Training Mode v0.9

[[R-MOD]Jigsaw]

Originally Posted by BabylonCome

I've just about loaded every version of every map to see what spawns in at the start etc and from what I can see there is now only 2 maps which feature the main attack birds (cobra apache etc) and they don't spawn for 20 mins.....

These units are on Silent Eagle, Battle for Qinling, Muttrah City and Kashan Desert meaning that the number of maps featuring attack helicopters has increased from 0.87.

When learning to fly use a local server or CO-OP server, the training mode was removed as it was a haven for people who only wanted to play the mod to piss around doing stupid things with the multitude of assets around. This was correctly deemed to not be in-keeping with the spirit of the overall game and in my opinion the correct decision was taken. If you want to run a training session for new players for your clan/community then use a locked dedicated server or a local server with hamachi, you will achieve the same outcome without the problem of tards or griefers. If you are bothered about getting people trained on attack helos then start Muttrah, have a 20 minute practice warm up in the hueys and then switch to the cobra.

Also fyi when running training sessions in the PRT I have only ever seen a training map used once.

[[R-MOD]BabylonCome]

Cheers Jigsaw for your reply but I beg to differ with your answer.....

Silent Eagle - you have to para in - get to the base and then wait for the assets to spawn - no main attach chopper either..

Kashan - only on 32 man version and spawns after 20 mins

QuinLing - no attack choppers on any version

Muttrah - spawns after 20 mins..


We used the training mode on our private locked server almost everyday, never went on a public one because of the reasons you mentioned and I'm sure there are other clans that did exactly the same. So i think the reason you gave for removing the mode is utter **** as it was a well used and versatile tool for the community to learn the game that we all love...

[Cheditor]

On silent eagle the russians do get a havok

[[R-MOD]BabylonCome]

Ah ok - my apologises.....

I only checked the OpFor side on that one.....

[[R-MOD]Jigsaw]

Originally Posted by BabylonCome

Silent Eagle - you have to para in - get to the base and then wait for the assets to spawn - no main attach chopper either..

Check the Russian side too and on CnC both sides have them

Originally Posted by BabylonCome

QuinLing - no attack choppers on any version

Again, check out CnC, and the Chinese on AAS Alt.

Originally Posted by BabylonCome

We used the training mode on our private locked server almost everyday, never went on a public one because of the reasons you mentioned and I'm sure there are other clans that did exactly the same. So i think the reason you gave for removing the mode is utter **** as it was a well used and versatile tool for the community to learn the game that we all love...

In my view the only way in which it would be viable to reintroduce training mode would be if it was only allowed on locked passworded servers for clans. I do agree that it can be a useful option for clan training, but the problem lies in the ability for open public servers to be filled up with undesirables. This option however would be difficult to police.

Further to this you can actually alter the spawn times and numbers of vehicles etc yourself using the server files, the events team do it often for the community events you just have to make sure that the server you use is passworded

[Skodz]

I also think the training mode was a good thing for PR, sad thing they removed it .

[[FED]Mad]

i run the federation 24/7 kashan coop and chinook training servers. I have trained with squad mates in those servers, and on kashan it didnt take 20 mins for the apaches to respawn IMHO.

Just find a empty server and go do your training thing.

[Alex6714]

Originally Posted by Jigsaw

In my view the only way in which it would be viable to reintroduce training mode would be if it was only allowed on locked passworded servers for clans. I do agree that it can be a useful option for clan training, but the problem lies in the ability for open public servers to be filled up with undesirables. This option however would be difficult to police.

While I can see the point of view here I have to make a few points.

1) Does that not generally keep them off otherwise decent standard servers?
2) If I sat here in a clown suit teamkilling all the SP bots would you ban me from all PR servers because I wasn´t playing in the desirable way, when it doesn´t even affect you?


I thought training could be very useful, in my case especially for modding since I know little about mapping, we can mod the files yes, its not hard, but it shouldn´t be necessary.

Training offered something that could be abused and used properly, and if you wanted you use it properly you just didn´t join the server with 40+ people on it...

Gameplay was crap on there but so what? Better there than normal servers and still have the option for a default training mode.

[Meza82]

agree with op.
training maps like on Kashan were vital for players to learn how to fly and use vehicles because they are very different from bf2.

[[R-MOD]Jigsaw]

Originally Posted by Alex6714

1) Does that not generally keep them off otherwise decent standard servers?
2) If I sat here in a clown suit teamkilling all the SP bots would you ban me from all PR servers because I wasn´t playing in the desirable way, when it doesn´t even affect you?

1. In my opinion it keeps them off PR in general, as normal server typicallys do not tolerate that for long and with no training servers they have nowhere to go, meaning they leave the mod and we're better for it.

2. How you dress when you play is your business Seriously though no I would not ban you unless I happen to be an admin on the co-op server where you are making said action

Originally Posted by Alex6714

Training offered something that could be abused and used properly, and if you wanted you use it properly you just didn´t join the server with 40+ people on it...

Why should the PR team offer something that can be abused so easily?

Originally Posted by Alex6714

Gameplay was crap on there but so what? Better there than normal servers and still have the option for a default training mode.

The reason it was removed was due to the poor standard of gameplay. Again why should the PR team offer a part of their product that does not live up to the quality and standard of the rest of the mod?