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Old 10-22-2017, 09:35 AM   #31
Jack_Howitzer
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Want to make dog fights more fun? Easy as pie, instead of allowing lock on times to be fucking 1 second make it like 5-6 seconds before lock is good and reduce the size of the lock on radius. That will make them last longer and force pilots to use their guns more which is so much more fun to use.
That would make dogfights require more skill, which is not really the trend we have seen in the PR development during last couple of years. The game is constantly being made more and more easy for newcomers to get decent success, and more changes being made to diminish any edge gained from skill and experience.
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Old 10-22-2017, 01:39 PM   #32
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Do you even think before you post trash like that? A lock on duration of 5 seconds would make it impossible to engage helicopters with missiles. Jets also would be almost impossible to be engaged with missiles and in the rare case you would get a solid lock on, the engagement distance would be absurdly close.

Tbh i like the new air to air gameplay meta, it is quick and decisive, no room for errors. The only thing wrong right now is the overpowered ground AA, preflaring needs to be more effective.
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Old 10-22-2017, 02:59 PM   #33
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Yes I have thought it through, and the idea of a longer dog fight sounds great, and forcing the pilot to use guns more than missiles also sounds quite appealing
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:42 PM   #34
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Play some war thunder if you want gunfights, modern jets use the gun against other jets only in rare cases.
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:28 AM   #35
Menuen
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Tbh i like the new air to air gameplay meta, it is quick and decisive, no room for errors.
Yeah find enemy jet shoot 1 rocket or 2 and GG. Quick and decisive, no fun allowed. I dont remember when was the last time that someone writed on chat "good dogfight".
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:56 AM   #36
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@DogACTUAL

This is not true. The USAF had to retrofit their jets (F-4D) with guns because bvr fights didn't go so well due to the poor accuracy of their missiles.

If the situation has really changed today is highly doubtable with all the active and passive protection systems. An exception might be high tech planes vs. low tech planes similar to what we saw in syria with the old su-22 vs. super hornet.

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Old 10-23-2017, 12:31 PM   #37
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All your historical anecdotes about vietnam and the Su-22 are already known to me.

Since there is no actual example of modern state of the art jets fighting against each other, one can only assume.
But missiles have come a long way since vietnam and with the AMRAAM and R-77 most experts agree that air to air gun engagements would be rare in modern air to air combat.

But yes, they would still happen like they do ingame too.
Claiming gun fights would take prevalence over missile use is just nuts though.
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Old 10-23-2017, 02:12 PM   #38
Fuller
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The missile technology has come a long way no doubt about that...
Do you have any sources that support your arguments?

Evidence is obviously hard to find and in most cases classified but according to
this article http://www.ausairpower.net/SP/DT-AAM...March-2009.pdf
"[...] The long term outlook is that the ‘Kill Probability=1’
AAM will remain an illusory goal,[...] ".

This article shows the performance of the AIM-9X missile vs. the mentioned SU-24 M4 (?) possibly with newer russian flare dispensers.
How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X? | Combat Aircraft

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Old 10-23-2017, 03:10 PM   #39
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Yeah find enemy jet shoot 1 rocket or 2 and GG. Quick and decisive, no fun allowed. I dont remember when was the last time that someone writed on chat "good dogfight".
True!

#ReverseAATo1.3.9
#MakeAANonGreatAgain

and dog fights will be fun again...

So sei que nada sei.
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:49 PM   #40
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danesh does all the time :P
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