[Vehicle] Ka-50

[Jonny]

The same reason you removed the saxon from all UK maps. Its not gonna be used much, so it would be unrealistic.

[GeZe]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

Providing its poly limit gets below 10k, something like 6 to 8k polys I see no reason why this can't be used on some asymmetrical maps?

As I said...

However, if we do get a more special forces type map, it is a possibility.

But it is definitely not "confirmed to go in for the russians" as HughJass put it.

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

Originally Posted by Jonny

The same reason you removed the saxon from all UK maps. Its not gonna be used much, so it would be unrealistic.

no you see there is a big difference here with the Saxon and the Ka-50.

The Saxon is not used at all now, it is 100% out of service, hence why no PR maps have it, in fact its probably an idea we remove it from the files.

The Ka-50 how ever is still in service just in small numbers as is the Mi-28.

I wouldn't call a map to use it a "SF map" as there is really no such thing apart from "BF2 SF" if you really class it as that but ehhh you would have to rework PR's entire game play dynamics to really have proper "SF" missions...

Just have a map like Qwai river which is asymmetrically balanced, with tanks for the PLA and TOW hummers and choppers for the USMC. You could have a map with say Militia vs Russia and give the Russia a Ka-50 or 2? Since the militia wont have a chopper and the map is asymmetrically balanced, as it has to be since the factions are, I see no problem?

[DeltaFart]

Id say make another game mode if possible for SO maps.
Remove the bunker and the firebase and replace with like a FOB that is like a FB just has more stuff with it.
IDk I'll have to think about it through out the day and read the wiki or print it out to look at changeable things

[GeZe]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

no you see there is a big difference here with the Saxon and the Ka-50.

The Saxon is not used at all now, it is 100% out of service, hence why no PR maps have it, in fact its probably an idea we remove it from the files.

The Ka-50 how ever is still in service just in small numbers as is the Mi-28.

I wouldn't call a map to use it a "SF map" as there is really no such thing apart from "BF2 SF" if you really class it as that but ehhh you would have to rework PR's entire game play dynamics to really have proper "SF" missions...

Just have a map like Qwai river which is asymmetrically balanced, with tanks for the PLA and TOW hummers and choppers for the USMC. You could have a map with say Militia vs Russia and give the Russia a Ka-50 or 2? Since the militia wont have a chopper and the map is asymmetrically balanced, as it has to be since the factions are, I see no problem?

Well, I meant SF type maps... for instance Dawn has a SF feel to it, parachuting out of an airplane and all. (but the map would obviously not fit with having a Ka-50) Also, I probably didn't use the proper term... what I should have said is the on Russia v. Militia maps, yes, it's a possibility, on Russian v. Conventional Army, no. From what I understand the Ka-50 was used by Special Forces during the Chechen wars, so that is where my criteria are coming from. Russia SF don't look different from regular troops, so any militia map could be Ru SF v. Militia... the gameplay would not be any different.

So, basically, if a Militia v. Russia map is made on which a attack helicopter is needed for the Russian side, then using the Ka-50 is definitely an option. In all other situations, the Russians will use the Mi-28.

[Jonny]

Well I thought, from Geze's posts, that the Ka50 was being 'phased out' or something like that, ie retired from service.

Kind of like the saxon, but happening as we type instead of before.

Although I do see how limited numbers could be good, ie one or two on a map with no respawn at all, since there are still a few around.

But it is quite similar to giving the UK saxons in that both vehicles are being taken out of service and so seeing them on the battle field would be a very rare event.

[[R-DEV]Masaq]

Ka-50 isn't being taken out of service; it's just not being produced any more. Big difference.

Saxon has been completely withdrawn from frontline service and from what I hear from a mate in a local territorial unit, they're trying to get rid of them from the TA, too.

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

Originally Posted by [R-MOD]Masaq

Ka-50 isn't being taken out of service; it's just not being produced any more. Big difference.

Saxon has been completely withdrawn from frontline service and from what I hear from a mate in a local territorial unit, they're trying to get rid of them from the TA, too.

I do wonder sometimes what is the magic number of how many times do things need to be repeated in forum posts before people understand?

[[R-DEV]Masaq]

I think it's three times, each from three different people.

Which would make 9 the magic number? Kinda tiring at times isn't it...

[Jonny]

From one of Geze's posts:

The IISS "The Military Balance" (2006 edition) states:

Which sounds to me like they are being removed from service. The 'production has been frozen' part seems, to me, like evidence used to back up that implication insead of being used as the main point.

And yes, the saxon I used for comparison is much further along the way to being totally removed from, well, everything, but I stand by my interpretation of the posts I have stumbled accross without really looking for anything in particular.