[Faction] Guinean Gulf Organisation Forces

[162eRI]

For Light Machine Gun, Ivory Coast Army uses Neguev (hum, I have seen one in a other faction few hours ago...)
For the grenade, Mk II by Bao...(unless PR has already it...)

Indeed, but I don't think they are using exactly the same than the Israeli faction. Older one perhaps. And I guess, African countries are more using PKM or things like that?!

For the grenade, we have to take the Russian F-1 (?) from PR. Mk II may be still used in some areas, but it's a WW2 grenade... Much too old.

They have also BTR60, and BRDM2 which are already done in PR...

Yep, thanks for the names, I was looking for them. They are the one I was thinking of in the first page.

Anyway, we will need at least 2 or 3 new models:
The recoilless rifle (static weapon or for the jeep)
The AML-90 (we can't take the ERC90 as we will use it for the French faction)
The VLRA 4x4 (low priority)

We will need to retexture the:
Pick Up
BTR60
BRDM2
Land Rover Defender
T-62
American Truck
etc.

[Cheesygoodness]

The only comment / assistance / question I can add is for the FN Fal / AK47 usages.

The officer and scoped rifleman kit will be using either the FN Fal or the AK-47 with an optic system yes? The AK-47 could possibly use the PSO system. Its a 4x system.

Romanian PSO Sniper Scope - Scope for AK-47 style rifle from Romania

Unfortunately that seems to only fit Romanian AK-47s rather then Russian AK-47s.

(Image of a Tabuk Rifle in Iraq.)
Iraqi Militia with Tabuk Rifle- Suite101.com Images

Again I can't find what style of AKs it would fit or if it would only fit the Tabuk Iraqi built rifle. Nor can I find much information on the scope style. I believe it to is a PSO-1 or a similar style one however which means its identical to the Dragunov.

(Images of the scope.)
The Guns Network LLC ~ Discussion Forums - WTK Value of Tabuk Sniper Rifle Scope?

However if you'd prefer to use the FN Fal. It begs the question of an iron sights style one. I can't find much information on the FN Fal in use by any North African countries at all. Only South African ones. However if its included I could see a kit such as the Rifleman Specialist using the FN Fal with standard sights. If exec_4ever has created the model without optics of course. It hardly seems right that a country would use a completely different rifle purely for its use of optics. I think it would be a fitting idea.

But thats all I have to add on the topic.

[STORM-Mama]

Originally Posted by [R-CON]162eRI

For the grenade, we have to take the Russian F-1 (?) from PR. Mk II may be still used in some areas, but it's a WW2 grenade... Much too old.

The F1 is also a WW2 grenade

[162eRI]

The F1 is also a WW2 grenade

Yeah, I know. Even more old, it's a WW1 grenade made in part from the French grenade 'Citron" (Lemon) if I'm not mistasken.
But the point is (i don't know which one is used in PR, I guess it's the F-1) it's an update version. I think it's still product today? The MkII doesn't exist anymore (and this kind of Grenade isn't forbidden?)

[[R-COM]Glimmerman]

Perhaps call it West African Coalition?

[[R-COM]Hauteclocque]

Originally Posted by Cheesygoodness

The only comment / assistance / question I can add is for the FN Fal / AK47 usages.

The officer and scoped rifleman kit will be using either the FN Fal or the AK-47 with an optic system yes? The AK-47 could possibly use the PSO system. Its a 4x system.

Romanian PSO Sniper Scope - Scope for AK-47 style rifle from Romania

Unfortunately that seems to only fit Romanian AK-47s rather then Russian AK-47s.

(Image of a Tabuk Rifle in Iraq.)
Iraqi Militia with Tabuk Rifle- Suite101.com Images

Again I can't find what style of AKs it would fit or if it would only fit the Tabuk Iraqi built rifle. Nor can I find much information on the scope style. I believe it to is a PSO-1 or a similar style one however which means its identical to the Dragunov.

(Images of the scope.)
The Guns Network LLC ~ Discussion Forums - WTK Value of Tabuk Sniper Rifle Scope?

However if you'd prefer to use the FN Fal. It begs the question of an iron sights style one. I can't find much information on the FN Fal in use by any North African countries at all. Only South African ones. However if its included I could see a kit such as the Rifleman Specialist using the FN Fal with standard sights. If exec_4ever has created the model without optics of course. It hardly seems right that a country would use a completely different rifle purely for its use of optics. I think it would be a fitting idea.

But thats all I have to add on the topic.

Thanks for this very long comment on this topic

For the moment, we want to give the FAL only to the officer and the rifleman scope...
Why not giving it to the rifleman specialist ? Will we do a rifleman specialist kit ?

Hum, I think this kit and also HAT and AA kits are not very fitted to this kind of army...Do you consider specialized soldier who only use this kind of weapon ? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.

For the other classes, we want to give mostly AK-47 or equivalent.

I think that in this kind of countries, weapons are from all origins, I mean that there is no standard rifle which is only used in an African army. So I think we wan mix the use of FAL and AK-47.

For the choice of AK-47 type : apparently West African countries use mainly Made in China AK-47, the 56 Type (I think they are those which are used by China in Bf2).

PS : What do you mean by North African countries ?

[Guybrush]

Haven't you thought about giving a few G3s to the rebels ?

[[R-COM]Hauteclocque]

Hum, a bit boring, isn't it ? Mec has it as main rifle, Norvegian will have it (up to date)...
But it's right that this weapon is used in Ivory Coast and according to Wikipedia Ghana has 12000 G3...It fits with our operation theater...
I think that the choice will be hard...

[162eRI]

Perhaps call it West African Coalition?

I don't know. We can change the name after if its not feet.

But, for now, I know there is two African Union called the Pan-African Organization also known as Organisation of African Unity (OAU) and a second one the Africa People's Organisation.

And because mostly of the Gulf of Guinea countries are old French colonies, the name of this coalition will come out first in French. Something like Organisation du Golfe de Guinee.
In English, the translation can be:
-Guinean Gulf Organisation.
-Gulf of Guinea Organisation.
-Organisation of the Gulf of Guinea.
-Organisation of the Guinean Gulf.
(or OrganiZation spelling)

That's why I love English Hahahaha. I think the first or second one are the most correct?!

[Cheesygoodness]

Originally Posted by Hauteclocque

I think that in this kind of countries, weapons are from all origins, I mean that there is no standard rifle which is only used in an African army. So I think we wan mix the use of FAL and AK-47.

For the choice of AK-47 type : apparently West African countries use mainly Made in China AK-47, the 56 Type (I think they are those which are used by China in Bf2).

PS : What do you mean by North African countries ?

I split the country between North and South. I was speaking basically any country north of the Congo as I assumed that wouldn't be a bad way to look into what countries being considered.

Basically my ideas were. If a scoped AK-47 was wanted then those are possible scopes that could be used or to show its actually possible to mount one on the gun.

If the FN Fal was used then why would they only issue the FN Fal with optics to there people? You'd assume some standard iron sights models would be placed in there hands, thus I wondered if the FN Fal without optics would fit into the rifleman specialist class. That way you have that feel of you spoke of. 'The mix of weapons' if it was more then just an optics kit you see?

As for the having the rifleman specialist I was going off the previously stated.

Originally Posted by [R-CON]162eRI

Rifleman > Chinese or Russian AK

Combat Medic > Chinese or Russian AK

Rifleman Specialist > Chinese or Russian AKs

Combat Engineer > AKs or Russian/Chinese SKS

Rifleman L-AT > AKs and Russian RPG

Where it was said it seemed the Rifleman Specialist is at least partly planned. To help with the mixed weapon feeling perhaps an iron sights G3 or an iron sights FN Fal (If exec_4ever modeled one.) would assist in giving off that atmosphere.