[Proposal] T-55

[sheggalism]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Nosferatu

Too bad, PoE had a nice model of it

Ukrainian surplus equipment always fit nicely within African armies ^^ Don't forget to add a East European-looking model for the pilot kit

[162eRI]

East European-looking model for the pilot kit

Indeed, we thought at first to give the OGG a mercenary pilot coming from Eastern Europe (for examples, the pilots who killed several French Soldiers in Ivory Coast where from Eastern Europe). But the African armies have also their own pilots and since the African faction is supposed to be a strong faction with some modern equipment, we feel that perhaps it was better to keep African pilots rather than mercenaries...

Back on the topic,

With any today's upgrade T-54/55 is not match for modern MBT, only hit&run tactics combined with excellent knowledge of local surroundings and using their advantages could give positive results. Also it shouldn't be goode ol' T-55, it should be at least updated T-55MV with ERA and 9K116 "Bastion" guided munitions.
We could also look through foreign upgrades of T-55, like T-55E "Ramzes II" with 105mm M68 main gun, but I think it would be interesting to see recent upgrades for Type-59 & Type-62 MBTs. Chinese guys not only building new tanks and researching ways to upgrade it, but also trying to keep aged Type-59s/Type-62s in shape. And they fit to ARF conception as faction getting help from PRC.
I would like to hear your suggestions on these models.

Yes, when I was looking through the pages of all the African armies threads and websites, I found several other tanks being used. Like the French AMX-13 and 30, the English Centurion and an other one and of course some upgrade Soviet tanks.
I think it would be great to give them more modern tanks, because first, the African faction is supposed to be a semi-conventional faction and like you said, it fits the conception of the African faction getting help from PRC or Eastern Europe. But also because the T-55 is outdated against modern MBT and because the African armies are actually upgrading their tanks and arsenal...

Thought, the Uganda is using about 20 T-55MV and about 150 T-54/55.


These upgrade tanks are just a drop in the vast ocean of the old pool of African tanks. You can check pictures, wikipedia, militaryphotos, armyrecognition, they are using mostly T-54/55 tanks...
We should keep the T-55 as the main battle tank of the African faction. If a map for tanks combats is made, then we should use the T-55MV or some Chinese upgrade tanks + T-55 tanks.

We have to keep in mind it means a new model to make. I think we just have to add childobjects on the T-55 model... Still...

[TristanYockell]

I'm all for Putting a T-55 in Game,

I had actually made this proposal before, along with adding other vintage russian armour.

They are still in such broad use around the world that it really only makes sense to include them.

They would get brutalized by modern armour, but they could still prove as a useful resource if used carefully.

100mm rifled gun would still have its way with modern APC's and even the engine compartments of new MBT's.

[rampo]

ramp0 appr0wz

[driver-ch-driver]

I would love to see the T-55 ingame-its nice to have some variety

[Hoboknighter]

A problem I see with adding this tank, is that against a Challenger 2 or an Abrams, a battle would go along the lines of this:

Abrams fires first, Shell hits T-55, T-55 goes boom. Game over.

T-55 fires first, shell hits Abrams/Challenger 2, shell does minimal damage, 20% maybe, Abrams fires back, T-55 dies. That's game over again.

Unless some dev decides to come up with a crazy idea like on fools road where the Russians for some god-forsaken reason deployed to fight militia's tanks without heavy armor, The t-55 can't be realistically fielded for more than hit and run tactics against humvees and infantry.

[BlackMagikz]

you know for $40,000 euros you can own one of them , well if you have the money that is

[STORM-Mama]

Originally Posted by Hoboknighter

A problem I see with adding this tank, is that against a Challenger 2 or an Abrams, a battle would go along the lines of this:

Abrams fires first, Shell hits T-55, T-55 goes boom. Game over.

T-55 fires first, shell hits Abrams/Challenger 2, shell does minimal damage, 20% maybe, Abrams fires back, T-55 dies. That's game over again.

Unless some dev decides to come up with a crazy idea like on fools road where the Russians for some god-forsaken reason deployed to fight militia's tanks without heavy armor, The t-55 can't be realistically fielded for more than hit and run tactics against humvees and infantry.

Because of it's age and obvious drawbacks it would proabably be used as some kind of IFV rather than a regular battle tank. It wouldn't stand a chance in a 1on1 battle against the modern MBTs that we have ingame.

[MMad]

Originally Posted by STORM-Mama

Because of it's age and obvious drawbacks it would proabably be used as some kind of IFV rather than a regular battle tank. It wouldn't stand a chance in a 1on1 battle against the modern MBTs that we have ingame.

Yeah, employed against modern armor (or even modern IFVs) it would be a deathtrap, but used against infantry or light vehicles it might be useful, though obviously vulnerable to BLUFOR AT kits. On infantry-focused maps it might work out as more of an "ace in the hole" than a game changer.

Or, one could attempt to balance it simply through greater numbers. Having 3-4 T-55 roll across the crest of a hill might be scary even for an Abrams.

[162eRI]

The point is France doesn't use tanks in African peacekeeping operations but rather wheeled armoured vehicles. And not only France, but other peacekeepers as well. So, even with wheeled armoured vehicles or modern anti-tank weapons, those tanks have to be feared!!! They are used like IFV by the African faction...
Nonetheless, if a modern faction really want to get ride of all the ennemy tanks, it's quite easy for us...