[Kits] Russian federation

[[R-DEV]Nosferatu]

Most of S.Ossetia pics with Russian soldiers in modern outfits are portraying VDV soldiers (paratroopers), but in PR we have mix of motor-riflemen and mountain brigades with special guests from specnaz.

VDV could be stand alone faction because of their special weapons and assets, but we already have more than enough factions on the plate.

[eenis]

My bad i did not know that lone wolf spetznats joined with regular motor infantry. Still seems very strange to have single Spec Forces guys attached to a standard infantry company but im not the one making it!

Oh and i never suggested making a new faction. i was saying get rid of the the spetsnatz guy and just replace him with what you already got, simple i presume. Just stick a bandana on the rifleman kit and viola!

[[R-DEV]Nosferatu]

It's not like lonewolfing) One of army specnaz's tasks in different types of reconaissance for ground troops.

[eenis]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Nosferatu

It's not like lonewolfing) One of army specnaz's tasks in different types of reconaissance for ground troops.

Kind of like the U.S. Rangers, but you never see a single ranger attached to a squad of infantry. You see a company of rangers etc. Its hard for me to see a single spetsnatz attached to a squad. I would assume with my basic knowledge of military structure is that spetsnatz work together in teams of spetsnatz and report their intel to the higher ups who then pass it to the infantry. Not have a single spestnatz per squad. I cant think of any nation that splits up its special forces to attach them to infantry, seems counter intuitive to their mission as a light, mobile intel gathering force. But what do i know, im not russian

[Katarn]

Then again, snipers aren't supposed to be part of infantry squads, but in their own 2-man squad.

[eenis]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Katarn

Then again, snipers aren't supposed to be part of infantry squads, but in their own 2-man squad.

True thats why i boot em from my squad Great avatar by the way!

[arjan]

Still i dont think most conventional forces fight with those big backpacks on their back.
Atleast thats what ive been told. becouse it makes them less flexible and heavy.

[[R-DEV]DankE_SPB]

Originally Posted by arjan

Still i dont think most conventional forces fight with those big backpacks on their back.

this heavily depends on situation imo, i.e. if you're somewhere far from your base you will have to carry huge backpack

Great avatar by the way!

iirc there is a dedicated thread for it

[deemoowoor]

Originally Posted by eenis

My bad i did not know that lone wolf spetznats joined with regular motor infantry. Still seems very strange to have single Spec Forces guys attached to a standard infantry company...

You're right, IRL, Spetsnaz in the Armed Forces of Russian Federation are the elite units of GRU (the Main Intelligence Directorate) and thus are very much distinct from the rest of the Ground Forces and usually form part of a larger structure (an army or a military district) as a brigade. Their role has a more strategical role, than that of common ground force's reconnaissance units, that are part of the motorized rifle brigades.

Long story short, there really is no reason for a single Spetsnaz operator in a squad. A Spetsnaz squad may and may not contain all those specialists you would expect to see in a normal military squad: a squad leader, an automatic rifleman, a medic, an AT etc. etc. depending on a situation. Anyway, Spetnaz/Special Forces is just a role to do same tasks that all other militaries do, but in special circumstances and in special ways, like, for example, behind the enemy lines or far away from supporting forces, using silenced weaponry and different evasion techniques, or using Commando tactics to shock the opposing force and lower their morale.

Anyway, it's not something that makes much sense in PR or any similar game, unless a certain mission is designed as a standoff between a Special Forces unit and some other military on the opposing side. You may have an SF squad, that would go far away from the main action to disrupt enemy supply lines etc., but that is probably it. In PR this can all be done by using the same SL, medic, AR and G and Engineer kits, though.

It's not the kits that make you a Special Forces unit, it's your actions.

[eenis]

Good post and i think it outlines how the Special forces kit/model should be changed, theres my two cents, invest em!