[Proposal] New Middle Eastern Armies

[M_Striker]

+1 I think MEC needs to go. If the devs truly want to get rid of EA product in PR, then they'd get rid of MEC and replace it with these other ideas. Most of the work is already done and I think it would be a lot more unique.

[Terror_Terror_Terror]

Originally Posted by Tirak

So 1 in 3 US soldiers is black, everyone speaks with a midwestern accent and everybody looks the same?

As a matter of fact 1 in 3 US soldiers are non white, black or Hispanic. And why can't we add some new U.S. voices it would be good.

Originally Posted by Tirak

Stranger things have happend. Italy was an ally of the Allies during WWI and an Enemy in WWII

If you know the historical context it's not that strange. Saudi Arabia own a fifth of the U.S. economy, they buy all their arms from the U.S. and the Saudi royal family are best friends with many powerful people in the U.S. they ain't gonna go to war any time soon.

[Tannhauser]

Originally Posted by aperson444

A Saudi Arabia faction might be good too, since they are increasingly more friendly with the West.

The prince maybe, not the saudis.
Did you forget? Saudis crashed into the twins, not iraqis or iranians.
It's over likely that if a war errupted over there, there would be an uprising and the royalty would be quickly overthrow. It hasn't been yet, because it's a good protection for radicals that use SArabia as a base and they keep it like that until they're forced into a war.

As for Egypt supplying Hamas ; the border is bocked and any transfer of weapons is illegal, hence not Egypt being pointed at for illegal weapons trafic with them because it's not under their direct control. Egyptian forces of order do try to uncover those trafics and stop them, Israel has no reason to attack a cooperative ally like Egypt.
And even if Israel did, I swear, they'd have everyone in NATO pissed off with them attacking an ally for no reason. Believe me.

Finally, bout' MEC.
I think an interesting addition would be Pakistan vs India, they are very hostile to each other and would spice up PR a lot IMO. Otherwise, those you listed were pretty much what I had in mind, maybe Egypt vs Insurgents too, would be cool...
I'll try to list assets for ME armies later when I get time, it's a good project, i'll try to help as much as I can. Try to put up a design plan for each armies and to see what needs to be modeled and what doesn't.

[Nighthawk]

An Egyptian or Saudi faction would be interesting, the problem of having them as OPFOR is that they use western military equipment. Abrams tanks, F-16s or Apaches fighting against each other would be confusing, and may not be entirely realistic with the current political situation.
Iran uses old US military equipment like the F-14A and Cobra. The USMC uses the Cobra, but I don't think there would be a problem with that, as long as they aren't fighting the USMC on any maps.
Pakistan vs. India would be interesting to see, but I'm not sure if it fits in with this current proposal of replacing the MEC.

[Sgt.Sheep]

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

[R-CON]Wyspa

If you like G3s so much why don't you give them to the Polish forces?

I do not remember the Polish Forces using G3s at all.

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

Look objectively at the implications of such of such a concept: All Arabs speak the same, all Arabs look the same, all Arabs are the enemy of the US. Stereotyping to such a scale is dangerous, deconstructive and anti intelligence and is just not as interesting as reality.

I see the danger of stereotyping - I was trying to make that clear in my previous post - but you can't get around a certain degree of stereotyping in a video game due to technical limitations.
If you can implement 32 different models and voices, go ahead. But I doubt you will be able to accomplish that.

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

Because we're not talking about 60 or more years in the future.

In fact 'these countries' have been allies for a long time now.

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

Vietnam proved that you don't need a state of the art army to counter a state of the art army.

That was because it was a guerilla war. Don't compare apples with oranges.

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

Then why bother with the German faction or any of the other community factions, surely they're a waste of time when you could just play as US? Answer: because PR is not all about a realistic and teamplay focused game it's about more than that.

You mean about using the cool hardware that is used by these factions?
Seriously though, the main reasons why community factions exist is because there are some guys who want to play as this specific faction.

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

This is supposed to be Project Reality not Project Make Believe, the sooner this cowboys and Arabs fantasy stops the better.

People take the name "Reality" too serious. It was stated many times before that this is a freaking GAME, not a politics simulation.

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

Saudi Arabia own a fifth of the U.S. economy, they buy all their arms from the U.S. and the Saudi royal family are best friends with many powerful people in the U.S. they ain't gonna go to war any time soon.

If I remember correctly, Saddam and Bin Laden were also befriended with the Americans at some point, weren't they?


My point stays. There is no need for a new faction or a "rename" of the MEC.

[Tannhauser]

Just found out that the Oman army uses Steyr AUG, OMFG wow nice stuff!

Wouldn't that be badass, playing as the RAO on Muttrah with Steyr AUGs vs M16s? Amazing hehe.
Ain't hard to make if the AUG is being made by the Australians. The rest of their weaponry is basically variations of the Steyr AUG, the Javelin, the British SAW and TOWs. No info on their sniper/DM rifles yet.

And they have some Saxons lol. Challenger 2s and M60A3s (upgraded Pattons) for their tanks and VBL/LAVs for APCs. The RAO and some lots of other ME armies are using Cadillac Cage Commando, similar to the BRDM and pretty cool IMO. They use a lot of british equipment.

Royal Army of Oman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[[R-DEV]Deadfast]

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

If you like G3s so much why don't you give them to the Polish forces? And while you're at it you might as well just use the Russian voices for your faction since all Slavic languages are pretty much the same no? Nie ma huja w shi (man I can't spell in Polish)

First you write this, and then this:

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

Maybe that's because you're from Germany and not Iran. Look objectively at the implications of such of such a concept: All Arabs speak the same, all Arabs look the same, all Arabs are the enemy of the US. Stereotyping to such a scale is dangerous, deconstructive and anti intelligence and is just not as interesting as reality.

You really couldn't be more hypocritical than this.


First of all, Polish army has never even gotten close to a G3.

And for second, Slavic languages are similar, but in no way the same.

"To co jsi napsal je dost velká blbost, stejné platí o celém tomto nápadu."
- right, Czech is Slavic language as well, but I bet my ass the only ones actually able to understand it are Czechs and Slovaks. Other Slavic nations might get a part of it, but that's about it.

But since you're the one speaking about generalization I am sure you realize this.





@MEC being replaced by *whatever*:
No.

[Terror_Terror_Terror]

Originally Posted by Sgt.Sheep

I see the danger of stereotyping - I was trying to make that clear in my previous post - but you can't get around a certain degree of stereotyping in a video game due to technical limitations.
If you can implement 32 different models and voices, go ahead. But I doubt you will be able to accomplish that.

You don't have to make 32 different models and voices to move away from stereotyping.

Originally Posted by Sgt.Sheep

In fact 'these countries' have been allies for a long time now.

Germany has only existed as an ally of the west since 1990.

Originally Posted by Sgt.Sheep

Don't compare apples with oranges.

Why not they are both fruit, one is orange the other is green. War, as are many things, is not simple, clean cut or straight forward. Has the US won the war in Iraq?

Originally Posted by Sgt.Sheep

You mean about using the cool hardware that is used by these factions?
Seriously though, the main reasons why community factions exist is because there are some guys who want to play as this specific faction.

No man I mean PR is not all about a realistic and team play focused game it's also about national identity, community, cooperation not just in game but outside as well.

Originally Posted by Sgt.Sheep

People take the name "Reality" too serious. It was stated many times before that this is a freaking GAME, not a politics simulation.

So why don't we have US vs GB? Could it be because it's unrealistic? Why does realism apply to the West but not the East?

Originally Posted by Sgt.Sheep

If I remember correctly, Saddam and Bin Laden were also befriended with the Americans at some point, weren't they?

No they were owned by the US where as the House of Sa'ud own part of the US.

Deadfast

Man you missed my point entirely. Of course all Slavic languages are not the same, I can speak a little of Polish, Serbian and Czech, I know they are not the same. My point is neither are all Arabic dialects the same and how many armies in the middle east use G3s?

[[R-DEV]Deadfast]

Originally Posted by Terror_Terror_Terror

My point is neither are all Arabic dialects the same and how many armies in the middle east use G3s?

And that's why there's MEC. The fictional coalition of whatever nations.

Is it realistic? Not really.

Is it completely unrealistic? Not really.

Does it matter? Not to me.

Is it against the principles of PR? Not at all - PR is about realistically portraying the conflicts, not what's behind them.

[Terror_Terror_Terror]

Originally Posted by Deadfast

And that's why there's MEC. The fictional coalition of whatever nations.

Is it realistic? Not really.

Is it completely unrealistic? Not really.

Does it matter? Not to me.

Is it against the principles of PR? Not at all - PR is about realistically portraying the conflicts, not what's behind them.

What do you mean "And that's why there's MEC"?

And it should matter to you if it matters so much that Slavs are not stereotyped you should stand up for Arabs too otherwise the principle is pointless.