monday 10/01/2012 at 12:00 pm to clear this!

Edit: User was infracted for "Unhelpful / useless posting". This section is for mod discussion not political debate, any continued threats will also be infracted as they have no place here.

Rhino
2012-09-29, 17:25
Unbiased source sac that these details?

If you can find some strong sources that suggest anything massively different in there be my guest so share them.

Otherwise you are endanger of being banned from these forums as per Section 2, ix of the forum rules: Project Reality Forums - Forum Rules (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/rules/)
ix Attitude
Constructive critism is welcome, but should be thought through and subjective. If you don't like something, put forward mature points as to why. A persistantly bad attitude and/or negative comments towards the team, the mod or otherwise will lead to your permanent removal from the forums.

Dr_Death
2012-09-29, 17:26
Seems really great, it will be a honor as a brazilian to destroy the argies.

Maybe you should try to understand sarcasm a bit better, you probably know the rivalry between Brazil and Argentina.

Back on topic : Nice work and I can't wait :razz:

i am not used to this kind of sarcasm (implying someone can know when another person is using sarcasm in the internet), i dont find logical to hate another human for the place this other person was born, so i dont care about the rivalry even my country have, i dont care how much argentineans hate mexicans, chileneans, or brazilians, we are all humans.



oh, and alex, stop trolling/raging all over just because the source of the info its british, i dont think either the argentinean info about the falklands war is 100% true, so chill out.

ubermensche
2012-09-29, 17:34
Looks really awesome!

Hey for the Brits, why not use the old kit geometries (those before version 0.9 I think).

Rhino
2012-09-29, 17:37
Hey for the Brits, why not use the old kit geometries (those before version 0.9 I think).

Thous kit geoms have quite serious bugs that we don't want to bring back and are still far too modern. Best thing is to aim for brand new ones in the long term :)

Banok
2012-09-29, 17:47
Part of me's happy about this, because it looks like an epic, very well made map. the ship sinking is bad ass, and I look forward to trying the new deviation very soon. but part of me is a bit disappointed because I only really enjoy playing insurgency game mode, and I thought this would release as part of 1.0 which I thought would be out soon due to all the teasing. now I feel like 1.0 is further away ;(

edit; hopefully this map will convert me to ASS.

James2464
2012-09-29, 18:01
I only really enjoy playing insurgency game mode

Haha, I can see by your location insurgency is definitely your favourite! :D

Jafar Ironclad
2012-09-29, 18:06
I must suggest to everyone to bear in mind that this is the first map in Project Reality that is not just inspired by a past conflict, but is a direct re-enactment of it, to the best of our abilities as developers.

649 Argentine families and 258 British families lost a loved one in this war. Even more loved ones sustained injuries. To this day, the outcome of the war leaves a mark upon both cultures.

Have fun, of course, but be sensitive to the losses both countries endured in this conflict, as I was when approaching the loading music for the map. (check one of Rhino's prior blog posts for a link to it, but you'll hear it soon enough)

ShockUnitBlack
2012-09-29, 18:29
Awesome work Rhino... Does this mean PR is the only videogame set in the Falklands War ever?

Rhino
2012-09-29, 18:41
Awesome work Rhino... Does this mean PR is the only videogame set in the Falklands War ever?

I don't think so. I've seen pics of a small flight sim featuring the Falklands, and their is the odd Falklands mod out their, mainly RTS ones for like Civ4 but I don't think their is anything that's been fully released that portrays the ground war, let alone as well as the air :)

ubermensche
2012-09-29, 18:50
Rhino;1820020']Thous kit geoms have quite serious bugs that we don't want to bring back and are still far too modern. Best thing is to aim for brand new ones in the long term :)

Alright I see. Thanks.

There are 10000 reasons why I'm looking forward to next friday it's unbelievable.

Rudd
2012-09-29, 18:55
Jafar Ironclad;1820031']I must suggest to everyone to bear in mind that this is the first map in Project Reality that is not just inspired by a past conflict, but is a direct re-enactment of it, to the best of our abilities as developers.

649 Argentine families and 258 British families lost a loved one in this war. Even more loved ones sustained injuries. To this day, the outcome of the war leaves a mark upon both cultures.

Have fun, of course, but be sensitive to the losses both countries endured in this conflict, as I was when approaching the loading music for the map. (check one of Rhino's prior blog posts for a link to it, but you'll hear it soon enough)

this is an excellent post

I for one look forward to playing on this with members of all nations; if humanity can keep war limited to the virtual arena, we'll all be better off.

illidur
2012-09-29, 18:59
wow nice, can't wait to try this. i fear the island itself wont have enough rocks or grass though. looks kind of bare. this would be the perfect map to have day/night cycle though to offset that and keep it to the books.

rodrigoma
2012-09-29, 19:37
wow nice, can't wait to try this. i fear the island itself wont have enough rocks or grass though. looks kind of bare. this would be the perfect map to have day/night cycle though to offset that and keep it to the books.

Just dont get caught in the open ;)

jorge_prargentina
2012-09-29, 19:38
What really surprised me is the quality of the land. It really is a masterpiece. Can not wait to get that ground (virtually of course :P)

Wicca
2012-09-29, 19:57
Its on my birthday <3 yaaay

Maj.Osama
2012-09-29, 19:59
Wicca;1820064']Its on my birthday <3 yaaay


HBD :D:burger:

Boris
2012-09-29, 20:53
How big's the download going to be? Releasing @ 19:00 ain't so great if it's big as it could take hours to DL here.

Rhino
2012-09-29, 21:35
around 260mbs with any luck :D

sapper1893
2012-09-29, 21:47
Hi all,a and a very well done job on the Falklands job. I have probably missed the release whilst reading through the forum link. When is the release date? Had a look at the pics and have a question. There is a pic showing a British soldier manning a GPMG. I did notice he has DPM webbing. In 82 the British Army was still wearing the good old green 58 webbing. Any reason for this?
During my service with the Army I had been to the Falklands on a number of occasions and must admit I enjoyed every deployment over there.

Rhino
2012-09-29, 22:09
Hi all,a and a very well done job on the Falklands job. I have probably missed the release whilst reading through the forum link. When is the release date? Had a look at the pics and have a question. There is a pic showing a British soldier manning a GPMG. I did notice he has DPM webbing. In 82 the British Army was still wearing the good old green 58 webbing. Any reason for this?
During my service with the Army I had been to the Falklands on a number of occasions and must admit I enjoyed every deployment over there.

Hey Sapper,

The release day was under one of the banners on the main post and its Friday, October 5th, 2012 at 19:00:00 PRT (Project Reality Time) / UTC (Coordinated Universal Time).

Currently the soldiers are wearing modern uniforms and have modern comms etc on their kit. In time we hope to crate new kit geometries but for now the current solider models/skins do the job we feel, although not 100% accurate, in the same way a re-skinned Harrier GR9 is not quite a Sea Harrier or Harrier GR3 and in the long run we also hope to fix :)

Cheers.

Banok
2012-09-30, 01:43
James2464;1820029']Haha, I can see by your location insurgency is definitely your favourite! :D

I actually live near rhino I think (cornwall?), I'm going to kidnap him and force him to create falklands insurgency mode if so.

Tittles
2012-09-30, 04:24
Oh boy this will be fun for infantry when the only cover are rocks.

Dr_Death
2012-09-30, 04:56
I actually live near rhino I think (cornwall?), I'm going to kidnap him and force him to create falklands insurgency mode if so.

tell me if you need any help... i always wanted to go to england, any part of the UK continent, not just england, always wanted to visit irland, hope the cold dont kill me (on argentina we have the same temp. on winter than england on summer)

Dunehunter
2012-09-30, 08:42
Alexandrei07, cut it out. Final warning.

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-09-30, 09:06
Dunehunter;1820160']Alexandrei07, cut it out. Final warning.

No no no, you don't understand, HE'S GONNA SHUT IT DOWN :lol:

hobbnob
2012-09-30, 09:59
No no no, you don't understand, HE'S GONNA SHUT IT DOWN :lol:

Ahhh I've been laughing so hard at this, look at his posts he kicked up a stink about the devs not using the right voices for the argentinians earlier and threatened them with some diplomatic whoopass :D

alexandrei07
2012-09-30, 12:11
No no no, you don't understand, HE'S GONNA SHUT IT DOWN :lol:

.......... but the worst thing is that what this man wrote me ah if it is a threat, they will not do anything?

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-09-30, 12:14
Ok, why would Rhino clears the stuff he wrote? What will happen otherwise, Secret Argentina Services will shut down realitymod.com?

Since Rhino didn't agree on waiting too long for the Argies voices you went mad :|

alexandrei07
2012-09-30, 12:19
Unbiased source sac that these details?
You hereby warned, has until Monday 10/01/2012 at 12:00 pm to clear this!

Edit: User was infracted for "Unhelpful / useless posting". This section is for mod discussion not political debate, any continued threats will also be infracted as they have no place here.


I see that there is no freedom of speech in the forum, the discucion not politics, is historical!

Do not accept this infraction.

alexandrei07
2012-09-30, 12:23
Ok, why would Rhino clears the stuff he wrote? What will happen otherwise, Secret Argentina Services will shut down realitymod.com?

Since Rhino didn't agree on waiting too long for the Argies voices you went mad :|

No, I live in a republic with laws, I will give notice to Argentina Foreign Ministry, so we do things.

Edit: User was temp banned, threats towards members of this community will not be deemed acceptable.

alexandrei07
2012-09-30, 12:25
If you are an open forum at the beginning agruguen this historical fact:


The British occupation of the Falkland Islands was a military operation in the UK that the December 20, 1832 took control of the islands after the corvette USS Lexington destroyed the Argentine military defenses of the settlement of Puerto Soledad, in the homonymous island of that archipelago. Despite being in peaceful relations with the Confederation Argentina, on January 3 next year the British evacuated the garrison of 26 soldiers Argentina, but not the population civil.1 Since then, the islands have been under British rule, except during the brief period of the Falklands War in 1982.

Rudd
2012-09-30, 12:28
Alexandrei...

take it to the debate section, this section is for mod discussion only...it's not complicated

and don't pull the freedom of speech card, when you're trying to inhibit someone else's freedom of speech, that just makes you look stupid.

my personal opinion is that the text could have been more sensitive to Argentinians...but jesus Alex...


EDIT, if you wanna go make a mod about the British invasion of the Falklands in 1832...go ahead mate. Not gonna see us crying about it.

Rhino
2012-09-30, 12:32
I see that there is no freedom of speech in the forum, the discucion not politics, is historical!

Do not accept this infraction.

As I said back in post #54 of this topic:
Rhino;1820012']If you can find some strong sources that suggest anything massively different in there be my guest so share them.

Otherwise you are endanger of being banned from these forums as per Section 2, ix of the forum rules: Project Reality Forums - Forum Rules (https://www.realitymod.com/forum/rules/)ix Attitude
Constructive critism is welcome, but should be thought through and subjective. If you don't like something, put forward mature points as to why. A persistantly bad attitude and/or negative comments towards the team, the mod or otherwise will lead to your permanent removal from the forums.

It was also our forum moderators who gave you this infarction, not me and if you continue the way you are, I'm sure they will eventually ban you, but I'm going to stay out of that part and leave it up to them, but you have been warned, twice now... :roll:

If you are an open forum at the beginning agruguen this historical fact:


The British occupation of the Falkland Islands was a military operation in the UK that the December 20, 1832 took control of the islands after the corvette USS Lexington destroyed the Argentine military defenses of the settlement of Puerto Soledad, in the homonymous island of that archipelago. Despite being in peaceful relations with the Confederation Argentina, on January 3 next year the British evacuated the garrison of 26 soldiers Argentina, but not the population civil.1 Since then, the islands have been under British rule, except during the brief period of the Falklands War in 1982.

And how is this different from anything we have said, other than we didn't feel the need to mention what happened almost 200 years ago when we are focusing on a war that was only 30 years ago?

EDIT: also Alex their is are multi-quote and edit post buttons to save you from posting 3 replies in a row...

Spush
2012-09-30, 12:37
We should make a history thread in the off-topic forums :p.

Saobh
2012-09-30, 13:19
Spush;1820235']We should make a history thread in the off-topic forums :p.

An old one already exists from a bit more then a year ago, which he could have used if his point was anything other then rant his own "truth" rather then a real discussion.

Now everybody back to the threads purpose please.

hobbnob
2012-09-30, 13:34
Saobh;1820244']Now everybody back to the threads purpose please.

Agreed, can we get some info on the jet physics improvements? Has the delayed throttle been fixed?

AnimalMother.
2012-09-30, 14:29
Looking awesome, plus the use of Lindsey Stirling in the trailier has helped me convince a friend to try PR out :)

Just sad that I don't have my PC with me so that I can play it on release.

Daniel
2012-09-30, 14:32
Does lindsey even know about her track being (ab)used for this military issue? xD o_O

Rapid12
2012-09-30, 15:11
Just an idea........To save a scramble for the files on Friday, and the inevitable slow D/L speeds due to demand, would it not be wise to drip feed the files from now? Just withhold server files until the release date.

Oh, also, what is PR time in relation to time in GREAT BRITAIN ?

P.s Will any joystick work, or does the game require an all singing and dancing one?

Rhino
2012-09-30, 15:24
Oh, also, what is PR time in relation to time in GREAT BRITAIN ?

P.s Will any joystick work, or does the game require an all singing and dancing one?

If you look in the top right of the forums, under where it says
"Welcome, *Your Username*.
You last visited: *
Private Messages: Unread *, Total *
Time in PRT here"

But its an hr behind UK time currently.

James2464
2012-09-30, 17:02
Looking awesome, plus the use of Lindsey Stirling in the trailier has helped me convince a friend to try PR out :)

Just sad that I don't have my PC with me so that I can play it on release.

Very nice :D

Zulnex
2012-09-30, 17:05
Splendid news!8) Looking forward to the release very much. Many thanks for your excellent work: Developers, Contributors, Beta Testers and everyone involved!

RazorB58
2012-09-30, 17:10
5 more days untill release, I want to play this SO BAD

Boris
2012-09-30, 17:40
Just an idea........To save a scramble for the files on Friday, and the inevitable slow D/L speeds due to demand, would it not be wise to drip feed the files from now? Just withhold server files until the release date.
I'm hoping there'll be a torrent link.

rCdyn
2012-09-30, 19:33
Will it be like Coral Sea?

Rhino
2012-09-30, 19:43
Will it be like Coral Sea?

There is a Vehicle Warfare layer with only Jets, Choppers and AA guns which is aimed around jet combat:
http://realitymodfiles.com/rhino/promo/falklands/mapOverview_gpm_vehicles_64.jpg

More info in this topic: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f196-pr-highlights/115200-falklands.html

risegold8929
2012-09-30, 19:44
Video looks amazing. Perhaps aircraft can fight in organised wings now? :D

lucky.BOY
2012-09-30, 20:43
Video looks amazing. Perhaps aircraft can fight in organised wings now? :D

They actually did on beta test.

Rhino
2012-09-30, 21:21
They actually did on beta test.

And I'm sure they will on full release too, since there are so many aircraft, such long distances to fly (in comparison to other PR maps) and flying in wings gives you significant advantages.

Jafar Ironclad
2012-09-30, 21:40
If you thought air-to-air in standard PR was dull and anti-climactic, you'd probably be right. Here, long view distances, abundance of aircraft, and scarcity of missiles makes flying mutual support (flight leader-wingman) and smart ACM EVERYTHING outside of a 100% ambush situation (If you don't know they're behind you until you hear the lock tone, you're dead anyway).

Dr_Death
2012-10-01, 02:40
I am sorry for going a little bit off topic, guys, but after the recovery of certain security films i have been able to see a recording of how Alex got banned, here is the public video of the banning, contains offensive language, violence and maybe a goose flying over a church and making it light on fire somehow:


Worst Movie Death Scene Ever! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrlIK_ArzeM)

We will hold a minute in silence for him.

40mmrain
2012-10-01, 02:52
any plans for further jet features like air radar, longer missile ranges, dynamic gun crosshairs, AWACS, etc?

did the hermes have carrier based AWACS craft like the american hawkeye?

PLODDITHANLEY
2012-10-01, 10:43
Looking forward to it hugely.

What server rules are likely to be required re baserape, what anything goes?

If during a battle we don't happen to have a player prepared to man mainly the Invincible AA assets it's going to get messy. Need a CAS person or CO to do it to have the radar I guess.

Can't see many Brit pilots going to bomb Rio Grande?

Will everyone have the full map or just pilots?
Has it still got the three levels of zoom?

Bit confused on the minimap thing as I remember seeing somewhere an arrow with a heading to get between Rio Grande and the Islands?

did the hermes have carrier based AWACS craft like the american hawkeye?



I believe Brits had Sea king heli based AEW, the carriers are just too small for much else apart from a Harrier.


I love Alex epic guy. Funnily enough although I've an uncle buried there I have the utmost respect for the Argentinians because of their Gentlemanly conduct throughout the war with no rapes (iirc) and very little robbery, torture or pillaging by troops. In WW2/Korea/Vietnam every one was doing it. Plus the nerves of steel the Arg pilots had epic stuff.

Rhino
2012-10-01, 10:51
any plans for further jet features like air radar, longer missile ranges, dynamic gun crosshairs, AWACS, etc?

did the hermes have carrier based AWACS craft like the american hawkeye?

We have plans for a radar concept we hope to add sometime in the future.

Longer range missiles, really only short ranges missiles where used during the war, other than the R.530 which in reality, doesn't have that much more of a longer range than the AIM-9L, which we also represent ingame.
AIM-9L Range: 18km r/l, 900m ingame.
Matra R.530: 20km r/l, 1km ingame.
Matra R.550 Magic (represented by the AA-11 ingame): 15km r/l, 750m ingame.

dynamic gun crosshairs, don't see any simple way of coding this into BF2, would require an external .exe and a load of hacking work, and probably wouldn't work very well.

AEW&C, can't see it ever being implemented with the vBF2 UAV radar code being able to pick up ANYTHING in its range, even a guy deep underground in a tunnel system, if it flies over it, it would pick him up.... If we could limit it to just aircraft (believe me we've tried) or find some other decent method of doing it then we may consider it, but still, not going to add that much to the battle.

As for was AEW&C used during the Falklands war by the Brits, the answer to that is it wasn't. It was one of the many serious flaws in the Royal Navies capabilities at the time, where it was for some very odd reason believed that the British aircraft carriers would always be operating with American ones, and they would be using their AEW&C systems. When the Falklands War broke out, the Americans obviously didn't want to get involved, other than warn the British going to war was a suicide mission and wouldn't lend any help for not wanting to upset their neighbours. Although Chile did give support to Britain in the form of radar early warning from their land based radars and Intelligence about the Argentine military. Also their is some evidence to suggest than an SAS team was hanging outside of BAM Rio Grande (the airbase represented ingame, and more importantly where the Super Etendards and Exocet missiles where based, to gather intelligence on the base for a possible SAS raid (that never took place) and to also report any aircraft taking off from the airbase but it isn't clear if this mission was ever successful or not as after the Sea King helicopter carrying the men "crashed landed in Chile" (wasn't enough fuel for a return trip) little information can be found about the SAS team that chopper was carrying after that.

The outcome of the British lacking AEW&C during the war was the Sea King AEW, which is still used today, even in Afghanistan where its a pretty vital bit of intelligence equipment.
http://wallpaper.searchrealm.com/Planes-Helicopters/Helicopters/helicopter-SeaKingAEW.jpg


EDIT:
What server rules are likely to be required re baserape, what anything goes?

If during a battle we don't happen to have a player prepared to man mainly the Invincible AA assets it's going to get messy. Need a CAS person or CO to do it to have the radar I guess.

That's really up to the server admins at the end of the day but the players have the tools to defend themselves, so at the very least I would like island bases to be bombed as they where massively during the war, airbases, up to the admins if they want to allow it or not but probably best for everyone if they don't but they have the tools to defend themselves if they do come under attack.

And ye the idea is for the commander to sit in the ATC to conduct his team from, if anyone comes into radar range, then he switches to one of the AA weapons and shoots it down :)

Will everyone have the full map or just pilots?
Has it still got the three levels of zoom?

Bit confused on the minimap thing as I remember seeing somewhere an arrow with a heading to get between Rio Grande and the Islands?

Everyone has the same map, only features the 8km by 8km area around the islands unfortunately, what the navigation arrows in the corner of the maps are for to tell pilots the distance from the arrow to the main, and the heading they need to go to find it.

And yes, still has 3 levels of zoom.

PLODDITHANLEY
2012-10-01, 11:00
Rhino, for seemingly full info on SAS in Arg read:

Special Forces Pilot (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Special-Forces-Pilot-Flying-Falkland/dp/1844158047/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349089184&sr=8-1)

EDIT: So if air combat developed in the 'air corridor' they'd more than likely get horribly lost?

Could be nice one day to put bouys every X km on the way?

Rhino
2012-10-01, 11:16
Rhino, for seemingly full info on SAS in Arg read:

Special Forces Pilot (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Special-Forces-Pilot-Flying-Falkland/dp/1844158047/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349089184&sr=8-1)

EDIT: So if air combat developed in the 'air corridor' they'd more than likely get horribly lost?

Looks like that book really only covers the flying into Argentina / Chile part which there is quite a lot of information about, the bit that's missing, at least from internet sources is what happened to the SAS team after it.

As for aircraft getting lost outside of the minimap borders, it is possible to get a little lost but no so lost you can never find your way back. Argentina is very large, you have to go massively off course in order to loose it, the bit covered on the 16km minimap doesn't even cover all of Argentina I've made, only a small portion of it, can see it all here, ignore the orange box: http://i.imgur.com/lIgBR.jpg
Basically you can go off course a bit to not find the airbase, but you should be able to find some part of land even if you go massively off-course, and simple way of finding your way to the airbase then is if the land is flat, follow the coast south, if its mountainous, follow the coast north and you will find the airbase ;)
For the Brits, the Carrier isn't far from the outside of the minimap, but while being a small thing to find it again isn't that hard and if you really can't find it, just head back into the map (can see your jet icon on the side of the map in relation to where you are, just need to point your jet towards it) then once back in, fly to the arrow and go back on the heading it says to find the carrier and you should be fine, but that's really worst case scenario, I've never gotten that lost myself :p

hobbnob
2012-10-01, 11:19
Rhino;1820534']Looks like that book really only covers the flying into Argentina / Chile part which there is quite a lot of information about, the bit that's missing, at least from internet sources is what happened to the SAS team after it.

As for aircraft getting lost outside of the minimap borders, it is possible to get a little lost but no so lost you can never find your way back. Argentina is very large, you have to go massively off course in order to loose it, the bit covered on the 16km minimap doesn't even cover all of Argentina I've made, only a small portion of it, can see it all here, ignore the orange box: http://i.imgur.com/lIgBR.jpg
Basically you can go off course a bit to not find the airbase, but you should be able to find some part of land even if you go massively off-course, and simple way of finding your way to the airbase then is if the land is flat, follow the coast south, if its mountainous, follow the coast north and you will find the airbase ;)
For the Brits, the Carrier isn't far from the outside of the minimap, but while being a small thing to find it again isn't that hard and if you really can't find it, just head back into the map (can see your jet icon on the side of the map in relation to where you are, just need to point your jet towards it) then once back in, fly to the arrow and go back on the heading it says to find the carrier and you should be fine, but that's really worst case scenario, I've never gotten that lost myself :p

Thanks rhino for taking the time to answer all our questions :D

One more, is there really no gameplay mechanic whatsoever to stop one jet flying to the other teams base? If so then that's what I'm really looking forward to, a feeling that not even the main base is completely safe :D

Rhino
2012-10-01, 11:23
Their isn't anything. In order to allow jets to fly outside of the minimap borders, players to walk in the airbase etc the combat zones need to be totally disabled, and as such, the only thing we could possible do is to have domes of death made though Python code, like what POE2 had but that really sucks but if it becomes a massive problem possibly something we might look into seeing if we can improve.

=HCM= Shwedor
2012-10-01, 11:51
OMG R.550 only 750m range? You must feex this propoganda or ve vill report you to the Ministry of Silly Walks!


How do the Exocets track? Permanent lase on the ship?

Rhino
2012-10-01, 12:24
How do the Exocets track? Permanent lase on the ship?

Pretty much ye. Other than we couldn't add a laser target to the ship itself, for some reason it refused to work unless the ship respawned :p

As such I've just dotted lots of laser targets all around the ship which dose the job, although can be a little buggy for anyone firing the missile as you can lock onto one lase, get the lock on message but then if another lase targets becomes closer for w/e reason, then you will brake lock from the old lase and start tracking the new one, which can result in you firing the missile without a lock when you think you have one... Hopefully we might be able to solve that problem in the future with a proper lock on tone, rather than "I've got lock" VO as it is now.
Also the laser targets stay after the ship is destroyed and they also show up for Brit jets too :p

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-10-01, 14:59
So there is no layer with flags on the west island? It feels quite empty :razz:

Except Pebble Island

Rhino
2012-10-01, 15:35
In the 1982 Falklands war which all the layers are based on nothing much happened on the west side as the Capital Stanley was on the east side. Only really thing that happened there was a few SF missions and the Argentines held a bunch of prisoners there.

Phoenix4894
2012-10-01, 16:58
HA! A Mod for a Mod :D

multplaneta
2012-10-02, 00:15
Seems really great, it will be a honor as a brazilian to destroy the argies.

As a Brazilian, I fully agree with Pablomercer!!!!!!:D:D

Minimalaco
2012-10-02, 01:13
As a Brazilian, I fully agree with Pablomercer!!!!!!:D:D

the great contribution......

Lange
2012-10-02, 06:35
Real great to have some new content finally as it has been far too long since something new and I think it will be a good time and a good contribution to the mod.

Von_Gnome
2012-10-02, 11:52
Will we be able to preload it?

Rhino
2012-10-02, 12:09
The download is going to be around 260mb, no need to pre-load.

Panzerfire
2012-10-02, 14:30
Looks like I'm getting an early birthday present. I'm turning 24 on the 7th. :D

sapper1893
2012-10-02, 21:12
Oh boy this will be fun for infantry when the only cover are rocks.

This is where you find out if your section battle drills are in order. There will be a lot of CHARLIE/DELTA fire team moves on this map. Look forward to it.

hobbnob
2012-10-02, 21:14
This is where you find out if your section battle drills are in order. There will be a lot of CHARLIE/DELTA fire team moves on this map. Look forward to it.

Tried this on a public server once, it went horribly horribly wrong when the damn insurgents decided to throw some RPG's at us :-x

sapper1893
2012-10-02, 21:19
So there is no layer with flags on the west island? It feels quite empty :razz:

Except Pebble Island

To be honest there is was next to nothing on West Falkland. Pretty much the same now apart from some farms and settlements. West Falkland is pretty bleak. I know I've been there. Went to Pebble Beach as well. You can still find chunks of pukara lying around on the airstrip where they were destroyed by SF.

tmzlifestyle
2012-10-03, 20:57
Will they launch a single player version, perhaps in the future?

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-10-03, 21:44
Will they launch a single player version, perhaps in the future?

Would be nearly impossible with such a big map for bots to find their way, you can't navmesh a map this big, only small parts of it.

Maybe a skirmish version but not the whole map, which is the whole point of the minimod anyway :razz:

Hans Martin Slayer
2012-10-03, 22:30
Inafantry Navmesh might be tricky, but setting up some dogfight scenario with bots should be easy.

Igwaith
2012-10-03, 23:37
It would be nice to have sp version, maybe in 64 layer like some maps have, or at least in the "Operacion Rosario" of 32.

Jorgee!
2012-10-04, 12:10
As there are many argentinians here, I think it's disrespectful to call the mod Falklands instead of Falklands/Malvinas.

We aren't very active at this moment in PR, but when we were, some time ago, we wanted to make this mod, and the Devs said "It's still an open wound" and you didn't want to support us. Then suddenly you decided to make the mod.

Rhino
2012-10-04, 13:12
As there are many argentinians here, I think it's disrespectful to call the mod Falklands instead of Falklands/Malvinas.

While it should have been mentioned some point in the news post I agree (we forgot that one :p) having two names for it in the title of the mod is simply too long, confusing and as a result, unacceptable.

The islands are most commonly known world wide as the Falklands, not just by the British but all English speaking countries around the world. And since English is the most spoken language on Earth, its safe to opt for the English name of it as its main name. Hell the French call the islands "Malouines", should we also be putting that in the name?

Can you imagine having it called Project Reality: Battlefield 2 - Falklands/Malvinas Addon? Even PR:F/M is long and the /M is just confusing...

Sorry but its not going to happen...

We aren't very active at this moment in PR, but when we were, some time ago, we wanted to make this mod, and the Devs said "It's still an open wound" and you didn't want to support us. Then suddenly you decided to make the mod.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything nor do I understand what you mean by "It's still an open wound"?

As for not supporting you, we don't support hardly any team out there until they show any real promise. If we did 90% of the time we would be wasting our time with all our hard work going down the drain, which would have been the same in this case here. PR:F is very different from what was originally attempted by you guys (and your also not the first to try on the BF2 engine, or for PR) and frankly, the overall concept and plan was nothing like PR:F. Without an 8x8km map (16x16km if you include the airbases), or many of the other gameplay mechanics in this mod which make it work so well and the reason why this was developed. All you where aiming for was making the Argentine faction which to be honest isn't anything like enough. I'm sorry to say that in the world of modding, only a small fraction of mods ever succeed, and that's just a fact you've got to face when you start out.

pedrooo14
2012-10-04, 13:16
As there are many argentinians here, I think it's disrespectful to call the mod Falklands instead of Falklands/Malvinas.


Agree with that


We aren't very active at this moment in PR, but when we were, some time ago, we wanted to make this mod, and the Devs said "It's still an open wound" and you didn't want to support us. Then suddenly you decided to make the mod.


If you want to make the mod, no body stops you. Don?t forget that Rhino starts this mods like a personal project, alone.

DowJonesARG
2012-10-04, 13:21
As there are many argentinians here, I think it's disrespectful to call the mod Falklands instead of Falklands/Malvinas.

We aren't very active at this moment in PR, but when we were, some time ago, we wanted to make this mod, and the Devs said "It's still an open wound" and you didn't want to support us. Then suddenly you decided to make the mod.

As an Argentinian myself, YOU WANT IT to be disrespectful, WE call them Malvinas, only WE, a little percentage of PR players around the world. You are always focusing on people's flaws that distract you from seeing your own (ver la paja en el ojo ajeno para que lo entiendas).

Jorgee we know you from others servers, and you're always looking for trouble.

Always.

Good ridance!


|DowJonesARG|

Cristian_ARG
2012-10-04, 13:33
I think the same as pedro and dow.

Vamos Argentina!!!

Rudd
2012-10-04, 13:37
How about we called it Falkinas or Malvlands instead? Meet halfway hehe.

Rhino
2012-10-04, 13:52
How about we called it Falkinas or Malvlands instead? Meet halfway hehe.

Only if it becomes interregionally recognised as it :p

MacDouche
2012-10-04, 13:55
How about we called it Falkinas or Malvlands instead? Meet halfway hehe.

Hahahaha, thanks for the lol ! :razz:

As an Argentinian, I refer to the mod as PR: Malvinas when talking with other people, but some guys here fail to understand that one thing in one part of the world may have a different name somewhere else.

Like Rhino said: "the French call the islands "Malouines"".

The japanese people call them the " フォークランド諸島" (Fōkurando shotō)...make sure to include that one in the mod too Rhino!! Lol.

Adriaan
2012-10-04, 13:57
Hahaha, love the sound of Malvlands!
Falkinas sounds kinda exotic though. Who knows it might bring more tourists.

Rhino
2012-10-04, 14:00
Adriaan;1821516']Falkinas sounds kinda exotic though. Who knows it might bring more tourists.

Expecting palm trees but winding up with Penguins. Guess its kinda the same thing :p

doop-de-doo
2012-10-04, 14:02
Adriaan;1821516']Hahaha, love the sound of Malvlands!
Falkinas sounds kinda exotic though. Who knows it might bring more tourists.

Excuse the trolling, but wouldn't that be something like PR-players-arrested-for-spying-on-south-american-falkland-islands/ (http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/11/arma-3-devs-arrested-for-spying-on-greek-island-lemnos/)?

:P

Still trying to wrangle the joystick from my bro >:^D

Rhino
2012-10-04, 14:06
Excuse the trolling, but wouldn't that be something like PR-players-arrested-for-spying-on-south-american-falkland-islands/ (http://www.vg247.com/2012/09/11/arma-3-devs-arrested-for-spying-on-greek-island-lemnos/)?

:P

Still trying to wrangle the joystick from my bro >:^D

Tourism is one of the biggest incomes the Falklands Islands have, other than its possible oil reserves :p

So as long as they don't go around taking pics of RAF Mount Pleasant... :p

Also buy a nice cheap one if you can't, its worth it ;)

Nugiman
2012-10-04, 15:58
Rhino, one question.
Since the very first pic you showed from the PR:F map I wondered about the weather setting.
I saw the film 'Blessed by Fire' (I guess you did too!) and mostly in that film it was rainy, cloudy and cold. Thats why I wondered when I first saw your map, which seems on a middly-warm summer day, not at all like it seems from the film.
I just researched about the 'real-life' climate of the Falklands and it has about 200 rainy days in a year, which is quite much, and it rarely gets more than 15 degrees.

So I ask you, did you do the weather setting because of gameplay? View distance?
Or was there no other way, or no good way, to simulate the 'bad' weather of the falklands?
Just asking, quite interested in your answer!

AxeeLSkyHawK
2012-10-04, 16:17
I think that while the British not walk saying "British Falklands" to the Argentines and Argentines not walk saying "Malvinas Argentinas" towards the British are going to be fine ... Since it is an offense to both.

AxeeL_ARG

Rhino
2012-10-04, 16:23
Rhino, one question.
Since the very first pic you showed from the PR:F map I wondered about the weather setting.
I saw the film 'Blessed by Fire' (I guess you did too!) and mostly in that film it was rainy, cloudy and cold. Thats why I wondered when I first saw your map, which seems on a middly-warm summer day, not at all like it seems from the film.
I just researched about the 'real-life' climate of the Falklands and it has about 200 rainy days in a year, which is quite much, and it rarely gets more than 15 degrees.

So I ask you, did you do the weather setting because of gameplay? View distance?
Or was there no other way, or no good way, to simulate the 'bad' weather of the falklands?
Just asking, quite interested in your answer!

I haven't watched that film, wasn't aware of it till now but explains where some photos I've seen on google are from, like that sea harrier in the trailer with the wrong doing a gun run on their position, seen that pic on google a few times and wondered where it had come from :p

The main thing I'm limited by is the sky textures we have available to us. Although it is possible to make new skies its not straight forward :p

This is due to the light settings must match the sky, otherwise everything feels is out of place.

The sky I picked was the best one in the existing skies that suited the Falklands, although I did search the net for better skies, couldn't find any ones that where any better tbh.

There isn't that many decent colour pics that show the sky from the war but here are a few. My guess is the movie portrays the weather worse than it was, as it can't effectively portray the coldness (as it was very, very cold), they have most likely shown that by rain etc. Anyways a few pics:
http://i.imgur.com/lZaeq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Vge9S.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FmM0X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/v2nUG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kRTdo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3J53p.jpg

So ye, while very overcast, I think the sky I've got is about right?

Dr_Death
2012-10-04, 17:00
As there are many argentinians here, I think it's disrespectful to call the mod Falklands instead of Falklands/Malvinas.

We aren't very active at this moment in PR, but when we were, some time ago, we wanted to make this mod, and the Devs said "It's still an open wound" and you didn't want to support us. Then suddenly you decided to make the mod.

no estoy de acuerdo

falklands is just the name the british kingdom uses, every country uses that name (or most of them with languages based on latin) and i dont find it an open wound, i find more tragic the actions of the 70' and 80' that started the war.

[QUOTE=Rhino]
The islands are most commonly known world wide as the Falklands, not just by the British but all English speaking countries around the world. And since English is the most spoken language on Earth, its safe to opt for the English name of it as its main name. Hell the French call the islands "Malouines", should we also be putting that in the name?

wrong, the most spoken language its the chinese, after that, spanish, and then english

Rudd
2012-10-04, 17:04
wrong, the most spoken language its the chinese, after that, spanish, and then english

Incorrect, there are more chinese speakers than any other in the world; however the commonality of English is higher since Chinese speakers are concentrated in one area of the world.

Rhino
2012-10-04, 17:18
Incorrect, there are more chinese speakers than any other in the world; however the commonality of English is higher since Chinese speakers are concentrated in one area of the world.

Ye, as Rudd said English is first in the world, while its Native speakers are much lower than the Chinese native speakers, the total amount of speakers around the world is far higher than any other language: World language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_language#Living_world_languages)
http://i.imgur.com/MRoZd.jpg

=HCM= Shwedor
2012-10-04, 17:45
Or we can just refer to the place as "those silly little islands nobody has ever heard of."

'Murica! style.

Rudd
2012-10-04, 18:27
Or we can just refer to the place as "those silly little islands nobody has ever heard of."

'Murica! style.

I thought that is what you guys called the British Isles? :wink:

DowJonesARG
2012-10-04, 18:44
One way to call them as someone says is Falkinas or Malvlands so the Argentinians (as me) & the British don't go over the edge about the naming of the Islands.

Besides it just a game about a War that made a lot of people from both countries orphans, widows and parents with out their sons.

So I propose to keep it to a minimum the opinions so this doesn't escalate to another conflict here.

Just saying.

Live long the Malvlands!


DowJonesARG

Corporal-Julitox22
2012-10-04, 19:28
Maybe i can see a list of weapons and vehicles :m1helmet::m1helmet::m1helmet: ?
So good job , thanks from argentina

BMF-cetniksoldier
2012-10-04, 19:34
Much respect to the PR team! I love what you guys can do with a 7 year old gaming engine!

Von_Gnome
2012-10-04, 19:36
Maybe i can see a list of weapons and vehicles :m1helmet::m1helmet::m1helmet: ?
So good job , thanks from argentina

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f196-pr-highlights/115200-falklands.html

Just scroll down :)

[S7] Medic
2012-10-04, 20:22
This might shed some light on what was talked about in previous posts. It did for me. Was to young when it happened to be bothered with it.:-D
It also gives a good insight in what equipment was used in that war.
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Rhino
2012-10-04, 21:04
Medic;1821637']This might shed some light on what was talked about in previous posts. It did for me. Was to young when it happened to be bothered with it.:-D
It also gives a good insight in what equipment was used in that war.
Falklands 1982 - Part 1 of 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn51K4yCppg&hd=1)
Falklands 1982 - Part 2 of 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Sv_GEopy8&hd=1)
Falklands 1982 - Part 3 of 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2o4r7dHTKQ&hd=1)


Nice set of vids there, only watch the first part so far but haven't seen that documentary before myself :)

Had some very good info in it but quite jumbled up etc, also showed some footage I hadn't seen before.

Personally I would very much recommend this documentary to anyone wanting to understand the Falklands war, although it doesn't go into the same detail as the above one but more modern and presented better :D
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EDIT: in fact now I've just finished watching part 2 of those videos you've linked too, its not that accurate and tbh, quite one sided to the Brits even if I do say so myself :p
But dose contain a good amount of footage :D

The one I've linked to is far more partial and accurate :)

Rudd
2012-10-04, 21:48
EDIT: in fact now I've just finished watching part 2 of those videos you've linked too, its not that accurate and tbh, quite one sided to the Brits even if I do say so myself

Agreed

I 250% recommend that everyone read a book like 'Voices of the Falklands War' by Max Hastings (who was an SBS artillery spotter in the Falklands at the time. He has collated 1st hand accounts from both sides for several conflicts such as WW2 etc and did the same for the Falklands. Its a much better way to learn history imo, as you hear the story from the men who were actually there rather than armchair generals or dispassionate historians. Want to know what the locals thought of the situation? It's in there, want to know what happened to the British troops from their own perspective? Its in there. Want to know the hopes many of the Argentinians had for improving the lives of the Falklanders? Its in there.

That book will change the way you see the war, makes it alot more personal.

My favorite entries were from the Argentinian officer in charge of improving the Island, General Moore of the Marines and one of the harrier squadron commanders. Admiral Woodward gets pretty slated in it tbh.

ireg4all
2012-10-04, 21:54
Seems really great, it will be a honor as a brazilian to destroy the argies.

brazuca feo

Ontopic: Can't wait !!!! Can't sleep !!!! cant everything !!

Rhino
2012-10-04, 21:56
Admiral Woodward gets pretty slated in it tbh.

It is pretty funny in the first vid medic linked which has an interview with him before the fighting started at 9:30 where he says his ships have very effective AA weapons :p

pedrooo14
2012-10-04, 22:29
Rhino;1821554']I haven't watched that film, wasn't aware of it till now but explains where some photos I've seen on google are from, like that sea harrier in the trailer with the wrong doing a gun run on their position, seen that pic on google a few times and wondered where it had come from :p



Dont see it, Its crap.

DowJonesARG
2012-10-04, 23:30
Sorry for the OFFTOPIC, but it seems that Jorgee didn't like my response to his bitchering about the MiniMod's Falkland/Malvinas name. I'm not going to put de MP that he just send me, because I'm a Mature guy, but nevertheless, Jorgee...CHUPALA Y NO SEAS CAGON.

Cheers and sorry for the OT.

Keep up the excellent work.


DowJonesARG

Dragonfire43560
2012-10-05, 01:23
so will the argentinians in this have spanish voice/radio commands?

Rhino
2012-10-05, 02:07
so will the argentinians in this have spanish voice/radio commands?

Not in the first release thou, although we hope they will be ready for the next release ;)

jorge_prargentina
2012-10-05, 02:19
eeh loco ya que tamos metemos a las mellis


Please enable the link, I can not wait until 16.00hs :mrgreen:

Noddy Edit.. link removed for being o/t.. please contain your excitement else you might rupture somehting :P

crot
2012-10-05, 04:19
Wow, haven't seen so many argentinians on PR forums before. :D

RazoR41
2012-10-05, 05:43
I'm so excited. This is more amazing than PR:V!

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-10-05, 06:52
Rhino;1821753']Not in the first release thou, although we hope they will be ready for the next release ;)
Everybody agreed to have French as placeholder though :(

jebezz
2012-10-05, 07:38
11 and a half hours to go! I'm stoked. Can't wait!

Daniel
2012-10-05, 07:56
11 hours left!!! CAN'T WAAAIT! :D :D ;) 8)

=HCM= Shwedor
2012-10-05, 07:58
lol @ Noddy's edit to jorge. I think that belongs in the Funny thread :P

Tick-Tock, up at 4 a.m. doing homework and procrastinating/drooling at this thread.

afatkid303
2012-10-05, 09:06
Can't wait guys! Though-roughly enjoyed my time on PR so far! Thanks PR team for what you're doing and keep up the good work! I have a feeling your Falklands patch is going to hit the spot!
Cheers lads,
D.Brannen [3|AIU]

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-10-05, 09:33
Working on some Project Normandy before Falklands hits and take all my free time :D

Dr_Death
2012-10-05, 10:21
Rhino;1821753']Not in the first release thou, although we hope they will be ready for the next release ;)

rhino, i WOULD LOVE to make some radio commands, but i cant, as one of the argentina singularities is that the local way to speak changes every 10 or 15 years, and i speak with a standar spanish accent, however, i can get you the voice of some people i knew that weren't in the war but they were trained as soldiers

Walmarx
2012-10-05, 10:21
Ermagherd! It is nigh upon us!

A question just occurred to me. I am looking forward to doing some skyraiding, and I am wondering if the jet AA missles will be able to lock the A-1? None of them are radar-guided, are they?

PLODDITHANLEY
2012-10-05, 10:31
But this is PR so they probablly will still lock.

Lets all try and have some decent games and save the fooling about for when a server is empty though pleeease.

RazoR41
2012-10-05, 10:53
Still waiting... :)

UKrealplayER666
2012-10-05, 12:13
Cannot wait for 1.0, all of this in one giant mod? Get ready for the 6Gb mark chaps! And for a game that is 8 years old :D

Nugiman
2012-10-05, 12:34
Ermagherd! It is nigh upon us!

A question just occurred to me. I am looking forward to doing some skyraiding, and I am wondering if the jet AA missles will be able to lock the A-1? None of them are radar-guided, are they?

Skyraider has normally no flares, so whether they give it flares against AA, or the AA cant lock the A-1
Otherwise it would be a bit unfair for the A-1 ^^

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-10-05, 12:39
Skyraider has normally no flares, so whether they give it flares against AA, or the AA cant lock the A-1
Otherwise it would be a bit unfair for the A-1 ^^

A-1 Pilot :

"Damn I'm locked, well I guess that's it *bails out*" :neutral:

lucky.BOY
2012-10-05, 12:59
Well if you could not lock it, what could infantry do against it?

Nugiman
2012-10-05, 13:01
Well if you could not lock it, what could infantry do against it?

Trying to throw stones at it. Lots of stones.

hobbnob
2012-10-05, 13:11
Well if you could not lock it, what could infantry do against it?

Yeah basically what Nugiman said, try and hurt it in whatever way possible without using missiles. My guess is the A-1 won't be seen as a heat source for missiles but you'll have to use guns instead, like the CIWS on the carrier or the scimitar's cannon or the new GMPG coming in or whatever other goodies we'll get to play with :)

PlaynCool
2012-10-05, 13:14
Oh my oh my can't wait for this....It's getting very close.

chilean
2012-10-05, 13:56
Cant wait till its realese.....!!
just a few more hours!


BTW is there going to be a radar operating, leeting the brits know when Argentinians jet take off??

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-10-05, 14:24
Well if you could not lock it, what could infantry do against it?
We have planes in Project Normandy so the AA weaponry is bullets :) (US M51 and the Flak 38)

Shooting the A-1 with an AR would do the job to be honest, or .50 on the land rovers.

Antol
2012-10-05, 14:40
This should be more playable by people than Vientam.

Walmarx
2012-10-05, 14:50
This should be more playable by people than Vientam.

Vietnam was awesome, and I very much look forward to its return. I still don't understand what people were whining about, aside from actual technical problems, such as crashes. A great deal of work undoubtedly went into it, so can we stop bashing it please? This will be a completely different animal than Vietnam. Apples and Oranges.

Elvin
2012-10-05, 14:52
Vietnam was awesome, and I very much look forward to its return. I still don't understand what people were whining about, aside from actual technical problems, such as crashes. A great deal of work undoubtedly went into it, so can we stop bashing it please? This will be a completely different animal than Vietnam. Apples and Oranges.

It wasn't Muttrah/Kashan.

Walmarx
2012-10-05, 15:00
It wasn't Muttrah/Kashan.

EXACTLY! I am so sick to death of those maps.

In ~4 hours we will all have a new massive playground!

Jafar Ironclad
2012-10-05, 15:18
To reflect the lack of flares IRL for those craft, the A-1H (reflecting the Pucara it's standing in for) and A-4C both have only 15 flares. They can both be engaged by anti-air missiles.

Going to be at work when this launches. You all have fun, and let me know what you think of the jet balancing and physics!

Speaking of physics: THE HARRIERS AND A-4 DO HAVE A MINOR SPEED BOOST (when using the shift key). Don't forget the boost when taking off, catching up in formations, or maneuvering.

P.S. On the Harriers, the best timing to go reverse throttle for landing is 3 km from the carrier (I.E. right as it comes into view). Combined with an arc-ing approach pattern, you should come to a hover right next to the deck.

Hokunin
2012-10-05, 15:24
If Falkland PR is reality than the Exocet missiles shouldn't work, because British had "disable codes" taken from French under the threat to nuke Argentina capital city. Also, Argentina aircrafts had very limited fuel time like a few minutes only to engage weak slow Harriers and back to the base or go down to the sea.

MrTomRobs
2012-10-05, 15:44
2 hours people! As a quick one from me, my Dad knows I'm into PR and looking to do some mod stuff and whatever, but he doesn't know that the falklands is coming out. He was there himself with the RAF Reg and spent many an hour in the pub there on the base, is that going to be included on there too so i can show him and say 'Does this look familiar to you?' I can't remember what it's called - dog and fox? something similar anyway.

Can't wait for release! Exciting times!

LuchoLavalle
2012-10-05, 16:11
Can not wait for this release! I am so excited!

Rhino
2012-10-05, 16:19
A question just occurred to me. I am looking forward to doing some skyraiding, and I am wondering if the jet AA missles will be able to lock the A-1? None of them are radar-guided, are they?

AA missiles will be able to lock on and destroy the A-1H, which while not very realistic possibly yes, its mainly for AA weapons (Blowpipe MANPAD and other AA didn't lock onto heat sigs, where visually guided in). But for a Harrier, you've only got two AA misisles and its going to be a massive waist to use up one, possibly even two AA missiles if the first one misses on something that can easily be taken out with guns.

Nice little painting of an interdict of an Harrier taking out an Pucuar that actually happened during the war, pilot that got shot down survived but he stayed with his plane even after the Harrier had taken out one of the engines and one of his wings had almost fallen off, only ejected after the Harrier then took out the other engine.
http://i.imgur.com/HBHrB.jpg

If Falkland PR is reality than the Exocet missiles shouldn't work, because British had "disable codes" taken from French under the threat to nuke Argentina capital city.

I would love to know your source for that... The French did give the code (not disable code) and homing radar of the Exocet to the Brits but nothing that would destroy the missiles mid flight... The Exocets sunk two ships and damaged a third, with one being shot down mid flight by the ships main gun and others avoided with Chaff countermeasures (which in one case lead to the sinking of the AC).

2 hours people! As a quick one from me, my Dad knows I'm into PR and looking to do some mod stuff and whatever, but he doesn't know that the falklands is coming out. He was there himself with the RAF Reg and spent many an hour in the pub there on the base, is that going to be included on there too so i can show him and say 'Does this look familiar to you?' I can't remember what it's called - dog and fox? something similar anyway.

Can't wait for release! Exciting times!

Well, he isn't going to recognise it exactly, the map isn't to scale for starters, and buildings etc are very inaccurate, only representations of what is more or less there.

xambone
2012-10-05, 16:49
2pm Eastern release?

Antol
2012-10-05, 16:54
release!!! NNOWWW!!!

maarit
2012-10-05, 16:57
is mumble still down?

izoiva
2012-10-05, 17:00
is mumble still down?

yes, still down.

jorge_prargentina
2012-10-05, 17:08
and the link is ...

Gosu-Rizzle
2012-10-05, 17:10
... up in 2 hours at the release time.

dkleader
2012-10-05, 17:30
... up in 2 hours at the release time.
Or maybe earlier:
http://gyazo.com/7861eca7b31edd0cfd2aaaad8a976c3a.png

jebezz
2012-10-05, 18:04
Well! One hour left (except if it gets released early).
Too bad Mumble is down, hopefully you guys get it fixed soon.
I'm gonna play this puppy anyway though!

izoiva
2012-10-05, 18:09
mumble in not down!
You just need to type ipconfig /flushdns in cmd.

ObeerBongKenobi
2012-10-05, 18:11
where is the download? its 2pm east coast time.

Spush
2012-10-05, 18:12
3pm East Coast.

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-10-05, 18:14
In 45 mins, look top right of the website, it's at 19:00 PRT