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PLODDITHANLEY
2012-04-10, 09:40
Only used a few times successfully:

Sunday 13 June

Combat Report for this day,

Ground forces consolidate before the final push. At last we mount two successful LGB sorties with LTMs achieving DHs against pin-point enemy positions.

Source (http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/HarrierDiary6.cfm)

But again gameplay>realism but one less thing to sort out and animate too.

Rhino
2012-04-10, 09:50
Ye, you can see two paveways on the closest GR3 here:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6240/large3u.jpg

While dumb bombs where certainly most common, its mainly a gameplay thing. I might do two versions of the GR3, one with LGBs and one with dumb bombs but not 100% on that yet.

Argentina currently also have LGBs in the design plan but only on one jet even thou I'm pretty sure they didn't use them in the war, might swap them out for dumb bombs but might keep them just for gameplay reasons.

CommunistComma
2012-04-19, 21:30
If you want hyper realism, read a book.
Gameplay is paramount.

PoisonBill
2012-04-20, 19:02
If you want hyper realism, read a book.
Gameplay is paramount.

Well not really, I see it more as a placeholder since nothing else wouldn't be possible on the BF2 engine. :sad:

Rhino
2012-04-20, 20:36
If you want hyper realism, read a book.
Gameplay is paramount.

Well not really, I see it more as a placeholder since nothing else wouldn't be possible on the BF2 engine. :sad:

What are you guys on about? Are we still talking about LGBs here?

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-04-21, 14:56
What are LGBs? I thought the OP was talking about GLTD, as in Ground Target Laser Designator.

Rhino
2012-04-21, 17:43
LGB = Laser Guided Bombs, which can be directed by GLTDs

Pvt.LHeureux
2012-04-21, 21:53
Ok I see.

Murphy
2012-04-21, 22:26
I seriously hope we don't get GLTD, I'm afraid it would end up feeling like another round of PR instead of a whole new conflict set in a different time.

Rhino
2012-04-21, 22:55
I seriously hope we don't get GLTD, I'm afraid it would end up feeling like another round of PR instead of a whole new conflict set in a different time.

Even if only in limited numbers like they where in the real conflict? This is to LGBs than GLTDs btw to stop any confusion. GLTDs will be just as common as they are in normal PR (Officers and snipers getting them) and no guided air to ground missiles either.

lucky.BOY
2012-04-22, 16:29
How many Harriers are you planning to have in air at once, Rhino? If one of them is fitted with LGBs while other 2-3 have dummies, it think it will be good.

Also, werent GLTDs back then those bigass clunky things, with even tripods i believe? What about making them "deployed", like sniper rifles?

brainstormin

Rhino
2012-04-22, 17:35
How many Harriers are you planning to have in air at once, Rhino? If one of them is fitted with LGBs while other 2-3 have dummies, it think it will be good.

For the main mode I'm currently thinking something like 1 GR3 with 2x 1000lb LGBs (+ cannons) and then very possibly 1 more GR3 with either dumb bombs or rocket pods but I don't really want to give the brits too much CAS with the carrier etc being so close to the islands.

Also, werent GLTDs back then those bigass clunky things, with even tripods i believe? What about making them "deployed", like sniper rifles?

brainstormin

Dunno what they where like bk then but sounds about right but something possibly to look into for future release as its pretty low priority.

Varok
2012-04-22, 18:05
I can't wait to try this.

PLODDITHANLEY
2012-04-25, 07:17
All I could find with an older type GLTD....

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6047/lgb2.jpg

Doc.Pock
2012-04-26, 05:15
Very real... ;-)

but ye thats about how they looked back then. Maybe recon class has an option to have either radio or gltd. Afaik radios were big back then too?

PLODDITHANLEY
2012-04-27, 07:32
I know but all I could find although he's a respected military painter (http://www.studio88.co.uk/acatalog/Michael_Turner.html).

Rhino
2012-04-27, 08:08
Here is the one used in the Falklands: 1982 | 2627 | Flight Archive (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1982/1982%20-%202627.html)

Another pic of it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/DHY_307_laser_target_designator_P1220819.jpg/450px-DHY_307_laser_target_designator_P1220819.jpg

Not that much different in terms of size from the GTLD we have ingame, other than its on a tripod and the base of it has a keyboard with an LCD :p
http://www.cilas.com/defense-securite/dhy_307_viking1_136.jpg


Although according to that article above, Laser Designators where not as common as I thought, with only 8 deployed to the Falklands, with 2 of them being lost in a chopper crash and only used in 2 attacks near the end of the war.

As such I'm tempted to reconsider the amount of LGBs and GTLDs I'm going to put ingame. Right now thinking of only giving the GTLDs to British Snipers (possibly Argentinian too, although they wont get LGBs) and have 1x Harrier GR3 with 2x 1000lb LGBs with a very long, delayed, spawn time.

This way only a few players will have GTLDs, and LGBs wont be nearly as common, but still present :)

PLODDITHANLEY
2012-04-27, 12:05
I agree Rhino at that time it was mainly SNEB rocket attacks. As it says in No 1 squadron diaries, and that great article, they only achieved 2 DH dead hits. I'd be surprised if they dropped 6 in total and with all the problems with the first drops none hit. However if the war would have continued even a week I suspect it would have been raining paveways.

Although the problem we have is that comparatively speaking PR's AA and operators will have more success than was achieved by the defenders in the Falklands. If CAS is having to get low down and dirty with the present set up they won't last long.

In game the aircraft are too damn slow to compared to IRL (I know why).

Options: less or no AA deployable or kit
or reduce defectiveness of AA

Good find for the old GLTD but that tripod is just one to display it - it's way too big.

Rhino
2012-04-27, 12:33
Although the problem we have is that comparatively speaking PR's AA and operators will have more success than was achieved by the defenders in the Falklands. If CAS is having to get low down and dirty with the present set up they won't last long.

In game the aircraft are too damn slow to compared to IRL (I know why).

Options: less or no AA deployable or kit
or reduce defectiveness of AA

Your only thinking of current map View Distances (VDs) which is max of around 1km. With much higher VDs, which I hope to have a 3km one on this map, current AA missiles only have a range of ~900ms iirc, meaning the AA is going to have to wait for a much longer time before they can engage.

LongHairedHuman
2012-04-27, 14:31
Rhino;1765001']Your only thinking of current map View Distances (VDs) which is max of around 1km. With much higher VDs, which I hope to have a 3km one on this map, current AA missiles only have a range of ~900ms iirc, meaning the AA is going to have to wait for a much longer time before they can engage.

Right, time to practice bombing, and releasing payload 1km from target :D

Rhino
2012-04-27, 14:43
Right, time to practice bombing, and releasing payload 1km from target :D

Still gotta contend with AAA and other jets ;)

Hitman.2.5
2012-04-28, 23:39
dumb bombing in PR is a daft idea... no CCIP or CCRP and even the old" once the target is beneath your nose" dive bombing trick wont work, its BF2... Rhino's "Not so Common" plan seems the most viable.

What aircraft will the Argies get? A-4's? or the F-2000's?, if they got the A-4 there could be collaboration with PR:V as the A-4 was a common attack jet in vietnam times?

Rhino
2012-04-29, 00:34
dumb bombing in PR is a daft idea... no CCIP or CCRP and even the old" once the target is beneath your nose" dive bombing trick wont work, its BF2... Rhino's "Not so Common" plan seems the most viable.

TBH with a high VD, dumb bombing isn't impossible to get it dead on, but dose take a bit of practice to get the hang of it but I can hit a target pretty much 90% of the time now :)
Although that isn't contending with avoiding AA and other jets :p

What aircraft will the Argies get? A-4's? or the F-2000's?, if they got the A-4 there could be collaboration with PR:V as the A-4 was a common attack jet in vietnam times?

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f562-pr-falklands-general-discussion/109712-pr-bf2-falklands-design-plan.html