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Old 04-11-2012, 03:41 PM   #11
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Dudes relax, I don't know what 'ting tong' and the like mean but in general calling players on the NVA team Gooks and Charlie and vice versa Imperialist pigs is just echoing things one's heard on tv or read in books. It's a sort of joking and generally offers just a bit of immersion. I mean, in most rounds I've played the americans just floundered about bombing shite and playing tunes, purple haze jokes, you know, people like their immersion.

Most of these jokes that might be offensive refer to political enitities that don't exist anymore (being North as well as South Vietnam, "Evil Empire" Cold War America)

Calling random racial slurs that don't have anything to do with the Vietnam war lore is bad though, m'kay.

edit: Reading back I conclude I concur with Tarra "prv-omnipresent" huana and Smiddey.
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Old 04-11-2012, 03:42 PM   #12
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Some do it for racist reason and some for role play.
I Personally think rasist-like expression within game and within roleplay is ok because it really "spice things up", because it is realistic.
However, I do Understand when people say even that is offensive.

I also see trend in US that people are more sensitive towards racism to Black people than racism towards Asian, Latino etc, and I think this is because of politics in US. So I guess for some people there's less barrier when it comes to making racist like comment towards Asians, in this case China/Vietnam.

I see 2 different types of racist. 1 Racist because they are of different race. and 2 Racist because of a War and Politics.

On real-life note, in School I went a History teacher (or least one I learned from) taught us although US lost the war officially, we actually won the war because we killed more Vietcong than US soldiers got killed. The heavy part of that story is that there was Vietnamese exchange student in that classroom.

And as for me I believe that racist are minority and majority of people are informed, tolerant, and compassionate. Even if that is not true.
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:28 PM   #13
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On real-life note, in School I went a History teacher (or least one I learned from) taught us although US lost the war officially, we actually won the war because we killed more Vietcong than US soldiers got killed.
Oh and let me guess your from America?

Well i got news for you son, you lost the war, you didnt in anyway win it

By that logic Germany won WWII

EDIT: Also
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You can kill ten of my men for every one I kill of yours, but even at those odds, you will lose and I will win.
--Ho Chi Minh to the French, late 1940s

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Old 04-11-2012, 05:10 PM   #14
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I haven't yet played PR BF2 but am familiar with the broader issue in gaming.

I understand the arguments about casual gameplay, twisted humour, good-natured teasing, roleplay immersion, and political correctness, but I imagine a reasonable person might reasonably take offense sometimes, particularly when you think about all the international backgrounds on most servers, and when you think about people's families and long personal histories, etc. That this might discourage those players from playing anymore, would be a real loss to any community. It's just not cool.

As Oscar Wilde said, "A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally."

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Old 04-11-2012, 05:18 PM   #15
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Pyrrhic victories are stupid.

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"We won!"

"There is no one left"

"So!?! WE WON!?!"

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I was playing at 2 AM in the CIA Vietnam server. There was a CIA member as squad leader and another guy in the squad was saying "Come one you n-word plural hurry the f up". Then as we were on the NVA side, he kept shouting "Ching chong ting a long ding dong" and I was surprised squad leader didn't say anything but actually joined him. I kept quite as I just wanted to get one match in and wasn't in the mood of getting kicked out of squad to tell the to shut up and just play.
Players on my server are allowed to be as racist and as ignorant as they want, we run a free speech server, so this must be taken into a account.

However, My members are not so freely able to speak and if racist comments or anything coming out of a player's input "Disrupt's Gameplay," in any way...IN ANY WAY...we will be happy to remove that person from the server.

As for our members, if they are a little racist or a little disruptive, they get the boot. Our members are not allowed to be racist and to express their ignorance. Be sure to report an offending member at our forum @ CIAGaming.org

As for our server name and settings, if you haven't noticed already, we make our servers as sexual as possible. So going back to the Vietnam War Era, "Sucky Sucky 1 Darrah," seems appropriate.


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Old 04-11-2012, 06:08 PM   #16
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"Ching chong ding dong" is offensive because it's not even specific to the Vietnam War. It reminds me of my elementary school experience. "Gook" is a carry over from Korea. I don't know about "hajji" or "towelheads" but towelhead sounds much nastier and refers to many more people than the insurgents and Taliban.

I don't think a player can set off an IED without saying Allah ackbar. Saying "Banzai!" would definitely be racist,... wrong war and wrong enemy.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:12 PM   #17
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Oh and let me guess your from America?

Well i got news for you son, you lost the war, you didnt in anyway win it

By that logic Germany won WWII

EDIT: Also
Yea and I believe we kicked america's ass in 1812 even thought they say they won because "They killed more" But in reality WE burned down there white house WE pushed them PASTED new york in 1812 basically America fight wars that they cannot win/finish I'm surprised Korea didn't send there nukes over to america yet and we all know america is scared of Korea. Cuz number 1. No one knows about them ( Americans are banned and get shot on sight and everyone else is "Unwelcome") and 2. They would probably fight to the last man unlike the Americans.

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Old 04-11-2012, 07:24 PM   #18
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Gentlemen

stfu about who won what, you all sound like idiots; I don't care who is right at this point.

racism sucks, it detracts from the game

I don't roleplay PR, I play for the adrenaline rush, the teamwork and the unforgiving yet exciting gameplay dynamics, so I just don't understand how using words like gook etc adds to the game.


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Old 04-11-2012, 07:31 PM   #19
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Haha damn, get a grip guys, it's just people cracking jokes. If you don't like the jokes, ignore them like you would any other joke you don't funny. It's unreasonable for any adult to get upset over this shit. I laugh my ass off whenever someone imitates a paki accent while speaking English
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:47 PM   #20
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Yea and I believe we kicked america's ass in 1812 even thought they say they won because "They killed more" But in reality WE burned down there white house WE pushed them PASTED new york in 1812 basically America fight wars that they cannot win/finish I'm surprised Korea didn't send there nukes over to america yet and we all know america is scared of Korea. Cuz number 1. No one knows about them ( Americans are banned and get shot on sight and everyone else is "Unwelcome") and 2. They would probably fight to the last man unlike the Americans.
well aren't you stupid


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