[Faction] Guinean Gulf Organisation Forces

[162eRI]

Well, like you say, we are still in the early development stages for this faction!
When I said the OGG was like the MEC, it was, and you can read it on the quote, because it was a non existent faction made of different forces all around Western African countries.
Because we can't and don't have the time to say which country is the OGG, we prefered to make an unrealistic faction made of different fictional states like the MEC is in BF (who can say me which states are in the MEC faction?)

See thats understandable, Though I admit I've found one or two West African countries that use the weapon. Honestly I've seen less of the G3 then the FN Fal. Sierra Leone it appears definitely uses the FN Fal. If you could supply what countries exactly are planned for the GGO then it would eliminate a lot of the confusion.
I am also aware the Nigerian forces use the FN Fal which is a part of West Africa. I don't fully comprehend what this faction is from what you planned. Initially you stated it would be a conventional force if there equipment was a bit dated, however from how you stated your last comment that suddenly they won't be using optics and that a weapon that is in use in the area isn't in use.

Yes, last week I've checked which country is unsing the Fal and the G3. That's why it's hard to take a decision.
To answer you, the OGG is an coalition army who takes place around the Gulf of Guinea (Western Central Africa). To be more precise, it's borders could be Congo to Nigeria and Centr. Afr. Rep.
I put G3 because it was looking modern and it's prefered my many different African countries. The FAL is not outdated, but less and less countries use it. Thought, it's not up to me and we can switch the G3 for the Fal. But the G3 is already made when the Fal is just a WIP.

I understand this is still in the development stages and thats why I am trying to give you decent backed up information, however you've shifted from the beginning plan to a more insurgent based force.
I don't mean to sound rude but it sounds like your not really looking into the current situation. Which is actually really understandable as you've done an amazing job and are still working on the French forces themselves and I don't expect superheros out of you guys.

Well, my bad, as getting this faction is quiet hard because it's an unrealistic faction.
Also, you did the job and give a really decent backed up informations! That's why I posted all of this to see you reactions, if I make something wrong or not realistic and what you think.
Thank you

the way you presented it in your original post suggests its a coalition of armies even if using dated equipment they are still organized into an actual conventional force.

Well, yes it is! It's just you have to see it like an African conventional army. It's different from our Occidental conventional armies!!!
No scopes and poor equipment don't mean you can't be organize and can't be a conventional force! And it don't mean you can't kill ennemies...
But like I said, we can put Chinese scope kits on the ground to pick up. Because we forget that PR is WW3 and we all know that China already started to send more and more equipment to Africa. So what could happen if it was really a new world war?!

Thank you for your help!
I started to get an headache reading and looking at hundreds of pictures LOL (yes, there is a huge thread on Military Photos about the African armies) and don't know what to do anymore. One day I'm sure it will be like this, the second day I find something different LOL and so on...

[{UK}Suzeran]

i want this faction badder than any other we need to get PR into africa

[Anhkhoa]

Originally Posted by [R-CON]162eRI

Yes, last week I've checked which country is unsing the Fal and the G3. That's why it's hard to take a decision.
To answer you, the OGG is an coalition army who takes place around the Gulf of Guinea (Western Central Africa). To be more precise, it's borders could be Congo to Nigeria and Centr. Afr. Rep.
I put G3 because it was looking modern and it's prefered my many different African countries. The FAL is not outdated, but less and less countries use it. Thought, it's not up to me and we can switch the G3 for the Fal. But the G3 is already made when the Fal is just a WIP.

FAL ftw. "More Modern" That means its more expensive. And if you truly support what you will say in the post about poor equipment, you will pick the FN Fal. So FN FAL NAOW OR I KILL YOU =D
Now watch Tirak give me an infraction...

Well, my bad, as getting this faction is quiet hard because it's an unrealistic faction.
Also, you did the job and give a really decent backed up informations! That's why I posted all of this to see you reactions, if I make something wrong or not realistic and what you think.
Thank you

The MEC are unrealistic yet they are still in PR. Whose to say that South Africa and France didn't teamed up to eliminate the threat supported by China in WW3 and under such threat North/West Africa made a coalition

Well, yes it is! It's just you have to see it like an African conventional army. It's different from our Occidental conventional armies!!!
No scopes and poor equipment don't mean you can't be organize and can't be a conventional force! And it don't mean you can't kill ennemies...
But like I said, we can put Chinese scope kits on the ground to pick up. Because we forget that PR is WW3 and we all know that China already started to send more and more equipment to Africa. So what could happen if it was really a new world war?!

Poor but supported by China. If they were that worthless China wouldn't be helping them in the 1'st place. They would concentrate on there own war machine to combat the US and GB. And why can't we just say, for the fun of it and in the long run, the GGOF formed a command structure much like the USSR except better thought out.

Thank you for your help!
I started to get an headache reading and looking at hundreds of pictures LOL (yes, there is a huge thread on Military Photos about the African armies) and don't know what to do anymore. One day I'm sure it will be like this, the second day I find something different LOL and so on...
Thank You =D

Too sum it up...
FN Fal > G3 Both economicly and fun factor
The GGOF shouldn't SO poor as China is helping them.

[[R-DEV]Hauteclocque]

Originally Posted by Anhkhoa

I was bored so I drew this up for you guys.
Guinean Gulf Organisation Forces Design Plan

Go back to this topic :
First, thanks you very much for your work Anhkhoa.
Unfortunately, I have already made a design plan for the faction, but your work on the geometries from EoD will be very useful.
Some changes from your spreadsheet :
-Using the Rebel geometries for the pilot : African countries often hire mercenaries from Eastern Europe. These were Bulgarian pilots who killed French soldiers in Ivory Coast with Mi-24 Hind.
-Replacing GLTD (what you call green binoculars) by standard binoculars, I don't think that they could have such a modern equipment even if they are supported by China.

NB : Never forget that we are really busy with French Forces and making the GGOF doesn't mean for us to spend too much time.

In a first time, we will pick the weapons already done in PR, then maybe we could make our own models.
So, I don't think that chosing the FN MAG is a good idea, unless ADF Forces plan to make it, but according to their desgn plan, they will use MINIMI as LMG. I think we'd better take the PKM or the RPK 74.
It's the same case with the PSG1 which is not used in Western Africa and also for the Springfield. I know that these countries use old weapons but not the Springfield.

Here is the design plan I've made, it needs some fixes :
OGG Forces Design Plan

[single.shot (nor)]

The Type 56, is the v0.8 AK... ie impossible to hit with (due to lame vBF2-made sights, not shooting in general) and is Chinese... i suggest changing it to the G3... or the PR AKM w/o the bayonette or converted into AK-47 (other reciever) or the FAL / FAL para
you are going to give the a SUIT sight, or if not, what?

to represent Chinese support, u can have the Chinese Hand Grenade, instead of the WW2 one.


The Medic can have a Folding-stock FAL....


i made a spreadsheet

[Anhkhoa]

Your the boss..
Its your mod, you can use that if you want.
I just want FALs so bad.

[[R-DEV]Hauteclocque]

We are the bosses but we can't be not realistic *seeing the mod title*
Don't worry we will use the FAL, but we need an answer from exec_4_ever who has already done this model and also the Colt pistol.

[single.shot (nor)]

haute, do you think a FAL para model would suit the style of the OGG? if so, as EXEC to make one, as the only difference is a folding stock and shorter muzzle, you can use it for carbine-demanding classes such as engineer, H-AT or crewmen

[[R-DEV]Hauteclocque]

I think it's a good alternative. But I still think the crewman must have a shorter gun like MP5 or even uzi.

[single.shot (nor)]

a crewman should perhaps get a Colt 1911, for variety (also its an awesomely cool gun)