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Old 05-19-2017, 06:02 AM   #11
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Default Re: French AT Riflegrenade disporportionate damage

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Will it be changed if someone re do zeroing?
Probably would end up having both, a normal and a CS version as I dont know what the British and French use. But ye, if you want to redo animations and physics etc, feel free.


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Old 05-19-2017, 06:24 AM   #12
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Probably would end up having both, a normal and a CS version as I dont know what the British and French use. But ye, if you want to redo animations and physics etc, feel free.
France orders additional AT4 CS anti-armor weapons | AWIN content from Aviation Week
http://saab.com/about-saab/sites/eur...on-for-france/
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The Roquette NG range provides anti-tank capabilities through a weapon tentatively designated AT4 CS ER HP, anti-structure and breach capabilities through Saab’s AT4 CS AST weapon, and anti-personnel capabilities through the AT4 CS HE weapon. The weapons utilizes the same trainer and logistic support.
British Military Weapons - ILAW Rocket Launcher
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UK forces use the CS variant of the weapon which is optimised for urban warfare and has less of a back blast. In theory the CS should be firable from within buildings.
So is there documentation on how to adjust zeroing?


I just got through looking at Chinese HAT:
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Velocity 205

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/pf_98.htm
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Muzzle velocity 310 m/s
This should be easy fix by changing scope reticle.

Velocity of 205m/s may have been for balance when it flew forward without affected by gravity, but now it is affected by gravity.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:54 AM   #13
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Default Re: French AT Riflegrenade disporportionate damage

205 m/s might be cause its hard to find proper data on anything chinese. I have no idea if 310 or 205 would be more close to what it really happens. I mean they claim the thing has effective range of 2km.
For zeroing you have to play around with something like this until you get the angles and distances you want.
Then adjust the animations to be at that animation.
Then go in game and test.
Then rage that it is not working cause calculation does not always give correct values. Then try and error until you have it right.


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Old 05-19-2017, 08:54 AM   #14
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The IRL problem with the FAMAS grenade is the recoil, the french have had to make a special way to hold the rifle and even with that it's a nose breaker.


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Old 05-19-2017, 08:58 AM   #15
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Those values are based on AT rate of fire, and not so systematic. We'll probably ask zwilling to rework AT system aswell
Way too soon

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Way too soon
but muh realism


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Old 05-19-2017, 01:36 PM   #17
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The IRL problem with the FAMAS grenade is the recoil, the french have had to make a special way to hold the rifle and even with that it's a nose breaker.
I guess for realism part we should add damage to shooter when firing

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Old 05-19-2017, 07:47 PM   #18
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205 m/s might be cause its hard to find proper data on anything chinese. I have no idea if 310 or 205 would be more close to what it really happens. I mean they claim the thing has effective range of 2km.
For zeroing you have to play around with something like this until you get the angles and distances you want.
Then adjust the animations to be at that animation.
Then go in game and test.
Then rage that it is not working cause calculation does not always give correct values. Then try and error until you have it right.
I'm sure if you fire it at 45 degrees it might reach out to 2km and kill someone!
(HATillery is do-able in-game?)
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:05 PM   #19
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The one in game is AT4-CS.
It's an intentional buff. Non-CS ballistics with the name slapped on, it used to be 220 a long while back.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:23 PM   #20
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It's an intentional buff. Non-CS ballistics with the name slapped on, it used to be 220 a long while back.
A buff no one asked for, because 290 is better than every other LAT that does similar/less damage.
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