future russian tanks?

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Originally Posted by BloodBane611

Yeah, but a Javelin can whip a tank at significant range. An IFV coupled with infantry can successfully engage and destroy any target they are faced with, and are significantly more mobile than an MBT. Now, tanks have their advantages, but they're not the top of the food chain.

NOTHING is ever on top of the food chain, as shocking as it may sound, there will be a tank one day that can defeat a javelin, then someone will invent a new AT missile that can defeat that tank and so on. too many treat the javelin as the be all end all superweapon when they shouldnt.

people have been signaling the doom of tanks for decades but consistently improving armour technologies have proved them all wrong, there will always be a need for heavy firepower on a highly mobile armoured platform so the status quo isnt going to be changing anytime soon

[[R-DEV]DankE_SPB]

Originally Posted by Nehil

New MBT's are coming. Type 10, Japanese MBT. K2 Black Panther, South Korean. And the MİTÜP Altay from Turkey.
Does anyone know (or think they know) what advantages these new tanks should have over the older tanks? New optics? Better armour?

well, these are evolutions of "classic"scheme, crew members in turret, all of them has good old 120mm gun, turkish tank dont even have autoloader etc.
object 195 supposed to be next-gen thing, which will bring next step in tank industry, we'll see how it turns out

Originally Posted by ma21212

didnt the scrap the Black eagle and now thier working on the T95?

try to read the thread

too many treat the javelin as the be all end all superweapon when they shouldnt.

but we all have seen on youtube that after javelin turret flies off tens of meters away, how it cant be so WTFBBQ

[[R-DEV]Nosferatu]

BMPT is in question since nobody knows what to do with this thing, what tactics to choose for it.

Maybe it could replace BMP-2 + infantry squad n traditional attack scheme: tank platoon with inf squad on BMP-2 or maybe it would be dedicated CS tank, since this role was always after Shilkas and "Feyzabad chariots" (ZU-23-2 mounted on truck).

[Gunners87]

Arguing the usefulness of tank is like stating that the U.S. should build new battleships. Waste of money. The only use is quelling dissent. Much like the U.S. parked the New Jersey in front of Lebanon in order to scare the inhabitants. Not any different than how tanks are rolling through the streets of Baghdad.


But in total war against an equal opponent, tanks are an useless contraption, because much like a battleship, the tank will be taken out (probably by a missile) before it gets into firing distance


Which is why Javelin > Tank. A Javelin infantry squad can camp in a foxhole or hang out in a ditch, fire off a missile and suddenly your $4 million dollar tank is a scrap of metal

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Originally Posted by Gunners87

Which is why Javelin > Tank. A Javelin infantry squad can camp in a foxhole or hang out in a ditch, fire off a missile and suddenly your $4 million dollar tank is a scrap of metal

imagine you missed and now that armoured thing is aiming at you, or tank spotted you before 2km(engament distance for javelin)
or your javelin crew will be wiped out by arty/airstrike/shot from the tank/insert any other weapon and what you gonna do? by your logic you can state that any weapon is useless, because it can be killed with something else

ATGMs are presented for something like 50-60 years already and for some reason all major powers want tanks, deploy tanks, develop new tanks, modernize old tanks, they must be fools for sure

Arguing the usefulness of tank is like stating that the U.S. should build new battleships

for US strong navy is the top priority, as long as they want to be active in foreign politics and conduct wars "behind" oceans like in iraq/a-stan

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Nosferatu

BMPT is in question since nobody knows what to do with this thing, what tactics to choose for it.

another thing is maybe MoD also want BMPT on perspective chassis?
though the whole concept of BMPT is debatable

[[R-CON]Tim270]

Originally Posted by Gunners87

Which is why Javelin > Tank. A Javelin infantry squad can camp in a foxhole or hang out in a ditch, fire off a missile and suddenly your $4 million dollar tank is a scrap of metal

You cannot simply say a javelin is 'better' than a tank. A Javelin is a hard counter, tank is essentially a multi-role platform, it does not do all the things that a tank can do better.

Who knows, in 20 years Javelin tech might be outdated by tank protection systems.

[rampo]

Originally Posted by Tim270

You cannot simply say a javelin is 'better' than a tank. A Javelin is a hard counter, tank is essentially a multi-role platform, it does not do all the things that a tank can do better.

Who knows, in 20 years Javelin tech might be outdated by tank protection systems.

I'd say 10 years at the most

[gazzthompson]

and then new AT weapons will be developed to counter the counters. welcome to the history of warfare guys.

[[R-DEV]77SiCaRiO77]

ARENA , IRON FIST and SHtora will take care of those javalines

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Originally Posted by Gunners87

Which is why Javelin > Tank. A Javelin infantry squad can camp in a foxhole or hang out in a ditch, fire off a missile and suddenly your $4 million dollar tank is a scrap of metal

jeez, i thought i silenced this argument on the top of this page, STOP TREATING THE JAVELIN AS THE SUPERWEAPON ITS NOT, its simply another step in the everlasting race between sword and shield and hardly a game changer in the ultimate scheme of things. armies need mobile fire support the likes APCs can never provide, they have a place today and probably for some time in the future

in fact, complacency like yours is very dangerous as absolute faith in a single weapon will lead to arrogance when confronted by potential advances of your adversaries. a bit like when designers thought it would be a good idea not to put a gun on the f4 phantom.