SEAL Qualification Training

[blargh]

Remember to be careful with what you read about the "standard issue" being for the military. Especially special warfare groups. There's what the books say and what actually happens.

[hartbilt]

Just to clarify: The SEALs Canditates seen in the SQT vid, are wearing ISSUED Safariland 6004 hip holsters. Does not mean that SEALs don't often equip different variety while on a combat rotation. You'll see that lastest trend among SEALs/SOF was towards the Safariland holster, but there are a fair number of SEALs and other SOF that sport the Blackhawk Serpa. The problem I've always had with the Serpas, was the slop and the rattle with the pistol locked in (my experience with serpa and Sig M226/P226), lack of a back strap, and they weren't molding them to accept mounted Surefire or other gismos. The latter 2 issues have been resolved with the Level 3 Serpa, but I wasn't so blown away by it, that I had to ditch my Safariland and switch to a new Serpa. Each holster has it's benefits and purpose in the field, and choice will usually come down to the missions, and kit is selected accordingly. Which is why I keep both brands in my kit and personal collection, I love them both. Needless to say, the Blackhawk Serpa was a truly ground-breaking invention, inspired and collaborated and built by active/retired SOF.

Now, talking about speed, aside from a competition holster, nothing I've had the pleasure of drawing an auto-pistol from is faster and smoother than the Level 1 Serpa.

The main reason I prefer the SafariLand 6004 over the Serpa Level 3, is thumb placement following the draw. Your thumb comes to rest on the hammer, great position when tactically shooting a Sig. M226/P226 as the single-action trigger is much more stable than the DA-trigger, for that first crucial squeeze. (as the Sig doesn't require the operator to flick a safety). The Serpa Level 3 would be great for a Beretta M9 or 1911 style pistol.

Video From Safariland
Safariland Video | Model 6004

another SafariLand vid about the 6004
Safariland Video | Model 6004_2


various pics of SEAL operators sporting SafariLand 6004.

[[R-DEV]Gaz]

leg holsters are balls for most things, other than urban ops or building clearance. The BH ones we use are anyway, never get it to fit right, ends up dangling round your ankle, and bouncing off your leg.

[Wraith]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Gaz

leg holsters are balls for most things, other than urban ops or building clearance. The BH ones we use are anyway, never get it to fit right, ends up dangling round your ankle, and bouncing off your leg.

Well if you didn't have such tiny little legs Gaz you wouldn't have that problem..


lol, You know we love you any way

FYI, hartbilt, You lose credibility when you post pictures of "SEALS" without the ability to back that up. I would say next time use pictures specifically from DOD websites. Your point is still accurate but with all the flame monkeys around here that I figured I'd give you the warning.

Original source of picture in question.. http://www.eliteukforces.info/images...orce-black.jpg

[hartbilt]

Originally Posted by Wraith

FYI, hartbilt, You lose credibility when you post pictures of "SEALS" without the ability to back that up. I would say next time use pictures specifically from DOD websites. Your point is still accurate but with all the flame monkeys around here that I figured I'd give you the warning.

Original source of picture in question.. http://www.eliteukforces.info/images...orce-black.jpg

Thanks Wraith, your point is received.

The image you questions, tagged SAS Task Force Black.

Because I am lazy right now, "Now reportedly renamed to TF-88 (Task Force Black), this cream of Western Special Operators consists of several elements:

* TF Black - - made up of an SAS sabre squadron, supported by a Company of SFSG (TF Maroon). Some SBS operators are thought to be attached to TF Black.
* TF Blue - US Navy SEALs from DEVGRU (Seal Team 6)
* TF Green - 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - or 'Delta Force'
* TF Orange - signals intelligence gathers from the ISA"
SAS - Task Force Black

[[R-DEV]Gaz]

Originally Posted by Wraith

Well if you didn't have such tiny little legs Gaz you wouldn't have that problem..


lol, You know we love you any way

FYI, hartbilt, You lose credibility when you post pictures of "SEALS" without the ability to back that up. I would say next time use pictures specifically from DOD websites. Your point is still accurate but with all the flame monkeys around here that I figured I'd give you the warning.

Original source of picture in question.. http://www.eliteukforces.info/images...orce-black.jpg

hahahaha. Sod off Good to see you active again mate. PM inbound.

[gazzthompson]

Originally Posted by hartbilt

Thanks Wraith, your point is recieved, although I didn't provide proper source of images (as official combat images SEALs are few and far between) of, I would not claim a pic without personal knowledge of it ( can't elaborate on that).

The image you questions, tagged SAS Task Force Black.

Because I am lazy right now, "Now reportedly renamed to TF-88 (Task Force Black), this cream of Western Special Operators consists of several elements:

* TF Black - - made up of an SAS sabre squadron, supported by a Company of SFSG (TF Maroon). Some SBS operators are thought to be attached to TF Black.
* TF Blue - US Navy SEALs from DEVGRU (Seal Team 6)
* TF Green - 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - or 'Delta Force'
* TF Orange - signals intelligence gathers from the ISA"
SAS - Task Force Black

tho you guys are obviously more experienced to comment on the photo, ill just input that the website in question lists the photo as:

SAS soldiers assigned to Task Force Black, part of a Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force that has been operating in Iraq since the fall of Saddam's regime

SAS - Task Force Black

take it as you will. more photos here if interested:

Index of /stuff/walt/sas/iraq

[hartbilt]

Originally Posted by gazzthompson

tho you guys are obviously more experienced to comment on the photo, ill just input that the website in question lists the photo as:



SAS - Task Force Black

take it as you will. more photos here if interested:

Index of /stuff/walt/sas/iraq

I am confident that the image in question along with a couple others on that website have incorrect descriptions. I don't see any authentication of that image on the site. Considering that TF-Black (SAS sabre unit) and TF-Blue (Navy DEVGRU) operated together in the combined task force, it could be possible the image is of either unit, just based on some kit. I don't follow SAS really at all, perhaps you could provide some credible images of SAS operators wearing 3-Color Desert BDUs or early design DEVGRU battle shirts and Sig M226 w/ "meter" patches.

But as I can't currently provide my source for it either, I will retract my pic description.

[gazzthompson]

tho im merely guessing by some of them wearing brit flags.

[hartbilt]

Originally Posted by gazzthompson

tho im merely guessing by some of them wearing brit flags.

This one was in that album of SAS pics you posted, this operator has an American flag.

you lose credibility when you post pics of alleged "SAS" when you can't source it, Just kidding dude. Cool pics, that I haven't seen before, thanks! I'm Interested now.


Whoever they are, they are pretty important dudes judging by the bling on their helmets, AN/PVS-21 NODs.

Were these images part of a new release in 2005, something to do with 2 SAS caught doing something?