Subforums for Community Factions

[162eRI]

I really don't see the point of all of this. One day it is ok to accept two new BLUFOR factions (if I'm not mistaken, they are BLUFOR) and one day after it isn't anymore?!

Also, you are saying "they can continue to develop their faction, but within the walls of the community modding section." What is the difference if they can do it within the walls of the PR Community Factions? You don't want BLUFOR factions anymore, well ok, but on the other hand we can continue to develop it, so why not doing it on a bigger place where we can receive more help? The whole idea is if you don't want a BLUFOR faction, then why letting us continue to develop it but not allowing us to get a subforum and get the faction within PR. This is incoherent or it's me who didn't understand...

Is it because a subforum take too much place on the forum. Then I understand. I'm not a forum administrator and don't know how is it working.

But if it is just because of the BLUFOR idea, then I don't see the point. It can't hurt to have a subforum for those who are developing a faction: they are just developing. Why one faction have the right to get a subforum and not the other? Because of the BLUFOR/OPFOR whole idea, something that much literal, it's just a concept.

And one last point. Something about my Japanese faction and the Republic of China (Taiwanese) faction. You want more OPFOR faction, ok fine. But the Japanese and Taiwanese army have only 2 possible ennemies who could invade them: People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation. That's make it 2 VS 2, pretty well-balanced no?
We can not invent OPFOR factions... And I could make this statement about other factions as well.

I am not asking for a subforum anymore as if we ever get one, I would feel I get it only because I groaned. And after that, failure from the said faction will not be accepted. I want the best for PR and getting a subforum this way will not be good for PR.

I am really saddened and sorry to have to write this on the public forum.

[Snazz]

I agree with 162eRI, it doesn't really make sense to restrict them from having a sub forum if they still have a chance of being implemented into PR.

If you've got a technical limit on the max number of sub forums, you could split them up into multiple forums like 'released community mods' or 'European community mods'.

It's clear that you strongly encourage opfor factions instead and that's understandable, but to deny any future/WIP blufor factions from having forums doesn't seem fair IMO.

[jojomeirenpin]

I also agree with 162eRI,we may check the progress that ROC guys made,this is really a frustration for the enthusiasm，may be making a sub forums is really a hard-dealing problem,but I suggest we may let the leader of ROC community to join our community,so we may have a good cooperation.
It is snowing here and my fingers are frozen,so I type less words...
as snazz said,they have a chance of being implemented into PR,and it's a big one!

[[R-DEV]AfterDune]

Let me add some more words then .


BLUFOR factions are still welcome. They always were, they always will be. Just because at this moment one gets no subforum, it doesn't mean they'll never get one or they'll never get in PR. That's a very unfortunate misunderstanding. I should have worded my initial post differently.

The PR community has grown a lot over the last year or so and with that, more members think about creating a faction of their country. We're discussing how to organize our current and future (!!) community factions (not just forumwise), define the necessary requirements, level of quality, etc, etc. That, plus the fact that we look forward to seeing some more OPFOR love in PR.

So, the decision for now is to not create more subforums for BLUFOR (exceptions may be made). It's a temporary thing, to give us some "quiet" time to discuss all the things we want to discuss. It's also to prevent us from doing stuff and later on come to the conclusion we should have done things differently.

That's pretty much what I wanted to add here.

Cheers,
Dune


PS: Oh, H162eRI, you're not groaning (as I told you over PM's a couple of times already ). You're simply commenting on stuff, which is fine. And I'm glad you are.

[[R-DEV]Gaz]

Originally Posted by Snazz

I agree with 162eRI, it doesn't really make sense to restrict them from having a sub forum if they still have a chance of being implemented into PR

It does if we are to visibly strongly encourage OPFOR factions.

Originally Posted by Snazz

If you've got a technical limit on the max number of sub forums, you could split them up into multiple forums like 'released community mods' or 'European community mods'.

We have no technical limit. I can add as many as I want. Come the release of 0.9 there will be subforums being removed anyway (RUS, CAN & IDF). We have some draft criteria we are looking into, that if an unestablished BLUFOR faction came to us and met these points, we would seriously consider providing them with a subforum. Until then, it's OPFOR only. Why not break the MEC up? There's a selection of possible OPFOR factions already that would receive good exposure within PR if it met the criteria to be included (in a release build, not a design plan).

Originally Posted by Snazz

It's clear that you strongly encourage opfor factions instead and that's understandable, but to deny any future/WIP blufor factions from having forums doesn't seem fair IMO.

I'm sorry, but it's up to us to factor in comfacs into projected build timelines. There's plenty of factors involved. It may not seem fair to the community member, but in truth it's us who have the better picture of how things are expected to pan out for PR in the future in relation to comfacs. If the community modding forum isn't enough for you, there's plenty of free forum software out there and even free hosting where you can run your own forum for this sort of thing. This facility along with other criteria (in draft) would actually go some way to showing us that it is indeed a feasible option to include a new faction.

@[R-COM]162eRI - Serious question. Why are you developing 3 seperate comfacs? Should you not just concentrate on one? In terms of results, it's better to have one complete comfac than 3 in development. We may not be factoring comfacs in come post 1.0 for all we know (purely an unfounded example).....so you could be left with 3 unreleased factions.

[nozumu]

First of all. Thanks for [R-COM]162eRI and [R-DEV]jojomeirenpin support to us. Though the application was not permitted. We will follow [R-DEV]AfterDune's suggestion, keep doing.

We have been planning how to join PR community from January this year.
Taiwan faction team was initially a team developing Operation Taiwan Straight (OTS Mod). It have worked with PR dev team once (maybe don't remember).

Because of the map in v0.8 operation barracuda(under Taiwan control, but China claim they have it) inspired the notion to create a new faction. We inherited ex-team's achievements and turned to work on PR Community Factions.

PRC_Heavy_Z told us what elements should a Community Factions have at that time. Later, Anhkhoa brought the proposal. It was unexpected to me.

Till [R-COM]162eRI suggested us to apply a sub-forum recently.(he doesn't participate in developing)

162eRI and AfterDune helped us. However it is not permitted. We will follow the suggestion, keep doing, till PR no more accept new faction.

[[R-DEV]fuzzhead]

nozumu, keep up the great work your doing! I'm sure there is many looking forward to it, and I'm sure Chuc will be interested to help you guys out too once he has cleared his slate, which is completely full up I think atm

[162eRI]

Thanks for the answers!

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]AfterDune

PS: Oh, H162eRI, you're not groaning (as I told you over PM's a couple of times already ). You're simply commenting on stuff, which is fine. And I'm glad you are.

I know, sorry. It's just that when I'm writting in English I always sound boor and it's not my intention.

If I wrote all this it's because we were amazed by how fast the two new community factions get official and their own subforum... I mean, the Taiwanese faction planned to join PR since January 2009 and mine was around the forum since January 2009 as well. The point was, we didn't see many stuff made by this two factions at the time.
Don't misunderstood me, I'm really happy for them as I would love to see all the factions get to this point of having their own subforum because of the work they accomplished. We thought it was this way since for the French Forces we had to wait and show all the work we did before getting our subforum. Nonetheless, the two new factions are both doing an amazing job with all their new models etc. But you can understand our surprise at that time and the fact we couldn't have like them our own official subforum. Still, I'm glad that things are doing faster for community factions now and that we get someone for us ([R-DEV]AfterDune) who take care of everything.

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Gaz

Why not break the MEC up? There's a selection of possible OPFOR factions already that would receive good exposure within PR if it met the criteria to be included (in a release build, not a design plan).

We already thought about this one. There were several threads about that. I would love to see that and with all the vehicles and weapons we get in PR/BSS it would be easily done... if we have people willing to do it. We thought that PR was going to do it rather than developing the MEC faction even more.
I'm thinking myself about the North Korean OPFOR faction which is also (by all means) easy to make as we get mostly all the vehicles and weapons. The rough point would be the player models. Anyway, that's just an idea ^^ And since I know how hard it is to make new factions, I will just keep it an idea...

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Gaz

@[R-COM]162eRI - Serious question. Why are you developing 3 seperate comfacs? Should you not just concentrate on one? In terms of results, it's better to have one complete comfac than 3 in development. We may not be factoring comfacs in come post 1.0 for all we know (purely an unfounded example).....so you could be left with 3 unreleased factions.

I'm "developing" only 2 factions atm (the African faction was part of the French Forces and I'm only helping my Taiwanese friends, I'm not in their team). I understand what you mean about concentrating on only one faction to have at least one complete. The point is, I'm only the link of the French Forces devteam with PR devteam. I'm not developing this faction, nore I'm the devleader, but I speak well English that's why I'm here for the French Forces faction. As for the Japanese faction, I'm developing it as devleader, but myself I don't have any modeling skills except for gathering references, informations, people, modelers etc. And that's hard enough! So, I don't think there are any problems for me "developing" or should I said taking care of 2 factions.

[=(DK)=stoffen_tacticalsup]

nvm, delete my post please

[gazzthompson]

Originally Posted by =(DK)=stoffen_tacticalsup

(Assumeing the Checz forces are indeed considered OPFOR?)

umm , why? checz is member of EU and NATO and is in Afghanistan (one of there maps)