[HUD] Limited kits on spawn menu

[Alpha6One]

Nice Change. Lets see how this unfolds in the community.

[Squeezee]

Sounds awesome, I especially like the SAW optics.

[jbgeezer]

Nice-o-nice

[GrimSoldier]

I like the limited auto riflemen but i don't really know about the 1 medic. Although yes its realist i still like having 2 medics in squads on some maps. But overall its still nice to see.

[joethepro36]

It's nice to finally see the auto riflemen being a spawn kit again. With the kit limitation and the .85's abundance of scopes it should work out pretty well and not go back to the support spam glory days
Now more than ever people will actually pick up the damn kit! It's so horribly underused because people don't seem to use it properly, making it seem weak and cumbersome when ironically if used properly it is one of the most powerful infantry kits.

The medic change is very interesting, something that will stop a 1/3 of a squad unrealistically being medics, which although in gameplay terms works out rather well, doesn't translate well to realism/proper tactics. Combined with the 60 second death timer after reviving, it should work extremely well, making medics more careful and professional than ever.

My only criticism of the changes is that the marksman and grenadier kits are both not spawn limited kits. These are standard fare kits in an infantry squad and hardly create any problems with balance or gameyness. A grenadier kit can be pretty good, but an autorifleman kit is much better imo. I would personally leave the spawn limited kits there however, as the ability to spawn rifle at on a rally is pretty bad. (cue good/bad memories of muttrah 1).

[barbdwyer22]

I only read up to page 26 but I really do not want to read all the way up for page 35 or whatever, so, I will add my 2 cents.

As many of people have said here, there are things that are definitely given up for gameplay/BF2 engine limitations and whatnot.

People talk about realism and have their beefs with what the developers are trying to do, but it is all a step in the right direction.

I will give you something to think about when you look at these changes. A real infantry squad consists of 13 members. 3 fires teams of 4 with 1 squad leader, each fireteam has a M249SAW and a M203 grenade launcher. The SQDL will sometimes carry a M203 on his M16/M4. Typically, you are suppose to go out with 1 Corpsman per squad but often times you are only afforded two Corpsman for a platoon (3 squads per platoon.) Also, you usually have multiple AT4s (called a LAT in PR) that the rifleman carry

Also, like someone else mentioned, medic kits should be able to be picked up because ALL MARINES are taught basic field medicine in boot camp. We also have something called Combat Life Savers which are Marines taught by Corpsman to be assistant Corpsman and carry a thigh rig with extra medical supplies. I am a CLS Marine and I know thing like administering IVs, treating hemorraging, etc.

[barbdwyer22]

I mean, you can go on and on about stuff like this. With the way warfare is these days, there are always things that are changing to the basic load outs of infantry squads and whatnot.

I mean, from what I said in the above post, would that not mean grenadier and LATs should be spawnable kits too?

Where is the DM kit? They have a marksman kit but that is actually a rifle that snipers use. A standard Marine infantry squad have a guy called a DM (designated marksman) which all that consists of is a M16 with a harris bipod and a scope/universal night sight (UNS).

[Antonious_Bloc]

The marksmen kit uses a modified M14. According to wikipedia and the various media that I have seen, that's the USMC's official designated marksman rifle.They use both the M14 and the modified M16s though, as confirmed by the USMC's recruiting website.

[Antonious_Bloc]

I can't figure out how to edit that post, but apparently the M16 version is also officially called the "advanced marksmen rifle" and has the same role.

[barbdwyer22]

I know, I am in the Marine Infantry, I am just saying we never had a modified M14 in our squads, we had a guy who was elected "DM" and was given some bipods and a scope with UNS. I did see snipers with the M14s though.