MI-8, Huey, BH and lynx flight handling

[j45h89]

Right, when i play i try to pilot as much as possible, i go on training servers regularly just to up my flight time.

After doing some research, primarily on the MI-8, and after a couple of days of testing I'm sure some aspects of the flight handling of certain helicopters need to be changed.

I'd like to point out i am no RL pilot (yet )

MI-8
Firstly, this helicopter is far to jumpy on the controls for such a big helicopter. When you fly it you have no sense of its actual size, apart from its slow speed. A helicopter of this size is very heavy on the controls as you may expect
"Flying the MI-8 would feel very different from handling smaller helicopters, adding that i would need to trim every time before i moved the cyclic. Otherwise i would have a huge force on it... was it 1,500 kg" (From todays pilot magazine) Now since it would be a bit over the top to apply a trim function to the "COW", simply reducing its sensitivity overall and adding more weight to how it handles would achieve this. Also the use of the rudder pedals is a must for the MI-8 "You also needed 'bootfuls' of pedal whenever you moved the cyclic". I find it is far to easy to forget you even have a rudder function, simply a gentle bank will turn the helicopter, as any helicopter pilots will tell you, at least the ones i have spoken to, mainly military pilots, that the rudder pedals are vital in many maneuvers, even banking turns. Obviously PR is meant to be playable, but still changing the physics of this helicopter will probably benefit most people. Also at lower speed the MI-8's shake allot, i guess because the power and strain of the rotors slowing "All appeared normal until we started to slow down for landing, when suddenly the helicopter began to shake quite alarmingly" "He relayed it to the instructor, whose response was not to worry. The Hip apparently did that at relatively low speed"

Now the huey and BH, from playing Combined Arms, the handling characteristics are so much smoother and feel really nice, much better than i have to says the ones in PR. In both the Huey and BH in CA, quick stops and similar maneuvers are possible. The transition from hight power to low is very smooth, you do not "drop" out of the sky like in PR and more glide to the earth, like the effect of autorotation. In my opinion, PR should adopt the CA huey and BH flight physics.

Finally the Lynx. I think it is far to easy to loose control at high speed, especially for new pilots. Granted it is very agile( the royal navy black cats proved that at the sunderland air show). But in terms of playability i think it should be toned down a bit. Making it an all round easier helicopter to handle.

Well my rant over, let me know what you think.

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

yep, some work defintly needs to be done on the PR choppers and we will be looking at what CA has done and will most likley be integrating there work on chopper handling etc at some point providing there are no problems with it etc

PR. GL with joining the RN, make sure you train hard and dont underestimate the initial tests etc

[[R-CON]Tomato-Rifle]

I think the Helis are fine, i just dont like the bh because it turns too much when you pitch to the side.

[Rudd]

yep, some work defintly needs to be done on the PR choppers and we will be looking at what CA has done and will most likley be integrating there work on chopper handling etc at some point providing there are no problems with it etc

Optimus!

Glad to hear some it!

[j45h89]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

yep, some work defintly needs to be done on the PR choppers and we will be looking at what CA has done and will most likley be integrating there work on chopper handling etc at some point providing there are no problems with it etc

PR. GL with joining the RN, make sure you train hard and dont underestimate the initial tests etc

Great!, i really think it will help improve PR, from my point of view anyway.

Don't worry rhino, I'm already preparing and have been doing so for 6-7 months or so, I'm still yet to formally apply, although that will happen in a couple of months time.

[[R-DEV]DankE_SPB]

I find it is far to easy to forget you even have a rudder function, simply a gentle bank will turn the helicopter

as far as i know it works only on low speed, faster you go less you see its(pedals) effect, at least thats a theory i heard

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

Originally Posted by DankE_SPB

as far as i know it works only on low speed, faster you go less you see its(pedals) effect, at least thats a theory i heard

currently in PR yes but I doubt that applies to r/l. The thing is BF2's physics are screwed up to begin with and to make anything handle realistically is hard enough without really knowing how a chopper really flys in r/l

[j45h89]

Originally Posted by DankE_SPB

as far as i know it works only on low speed, faster you go less you see its(pedals) effect, at least thats a theory i heard

In a helicopter like the MI-8 from my research it looks like rudder pedals play a vital part during flight. The quote is from todays pilot magazine, the guy was flying the MI-8 for the first time and thats what he said. He is a cpl(h) license holder so has allot of flying hours.

[McBumLuv]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

yep, some work defintly needs to be done on the PR choppers and we will be looking at what CA has done and will most likley be integrating there work on chopper handling etc at some point providing there are no problems with it etc

PR. GL with joining the RN, make sure you train hard and dont underestimate the initial tests etc

While I believe only the Cobra, Apache and Huey flight mechanics are in the final stages of development, their controls feel much smoother, and it's such a pleasure to fly through Muttrah

I just wish they had rotor collision meshes on them... But I don't know if it's possible to model them so that once they've hit something the helicopter will just drop, rather than explode or something.

[j45h89]

Originally Posted by McLuv

While I believe only the Cobra, Apache and Huey flight mechanics are in the final stages of development, their controls feel much smoother, and it's such a pleasure to fly through Muttrah

I just wish they had rotor collision meshes on them... But I don't know if it's possible to model them so that once they've hit something the helicopter will just drop, rather than explode or something.

I think that the havoc is pretty good as well, its mainly the 4 i mentioned thats the problem, possibly the scout heli's too. The merlin, chinese transport thing are both great to fly, but the autorotation point i made applies to all the choppa's.